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Life_Long_Dem!
07-16-2009, 10:42 AM
The Chairmen of the three Committees with jurisdiction over health policy in the U.S. House of Representatives introduced comprehensive health care reform legislation today that will reduce out-of-control costs, encourage competition among insurance plans to improve choices for patients, and expand access to quality, affordable health care for all Americans.

The legislation is consistent with President Obama's overall goals of building on what works within the current health care system by strengthening employer-provided care, while fixing what is broken. The bill will ensure that 97 percent of Americans will be covered by a health care plan that is both affordable and offers quality, standard benefits by 2019.

The House Committees on Education and Labor, Ways and Means, and Energy and Commerce have been working together in an unprecedented way as one committee to develop the proposal for health care reform. This week each of the three committees will be marking up the legislation, allowing for continued input from members of Congress and the American people.

"Reforming America's health care system to control costs and improve access to quality affordable care is not only the moral thing to do, it is also critical to our economic recovery and the long-term fiscal health of our nation," said U.S. Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-NY), the Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee Chairman. "Health care costs are rising out of control, threatening the economic well-being of American families and businesses. This innovative bill provides a uniquely American solution to control costs and put patients first without burdening future generations with debt."

"Today we are taking another step forward towards fulfilling our commitment to deliver what the American people decisively voted for last November - access to affordable, quality health insurance for all Americans," said U.S. Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-CA), the Chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee. "This bill is among our highest legislative priorities this year. We have taken great care to build on what we have that works and reform what doesn't. I look forward to working with my colleagues to refine the bill as it moves through the Committee process. I am confident that we will succeed in enacting this landmark reform into law."

"American families cannot afford for Washington to say 'no' once again to comprehensive health care reform," said U.S. Rep. George Miller (D-CA), the Chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee. "We are proud to introduce legislation that meets the goals articulated by President Obama - to lower costs, preserve choice, and expand access to quality, affordable health care - while strengthening our economic and fiscal health. We will continue to work with our colleagues in the weeks ahead to deliver the fundamental reforms that the American people want, need and deserve."

"I'm pleased by the progress we've made on the America's Affordable Health Choices Act. Across the political spectrum - from liberal to conservative with moderates in between - everyone knows health care is a major part of our current economic crisis," said U.S. Rep. John Dingell (D-MI), the Chairman Emeritus of the Energy and Commerce Committee. "If left unfixed, our health care crisis will cause the next great economic catastrophe. We can't afford to let medical costs continue to rise. We can't afford to leave people in a system that looks to recruit the healthy and leave the sick uninsured, underinsured or uncertain about their insurance. The current broken health care system will not fix itself and the people who made billions from it have no reason to change their ways unless we make them. The bill will address many of the problems we've heard from Americans whether they live in rural or urban communities, or are employed by small businesses and large factories. What we know now is that we must get something done."

"I am proud to join with my colleagues to introduce America's Affordable Health Choices Act. This bill meets President Obama's call for health reform that provides coverage for all, promotes delivery system reforms, and controls costs," said U.S. Rep. Pete Stark (D-CA), the Chairman of the Ways and Means Subcommittee on Health. "Our committee will begin markup this week and have a bill for members to approve before the August recess."

"People have talked about the need for health care reform for decades, but today that talk is being converted into action," said U.S. Rep. Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ) the Chairman of Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Health. "This plan will produce historic change but making history does not come easily. It's taken a lot of hard work and we have more work to do. This is a giant step forward that puts affordable and quality health care within reach of every American and puts our country back on track to fiscal sustainability."

"Today we are pleased to announce a plan designed to free financial waste within our health care system and get costs under control. This effort ensures that Americans receive better care for their dollar and paves the way for economic growth," said U.S. Rep. Rob Andrews (D-NJ), the Chairman of the Health, Employment, Labor and Pensions Subcommittee. "While government, businesses and insured Americans continue to bear the heavy financial burden for those who cannot afford coverage, limiting costs will free up the resources necessary to revitalize our economy, put Americans back to work, and expand health care to millions of struggling uninsured Americans."

The key principles of legislation include, among other things:

Increasing choice and competition. First, the bill will protect and improve consumers' choices.

* If an individual likes their current plan, they will be able to keep it.
* For individuals who either aren't currently covered, or wanted to enroll in a new health care plan, the proposal will establish a health care exchange where consumers can select from a menu of affordable, quality health care options: either a new public health insurance plan or a plan offered by private insurers. People will have similar choices that members of Congress have.
* This new marketplace will reduce costs, create competition that leads to better care for every American, and keep private insurers honest. Patients and doctors will have control over decisions about their health care, instead of insurance companies.

Giving Americans peace of mind. Second, the legislation will ensure that Americans have portable, secure health care plans - so that they won't lose care if their employer drops their plan or they lose their job.

* Every American who receives coverage through the exchange will have a plan that includes standardized, comprehensive and quality health care benefits.
* It will end increases in premiums or denials of care based on pre-existing conditions, age, race, or gender.
* The proposal will also eliminate co-pays for preventative care, cap out-of-pocket expenses, and guarantee catastrophic coverage that protects every American from bankruptcy.

