Pakistani president tells foreign troops to keep out

[BlackAsCoal]

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistan will not allow foreign powers to violate the country's sovereignty to pursue terrorists, the country's new president, Asif Ali Zardari, said Saturday.

"We will not tolerate the violation of our sovereignty and territorial integrity by any power in the name of combating terrorism," he said in his first speech to Parliament since taking the presidential oath this month.

The president's comments echo those of Gen. Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's military chief, who said recently that the country would not allow foreign forces to conduct operations inside Pakistan.

Those comments came after the United States launched a military ground operation in South Waziristan, a region near the Afghan border that is home to Islamic extremists.

The United States maintains that Taliban and al Qaeda forces operate with relative impunity in tribal areas along Pakistan's border with Afghanistan. It says extremists use those areas as a staging ground to attack U.S. forces and their allies inside Afghanistan.

The U.S. military sent ground forces into South Waziristan this month without Islamabad's permission. Several months ago, President Bush authorized U.S. special forces to carry out ground assaults inside Pakistan without seeking Islamabad's permission, according to media reports.

In addition, missiles fired from unmanned aircraft have targeted members of al Qaeda and suspected Taliban militants inside Pakistan several times this year. The United States is the only nation with forces in the region that is known to be able to launch missiles from the small, quiet and deadly drones.

After news of the U.S. military operation in South Waziristan, Kayani said Pakistan's "territorial integrity ... will be defended at all cost and no external force is allowed to conduct operations ... inside Pakistan."

more at link --
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapc...nty/index.html

Let's just call it Iraqistan .. and Obama is all for making things much worse.

[BlackAsCoal]

Tough talk on Pakistan from Obama

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama said on Wednesday the United States must be willing to strike al Qaeda targets inside Pakistan, adopting a tough tone after a chief rival accused him of naivete in foreign policy.

Obama's stance comes amid debate in Washington over what to do about a resurgent al Qaeda and Taliban in areas of northwest Pakistan that President Pervez Musharraf has been unable to control, and concerns that new recruits are being trained there for a September 11-style attack against the United States.

Obama said if elected in November 2008 he would be willing to attack inside Pakistan with or without approval from the Pakistani government, a move that would likely cause anxiety in the already troubled region.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...32206420070801

Obamaites???

[SeedyROM]

So Obama is just like George W. Bush, attack with or without UN sanctions.

Isn't he so predictable, Obama the Warmongering 2 faced phoney. Obama is in bed with neocons too, opps actually Obama is NeoLiberal which is the exactly equal to neocons, both have similar philosphies.

Obama isn't talking so tuff these days, theman wants his flock to covet his words, so tough talking is out when speaking to the masses. If elected the world will see thru his neoliberal two face.

Pakistan is going to destablize and become the hotbed for more terrorist attacks and a bigger recruiting center for more nutjob extremists. These people make it impossible for the normal muslims to live in a free, safe and democratic way of life. 5 years ago this country was making progress.

[BlackAsCoal]

So Obama is just like George W. Bush, attack with or without UN sanctions.

Isn't he so predictable, Obama the Warmongering 2 faced phoney. Obama is in bed with neocons too, opps actually Obama is NeoLiberal which is the exactly equal to neocons, both have similar philosphies.

Obama isn't talking so tuff these days, theman wants his flock to covet his words, so tough talking is out when speaking to the masses. If elected the world will see thru his neoliberal two face.

Pakistan is going to destablize and become the hotbed for more terrorist attacks and a bigger recruiting center for more nutjob extremists. These people make it impossible for the normal muslims to live in a free, safe and democratic way of life. 5 years ago this country was making progress.

It appears that we may already be at war with Pakistan .. make that Iraqistan.

And NO .. Obambi isn't a damn bit different .. in fact, he may be more dangerous than McCain.

[SeedyROM]

It appears that we may already be at war with Pakistan .. make that Iraqistan.

And NO .. Obambi isn't a damn bit different .. in fact, he may be more dangerous than McCain.

Agreed Obama is no Peace President, in fact he is the same as McCain.

Obama talked about trouble in Pakistan last fall long before the Pentagon did and the country destabilized. Some people criticized Obama over the 2007 Pakistan remarks. The fool sounded just like Bush with I'll go in with or without Pakistan's approval. His mouth gave the terrorists a cause to become more violent.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/...tan/index.html

At a debate in front of thousands of labor union activists Tuesday, Sen. Barack Obama's Democratic presidential rivals blasted him for his remarks about Pakistan.

Last Wednesday, the Illinois senator said that if it were necessary to root out terrorists, he would send U.S. forces into Pakistan without the country's approval.

"You can think big, but remember, you shouldn't always say everything you think if you're running for president, because it has consequences around the world," Sen. Hillary Clinton said during a 90-minute Democratic presidential forum in Chicago sponsored by the AFL-CIO.

Chicago is Obama's hometown, and Clinton's statement drew boos. The New York senator responded, "We don't need that right now."

Despite the frosty reception, Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd joined Clinton in criticizing Obama. He said Obama's stance could undermine Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, the country's military ruler, who has been a U.S. ally in the fight against al Qaeda.

"While General Musharraf is no Thomas Jefferson, he may be the only thing that stands between us and having an Islamic fundamentalist state in that country," Dodd said.

"So while I would like to see him change, the reality is, if we lose him, then what we face is an alternative that could be a lot worse for our country."

[BlackAsCoal]

Agreed Obama is no Peace President, in fact he is the same as McCain.

Obama talked about trouble in Pakistan last fall long before the Pentagon did and the country destabilized. Some people criticized Obama over the 2007 Pakistan remarks. The fool sounded just like Bush with I'll go in with or without Pakistan's approval. His mouth gave the terrorists a cause to become more violent.

Obambi is more dangerous because McCain would have to deal with a decidely democratic House and Senate to get his wars approved, whereas, Obambi would get the rubber-stamp.

Obambi is also more aggressive on Afghanistan than is McCain.

We are not in Afghanistan, nor did we go to Iraq to chase "terrorists" .. we are there as pirates .. and Obami is just as big a pirate and believer of American empire as is McCain.

[SeniorChief]

So Obama is just like George W. Bush, attack with or without UN sanctions.

Like Clinton?

[SeedyROM]

Like Clinton?

Yup exactly, Clinton wanted to take a hostage and torture the man and ended up attacking the country he invaded. Clinton also launched missles without permission. And these people complain when Bush attacks terrorist cell sites.

[BlackAsCoal]

Yup exactly, Clinton wanted to take a hostage and torture the man and ended up attacking the country he invaded. Clinton also launched missles without permission. And these people complain when Bush attacks terrorist cell sites.

Yet republicans complained when Clinton went after so-called "terrorists"/ghosts. They said he was "wagging the dog."

The truth is that both parties do the bidding of their plutocratic masters and the US government AND the US military are now merely extensions of American business.

We are pirates plain and simple and we only chase ghosts/terrorists where oil and pipelines are involved.

BOTH political parties .. the American people are just the dummies/batteries that make the engine work.

[SeedyROM]

Yet republicans complained when Clinton went after so-called "terrorists"/ghosts. They said he was "wagging the dog."

The truth is that both parties do the bidding of their plutocratic masters and the US government AND the US military are now merely extensions of American business.

We are pirates plain and simple and we only chase ghosts/terrorists where oil and pipelines are involved.

BOTH political parties .. the American people are just the dummies/batteries that make the engine work.

Its far more than oil, humans have died at the hands of tyranny. If we do nothing more will die. We have become slaves to foreign powers though.