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    Quote Originally Posted by SirMoby
    Income tax, social security tax, capital gains tax these are all the government imposing their wishes on the people against their will.

    By these standards all governments are like the Third Reich. I think to make such a link you need to find similarities that were unique with the Reich and the health care plan.

    Well, EVERY government taxes people, so that is a bit extreme.

    Of course, taxing productivity is counterproductive. That's the why the Fair Tax makes so much sense. It taxes consumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrisW
    Well, EVERY government taxes people, so that is a bit extreme.

    Of course, taxing productivity is counterproductive. That's the why the Fair Tax makes so much sense. It taxes consumption.

    The Fair Tax would encourage middle class citizens to save, the politcians would never allow that. Middle class tax dollars must be used to buy votes for the old and poor while being given over to rich people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyMod at scam.com
    Oh change the country and a few names and I think there is adequate similarities. At least if you are talking about a "New World Order" which both Bushes like to refer to.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany


    Nazi Germany refers to Germany from the start of Adolf Hitler's government in 1933 to the beginning of denazification in 1945. In this period, the country was governed by the National Socialist German Workers Party, or "Nazi Party" (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei), led by Adolf Hitler as chancellor in 1933, and, from 1934, as Führer (Leader).[3] In Germany, the common term is the Third Reich (Drittes Reich). Nazi Germany is perceived as a depreciative expression to denominate this period, which is officially the German Reich ("Deutsches Reich"), and later the "Great German Reich" (Großdeutsches Reich).

    The policies pursued during this period were based on the concept of Lebensraum, among them "Aryan" racial purity, anti-Semitism, revenge for Germany's territorial losses at the Treaty of Versailles and the perceived loss of pride because of it, and anti-communism directed at the Soviet Union (these were among the leading causes of the Second World War); also the Nazi regime's systematic mass murder of Jews, political opponents, and other minorities like homosexuals and gypsies in a genocide known as the Holocaust or Shoah.

    Under the Nazi regime, Germany became the dominant nation state in Europe by the early 1940s from a military and territorial standpoint. After the annexation of Austria in 1938, Nazi Germany became the first united German state since the Holy Roman Empire to include Austria within its boundaries. This combination ended in 1945 with the Nazi regime's defeat, together with the complete dissolution of Prussia as a regional component of Germany.

    By the end of the war, Germany's major infrastructure was destroyed — and many of its major cities were in ruin as the result of Allied bombings and intense urban warfare (especially in Berlin and Dresden in 1945).

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    What does this have to do with Universal Health Care?
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    $20,000,000 voter fraud that you will never hear about on Fox News.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirMoby
    What does this have to do with Universal Health Care?

    Nothing, as long as they don't "force" you to have it.



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    It just doesn't sound like universal health care yet - it sounds like mandated private insurance.

    It sounds like something to keep the private insurers in the fat money, while doing nothing real about the health care crisis.

    What's going to stop the private isurers from denying every claim filed by a poor person - is the poor person going to be able to hire a lowyer and fight for his rights? Or is the poor person forced to pay for insurance that always denies his coverage when he needs it?

    I don't see how this is anything BUT a way to keep insurance companies the big beneficiaries of health money, and running health care as a private cash cow.

    And until we get some actual numbers, that's all we can know about it, that it's a way to keep insurance company money flowing into the politicians pockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill
    It just doesn't sound like universal health care yet - it sounds like mandated private insurance.

    It sounds like something to keep the private insurers in the fat money, while doing nothing real about the health care crisis.

    What's going to stop the private isurers from denying every claim filed by a poor person - is the poor person going to be able to hire a lowyer and fight for his rights? Or is the poor person forced to pay for insurance that always denies his coverage when he needs it?

    I don't see how this is anything BUT a way to keep insurance companies the big beneficiaries of health money, and running health care as a private cash cow.

    And until we get some actual numbers, that's all we can know about it, that it's a way to keep insurance company money flowing into the politicians pockets.

    Politicians taking our tax dollars and giving them to big corporations while telling us they are doing us a favor??? Surely you jest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyMod at scam.com
    Nothing, as long as they don't "force" you to have it.


    I think you're in the wrong thread. I'm sure HD is around here somewhere?
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    Historical Tax Chart

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    What is the other approach called? The one payer system?

    Where the government buys insurance policies based on the largest possible groups - the citizens - and thereby gets the best possible insurance deal for everyone? That could be worth paying for with a health tax, and if it was affordable, who wouldn't want it?

    Or a self insurance system, where the government does what the insurance compnaies would do - invest the insurance payments, and use the pool of money to pay claims as they come in.

    You'd have to make it law that the money can't be stolen, like the social security money is, to pay for other purposes.

    Hell, what about creating a universal standard for medical savings accounts that convert to retirement savings accounts if the money isn't used for medical expenses if the savings account rises above a set level.

    Let the banks and the brokers profit from the medical savings accounts, but create a "catastrophic minimum insurance" that makes medical savings accounts practical for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill
    What is the other approach called? The one payer system?

    Where the government buys insurance policies based on the largest possible groups - the citizens - and thereby gets the best possible insurance deal for everyone? That could be worth paying for with a health tax, and if it was affordable, who wouldn't want it?

    Or a self insurance system, where the government does what the insurance compnaies would do - invest the insurance payments, and use the pool of money to pay claims as they come in.

    You'd have to make it law that the money can't be stolen, like the social security money is, to pay for other purposes.

    Hell, what about creating a universal standard for medical savings accounts that convert to retirement savings accounts if the money isn't used for medical expenses if the savings account rises above a set level.

    Let the banks and the brokers profit from the medical savings accounts, but create a "catastrophic minimum insurance" that makes medical savings accounts practical for everyone.
    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!! LMAO @ trusting politcians to make a law that says they couldn't raid the funds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirMoby
    I think you're in the wrong thread. I'm sure HD is around here somewhere?
    What is your infatuation with HD? Don't you think you should seek help for it?


    Grow up Moby. I already told you he's on my ignore list.
    http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread....7420#post37420


    If you want to go play with the moron be my guest.



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