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    Three minute video excerpt from 'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009

    As I said, mass is directly proportional to process, and here is the absolute proof:



    Mass

    Information about a material system must be contained within the system, it does not come from anywhere else in space. The only external information being brought to the system by EM waves is the momentum and location of the particle in relation to the world. These systems are comprised by a particle and its particular standing matter wave. Particles are selected, quantized, and turned into parts by standing matter waves, as space particles condense into the particle/system. The parts, not the information, to construct and maintain the system intact as it moves through the medium, come from the chaotic hyperspace. CBR is the material space from where new geometrical information is created and incorporated into the system as it moves through spacetime, it is the prime matter from which volumes are formed.

    There are matter waves and EMR between you and everything around you, flowing from and into everything, including yourself. EMR bounces off, carrying information regarding each surrounding object's objective state, while matter waves flow into each object, also bringing information about the environment, as objects crystallize into spacetime.

    The so-called Higgs field is just another name for Einstein's gravitational aether. Mass is the result of matter's field interactions within itself and the space on which it sits, hence, the Higgs mechanism. Matter is a continuous, time dependent, and thermodynamically open, self-organizing process. Particles, as they move through the CBR, need to continuously re-ordinate the space that constitutes them. Particles are in constant motion, continuously processing space/information. Matter is formed by this process and mass increases directly proportional to the amount of process. This is why the denser a particle is, or the faster it moves in relation to other objects, the more massive it becomes. Mass is directly proportional to process.

    Mass is caused by the continuous internal process occurring within matter as space/information radially flows towards the center of all matter, as it precipitates from hyperspace into spacetime. Mass and inertia are by-products of a quantum mechanical process where a drag force is created by the continuous inwardly flow of space into matter. Mass is equivalent to process.
    T-Cat - "Conservation of momentum applies to a system closed in kinetic energy, not a thermodynamically closed system."

    T-Cat on Potential Energy: "Which means that you aren't converting it all at any point until you reach the ground."

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    LMAO. When my physicists friends make fun of me for being a chemist, I always ask them "where's the aether". Shuts them up!

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    That was pretty amazing....

    What does nothing weigh..... boy you could win a lot of drink bets in a bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodium
    LMAO. When my physicists friends make fun of me for being a chemist, I always ask them "where's the aether". Shuts them up!
    Well, this is proof accurate to ten decimal places. Can't beat that!
    T-Cat - "Conservation of momentum applies to a system closed in kinetic energy, not a thermodynamically closed system."

    T-Cat on Potential Energy: "Which means that you aren't converting it all at any point until you reach the ground."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodium
    LMAO. When my physicists friends make fun of me for being a chemist, I always ask them "where's the aether". Shuts them up!
    QUOTES AND EXCERPTS


    "That gravity should be innate, inherent, and essential to matter, so that one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum, without the mediation of anything else, and by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity that I believe no man who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking can ever fall into it. Gravity must be caused by an agent acting constantly according to certain laws, but whether this agent be material or immaterial I have left to the consideration of my readers."

    "I here use the word attraction for any endeavor whatever made by bodies to approach each other; whether that endeavor arise from the action of the bodies themselves as tending mutually to, or agitating each other by spirits emitted; or whether it arises from the action of the ether or of the air or of any medium whatever [...] upon as real, to enable acceleration or rotation to be looked upon as something real." --- Isaac Newton (1693)

    "Absolute Space in its own nature, without relation to anything external remains always similar and immovable." --- Isaac Newton (1687)
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    "I agree with you that the general relativity theory admits of an ether hypothesis as does the special relativity theory. But this new ether theory would not violate the principle of relativity. The reason is that the state [...metric tensor] = Aether is not that of a rigid body in an independent state of motion, but a state of motion which is a function of position determined through the metrical phenomena." --- Albert Einstein (1916)

    "But on the other hand there is a weighty argument to be adduced in favour of the ether hypothesis. To deny the ether is ultimately to assume that empty space has no physical qualities whatever.