Improving quality of care for every American. Third, the legislation will ensure that Americans of all ages, from young children to retirees have access to greater quality of care by focusing on prevention, wellness, and strengthening programs that work.

* Guarantees that every child in America will have health care coverage that includes dental and vision benefits.
* Provides better preventative and wellness care. Every health care plan offered through the exchange will cover preventative care.
* Grows the health care workforce to ensure that more doctors and nurses are available to provide quality care as more Americans get coverage.
* Strengthens Medicare and Medicaid so that seniors and low-income Americans receive better quality of care and see lower prescription drug costs and out-of-pocket expenses.

Ensuring shared responsibility. Fourth, the bill will ensure that individuals, employers, and the federal government all share responsibility for a quality and affordable health care system.

* Employers who currently offer coverage will be able to continue offering coverage to workers. Employers who don't currently offer coverage could choose to cover their workers or pay a penalty.
* All individuals would be required to get coverage, either through their employer or the exchange, or pay a penalty.
* The federal government will provide affordability credits, available on a sliding scale for low- and middle-income individuals and families to make premiums affordable and reduce cost-sharing.

Protecting consumers and reducing waste, fraud, and abuse. Fifth, the legislation will put the interests of consumers first, protect them from any problems in getting and keeping health care coverage, and reduce waste, fraud, and abuse.

* Provides complete transparency in plans in the health exchange so that consumers have the clear, complete information needed to select the plan that best meets their needs.
* Establishes Consumer Advocacy Offices as part of the exchange in order to protect consumers, answer questions, and assist with any problems related to their plans.
* Will identify and eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse by simplifying paperwork and other administrative burdens. Patients, doctors, nurses, insurance companies, providers, and employers will all encounter a streamlined, less confusing, more consumer friendly system.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1706:house-democrats-introduce-bill-to-provide-quality-affordable-health-care-for-all-americans&catid=122:media-advisories&Itemid=55

GetAClue
07-16-2009, 12:02 PM
From the article:



Ensuring shared responsibility. Fourth, the bill will ensure that individuals, employers, and the federal government all share responsibility for a quality and affordable health care system.

* Employers who currently offer coverage will be able to continue offering coverage to workers. Employers who don't currently offer coverage could choose to cover their workers or pay a penalty.

Never mind what this will do to small business. This will effectively put millions of people out of work when employers are faced with the choice of providing health INSURANCE (after all, employers do NOT provide Health care), pay a penalty or layoff enough employees to cover their costs. Call it greed all you want, but people start businesses to make a profit. They will do what is necessary to cut costs and make that profit. Some will just have to close the business. But after all, just a casualty of the greater good I suppose.



* All individuals would be required to get coverage, either through their employer or the exchange, or pay a penalty.

So much for freedom of choice! There goes more of our freedoms usurped to the government.



* The federal government will provide affordability credits, available on a sliding scale for low- and middle-income individuals and families to make premiums affordable and reduce cost-sharing.
And that will eventually be the end of competition. The government will drive private insurance out of business and become the sole provider of health insurance. But that seems to be the goal of the socialist minded politicians and their minions.

doctordog
07-16-2009, 12:07 PM
From the article:


Never mind what this will do to small business. This will effectively put millions of people out of work when employers are faced with the choice of providing health INSURANCE (after all, employers do NOT provide Health care), pay a penalty or layoff enough employees to cover their costs. Call it greed all you want, but people start businesses to make a profit. They will do what is necessary to cut costs and make that profit. Some will just have to close the business. But after all, just a casualty of the greater good I suppose.


So much for freedom of choice! There goes more of our freedoms usurped to the government.


And that will eventually be the end of competition. The government will drive private insurance out of business and become the sole provider of health insurance. But that seems to be the goal of the socialist minded politicians and their minions.

You will see incomes drop as businesses are forced to cover the cost. Everyone will be slaves working for nothing, but they will be insured, woo hoo!

mwillman
07-16-2009, 12:12 PM
You will see incomes drop as businesses are forced to cover the cost. Everyone will be slaves working for nothing, but they will be insured, woo hoo!


And unicorns will run through the fields dodging piles of gold.
Basically what I'm saying is you are writing fiction and that's not a good argument.

GetAClue
07-16-2009, 12:21 PM
And unicorns will run through the fields dodging piles of gold.
Basically what I'm saying is you are writing fiction and that's not a good argument.
It's called logic and common sense. I know quite a few small business owners that have stated that they will have to do this to survive if this bill becomes law. They are following it closely so that they can react as quickly as possible.

mwillman
07-16-2009, 12:25 PM
What you call logic I call fear mongering.
What you call common sense I call ignorance.

Your fantasies about the demise of this nation if we have health care for all is just stupid ignorant lies used by the right to justify their selfish greed.

