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    By: Byron York
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    04/30/09 10:12 AM


    A few commentators on the left are calling me a racist for my post, "The black-white divide in Obama's popularity." I suppose if you haven't been called a racist by the usual suspects on the left, you haven't been writing for very long. But to address their complaint:

    The accusations of racism seem to come from a single sentence in the piece: "But if a new survey by the New York Times is accurate, the president and some of his policies are significantly less popular with white Americans than with black Americans, and his sky-high ratings among African-Americans make some of his positions appear a bit more popular overall than they actually are." I wrote my post because of the striking numbers in the New York Times poll. Those numbers raise a question: What if a president were wildly popular with one group, and only middlingly popular with another group and yet was often portrayed as being hugely popular with the whole group? It seems worthwhile to point that out that there are differences within the group -- something that is done all the time with political polls. The president's job approval ratings are what they are -- the Times had him at 69 percent approval -- but the numbers inside the numbers are striking.

    For example, according to the Times, 34 percent of white Americans believe the country is on the right track, while 70 percent of black Americans believe the country is on the right track. Fifty-five percent of white Americans approve of President Obama's handling of the economy, while 91 percent of black Americans do. And black Americans, who as a group have a higher unemployment rate than white Americans, have a more positive view of the economy than whites: 27 percent of blacks say the economy is "very good" or "fairly good," while just 10 percent of whites call the economy "fairly good" (and none say it is "very good").

    Perhaps some people find those numbers entirely uninteresting, but I think it is entirely reasonable to point them out. It is also entirely reasonable to point out that a poll result can be shaped by an extremely high number in one component of the poll result. It's the old joke: Six people are in a bar. They're all middle class; their average net worth is about $100,000. Bill Gates walks in. Seven people are in a bar; their average net worth is in the billions. A wealthy group, right? Internal numbers are revealing.

    So I wrote that citing Obama's "sky-high ratings among African-Americans make some of his positions appear a bit more popular overall than they actually are." I thought the word "overall" conveyed the idea that there was a difference between the total job-approval number and the complexities of opinion of Obama on various issues. Maybe "across-the-board" would have been better than "overall," but I doubt that would have kept a left-wing activist like Matthew Yglesias, or Andrew Sullivan, who has himself been accused of racism and, quite recently, anti-Semitism, from branding me a racist. The numbers inside the Times poll are newsworthy, if the critics would take the time to read and analyze them.
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    Blacks would vote for anyone at all as long as they are black or just not white.
    They are so easily manipulated, just look what fortunes Sharpton and Jackson
    have made off keeping racism going.

    Im white but I would have loved nothing better than to see Alan Keyes be
    our president. So the "r" word (this is so stupid) cant be laid at my doorstep.

    They have their "black prez" who is barely sort of black but in reality is just
    not white. Whatever.....doesnt take much apparently. Their racism is showing.
    "Please dont lie, cheat or steal...the government doesnt
    like competition".

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    As a group the blacks are the most racist. Everything is connected to their color.

    Try to get that same group of 91% together and ask them what color the sky is. I bet they can't agree on anything else other than the fact that they support this half-white president.

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    Yep, thats the truth.
    "Please dont lie, cheat or steal...the government doesnt
    like competition".

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    What are reparations? Making me pay
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    And they already had their "first black president".....it was Klinton.
    "Please dont lie, cheat or steal...the government doesnt
    like competition".

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    What are reparations? Making me pay
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    I wonder if the lower numbers among white Americans have anything to do with the reverse. Maybe I am wrong, but Im pretty sure that there are many white Americans who will not give him a chance because of his race as well.
    It goes both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebulon0351
    I wonder if the lower numbers among white Americans have anything to do with the reverse. Maybe I am wrong, but Im pretty sure that there are many white Americans who will not give him a chance because of his race as well.
    It goes both ways.
    I agree that there is probably a large number of Americans that cannot get past the fact that he is black. However, I believe it is FAR out weighed by the black voters that voted and support him simply because he is black and by the liberal white crowd that wanted to prove they are not racist.

    I honestly feel that the election of Obama while temporarily gives the impression that racism in America is dead; will do more to set back race relations in years to come. I honestly feel that he is almost the WORST candidate that could have been elected. He is so far over his head that by the time he is finished screwing this country up, America will not vote for ANY African American candidate for a long time to come. And that would be a shame. I will vote for ANYONE that I feel is capable of leading this country to prosperity. And I am sure that a majority of Americans agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebulon0351
    I wonder if the lower numbers among white Americans have anything to do with the reverse. Maybe I am wrong, but Im pretty sure that there are many white Americans who will not give him a chance because of his race as well.
    It goes both ways.
    I would argue that this is not likely the case. I think the low numbers among white people could logically be explained by his performance in office thus far; Obama is not doing a good job and hence his low numbers are not only qualified, but expected.

    Now, had Obama been doing a great job, and his numbers amongst white people were low, then you may have a point. Clearly, however that is not the case. So, it does not go "both ways" as you would like us to believe.
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    -President Abraham Lincoln
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    By "black", people seem to be including anyone who is "non-white" which includes Hispanics. The percentage of the old WASP crowd is rapidly decreasing as the population demographics change. Of course, immigrants from Italy used to be also denigrated because of their natural suntans (i.e. not lily white). Perpetuated prejudice will ensure that Republicans will remain pure - and out of office except in the most gerrymandered districts (which will change after the next census and democratic legislatures redraw the boundaries).

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    Quote Originally Posted by WmbgJunkie
    By "black", people seem to be including anyone who is "non-white" which includes Hispanics. The percentage of the old WASP crowd is rapidly decreasing as the population demographics change. Of course, immigrants from Italy used to be also denigrated because of their natural suntans (i.e. not lily white). Perpetuated prejudice will ensure that Republicans will remain pure - and out of office except in the most gerrymandered districts (which will change after the next census and democratic legislatures redraw the boundaries).
    It's not the "whites" who are most prejudiced -- which is the point of this article.
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