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    Give Israel whatever she needs to be protected.
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    That is kind of how things work . . . When you want something, you have to pay for it.

    Which includes technology.

    Even though the Israelis are willing to develop the technology here, someone has to pay for it.

    In this case: If the US does not want the technology, I am sure that the Israelis would not have any trouble finding someone else who does want it bad enough to pay for its development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Environment Man
    Give Israel whatever she needs to be protected.
    You give her your groundhog ranch on the island, your DC condo & your house...........

    I want my tax dollars to stay in this country to benefit Americans-PERIOD!!!!!!

    If they want it, let them buy it.............
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotair
    That is kind of how things work . . . When you want something, you have to pay for it.

    Which includes technology.

    Even though the Israelis are willing to develop the technology here, someone has to pay for it.

    In this case: If the US does not want the technology, I am sure that the Israelis would not have any trouble finding someone else who does want it bad enough to pay for its development.
    That's a bunch of crap.
    If that's the case we should stop sending Israel military aid to the tune of 8.5 MILLION A DAY.

    http://ifamericansknew.org/stats/usaid.html

    The source for US military aid to Israel during Fiscal Year 2011 is the Congressional Research Service’s “U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel,” written by Jeremy M. Sharp, Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs, updated September 16, 2010. According to this report, the Obama Administration requested $3 billion in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) for Israel for the fiscal year 2011.

    Over the last 20 years, the U.S. has been slowly phasing out economic aid to Israel and gradually replacing it with increased military aid. Beginning in 2007, the U.S. has increased military aid by $150 million each year. By FY2012, we will be sending Israel $3.09 billion a year (or an average of $8.5 million a day) and will continue to provide military aid at that level through 2018. U.S. tax dollars are subsidizing one of the most powerful foreign militaries. According to the CRS report, “[current U.S. military aid] grants to Israel represent 18.2% of the overall Israeli defense budget.”

    Contrary to ordinary U.S. policy, Israel has been and continues to be allowed to use approximately 25% of this military aid to purchase equipment from Israeli manufacturers. According to CRS, “no other recipient of U.S. military assistance has been granted this benefit.” Thanks in part to this indirect U.S. subsidy, Israel’s arms industry has become one of the strongest in the world. “Between 2001 an 2008, it was the 7th largest arms supplier to the world with sales worth a total of 9.9 billion.”

    In addition to military aid, the United States continues to provide Israel with additional aid and benefits. The numbers are not yet available for FY2009, but are likely to be significant.

    By all accounts the United States has given more money to Israel than to any other country. The Congressional Research Service’s conservative estimate of total cumulative US aid to Israel (not adjusted for inflation) from 1949 through 2010 is $109.001 billion.

    A November 2008 Washington Report article “A Conservative Estimate of Total Direct U.S. Aid to Israel: $114 Billion,” by Shirl McArthur, puts the cumulative total even higher.

    According to McArthur, “[T]he indirect or consequential costs to the American taxpayer as a result of Washington’s blind support for Israel exceed by many times the amount of direct U.S. aid to Israel. Some of these ‘indirect or consequential’ costs would include the costs to U.S. manufacturers of the Arab boycott, the costs to U.S. companies and consumers of the Arab oil embargo and consequent soaring oil prices as a result of U.S. support for Israel in the 1973 war, and the costs of U.S. unilateral economic sanctions on Iran, Iraq, Libya and Syria. (For a discussion of these larger costs, see ‘The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion,’ by the late Thomas R. Stauffer, June 2003 Washington Report, p. 20.)”

    ** The source for US aid to the Palestinians during Fiscal Year 2009 is the Congressional Research Service's Report “U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians”, written by Jim Zanotti, Analyst in Middle Eastern Affairs, updated August 12, 2010. According to the report the U.S. has never provided Palestinians with military aid (although we have provided Palestinians with aid for policing their own people as well as with humanitarian and development assistance).

    The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) has provided the Palestinian people with some indirect economic assistance through funds distributed to U.S.-based NGOs operating in the West Bank and Gaza. According to the CRS report, "Funds are allocated in this program for projects in sectors such as humanitarian assistance, economic development, democratic reform, improving water access and other infrastructure, health care, education, and vocational training." The program is subject to a vetting process and to yearly audits...