The Professor
07-16-2009, 12:27 PM
1. the piece at the top of the page was written literally by the democratic party

2. passage thru the lesser senate COMMITTEE by 13 to 10 along party lines is not much to get too excited about

3. health care reform's real hurdle is senator baucus' finance committee

4. baucus is insisting on a bill that has at least some red fingerprints on it

5. bigears is on the other side, he wants a bill no matter what, even if sole ownership of it is 100% blue

6. the cbo has yet to score this thing

7. which leads all observers (get a tv) to note---just look at the hurry, hurry they exhibit, despite the inscrutable, kabbalistic complexity of this clump

8. as typical with planet-sized spending bills like this health care, half the above asterisks, the general ones, are lies

9. millions remain uninsured under this plan, we know that

10. the cost, recall, is still not determined

11. the propaganda piece, pure party partisanship, above talks about action in the senate, the real work is going on in the house

12. note how the piece was written by the house

13.. note how all the dozen or so dems quoted in it serve under pelosi, not reid

14. IF IT LOWERS COSTS AS IT CLAIMS WHY THE TAX INCREASES?, think for yourself

15. 1% on folks making 250G, 1.5% at 350, 5.4% "surcharge" for COUPLES over a million

16. this is the RANGEL PLAN

17. IT FINES INDIVIDUALS CAUGHT BREATHING WITHOUT MED INSURANCE, IT FINES COMPANIES WHO DO NOT COVER THEIR EMPLOYEES

18. exactly as driving is handled in CA, if you are caught driving uninsured, the fine is SEVERE, it was $1576 ten years ago when i was ticketed (wrongly, i never had to pay a penny)

19. upshot---this aint much of a victory, pure parliamentarianism

20. they're up against the august recess

21. its progress going forward is not clearly discernable from here

22. it's hanging up in the house over, among other things, pelosi/bigears' insistence that abortions on demand be funded

23. blue representatives, 22 of em, wrote a letter---they won't come on board under any circumstances if abortion is included

24. no one has yet questioned its coverage of illegals, that issue will EXPLODE in the senate

25. will the party come together to pass something to give the president some kind of win, no matter how piddly?

26. will baucus get his way and create something that a number of reds will touch?

27. NO WAY! you can forget about #26, ain't gonna happen, and NOT because of anything the reds do, pelosi/bigears WILL NOT compromise enough to get even a rhino to jump

28. will the congress come together to give their president some little bit of political cover?

29. that's the question

30. if they don't the democratic party as you know it is history

31. still, it's going to be EXTREMELY difficult

32. we'll see

33. to satisfy pelosi/obama they're gonna have to do something EXTREME like FINE folks (forcefully) for breathing without insurance

34. in other words, if they do pass something to cover bigears' skinny butt, they're gonna be 100% responsible for it

35. and the political backlash is gonna be severe

36. you really need to get a tv---LOLOL!

congrats on your big win in COMMITTEE yesterday, lobes lovers!

LOLOLOL!

GetAClue
07-16-2009, 12:30 PM
What you call logic I call fear mongering.
What you call common sense I call ignorance.

Your fantasies about the demise of this nation if we have health care for all is just stupid ignorant lies used by the right to justify their selfish greed.
I suppose you would. My guess is that you try to avoid both at all costs. That would explain your positions on such things as government sponsored healthcare, cap and trade and just about every short sighted liberal idea to come down the pike.

You never fail to disappoint Willy.

The Professor
07-16-2009, 12:36 PM
we also know now that for 3 days a lot of work has been done on this bill in the house, which is where rubber meets road on this thing

and exactly what's going on down there is pretty much hush hush

which, right there, tells you all you need to know

i have heard about the bluedogs saying NO to abortion

the point---no one's heard much of anything beyond that

except they're working, they're working

they're having trouble is what they're doing

in the house

this bill is in giant trouble

once more pelosi/bigears are going too fast FOR THEIR OWN PARTY

dang, they're crummy at politics

LOL!

just wait til cbo scores it

just wait til the senate brings up illegals

don't blame me or us, we're just watching

you should be thankful for the little bit of honest reporting and analysis you're finally getting

you're welcome

and once more, sincerely---congrats!

doctordog
07-16-2009, 12:55 PM
And unicorns will run through the fields dodging piles of gold.
Basically what I'm saying is you are writing fiction and that's not a good argument.

It is only fiction to you because you are not accustomed to budgeting a business for a return

The Professor
07-16-2009, 01:12 PM
congressman mike ross from arkansas says the bill is losing support and stuck in committee

energy and commerce committee

ross, a leader of bluedog coalition, says he had 7 on the committee opposed last friday

now he has 10

it's the cost that's the hangup, he says

if there aren't changes made to satisfy his group, the bill will not pass, he says

fox news reported this morning

cliff

again, GET a tv---LOLOL!

just kidding

congrats, once more, on the senate committee passage yesterday

that's EXCITING!

such an HISTORIC presidency!

LOLOL!

i'm kidding, have a good one, you all

radioguy
07-16-2009, 01:56 PM
I suppose you would. My guess is that you try to avoid both at all costs. That would explain your positions on such things as government sponsored healthcare, cap and trade and just about every short sighted liberal idea to come down the pike.

You never fail to disappoint Willy.

When are you all going to learn, that he isn't capable of logical debate. All he ever does is spout liberal talking points.

That's why I don't waste my time responding to him anymore.

.

GetAClue
07-16-2009, 02:18 PM
When are you all going to learn, that he isn't capable of logical debate. All he ever does is spout liberal talking points.

That's why I don't waste my time responding to him anymore.

.
Yea, I know, but it's kind of like passing an accident on the highway, you just have to look. That's how I see Willy, but more like a train wreck.