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    Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense. But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it." --- Albert Einstein (Ether and the Theory of Relativity, 1920)

    "The inseparability of time and space emerged in connection with electrodynamics, or the law of propagation of light. With the discovery of the relativity of simultaneity, space and time were merged in a single continuum in a way similar to that in which the three dimensions of space had previously merged into a single continuum. Physical space was thus extended to a four dimensional space which also included the dimension of time. The four dimensional space of the special theory of relativity is just as rigid and absolute as Newton's space." --- Albert Einstein (1954)

    "When forced to summarize the general theory of relativity in one sentence: Time and space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter. ... Physical objects are not in space, but these objects are spatially extended. In this way the concept 'empty space' loses its meaning. ... The particle can only appear as a limited region in space in which the field strength or the energy density are particularly high..." --- Albert Einstein
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    "Nobody would believe that the chance disturbance--say by an impact--of one body in a system of uninfluenced bodies which are left to themselves and move uniformly in a straight line, where all the bodies combine to fix the system of coordinates, will immediately cause a disturbance of the others as a consequence.

    We should [...] have to picture to ourselves some other medium, filling, say, all space, with respect to the constitution of which and its kinetic relations to the bodies placed in it we have at present no adequate knowledge. In itself such a state of things would not belong to the impossibilities. [...] we might still hope to learn more in the future concerning this hypothetical medium; and from the point of view of science it would be in every respect a more valuable acquisition than the forlorn idea of absolute space." --- Ernst Mach (1893)
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    "Having recognized that the individual points in Newton's absolute space have no physical reality, we must now inquire what remains of this concept at all." --- Max Born
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    "I cannot but regard the ether, which can be the seat of an electromagnetic field with its energy and its vibrations, as endowed with a certain degree of substantiality, however different it may be from all ordinary matter." --- Hendrik Lorentz (1906)
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    "Natural science (physics) contains in itself synthetical judgments a priori, as principles. ... Space then is a necessary representation a priori, which serves for the foundation of all external intuitions." --- Immanuel Kant (1781)
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    "I cannot conceive curved lines of force without the conditions of a physical existence in that intermediate space." --- Faraday (1830)
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    "...quantum field theory says that associated with any mass m there is a length called its Compton wavelength, lc, such that determining the position of a particle of mass m to within one Compton wavelength requires enough energy to create another particle of that mass. Particle creation is a quintessentially quantum-field-theoretic phenomenon. Thus, we may say that the Compton wavelength sets the distance scale at which quantum field theory becomes crucial for understanding the behaviour of a particle of a given mass. On the other hand, general relativity says that associated to any mass m there is a length called the Schwarzschild radius, ls, such that compressing an object of mass m to a size smaller than this results in the formation of a black hole. The Schwarzschild radius is roughly the distance scale at which general relativity becomes crucial for understanding the behaviour of a given mass. Now, ignoring some numerical factors, we have:

    lc = hbar/mc

    and

    ls = Gm/c^2

    These two lengths become equal when m is the Planck mass. And when this happens, they both equal the Planck length!"

    [...]

    "...in topological quantum field theory we cannot measure time in seconds, because there is no background metric available to let us count the passage of time! We can only keep track of topological change."

    "The topology of spacetime is arbitrary and there is no background metric."

    "Quantum topology is very technical, as anything involving mathematical physicists inevitably becomes. But if we stand back a moment, it should be perfectly obvious that differential topology and quantum theory must merge if we are to understand background-free quantum field theories. In physics that ignores general relativity, we treat space as a background on which the process of change occurs. But these are idealizations which we must overcome in a background-free theory. In fact, the concepts of 'space' and 'state' are two aspects of a unified whole, and likewise for the concepts of 'spacetime' and 'process'. It is a challenge, not just for mathematical physicists, but also for philosophers, to understand this more deeply." --- John C. Baez (from Higher-dimensional algebra and Planck scale physics, as it appeared on the book Physics Meets Philosophy at the Planck Scale by Craig Callender and Nick Hugget)
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    "Quantum phenomena are caused by fractal topological defects embedded in and forming a growing three-dimensional fractal process-space, which is essentially a quantum foam." --- Reginald T. Cahill

    About Process Physics:

    ...The guiding idea of its approach is that natural existence consists in and is best understood in terms of processes rather than things--of modes of change rather than fixed stabilities. For processists, change of every sort--physical, organic, psychological--is the pervasive and predominant feature of the real.