    In addition, some funding has occasionally been provided directly to the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority (PA) in an attempt to strengthen it against competing political parties (particularly Hamas) and for use in policing the Palestinian people. Such funds are usually only authorized once Congress has received proof that they will be used for "non-lethal assistance."

    The United States also provides funding to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), "which provides food, shelter, medical care, and education for many of the original refugees from the 1947-1949 Arab-Israeli war and their families—now comprising approximately 4.8 million Palestinians in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, the West Bank, and Gaza." (Learn more about Palestinian refugees.)

    $400.4 million have been appropriated for economic aid to the Palestinians and $100 million for support of PA police training, etc. for FY2010. The U.S. also provided just over $61.5 million (as of February 13, 2009) in emergency humanitarian aid through USAID, UNRWA, and the International Committee of the Red Cross following Israel's assault on Gaza.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Cosby
    You give her your groundhog ranch on the island, your DC condo & your house...........

    I want my tax dollars to stay in this country to benefit Americans-PERIOD!!!!!!

    If they want it, let them buy it.............
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    In order for the military industrial complex and shareholders to do well war and destruction must be promoted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by merrill
    In order for the military industrial complex and shareholders to do well war and destruction must be promoted!
    Sadly that is a very valid point.......... It is a symbiotic dysfunctional relationship....

    While the guVment in Israel may get what they want, it is that old watch out what you ask for kinda deals..........

    If shit hits the fan, they are on the front lines, not us..........

    The USA has a way of losing track of friends, old & dear-I don't see this in the best interest of the ppl in Israel in the long run either......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darmosiel
    That's a bunch of crap.
    If that's the case we should stop sending Israel military aid to the tune of 8.5 MILLION A DAY.

    http://ifamericansknew.org/stats/usaid.html

    The source for US military aid to Israel during Fiscal Year 2011 is the Congressional Research Service’s “U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel,” written by Jeremy M. Sharp, Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs, updated September 16, 2010. According to this report, the Obama Administration requested $3 billion in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) for Israel for the fiscal year 2011.

    Over the last 20 years, the U.S. has been slowly phasing out economic aid to Israel and gradually replacing it with increased military aid. Beginning in 2007, the U.S. has increased military aid by $150 million each year. By FY2012, we will be sending Israel $3.09 billion a year (or an average of $8.5 million a day) and will continue to provide military aid at that level through 2018. U.S. tax dollars are subsidizing one of the most powerful foreign militaries. According to the CRS report, “[current U.S. military aid] grants to Israel represent 18.2% of the overall Israeli defense budget.”

    Contrary to ordinary U.S. policy, Israel has been and continues to be allowed to use approximately 25% of this military aid to purchase equipment from Israeli manufacturers. According to CRS, “no other recipient of U.S. military assistance has been granted this benefit.” Thanks in part to this indirect U.S. subsidy, Israel’s arms industry has become one of the strongest in the world. “Between 2001 an 2008, it was the 7th largest arms supplier to the world with sales worth a total of 9.9 billion.”

    In addition to military aid, the United States continues to provide Israel with additional aid and benefits. The numbers are not yet available for FY2009, but are likely to be significant.

    By all accounts the United States has given more money to Israel than to any other country. The Congressional Research Service’s conservative estimate of total cumulative US aid to Israel (not adjusted for inflation) from 1949 through 2010 is $109.001 billion.

    A November 2008 Washington Report article “A Conservative Estimate of Total Direct U.S. Aid to Israel: $114 Billion,” by Shirl McArthur, puts the cumulative total even higher.

    According to McArthur, “[T]he indirect or consequential costs to the American taxpayer as a result of Washington’s blind support for Israel exceed by many times the amount of direct U.S. aid to Israel. Some of these ‘indirect or consequential’ costs would include the costs to U.S. manufacturers of the Arab boycott, the costs to U.S. companies and consumers of the Arab oil embargo and consequent soaring oil prices as a result of U.S. support for Israel in the 1973 war, and the costs of U.S. unilateral economic sanctions on Iran, Iraq, Libya and Syria. (For a discussion of these larger costs, see ‘The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion,’ by the late Thomas R. Stauffer, June 2003 Washington Report, p. 20.)”