The Professor
07-16-2009, 02:47 PM
a frustrated max baucus said today, "the president is not helping us," referring to bigears' unwilllingness to bend on the details of the plan in question

source: major garrett

here's a link to the ross story referred to above:

http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=200907151403dowjonesdjonline000 758&title=centrist-dem-leaderhas-committee-votes-to-block-health-bill

when The on-top-of-things Prof reported to you previously relative to Ross, the piece was so pristine it had not yet appeared in print

also, it was told yesterday that bigears, thru phone man rahm emanuel, was offering individual blues in nancy's house---he'll travel to their home districts and campaign for them personally, if that helps

ie, he's pulling out all the stops

you are all correct---THIS is the cutting edge, THE major front in our political proceedings now, the crucial battlefield

it bears close watching

if you hear something, by all means let us know

cliff

The Professor
07-16-2009, 02:56 PM
on the other side, 50 house progressives have vowed to oppose any bill that does not include a public option, which even the far reaching rangel plan does not boast

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/15/leaked-more-than-fifty-ho_n_234425.html

politics is difficult, huh, friends?

LOLOL!

The Professor
07-16-2009, 03:01 PM
ben nelson tells bigears to slow down

dang, this is one DUMB president

i really empathize with you guys

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/16/nelson-plans-to-tell-obam_n_235579.html

Surfrider
07-16-2009, 04:51 PM
http://sathyasaibaba.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/barack-obama.jpgPresident Barack Obama

"I will make sure that we have a health care system that allows for everyone to have basic coverage.
McCain talked about providing a $5,000 health credit. Now, what he doesn’t tell you is that he intends to, for the first time in history, tax health benefits. So you may end up getting a $5,000 tax credit. Here’s the only problem: Your employer now has to pay taxes on the health care that you’re getting from your employer, and if you end up losing your health care from your employer, you’ve got to go out on the open market and try to buy it. It is not a good deal for the American people."

Source: 2008 first presidential debate, Obama vs. McCain Sep 26, 2008

doctordog
07-16-2009, 04:55 PM
http://sathyasaibaba.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/barack-obama.jpgPresident Barack Obama

"I will make sure that we have a health care system that allows for everyone to have basic coverage.
McCain talked about providing a $5,000 health credit. Now, what he doesn’t tell you is that he intends to, for the first time in history, tax health benefits. So you may end up getting a $5,000 tax credit. Here’s the only problem: Your employer now has to pay taxes on the health care that you’re getting from your employer, and if you end up losing your health care from your employer, you’ve got to go out on the open market and try to buy it. It is not a good deal for the American people."

Source: 2008 first presidential debate, Obama vs. McCain Sep 26, 2008

What lying piece of shit!

The Professor
07-16-2009, 05:41 PM
http://sathyasaibaba.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/barack-obama.jpgPresident Barack Obama

"I will make sure that we have a health care system that allows for everyone to have basic coverage.
McCain talked about providing a $5,000 health credit. Now, what he doesn’t tell you is that he intends to, for the first time in history, tax health benefits. So you may end up getting a $5,000 tax credit. Here’s the only problem: Your employer now has to pay taxes on the health care that you’re getting from your employer, and if you end up losing your health care from your employer, you’ve got to go out on the open market and try to buy it. It is not a good deal for the American people."

Source: 2008 first presidential debate, Obama vs. McCain Sep 26, 2008

either surfrider has cynically turned bigears opponent

or he continues his performance as the most stunningly misinformed of all the junkies

more gaffe-able, if less affable, than laughable joe biden

LOLOL!

because the single most egregious case of flip flop performed by this president is his willingness now to tax those very benefits he assailed john mccain for trying to tap during the campaign

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jlMpJGn28kqCcgU-aGcYE_ZHW-ywD991DTCG0

for goodness sake, please! GET A TV!!!

watch it!

before you post next time turn on the news!

LOLOLOLOL!

mwillman
07-16-2009, 05:46 PM
It is only fiction to you because you are not accustomed to budgeting a business for a return

No its fiction becuase it has nothing to do with reality.

You can paint all the Armageddon scenarios you want but in the end its just you creating bullshit to support your unwillingness to support anything that helps Americans. You would much rather we were killing other people.

The Professor
07-16-2009, 06:01 PM
a progressive group started by howard dean plans to target individual blue senators opposed to the (already dead) public option

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/16/progressive-groups-team-u_n_236359.html

dang, leadership is a BITCH!

LOLOLOL!

kres24GT
07-16-2009, 06:04 PM
A huge win for Big Government, Big Business and those who favor the fascist police state.

The Professor
07-16-2009, 06:13 PM
oh, no, friend, it's a HUGE LOSS

the party is literally falling apart over it

with bigears loudly and idiotically in the lead

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_82f5d0c6-2998-5977-b58c-3e30df5ccfef.html

the link above describes how max baucus is the number one recipient of cash from medical insurance industry

presumably, therefore, prime target of dean's group

LOLOLOL!

Surfrider
07-16-2009, 06:56 PM
A huge win for Big Government, Big Business and those who favor the fascist police state.


Let's hear it for Big Government!

