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MintJulep
07-18-2009, 07:35 PM
This is unreal. This Hitler piece-of-shit does not belong in the WH. He is trying to regulate the insurance companies out of business and outlaw individuals' ability to buy their private insurance. I am outraged at this.

It's Not An Option

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY |
Posted Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:20 PM PT

Congress: It didn't take long to run into an "uh-oh" moment when reading the House's "health care for all Americans" bill. Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal.

When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.

It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," the "Limitation On New Enrollment" section of the bill clearly states:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.

So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised — with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.

From the beginning, opponents of the public option plan have warned that if the government gets into the business of offering subsidized health insurance coverage, the private insurance market will wither. Drawn by a public option that will be 30% to 40% cheaper than their current premiums because taxpayers will be funding it, employers will gladly scrap their private plans and go with Washington's coverage.

The nonpartisan Lewin Group estimated in April that 120 million or more Americans could lose their group coverage at work and end up in such a program. That would leave private carriers with 50 million or fewer customers. This could cause the market to, as Lewin Vice President John Sheils put it, "fizzle out altogether."

What wasn't known until now is that the bill itself will kill the market for private individual coverage by not letting any new policies be written after the public option becomes law.

The legislation is also likely to finish off health savings accounts, a goal that Democrats have had for years. They want to crush that alternative because nothing gives individuals more control over their medical care, and the government less, than HSAs.

With HSAs out of the way, a key obstacle to the left's expansion of the welfare state will be removed.

The public option won't be an option for many, but rather a mandate for buying government care. A free people should be outraged at this advance of soft tyranny.

Washington does not have the constitutional or moral authority to outlaw private markets in which parties voluntarily participate. It shouldn't be killing business opportunities, or limiting choices, or legislating major changes in Americans' lives.

It took just 16 pages of reading to find this naked attempt by the political powers to increase their reach. It's scary to think how many more breaches of liberty we'll come across in the final 1,002.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=332548165656854

The_Limit
07-18-2009, 07:50 PM
Write your health insurance provider.

Tell them to refuse the billions in subsidies they receive yearly from the federal government.

Announce via phone, letter or email of your "free market" prinicples. You want to pay the true cost of your health bill, not the current subsidized version.

Watch your health bill skyrocket as your 'priniciples' plummet.

MintJulep
07-18-2009, 07:52 PM
It isn't the insurance provider that is trying to take away my rights. It is a tyrannical gubmint with a Hitler incarnate at the helm.

The_Limit
07-18-2009, 07:54 PM
It isn't the insurance provider that is trying to take away my rights. It is a tyrannical gubmint with a Hitler incarnate at the helm.

You always have the option of writing your provider and asking them to refuse the billions in subsidies they receive from Uncle Sam.

Then you can see the true cost of your health bill.

MintJulep
07-18-2009, 08:02 PM
You always have the option of writing your provider and asking them to refuse the billions in subsidies they receive from Uncle Sam.

Then you can see the true cost of your health bill.You're deflecting from the subject which is; Obamahitler is trying to take our rights away. He is trying to outlaw private insurers and put them out of business via regulation, take the rights of the individual and lying to the public. Who is this chicken-necked POS to tell someone they are not allowed to purchase private insurance? I mean, WTF??????

The left called Bush Hitler and now you've elected a real one.

The_Limit
07-18-2009, 08:12 PM
You're deflecting from the subject which is; Obamahitler

I'm not going to trade words with an individual who compares a U.S. politician with history's worst mass murderer.

Not worth the time or effort.

My opinion, however, on the subject is clear, write your provider and tell them to send you a bill that reflects the cost of your care without government subsidies.

MintJulep
07-18-2009, 08:19 PM
Translation: You can't defend the liar and the tyrannical policies he is trying to enact as a sleight of hand to the blind lemmings.

I just can't wait for the public backlash to begin. And it will.

Bush wasn't Hitler but your little Messiah certainly is. Obamahitler. Deal with it.

The_Limit
07-18-2009, 08:21 PM
Translation: You can't defend the liar and the tyrannical policies he is trying to enact as a sleight of hand to the blind lemmings.

I just can't wait for the public backlash to begin. And it will.

Bush wasn't Hitler but your little Messiah certainly is. Obamahitler. Deal with it.

Engaging in debate with an individual who forwards ludicrous comparisons re Obama Hitler is a pointless task.

I discuss political issues with serious individuals who have valid questions with reasonable points of contention.

You are not a serious poster. Drop the Hitler Obama rhetoric. It will do you a world of good.

MintJulep
07-18-2009, 08:23 PM
Hey hypocrite, the looney left called Bush Hitler for eight solid years.

I know, that was "different". LOL For you perhaps, not for me.

Keep defending your little Hitler-esque Messiah. The public will wake-up and it won't be pretty. Bookmark it.

The_Limit
07-18-2009, 08:36 PM
Hey hypocrite, the looney left called Bush Hitler for eight solid years.

I know, that was "different". LOL For you perhaps, not for me.

Keep defending your little Hitler-esque Messiah. The public will wake-up and it won't be pretty. Bookmark it.

This is my last response towards you regarding this thread simply because your writing style bores me.

First, I'd like to point out the obvious. We'll start with the opening sentence in the above post.

"Hey hypocrite, the looney left called Bush Hitler for eight solid years."

You call me a "hypocrite." Yet in a poor effort to offer substantiation to this claim the very next line is "the looney left called..."