    ** The source for US aid to the Palestinians during Fiscal Year 2009 is the Congressional Research Service's Report “U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians”, written by Jim Zanotti, Analyst in Middle Eastern Affairs, updated August 12, 2010. According to the report the U.S. has never provided Palestinians with military aid (although we have provided Palestinians with aid for policing their own people as well as with humanitarian and development assistance).

    The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) has provided the Palestinian people with some indirect economic assistance through funds distributed to U.S.-based NGOs operating in the West Bank and Gaza. According to the CRS report, "Funds are allocated in this program for projects in sectors such as humanitarian assistance, economic development, democratic reform, improving water access and other infrastructure, health care, education, and vocational training." The program is subject to a vetting process and to yearly audits...

    In addition, some funding has occasionally been provided directly to the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority (PA) in an attempt to strengthen it against competing political parties (particularly Hamas) and for use in policing the Palestinian people. Such funds are usually only authorized once Congress has received proof that they will be used for "non-lethal assistance."

    The United States also provides funding to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), "which provides food, shelter, medical care, and education for many of the original refugees from the 1947-1949 Arab-Israeli war and their families—now comprising approximately 4.8 million Palestinians in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, the West Bank, and Gaza." (Learn more about Palestinian refugees.)

    $400.4 million have been appropriated for economic aid to the Palestinians and $100 million for support of PA police training, etc. for FY2010. The U.S. also provided just over $61.5 million (as of February 13, 2009) in emergency humanitarian aid through USAID, UNRWA, and the International Committee of the Red Cross following Israel's assault on Gaza.
    Whether you call it foreign aid, or you call it patent royalties, it all comes out the same. The only difference (anywhere close to reality) being that by calling it foreign aid, the American people are allowed to continue to delude themselves with the belief that America is the world leader in developing advanced technologies.

    In the end - It is simply at lot easier to sell the American public on the idea that the US is giving something to Israel, as opposed to having to explain to the American public why we owe Israel so much.


    Do a patent search. Look it up for yourself. As far back, as the F-111, the US has been buying its advanced military technologies from Israel.

    These technologies, developed by Israeli R&D firms, are (aside from being the only thing that allows Israel to continue to survive) Israel's most profitable exports. While under treaty(s) the US is Israel's primary customer. It is a win-win for everybody. The AMIC gets the latest, and greatest technologies (wholesale), without the expense of maintaining the R&D facilities to develop them, while Israel’s military gets the most advanced weapon systems that money can buy.



    Israel is a very small country. After repeated attempts to starve the Israeli people out with embargoes, the Israelis have been forced to dedicate every square inch of land that they can, to the production of agriculture. While this allows Israel to be one of the only two countries (that are completely self sufficient in food production) with the ability to feed its entire population without having to rely on importing food - it also leaves Israel without sufficient land to build factories. All aside from the fact that building factories would be pointless, since (again due to the physical size of the state) there is no place within Israel that their enemies cannot reach.

    While you are doing your patent searches, you might want to check out corporate ownership of some of the key military hardware production facilities here in the US. The Israelis can continue to develop all of the military hardware that they require, while at the same time maintaining their factories in locations where Israel’s enemies cannot destroy them. Mainly . . . Half of a planet away!!!

    Israel needs factories (to build the military hardware that their survival depends on) that are out of reach of her enemies, while Americans need jobs. Again . . . Another win-win for everyone!

    That is until the US Air Force starts a pissing contest with Israel, by blocking the shipments of the new F-22 (Raptor) to Israel. Only because the Air Force is afraid that the Israelis will add updated technologies that the Congress refused to pay for, which in turn would make the Israeli versions far superior to the US aircraft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Cosby
    Sadly that is a very valid point.......... It is a symbiotic dysfunctional relationship....

    While the guVment in Israel may get what they want,
    This should read "need"!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Cosby
    it is that old watch out what you ask for kinda deals..........

    If shit hits the fan, they are on the front lines, not us..........

    The USA has a way of losing track of friends, old & dear-I don't see this in the best interest of the ppl in Israel in the long run either......
    Neither do they.

    Thus the rather nasty thorn in President Obama’s (???) ME foreign policy program.
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