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    Default The Surge is working-------------NOT!!!!!

    By SAMEER N. YACOUB, Associated Press Writer
    1 hour, 20 minutes ago

    BAGHDAD - Al-Qaida militants commandeered Iraqi army vehicles and then attacked U.S.-backed Sunni fighters in south Baghdad during a fierce gunbattle that left 18 people dead Thursday, police and local Sunnis said.

    Later Thursday, mortars or rockets slammed into the U.S.-protected Green Zone dramatizing warnings by senior American commanders that extremists still pose a threat to Iraq's fragile security despite the downturn in violence.

    The gunbattle began before dawn when al-Qaida militants killed three Iraqi soldiers and seized two Humvees in the rural area of Hawr Rijab on the southern rim of the capital, according to a police report.

    Militants then drove the Humvees to the nearby headquarters of the local "awakening council" Sunnis who have turned against al-Qaida in Iraq. The assailants opened fire on the headquarters with rifles and machine guns from the Humvees, the report said.

    U.S. Kiowa Warrior helicopters joined the fight, blasting a van which was transporting a machine gun and mortar tube, the American military said. An F-16 jet dropped a 500-pound bomb and destroyed the vehicle as al-Qaida broke off the attack, the U.S. said, adding that two insurgents were killed.

    The dead included eight members of the U.S.-backed group and seven al-Qaida suspects in addition to the three Iraqi soldiers, according to police and local Sunni leaders.

    AP Television News footage showed Iraqi police and soldiers forming a protective cordon around wailing women and children as they loaded wooden coffins onto the cars for funeral processions of those killed.

    Shortly before sunset, a series of rockets or mortars crashed into the Green Zone, sending up plumes of smoke into the sky as the sounds of the detonations reverberated through the center of the city.

    The attack, the biggest against the Green Zone in weeks, occurred as many Americans were marking the Thanksgiving holiday. Loudspeakers in the Green Zone warned people to "duck and cover" and to stay away from windows.

    Maj. Brad Leighton, a U.S. spokesman, said there were no fatalities but some people were wounded. He refused to give numbers or nationalities.

    Northeast of the capital, Iraqi security forces killed 19 al-Qaida in Iraq fighters during a gunfight in a mixed Shiite-Sunni village outside Baqouba, police said. They said two civilians were killed and two others were wounded in the crossfire.

    A spokesman for the Iraqi military, Brig. Gen. Qassim al-Moussawi, downplayed the latest violence, saying U.S. and Iraqi forces were gaining the upper hand and "citizens should be patient for a while to achieve positive results."

    American officials say attacks have dropped 55 percent nationwide since June. But American military commanders have repeatedly warned that Iraq is by no means stable, even though the violence is declining.

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    disrupter
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    I say we declare the surge a success & leave immediately,
    before it inevitably explodes, . . . . . again.

    I don't like to see the Iraqis suffer through civil war,
    but i like even the less of having both US forces AND the Iraqi people suffer through the inevitable.

    At 3800+ US deaths, 1,000,000 Iraqi deaths, 1.6 Trillion dollars, i think the eventual(?), ever elusive 'success' a bit too rich for my blood.
    take the temporary surge 'success' to retrieve our last remnants of sanity & exit quickly & swiftly.

    I think one might agree unless one is one of the blood money profiteers or the murder happy psychos who love being an instigating part of any war.

    Do you love ex-patriot Halliburton or the USA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Islam Rocks!
    By SAMEER N. YACOUB, Associated Press Writer
    1 hour, 20 minutes ago

    BAGHDAD - Al-Qaida militants commandeered Iraqi army vehicles and then attacked U.S.-backed Sunni fighters in south Baghdad during a fierce gunbattle that left 18 people dead Thursday, police and local Sunnis said.

    Later Thursday, mortars or rockets slammed into the U.S.-protected Green Zone dramatizing warnings by senior American commanders that extremists still pose a threat to Iraq's fragile security despite the downturn in violence.

    The gunbattle began before dawn when al-Qaida militants killed three Iraqi soldiers and seized two Humvees in the rural area of Hawr Rijab on the southern rim of the capital, according to a police report.