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The Professor
07-16-2009, 07:13 PM
ouch

doug elmendorf, mr cbo, before kent conrad's committee (finance) today provided THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES moment

elmendorf says that contrary to lowering actual costs of doing medical business the plans he's looked at coming out of various committees rather instead increase those costs

SIGNIFICANTLY, he said

also, he's really bothered that the dems, for whatever reason (he didn't say that their only motive was to cover skinny presidential ass), would even contemplate CUTS in medicare and medicaid

the democratic party TODAY at breakneck speed is actually considering CUTS TO MEDICARE AND MEDICAID merely to provide political protection for their expanding presidential problem

read it and weep, folks, cuz health care is no more

bury health care, the patient expired

it rather looks like she was OVER doctored, if anything

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/cbo-sees-no-federal-cost-savings-in-dem-health-plans.html

please join in singing to the heart wrenching tune (always performed by a bugler solo) of military farewell, TAPS:

say goodbye
lib'rals cry
dems deny
their own guy
they won't buy
why oh why
did it die?
say goodbye

moment of silence, all...

Surfrider
07-16-2009, 07:21 PM
AMA Speaks Out for House Bill on Health Care

Posted: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:02 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: Congress, Economy

From NBC's Mark Murray
In what appears to be a pretty significant development in the fight over health care, the American Medical Association has written House Ways and Means Committee Chairman
Charlie Rangel

a letter supporting the $1 trillion-plus Democratic House health-care bill.

"On behalf of the Board of Trustees of the American Medical Association, I am writing to express our appreciation and support for H.R. 3200, the 'America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009,'" says Dr. Michael Maves, the AMA's executive vice president and CEO.

"This legislation includes a broad range of provisions that are key to effective, comprehensive health system reform. We urge members of the House Education and Labor, Energy and Commerce, and Ways and Means Committees to favorably report H.R. 3200 for consideration by the full House."

Maves concludes, "The AMA looks forward to further constructive dialogue during the committee mark-up process. We pledge to work with the House committees and leadership to build support for passage of health reform legislation to expand access to high quality, affordable health care for all Americans."

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/09/27/PH2008092702719.jpg

Below is the full letter....

July 16, 2009
The Honorable Charles B. Rangel
Chairman, Committee on Ways and Means
U.S. House of Representatives
1102 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Chairman Rangel:

On behalf of the Board of Trustees of the American Medical Association, I am writing to express our appreciation and support for H.R. 3200, the "America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009." This legislation includes a broad range of provisions that are key to effective, comprehensive health system reform. We urge members of the House Education and Labor, Energy and Commerce, and Ways and Means Committees to favorably report H.R. 3200 for consideration by the full House.

In particular, we are pleased that the bill:
• Promises to extend coverage to all Americans through health insurance market reforms;
• Provides consumers with a choice of plans through a health insurance exchange;
• Includes essential health insurance reforms such as eliminating coverage denials based on pre-existing conditions;
• Recognizes that fundamental Medicare reforms, including repeal of the sustainable growth rate formula, are essential to the success of broader health system reforms;
• Encourages chronic disease management and care coordination through additional funding for primary care services, without imposing offsetting payment reductions on specialty care;
• Addresses growing physician workforce concerns;
• Strengthens the Medicaid program;
• Requires individuals to have health insurance, and provides premium assistance to those who cannot afford it;
• Includes prevention and wellness initiatives designed to keep Americans healthy;
• Makes needed improvements to the Physician Quality Reporting Initiative that will enable greater participation by physicians; and
• Initiates significant payment and delivery reforms by encouraging participation in new models such as accountable care organizations and the patient-centered medical home.

The AMA looks forward to further constructive dialogue during the committee mark-up process. We pledge to work with the House committees and leadership to build support for passage of health reform legislation to expand access to high quality, affordable health care for all Americans.

This year, the AMA wants the debate in Washington to conclude with real, long overdue results that will improve the health of America's patients.

Sincerely,
Michael D. Maves, MD, MBA


http://medgadget.com/archives/img/AMA-logo-old.bmp

California Chrome
07-16-2009, 07:26 PM
read it and weep, folks, cuz health care is no more

bury health care, the patient expired

it rather looks like she was OVER doctored, if anything

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/cbo-sees-no-federal-cost-savings-in-dem-health-plans.html

please join in singing to the heart wrenching tune (always performed by a bugler solo) of military farewell, TAPS:

say goodbye
lib'rals cry
dems deny
their own guy
they won't buy
why oh why
did it die?
say goodbye

moment of silence, all...Yep.


Centrist Dem Leader: Has Committee Votes To Block Health Bill

By Martin Vaughan, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- U.S. Rep.D-Ark., a leader of fiscally conservative House Democrats, said Wednesday a House plan to overhaul the U.S. health-care system is losing support and will be stuck in committee without changes.

"Last time I checked, it takes seven Democrats to stop a bill in the Energy and Committee," Ross told reporters after a House vote. "We had seven against it last Friday; we have 10 today."


Whoops!