    Process philosophy diametrically opposes the view--as old as Parmenides and Zeno and the Atomists of Pre-Socratic Greece--that denies processes or downgrades them in the order of being or of understanding by subordinating them to substantial things. By contrast, process philosophy pivots on the thesis that the processual nature of existence is a fundamental fact with which any adequate metaphysic must come to terms.

    Process philosophy puts processes at the forefront of philosophical and specifically of ontological concern. Process should here be construed in pretty much the usual way--as a sequentially structured sequence of successive stages or phases...

    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/process-philosophy/

    [...]

    Process philosophy is a longstanding philosophical tradition that emphasizes becoming and changing over static being...

    ...the world, at its most fundamental level, is made up of momentary events of experience rather than enduring material substances. Process philosophy speculates that these momentary events, called "actual occasions" or "actual entities," are essentially self-determining, experiential, and internally related to each other.

    Actual occasions correspond to electrons and sub-atomic particles, but also to human persons. The human person is a society of billions of these occasions (that is, the body), which is organized and coordinated by a single dominant occasion (that is, the mind). Thus, process philosophy avoids a strict mind-body dualism....

    http://www.iep.utm.edu/p/processp.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_philosophy

    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-bebecome/
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    "When theorizing about an all-inclusive reality, the first and most important principle is containment, which simply tells us what we should and should not be considering. Containment principles, already well known in cosmology, generally take the form of tautologies; e.g., "The physical universe contains all and only that which is physical." The predicate "physical", like all predicates, here corresponds to a structured set, "the physical universe" (because the universe has structure and contains objects, it is a structured set). But this usage of tautology is somewhat loose, for it technically amounts to a predicate-logical equivalent of propositional tautology called autology, meaning self-description. Specifically, the predicate physical is being defined on topological containment in the physical universe, which is tacitly defined on and descriptively contained in the predicate physical, so that the self-definition of "physical" is a two-step operation involving both topological and descriptive containment. While this principle, which we might regard as a statement of "physicalism", is often confused with materialism on the grounds that "physical" equals "material", the material may in fact be only a part of what makes up the physical. Similarly, the physical may only be a part of what makes up the real. Because the content of reality is a matter of science as opposed to mere semantics, this issue can be resolved only by rational or empirical evidence, not by assumption alone." --- Christopher Michael Langan

    http://www.ctmu.org/CTMU/Articles/IntroCTMU.html
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    "As everyone knows, the aether played a great part in the physics of the nineteenth century; but in the first decade of the twentieth, chiefly as result of the failure of attempts to observe the earth's motion relative to the aether, and the acceptance of the principle that such attempts must always fail, the word "aether" fell out of favour, and it became customary to refer to the interplanetary spaces as "vacuous"; the vacuum being conceived as mere emptiness, having no properties except that of propagating electromagnetic waves. But with the development of quantum electrodynamics, the vacuum has come to be regarded as the seat of the "zero-point" oscillations of the electromagnetic field, of the "zero-point" fluctuations of electric charge and current, and of a "polarization" corresponding to a dielectric constant different from unity. It seems absurd to retain the name "vacuum" for an entity so rich in physical properties, and the historical word "aether" may fitly be retained." --- Sir Edmund T. Whittaker (in the preface to his scholarly and scientific A History of the Theories of Aether and Electricity, 1951)
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    "The aetherless basis of physical theory may have reached the end of its capabilities and we see in the aether a new hope for the future." --- Paul A.M. Dirac (Physics Nobel Prize winner, 1954)

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    "Physical knowledge has advanced much since 1905, notably by the arrival of quantum mechanics, and the situation [about the scientific plausibility of aether] has again changed. If one examines the question in the light of present-day knowledge, one finds that the aether is no longer ruled out by relativity, and good reasons can now be advanced for postulating an aether... We can now see that we may very well have an aether, subject to quantum mechanics and conformable to relativity, provided we are willing to consider a perfect vacuum as an idealized state, not attainable in practice. From the experimental point of view there does not seem to be any objection to this. We must make some profound alterations to the theoretical idea of the vacuum... Thus, with the new theory of electrodynamics we are rather forced to have an aether." --- Paul A.M.Dirac (Is There an Aether?, Nature 168 (1951): 906-7)
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    In an article on Ether for the Encyclopedia Britannica Maxwell wrote:

