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    The Specter of Political Change

    For those unaffected by swine flu and the Washington Capitals first-round triumph in the Stanley Cup playoffs, there's only one story in Washington today: Sen. Arlen Specter's decision to switch to the Democratic Party and possibly give the Democrats a filibuster proof majority.

    There are zillions of stories and analyses and well over 1,000 comments on the subject. We're concentrating on those who responded to E. J. Dionne's column, in which he says Specter has come full circle, and Dan Balz's analysis, where he asks, "How much can the Republicans take."

    Not surprisingly a vast majority of our Readers Who Comment seem to be joyful Democrats. But there are many who note that Specter is not exactly a reliable vote for either party, and who see a certain cynicism in his switch, since it was been widely reported that he would have difficulty winning the Republican primary in Pennsylvania in 2010.

    First to comments on the Dionne column:

    We'll start with DixieWrecked, who wrote, "You keeping pushing them out, and we'll keep taking them in. Ideological purity only works when the majority agree with the ideology. God is dead, gays don't matter, and even liberals own rifles and pistols. The GOP ran out of ideas and now they are running ever lower on Senators and Representatives. What good has your ideological purity done for you GOP?"

    But Realist20 said that, "Specter is anything but moderate as his votes over the last few years have sided with the Dems - He's 79 years old, about to lose his seat in the Senate and ran to the Dems... This is another gift for the GOP as they went from losing a senate seat in November to gaining one with Specter's move."

    gitarre wrote that [Senate Majority Leader] "Harry Reid is really going to have his little hands full with yet another caterwauling primadonna and unreliable gasbag in his tent. I doubt it will be long before buyer's remorse sets in."

    kcbob said, "Arlen Specter chose country over party in voting for the stimulus bill. It was critical to the nation's economic health. But for the GOP it was simply proof he doesn't hate our government enough. You can't run government and hate it at the same time... More sadly still, it means underneath all the rhetoric, they hate America."

    FoolontheHill1 asked, "Assuming that the GOP continues to curl itself into 19th century Dixieland, will the Democrats continue to expand rightwards following the heels of the retreating Republicans, or will there be open space for a center-right third party?"

    caroll1 wrote, "I'm not sure what Democrats will get out of this, since Specter is loudly proclaiming that his decision switch parties doesn't mean he'll vote Democratic (his upcoming vote will go against the unions). I'd rather see a 'real' Democrat get his seat in 2010. (Specter's voting record reflects a Republican bias)."

    JPRS said, "...Hard to see how PA couldn't benefit from some new blood. Hopefully [Specter] faces a serious challenge from the left as he was on his right flank. At the very least it will keep him somewhat honest over the next year. After that, odds are it will be the same old Specter."

    ualec1 wrote, "I think Barry Goldwater would have left GOP too, he was not the social conservative of the current Bible Thumping Government in Every Bedroom ilk."

    yarbrougharts said, "Spector, as he said himself, looked at his poll numbers and knew his only shot at retaining his seat was to change parties. Most democrats well welcome him, but he probably still be a spur to progressives..."

    roger47 wrote, "He did not leave the party. It left him."

    dmyers412 said, "Sometimes I scratch my head about why politicians do what they do. This is one of those times....what is the payoff for Specter? I'm for term limits instead of lengthy membership in the world's greatest club."

    CopyKinetics wrote, "Fine. Better to have him than not. But, despite what delusional Republicans are saying, the man is hardly a liberal. In fact, he's hardly a moderate. He is rather a decidely mixed bag... Pennsylvania primary voters should go ahead and replace him in 2010 with a real Democrat and put an end to Specter's self-serving chicanery."

    All comments on the Dionne column are here.

    Now to comments on the Balz analysis:

    angryinmaine said, "I'm delighted to hear Rush Limbaugh invite moderate republicans to leave the party...how about it Collins and Snowe? come-on over - we welcome you. How thin can the ranks for the party of "no" get. I'd be interested in witnessing the answer."

    ronjaboy wrote, "The Dems have copped all the feel-good, the government'll give it to you but get somebody else to pay, whatever feels good do it positions so what can the GOP do? We'll just have to wait for the full economic cost of defeating global warming and the rampant inflation that will come from The Policies of The One to take hold to mount a comeback."

    gasmonkey said, "...Already Specter is receiving the "GOP treatment." Character assassination, name-calling, shouts of "good riddance." The entire focus of the present GOP is "party purity." They'd rather be a cult of "Tokyo Rush" than be a viable political party."

    marctrain1 wrote, "I think it a mistake to want to see the Republican party "stamped" out. Its good to have a mix of ideas on Capitol. I have greater admiration for those who don't vote the straight party line...Personally I hope with it's current popularity my own party, the Democratics don't shoot themselves in the foot as we have often done."