    Militants then drove the Humvees to the nearby headquarters of the local "awakening council" Sunnis who have turned against al-Qaida in Iraq. The assailants opened fire on the headquarters with rifles and machine guns from the Humvees, the report said.

    U.S. Kiowa Warrior helicopters joined the fight, blasting a van which was transporting a machine gun and mortar tube, the American military said. An F-16 jet dropped a 500-pound bomb and destroyed the vehicle as al-Qaida broke off the attack, the U.S. said, adding that two insurgents were killed.

    The dead included eight members of the U.S.-backed group and seven al-Qaida suspects in addition to the three Iraqi soldiers, according to police and local Sunni leaders.

    AP Television News footage showed Iraqi police and soldiers forming a protective cordon around wailing women and children as they loaded wooden coffins onto the cars for funeral processions of those killed.

    Shortly before sunset, a series of rockets or mortars crashed into the Green Zone, sending up plumes of smoke into the sky as the sounds of the detonations reverberated through the center of the city.

    The attack, the biggest against the Green Zone in weeks, occurred as many Americans were marking the Thanksgiving holiday. Loudspeakers in the Green Zone warned people to "duck and cover" and to stay away from windows.

    Maj. Brad Leighton, a U.S. spokesman, said there were no fatalities but some people were wounded. He refused to give numbers or nationalities.

    Northeast of the capital, Iraqi security forces killed 19 al-Qaida in Iraq fighters during a gunfight in a mixed Shiite-Sunni village outside Baqouba, police said. They said two civilians were killed and two others were wounded in the crossfire.

    A spokesman for the Iraqi military, Brig. Gen. Qassim al-Moussawi, downplayed the latest violence, saying U.S. and Iraqi forces were gaining the upper hand and "citizens should be patient for a while to achieve positive results."

    American officials say attacks have dropped 55 percent nationwide since June. But American military commanders have repeatedly warned that Iraq is by no means stable, even though the violence is declining.
    gotta link ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankg
    gotta link ?
    It was on Yahoo news page when I logged in earlier.

    Also it was on the news on TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Islam Rocks!
    It was on Yahoo news page when I logged in earlier.

    Also it was on the news on TV.
    So just post the link so I can check it out , how hard is that ?

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    1 million deaths? Try between 100 and 200 thousand.

    Your point was well taken, but there is no need to exagerate the numbers disrupter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankg
    gotta link ?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/iraq

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    Quote Originally Posted by radioguy
    1 million deaths? Try between 100 and 200 thousand.

    Your point was well taken, but there is no need to exagerate the numbers disrupter.

    Casualties in Iraq

    Americans: http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/


    Iraqi civilians: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/


    He did exaggerate the numbers.

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    Yirmeyahu
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    1 million deaths? Try between 100 and 200 thousand.
    1 million is not a completely unreasonable estimate. There have only been two scientific surveys investigating the number of deaths resulting from the US invasion.

    The first estimated that from March 2003 to September 2004, 100,000 Iraqis had been killed as a result of the war.

    The second estimated that 665,000 Iraqis had been killed from March 2003 to June 2006. There was a low level of confidence that the figure could be as low as 393,000. On the other hand, it could be as high as 943,000.

    A year and a half have passed since then, and people have continued to die at a horrible rate.

    Your figure of 100 to 200 thousand is certainly far too low.

    Casualties in Iraq

    Americans: http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/


    Iraqi civilians: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/


    He did exaggerate the numbers.
    The first link is to American military casualties, which is not what was being discussed.

    Iraq Body Count keeps track of deaths reported in multiple (three or more, I believe) media accounts. Obviously, not every death is reported by multiple reputable news organizations, if deaths are even reported at all.

    The IBC figure is an extremely conservative estimate as a result, an absolute bare minimum figure that is most certainly much too low.

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    disrupter
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    A scientific sampling that is identical to labor bureau statistical methods was used a year or two ago that had the count at 655,000. [range 450,000 to 900,000]

    Not the pentagon, congress's or the Whitehouse's apologetic propaganda.

    Cold hard statistical science, not mythology or superstition.

    You would think after years [decades?] of government lies American people would get a clue.

    you might take a look at my signature.
    gullibility anyone?

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