According to your own words, the 'beef' as it were, resides with the looney left, not me.

If, in fact, you had evidence of my hypocrisy you would not have said "the looney left." Rather, you would have illustrated an example of my personal hypocrisy with a pointed quote.

You could not find such documentation, because it does not exist.

Furthermore, I have not defended Obama.

All I said was to write your insurance provider and ask them to send you an accurate reflection of your health bill without Uncle Sam's subsidies.

MintJulep
07-18-2009, 08:42 PM
We both know what went on for eight years and nothing can take it away. It is now the "hereafter".

Deal with it as we did.

doctordog
07-18-2009, 09:44 PM
This is my last response towards you regarding this thread simply because your writing style bores me.

First, I'd like to point out the obvious. We'll start with the opening sentence in the above post.

"Hey hypocrite, the looney left called Bush Hitler for eight solid years."

You call me a "hypocrite." Yet in a poor effort to offer substantiation to this claim the very next line is "the looney left called..."

According to your own words, the 'beef' as it were, resides with the looney left, not me.

If, in fact, you had evidence of my hypocrisy you would not have said "the looney left." Rather, you would have illustrated an example of my personal hypocrisy with a pointed quote.

You could not find such documentation, because it does not exist.

Furthermore, I have not defended Obama.

All I said was to write your insurance provider and ask them to send you an accurate reflection of your health bill without Uncle Sam's subsidies.

Here is what we get with Universal Healthcare from Obama:

490

491

The_Limit
07-18-2009, 10:13 PM
Here is what we get with Universal Healthcare from Obama:

490

491

Awful that you would even compare the holocaust with health care reform.

Not worth the time.

doctordog
07-18-2009, 10:18 PM
Awful that you would even compare the holocaust with health care reform.

Not worth the time.

Talk to relatives of people in Canada that died waiting on operations that can be scheduled within weeks here, then get back to me with your wisdom.

The_Limit
07-18-2009, 10:19 PM
Talk to relatives of people in Canada that died waiting on operations that can be scheduled within weeks here, then get back to me with your wisdom.

You do realize I am in Toronto, Canada, don't you?

Your claim is bullsnot. Health care in this country remains nothing like the narrative you describe above.

Nothing.

Your words are simply hyper partisan rhetoric.

doctordog
07-18-2009, 10:34 PM
You do realize I am in Toronto, Canada, don't you?

Your claim is bullsnot. Health care in this country remains nothing like the narrative you describe above.

Nothing.

Your words are simply hyper partisan rhetoric.

You are full of shit and not being honest, an associate of mine lives outside of Montreal and he watched his mother die waiting on heart surgery. Even though he can have your healthcare he uses our company healthcare plan and American doctors.

The_Limit
07-18-2009, 10:36 PM
You are full of shit and not being honest

Attack my integrity to your heart's content.

My opinion is clear - very clear - your narrative about the health system in Canada is absolutely ridiculous.

doctordog
07-18-2009, 10:48 PM
Attack my integrity to your heart's content.

My opinion is clear - very clear - your narrative about the health system in Canada is absolutely ridiculous.

It isn't, it is shameful and I can understand you supporting your own country, but I would prefer ObamaHitler leave my god damn healthcare alone. I prefer setting up my own healthcare and paying for it as it is needed.

The_Limit
07-18-2009, 10:51 PM
It isn't, it is shameful and I can understand you supporting your own country, but I would prefer ObamaHitler leave my god damn healthcare alone. I prefer setting up my own healthcare and paying for it as it is needed.

This is not about supporting my own country. It has nothing to do with patriotism, or with me personally.

Simply put, your claim does not fit with the facts.

As for your absurd "ObamaHitler" reference, nothing more need be said. That you would even try to compare Obama with the world's most legendary mass murderer is shameful.

I can see reasonable discussion with you in this thread remains impossible.

Discussion over.

doctordog
07-18-2009, 10:55 PM
This is not about supporting my own country. It has nothing to do with patriotism, or with me personally.

Simply put, your claim does not fit with the facts.

As for your absurd "ObamaHitler" reference, nothing more need be said. That you would even try to compare Obama with the world's most legendary mass murderer is shameful.

I can see reasonable discussion with you in this thread remains impossible.

Discussion over.

Good, go away since your opinion about healthcare here means nothing since you can only see your side by not living, working, and paying taxes here. Canadians should mind their own fucking business, since their whole survival depends on their neighbors to the south.

The_Limit
07-18-2009, 10:58 PM
...since their whole survival depends on their neighbors to the south.

Last comment, because I just had to respond.

If you really think this, it's time to put down the crack pipe.

doctordog
07-18-2009, 11:25 PM
Last comment, because I just had to respond.

If you really think this, it's time to put down the crack pipe.

You would fall on your face without us, face it. My company owns 6 plants in your country, they are all in the top 10 of plants sucking hind tit.

mwillman
07-19-2009, 12:12 AM
Wayers57

you are a sad bigot and your opinion like your mind is worthless.

doctordog
07-19-2009, 12:27 AM
Wayers57

you are a sad bigot and your opinion like your mind is worthless.

Don't you have a brother to milk?:lmao2:

mwillman
07-19-2009, 12:13 PM
Hey Wayer why dont you leave my brother out if it.
He unlike you is a decent human being.

A bigot is as a bigot acts and you wayer are a bigot.