    DwightCollins said, "this article makes no sense, Republicans have lost some elections, but they are still here and they will rebound... if I were you I would shift to the dems who now have no one to put the blame on when their policies go south..."
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    He should retire,he doesn't know who he is,or what he stands for.

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    It can be seen many ways.

    To bad we don't have other parties in the running he could have joined one of them for a while.........
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    Well, it looks like Specter's body is now among all the others "thrown under the bus":

    Sen. Specter Demoted To Junior Democrat - Angers Dems Over Al Franken Comments
    by Jack Ryan

    Sen. Arlen Specter is feeling the cold wind of his new party. According to reports, despite promises Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid made to Specter about keeping his seniority, that did not happen except on one issue. According to reports, Specter has lost his seniority line in all his committees but the Chamber's Specail Comittee on Aging.

    Now the Specter's rank has been torn apart on the other five comittees he served, he is now a junior democrat. According to Rollcall, "As a result, Specter — who as a Republican was ranking member on the Judiciary Committee and a senior member of the Appropriations Committee, as well as ranking member of the panel's Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education — will now rank behind all the other Democrats, at least until the end of this Congress."

    Specter's recent comments to the New York Times Magazine has not helped his fellowship with democrats. Specter indicated he would support former Sen. Norm Coleman in a re-election bid against Al Franken. This has angered many democrats. Specter must be feeling a chilly wind where he sits now from both parties.

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    Some one cry me a river...............

    Welcome back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I don't think many are gonna feel his pain..........
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    Arlen Specters' political career is done as of 2010

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22276.html

    MoveOn moves against Specter

    One of the nation’s largest liberal advocacy organizations, MoveOn.org , is resisting efforts to clear the Democratic primary field for Republican-turned-Democratic Sen. Arlen Specter.

    The political arm of MoveOn flexed its muscle Friday by releasing the results of an online poll that showed the vast majority of the group’s roughly 170,000 members in Pennsylvania — 85 percent — would consider supporting a Democratic challenger against Specter.

    The group expressed concern over Specter’s vote against President Obama’s $3.4 billion budget just one day after defecting to the Democratic Party. MoveOn also cited comments Specter made in an appearance on “Meet the Press” last weekend suggesting he would oppose a public health insurance option that some Democrats would like to see included in any health care reform proposal........

    ........With its announcement Friday, MoveOn added its voice to a chorus of other liberal groups that have been calling for a competitive Democratic Senate primary in Pennsylvania, including Democracy for America and the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, which have teamed up for a separate, five-day online survey designed to gauge support for a “Draft Sestak” movement. That poll remains open until Monday and already shows a high level of support for a Sestak challenge
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenC
    Arlen Specters' political career is done as of 2010

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22276.html

    MoveOn moves against Specter

    One of the nation’s largest liberal advocacy organizations, MoveOn.org , is resisting efforts to clear the Democratic primary field for Republican-turned-Democratic Sen. Arlen Specter.

    The political arm of MoveOn flexed its muscle Friday by releasing the results of an online poll that showed the vast majority of the group’s roughly 170,000 members in Pennsylvania — 85 percent — would consider supporting a Democratic challenger against Specter.

    The group expressed concern over Specter’s vote against President Obama’s $3.4 billion budget just one day after defecting to the Democratic Party. MoveOn also cited comments Specter made in an appearance on “Meet the Press” last weekend suggesting he would oppose a public health insurance option that some Democrats would like to see included in any health care reform proposal........

    ........With its announcement Friday, MoveOn added its voice to a chorus of other liberal groups that have been calling for a competitive Democratic Senate primary in Pennsylvania, including Democracy for America and the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, which have teamed up for a separate, five-day online survey designed to gauge support for a “Draft Sestak” movement. That poll remains open until Monday and already shows a high level of support for a Sestak challenge
    lol....... thnx

    So we will see if all that money/influence can over come all that........

    specter vs move on.

    Newt vs the entertainer.............

    could be an interesting summer........
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    Specter committed political suicide.

    He threw himself under the bus and saved everybody the trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rtazmann
    He should retire,he doesn't know who he is,or what he stands for.
    Well, he may just get retired by his constituency next election. He brings
    to mind the saying "no fool like an old fool". He really is a pathetic bad joke.
    Somebody get him on some Aricept and point him toward home.
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    It was such a stupid move on his part to begin with. He could never have been more powerful than he was as a repub because he fell in line with the dems.

    A very stupid move

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