Life_Long_Dem!
07-17-2009, 12:23 PM
This afternoon the President was joined by members of the American Nurses Association in the Rose Garden, where he spoke strongly on the urgent need for health care reform. He explained that the status quo is not an option, and that deferring reform is akin to defending that status quo.
The President praised nurses as an essential component to our health care system, saying without them, many in underserved areas would not receive health care at all. Because they work so closely with patients, nurses know as well as anybody why reform is desperately needed:
And that's why it's safe to say that few understand why we have to pass reform as intimately as our nation's nurses. They see firsthand the heartbreaking costs of our health care crisis. They hear the same stories that I've heard across this country -- of treatment deferred or coverage denied by insurance companies; of insurance premiums and prescriptions that are so expensive they consume a family's entire budget; of Americans forced to use the emergency room for something as simple as a sore throat just because they can't afford to see a doctor.
And they understand that this is a problem that we can no longer defer. We can't kick the can down the road any longer. Deferring reform is nothing more than defending the status quo -- and those who would oppose our efforts should take a hard look at just what it is that they're defending. Over the last decade, health insurance premiums have risen three times faster than wages. Deductibles and out-of-pocket costs are skyrocketing. And every single day we wait to act, thousands of Americans lose their insurance, some turning to nurses in emergency rooms as their only recourse.
Rising costs are unsustainable, which is why reform benefits all Americans, whether they are insured or not. The President assured that those who like their health care can keep it, and reform will save you money by bringing down costs, providing more choices, and keeping insurance companies honest. Inaction is not an option, but real progress is being made. The President commended the hard work being done in Congress as key committees in the House and Senate have put forth their plans:
Yesterday, the House introduced its health reform proposal. Today, thanks to the unyielding passion and inspiration of our friend Ted Kennedy, and to the bold leadership of Senator Chris Dodd, the Senate HELP Committee reached a major milestone by passing a similarly strong proposal for health reform. It's a plan that was debated for more than 50 hours and that, by the way, includes 160 Republican amendments -- a hopeful sign of bipartisan support for the final product, if people are serious about bipartisanship.

Both proposals will take what's best about our system today and make it the basis for our system tomorrow -- reducing costs, raising quality, and ensuring fair treatment of consumers by the insurance industry. Both include a health insurance exchange, a marketplace that will allow families and small businesses to compare prices, services, and the quality, so they can choose the plan that best suits their needs. And among the choices available would be a public health insurance option that would make health care more affordable by increasing competition, providing more choices, and keeping insurance companies honest. Both proposals will offer stability and security to Americans who have coverage today, and affordable options to those who don't.
The President emphasized that we will get health care reform done, because Americans need reform to succeed: for the patients, families, businesses, hospitals, doctors and nurses:

America's nurses need us to succeed, not just on behalf of the patients that they sometimes speak for. If we invest in prevention, nurses won't have to treat diseases or complications that could have been avoided. If we modernize health records, we'll streamline the paperwork that can take up more than one-third of the average nurse's day, freeing them to spend more time with their patients. If we make their jobs a little bit easier, we can attract and train the young nurses we need to make up a nursing shortage that's only getting worse. Nurses do their part every time they check another healthy patient out of the hospital. It's now time for us to do our part.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Nurses-Join-the-Call-for-Health-Care-Reform/

The Professor
07-17-2009, 12:32 PM
there's no news in that, nothing happened

it's just a statement of the argument

we all know the argument, you're wasting our time

we want news

in other words, tell it baucus, conrad, ross, cooper, nelson, elmondorf, the 55 and the 50

LOLOLOL!

GetAClue
07-17-2009, 12:41 PM
This afternoon the President was joined by members of the American Nurses Association in the Rose Garden, where he spoke strongly on the urgent need for health care reform. He explained that the status quo is not an option, and that deferring reform is akin to defending that status quo.
The President praised nurses as an essential component to our health care system, saying without them, many in underserved areas would not receive health care at all. Because they work so closely with patients, nurses know as well as anybody why reform is desperately needed:
And that's why it's safe to say that few understand why we have to pass reform as intimately as our nation's nurses. They see firsthand the heartbreaking costs of our health care crisis. They hear the same stories that I've heard across this country -- of treatment deferred or coverage denied by insurance companies; of insurance premiums and prescriptions that are so expensive they consume a family's entire budget; of Americans forced to use the emergency room for something as simple as a sore throat just because they can't afford to see a doctor.
And they understand that this is a problem that we can no longer defer. We can't kick the can down the road any longer. Deferring reform is nothing more than defending the status quo -- and those who would oppose our efforts should take a hard look at just what it is that they're defending. Over the last decade, health insurance premiums have risen three times faster than wages. Deductibles and out-of-pocket costs are skyrocketing. And every single day we wait to act, thousands of Americans lose their insurance, some turning to nurses in emergency rooms as their only recourse.
Rising costs are unsustainable, which is why reform benefits all Americans, whether they are insured or not. The President assured that those who like their health care can keep it, and reform will save you money by bringing down costs, providing more choices, and keeping insurance companies honest. Inaction is not an option, but real progress is being made. The President commended the hard work being done in Congress as key committees in the House and Senate have put forth their plans:
Yesterday, the House introduced its health reform proposal. Today, thanks to the unyielding passion and inspiration of our friend Ted Kennedy, and to the bold leadership of Senator Chris Dodd, the Senate HELP Committee reached a major milestone by passing a similarly strong proposal for health reform. It's a plan that was debated for more than 50 hours and that, by the way, includes 160 Republican amendments -- a hopeful sign of bipartisan support for the final product, if people are serious about bipartisanship.

