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    There's a lot of annoying mendacity in Paul Ryan's budget proposal, but the most annoying by far is his repeated insistence that under his plan seniors would get "the same kind of health-care program that members of Congress enjoy." Aside from the fact that he's offered no details about how or why private insurers would magically decide to provide the same kind of benefits to the elderly that they do to members of Congress, he's just flatly lying about the most important part of his proposal: namely that it will force seniors to pay far, far more for Medicare than they do now — and far, far more than members of Congress pay for their health insurance. If you're a millionaire, maybe this counts as the "same kind" ....

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    How the lies doth freely flow with unabated ease from out of the hoary mouth of this raffish oaf.....

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    By the time Ryan's budget will erase our debt, I think we'll have bigger problems on our hands like the fact that most seniors are dieing at an earlier age because they can't afford Medicare or health care. Seniors will have to start skimping on blood pressure and other vital prescription medicines. Overall health of our elderly will deteriorate and children of the elderly will have to either provide financial assistance creating a burden for their household income. We can't ignore our elderly or our poor and let them fend for themselves. If we did, then we will all suffer from the effects of their health and economic problems.
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    When most people figured out Ryan's a stone liar, Obama's reelection was sealed.

    Thanks Paul.

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    Kinda odd the lengths these idiots will go, in order to avoid a 5% tax increase on those who spend that amount as chump change.


    Legislation for the middle class? HELL NO!

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    The Pukes screwed the pooch on this one - they're still scrambling like mental patients as I post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thai Kimchi
    The Pukes screwed the pooch on this one - they're still scrambling like mental patients as I post.
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    Americans don't want four more years of smothering debt and a party that is clueless about how to get unemployment above 9%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by le Metis
    he's just flatly lying about the most important part of his proposal: namely that it will force seniors to pay far, far more for Medicare than they do now — and far, far more than members of Congress pay for their health insurance. If you're a millionaire, maybe this counts as the "same kind" ....

    How the lies doth freely flow with unabated ease from out of the hoary mouth of this raffish oaf.....
    Please explain to me precisely how it will cost seniors more.

    Do you have a clue how a high-deductible plan and a medical spending plan works?
    Socialists cry "Power to the people", and raise their clenched fists as they say it.
    We all know what they really mean -- power over people, power to the State.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MintJulep
    Please explain to me precisely how it will cost seniors more.

    Do you have a clue how a high-deductible plan and a medical spending plan works?
    Insurance companies are going to love all those new and sick customers with all of their chronic diseases, right Minty?

    They are going to love paying for their care, right Minty?

    And it is all going to cost you less than the current Medicare system we have, right Minty?

    If Medicare's approval rating is 77%, the new customers will give healthcare for profit providers and even higher rating, right Minty?



    Minty, are you evil, or stupid, which is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nondual
    Insurance companies are going to love all those new and sick customers with all of their chronic diseases, right Minty?

    They are going to love paying for their care, right Minty?

    And it is all going to cost you less than the current Medicare system we have, right Minty?

    If Medicare's approval rating is 77%, the new customers will give healthcare for profit providers and even higher rating, right Minty?



    Minty, are you evil, or stupid, which is it?
    Perhaps you can explain how it 'will cost Seniors more'?
    Socialists cry "Power to the people", and raise their clenched fists as they say it.
    We all know what they really mean -- power over people, power to the State.


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