    "Ether or Aether ('aiqhr', probably from 'aiqw' - I burn) a material substance of a more subtle kind than visible bodies, supposed to exist in those parts of space which are apparently empty... Whatever difficulties we may have in forming a consistent idea of the constitution of the aether, there can be no doubt that the interplanetary and interstellar spaces are not empty, but are occupied by a material substance or body, which is certainly the largest, and probably the most uniform body of which we have any knowledge. Whether this vast homogeneous expanse of isotropic matter is fitted not only to be a medium of physical interaction between distant bodies, and to fulfill other physical functions of which, perhaps, we have as yet no conception, but also ... to constitute the material organism of beings exercising functions of life and mind as high or higher than ours are at present - is a question far transcending the limits of physical speculation."

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    Maxwell's words at the conclusion of his 1873 work on electricity and magnetism:

    "All these theories lead to the conception of a medium..., and if we admit this medium as a hypothesis, I think it ought to occupy a prominent place in our investigations, and that we ought to endeavor to construct a mental representation of all the details of its actions, and this has been my constant aim in this treatise."

    http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath322/kmath322.htm
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    "Well, perhaps we should finish with this business about empty space.

    If you follow through the mathematics of the present Quantum Theory, it treats the particle as what is called the quantized state of the field, that is, as a field spread over space but in some mysterious way with a quantum of energy. Now each wave in the field has a certain quantum of energy proportional to its frequency. And if you take the electromagnetic field, for example, in empty space, every wave has what is called a zero point energy below which it cannot go, even when there is no energy available. If you were to add up all the waves in any region of empty space you would find that they have an infinite amount of energy because an infinite number of waves are possible. Now, however, you may have reason to suppose that the energy may not be infinite, that maybe you cannot keep on adding waves that are shorter and shorter, each contributing to the energy. There may be some shortest possible wave, and then the total number of waves would be finite and the energy would also be finite. Now, you have to ask what would be the shortest length and there seems to be reason to suspect that the gravitational theory may provide us with some shortest length, for according to general relativity, the gravitational field also determines what is meant by "length" and metric. If you said the gravitational field was made up of waves which were quantized in this way, you would find that there was a certain length below which the gravitational field would become undefinable because of this zero point movement and you wouldn't be able to define length. Therefore, you could say the property of measurement, length, fades out at very short distance and you'd find the place at which it fades out would be about 10^-33 cm. That is a very short distance because the shortest distances that physicists have ever probed so far might be 10^-16 cm. or so, and that's a long way to go. If you then compute the amount of energy that would be in space, with that shortest possible wave length, then it turns out that the energy in one cubic centimeter would be immensely beyond the total energy of all the known matter in the universe.

    Present theory says that the vacuum contains all this energy which is then ignored because it cannot be measured by an instrument. The philosophy being that only what could be measured by an instrument could be considered to be real, because the only point about the reality of physics is the result of instruments, except that it is also said that there are particles there that cannot be seen in instruments at all. What you can say is that the present state of theoretical physics implies that empty space has all this energy, and matter is a slight increase of the energy, and therefore matter is like a small ripple on this tremendous ocean of energy, having some relative stability, and being manifest. Now, therefore, my suggestion is that this implicate order implies a reality immensely beyond what we call matter. Matter itself is merely a ripple in this background.

    If you take a crystal which is at absolute zero it does not scatter electrons. They go through it as if it were empty. And as soon as you raise the temperature and (produce) inhomogenities, they scatter. Now, if you used those electrons to observe the crystal (e.g., by focusing them with an electron lens to make an image), all you would see would be these little inhomogeneities and you would say they are what exists and the crystal is what does not exist. Right? I think this is a familiar idea, namely to say that what we see immediately is really a very superficial affair. However, the positivist used to say that what we see immediately is all there is or all that counts, and that our ideas must simply correlate what we see immediately.

    So now, with this vast reserve of energy and empty space, saying that matter itself is that small wave on empty space, then we could better say that the space as a whole (and we start from the general space) is the ground of existence, and we are in it. So the space doesn't separate us, it unites us. Therefore it's like saying that there are two separate points and a certain dotted line connects them, which shows how we think they are related, or to say there is a real line and that the points are abstractions from that.