Both proposals will take what's best about our system today and make it the basis for our system tomorrow -- reducing costs, raising quality, and ensuring fair treatment of consumers by the insurance industry. Both include a health insurance exchange, a marketplace that will allow families and small businesses to compare prices, services, and the quality, so they can choose the plan that best suits their needs. And among the choices available would be a public health insurance option that would make health care more affordable by increasing competition, providing more choices, and keeping insurance companies honest. Both proposals will offer stability and security to Americans who have coverage today, and affordable options to those who don't.
The President emphasized that we will get health care reform done, because Americans need reform to succeed: for the patients, families, businesses, hospitals, doctors and nurses:

America's nurses need us to succeed, not just on behalf of the patients that they sometimes speak for. If we invest in prevention, nurses won't have to treat diseases or complications that could have been avoided. If we modernize health records, we'll streamline the paperwork that can take up more than one-third of the average nurse's day, freeing them to spend more time with their patients. If we make their jobs a little bit easier, we can attract and train the young nurses we need to make up a nursing shortage that's only getting worse. Nurses do their part every time they check another healthy patient out of the hospital. It's now time for us to do our part.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Nurses-Join-the-Call-for-Health-Care-Reform/
Here is part of the problem. Obama marches out a few nurses to tell you of the plight of people in hospitals saying we need to reform Healthcare because the system is broke.

But the last I checked, the Healthcare system in the United States is the greatest system in the world. Where else do world leaders go for their care? They all come here. We have the greatest innovative system and the world and everyone knows it.

At issue is how to fund it. Some say let the insurance companies handle it and others want the government to take care of it. But to bring out some nurses to discuss the finances around insurance companies is like bringing out a coal miner to discuss nuclear energy.

What an idiot. He is simply trying to play on the sympathies of those that cannot make sense of the issue, you know, liberals. He is attempting to appeal to those people that base their political and financial futures on how it makes them feel.

Why would he do that? It’s because he does not have a compelling argument that stands the test of logic and common sense. He HAS to appeal to emotions to pass this insane proposal off to the intellectually deficient that are too dumb or lazy to think this thing thru. But after all, that’s how he got elected.

The Professor
07-17-2009, 01:04 PM
Here is part of the problem. Obama marches out a few nurses to tell you of the plight of people in hospitals saying we need to reform Healthcare because the system is broke.

But the last I checked, the Healthcare system in the United States is the greatest system in the world. Where else do world leaders go for their care? They all come here. We have the greatest innovative system and the world and everyone knows it.

At issue is how to fund it. Some say let the insurance companies handle it and others want the government to take care of it. But to bring out some nurses to discuss the finances around insurance companies is like bringing out a coal miner to discuss nuclear energy.

What an idiot. He is simply trying to play on the sympathies of those that cannot make sense of the issue, you know, liberals. He is attempting to appeal to those people that base their political and financial futures on how it makes them feel.

Why would he do that? It’s because he does not have a compelling argument that stands the test of logic and common sense. He HAS to appeal to emotions to pass this insane proposal off to the intellectually deficient that are too dumb or lazy to think this thing thru. But after all, that’s how he got elected.

you are 1000% verbatim to-the-letter correct

absolutely, totally

but you're arguing the merits of it, health care

is it right or is it wrong?

that entire discussion is for kids

WE HAVE ALL MADE UP OUR MINDS ON THAT QUESTION

IT IS NOT THE QUESTION FACING US TODAY, NOW, HERE, WHERE REAL STUFF HAPPENS

IS IT WINNING OR IS IT LOSING IS THE ONLY INTERESTING QUESTION FOR US, YOU, ME, PRETTY MUCH ALL THE JUNKIES

and it's losing, no, not losing, LOST

it's DEAD

why talk about whether it's GOOD or BAD?

when it's DEAD?

we'd be talking about clouds, dreams, fantasies...

ie, for kids

POLITICS IS ON THE ROAD, man

and bigears' health care is ROAD KILL

THAT's the STORY

with all due respect

your friend and admirer, sincerely, cliff

it's dead, friend, stop sweating it

ask baucus, conrad, dean, cooper, ross, nelson, the 55 and the 50...

especially baucus, the gatekeeper

and elmendorf, the mathematician (ie, grownup)

kres24GT
07-17-2009, 01:22 PM
How do we pay for it?

GetAClue
07-17-2009, 01:51 PM
How do we pay for it?
Well, IMO the first thing to do is to get cost under control. Not as Obama and the Democrats would do it by freezing for cutting Doctors pay or restricting or limiting medical services. I think the first thing you do is initiate Tort Reform. We should make an effort to reduce the amount of money spent each year on frivolous law suits.

Next we should allow people to shop for insurance plans across state lines thus driving up competition. How ludicrous is it that we confine people to shopping around for insurance to within their own state.

After that, we need to do something to change people’s perception of what medical insurance is supposed to cover. If you feel you need to see your doctor every time you get a runny nose or a cough, why should the rest of us (those participating in that particular plan), have to pay for it? Medical Insurance was developed originally to cover catastrophic costs incurred due to unexpected illness or accidents. Not to cover you for every time you think you need a prescription for an illness that will go away with or with out the medication.