    The line is the reality and the points are abstractions. In that sense we say that there are no separate people, you see, but that 'that' is an abstraction which comes by taking certain features as abstracted and self-existent." --- David Bohm (Wholeness and the Implicate Order)
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    "The fundamental element of the cosmos is Space. Space is the all-embracing principle of higher unity. Nothing can exist without Space. .. According to ancient Indian tradition the Universe reveals itself in two fundamental properties: as Motion and as that in which motion takes place, namely Space. This Space is called Akasa .. derived from the root kas, 'to radiate, to shine', and has therefore the meaning of ether which is conceived as the medium of movement. The principle of movement, however, is Prana, the breath of life, the all-powerful, all-pervading rhythm of the universe. Space is the precondition of all that exists, be it material or immaterial form, because we can neither imagine an object nor a being without space. Space, therefore, is not only a conditio sine qua non of all existence, but a fundamental property of our consciousness. Our consciousness determines the kind of space in which we live. The infinity of space and the infinity of consciousness are identical. In the moment in which a being becomes conscious of his consciousness, he becomes conscious of space. In the moment in which he becomes conscious of the infinity of space, he realises the infinity of consciousness." --- Lama Anagarika Govinda (1969)
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    "There is a thing, formless yet complete. Before heaven and earth it existed. Without sound, without substance, it stands alone and unchanging. It is all-pervading and unfailing. One may think of it as the mother of all beneath Heaven. We do not know its name, but we call it Tao. Deep and still, it seems to have existed forever." --- Lao Tzu
    T-Cat - "Conservation of momentum applies to a system closed in kinetic energy, not a thermodynamically closed system."

    T-Cat on Potential Energy: "Which means that you aren't converting it all at any point until you reach the ground."

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    Quote Originally Posted by nondual
    QUOTES AND EXCERPTS


    "That gravity should be innate, inherent, and essential to matter, so that one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum, without the mediation of anything else, and by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity that I believe no man who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking can ever fall into it. Gravity must be caused by an agent acting constantly according to certain laws, but whether this agent be material or immaterial I have left to the consideration of my readers."
    there is no gravity.

    gravity was an observation
    derived from the platform of the surface
    of the earth in 1665 - 345 years ago.

    the observation was a pull
    but if the observation is to be taken not
    from the surface of the earth, but
    on space itself one may have a possible
    observation
    that it is a push that makes a matter/object
    hits the surface of the earth.

    there is no gravity.
    there is no pull, just a push.

    marcla88

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    Quote Originally Posted by nondual
    QUOTES AND EXCERPTS

    "There is a thing, formless yet complete. Before heaven and earth it existed. Without sound, without substance, it stands alone and unchanging. It is all-pervading and unfailing. One may think of it as the mother of all beneath Heaven. We do not know its name, but we call it Tao. Deep and still, it seems to have existed forever." --- Lao Tzu

    when one speaks of heaven
    the credibility of his words
    disappear like bubble.

    there is no heaven.

    marcla88/COLOR]

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcla88
    there is no gravity.

    gravity was an observation
    derived from the platform of the surface
    of the earth in 1665 - 345 years ago.

    the observation was a pull
    but if the observation is to be taken not
    from the surface of the earth, but
    on space itself one may have a possible
    observation
    that it is a push that makes a matter/object
    hits the surface of the earth.

    there is no gravity.
    there is no pull, just a push.

    marcla88
    Well, based on our observations and calculations, all of which are based on Einstein's theory of gravitation, we can put a probe on Saturn's orbit and take pictures of its rings.
    T-Cat - "Conservation of momentum applies to a system closed in kinetic energy, not a thermodynamically closed system."

    T-Cat on Potential Energy: "Which means that you aren't converting it all at any point until you reach the ground."

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcla88

    when one speaks of heaven
    the credibility of his words
    disappear like bubble.

    there is no heaven.

    marcla88/COLOR]
    That depends on what definition of Heaven a man living 100 years BC would be using.
    T-Cat - "Conservation of momentum applies to a system closed in kinetic energy, not a thermodynamically closed system."

    T-Cat on Potential Energy: "Which means that you aren't converting it all at any point until you reach the ground."

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