I would love to see insurance companies that will offer plans tailored in that fashion. I will pay my own doctors visits and mindless prescriptions. However, if I end up in the hospital, my insurance would kick in. I believe that plan would cost considerably less than the plans offered now.

kres24GT
07-17-2009, 01:57 PM
Well, IMO the first thing to do is to get cost under control. Not as Obama and the Democrats would do it by freezing for cutting Doctors pay or restricting or limiting medical services. I think the first thing you do is initiate Tort Reform. We should make an effort to reduce the amount of money spent each year on frivolous law suits.

Next we should allow people to shop for insurance plans across state lines thus driving up competition. How ludicrous is it that we confine people to shopping around for insurance to within their own state.

After that, we need to do something to change people’s perception of what medical insurance is supposed to cover. If you feel you need to see your doctor every time you get a runny nose or a cough, why should the rest of us (those participating in that particular plan), have to pay for it? Medical Insurance was developed originally to cover catastrophic costs incurred due to unexpected illness or accidents. Not to cover you for every time you think you need a prescription for an illness that will go away with or with out the medication.

I would love to see insurance companies that will offer plans tailored in that fashion. I will pay my own doctors visits and mindless prescriptions. However, if I end up in the hospital, my insurance would kick in. I believe that plan would cost considerably less than the plans offered now.


I would also say we will see a lot of new laws regarding food. What we can and can't eat. Things like trans fat bans will be national. Also activities that are deemed to be high risk will also be made illegal, such as contact sports, rock climbing, etc. There will be a lot of restriction of freedom to keep costs under control. Also forced doctor's visits to make sure preventive medicine takes place.

GetAClue
07-17-2009, 02:06 PM
I would also say we will see a lot of new laws regarding food. What we can and can't eat. Things like trans fat bans will be national. Also activities that are deemed to be high risk will also be made illegal, such as contact sports, rock climbing, etc. There will be a lot of restriction of freedom to keep costs under control. Also forced doctor's visits to make sure preventive medicine takes place.
Well, that's one way to go, but I for one will not relinquish my freedoms for that. I would rather pay the increased health care costs rather than give up my rights to live as I choose.

I would rather that people just accept that it is their responsibility to take care of themselves. Quit blaming McDonalds for the fact that they order 3 Big Macs for lunch.

kres24GT
07-17-2009, 02:34 PM
Well, that's one way to go, but I for one will not relinquish my freedoms for that. I would rather pay the increased health care costs rather than give up my rights to live as I choose.

I would rather that people just accept that it is their responsibility to take care of themselves. Quit blaming McDonalds for the fact that they order 3 Big Macs for lunch.


Really won't be much of a choice. The reason we have to have government forced health plans is people won't get them on their own. People won't eat healthy, exercise, or be safe on their own either, they will have to be forced to.

GetAClue
07-17-2009, 02:39 PM
Really won't be much of a choice. The reason we have to have government forced health plans is people won't get them on their own. People won't eat healthy, exercise, or be safe on their own either, they will have to be forced to.
But again, it is a personal responsibility. Maybe if Insurance companies required people to get check ups every so often and then adjusted their rates based on their overall health, the extra costs would be incentive for people to live healthier life styles.

And if people don't have insurance and end up in the hospital, garnish their wages to pay their bills. I don't know.

There are a lot of issues. But to simply put the government in charge of paying for it does not address the fundamental issue and that is the cost. Until things are done to bring costs under control, we will continue to have issues.

kres24GT
07-17-2009, 02:50 PM
But again, it is a personal responsibility. Maybe if Insurance companies required people to get check ups every so often and then adjusted their rates based on their overall health, the extra costs would be incentive for people to live healthier life styles.

And if people don't have insurance and end up in the hospital, garnish their wages to pay their bills. I don't know.

There are a lot of issues. But to simply put the government in charge of paying for it does not address the fundamental issue and that is the cost. Until things are done to bring costs under control, we will continue to have issues.


The people have spoken the want a Big Government solution so that they do not have to be responsible for themselves, that means less freedom for us all.

Surfrider
07-17-2009, 09:22 PM
This afternoon the President was joined by members of the American Nurses Association in the Rose Garden, where he spoke strongly on the urgent need for health care reform. He explained that the status quo is not an option, and that deferring reform is akin to defending that status quo.
The President praised nurses as an essential component to our health care system, saying without them, many in underserved areas would not receive health care at all. Because they work so closely with patients, nurses know as well as anybody why reform is desperately needed:
And that's why it's safe to say that few understand why we have to pass reform as intimately as our nation's nurses. They see firsthand the heartbreaking costs of our health care crisis. They hear the same stories that I've heard across this country -- of treatment deferred or coverage denied by insurance companies; of insurance premiums and prescriptions that are so expensive they consume a family's entire budget; of Americans forced to use the emergency room for something as simple as a sore throat just because they can't afford to see a doctor.
And they understand that this is a problem that we can no longer defer. We can't kick the can down the road any longer. Deferring reform is nothing more than defending the status quo -- and those who would oppose our efforts should take a hard look at just what it is that they're defending. Over the last decade, health insurance premiums have risen three times faster than wages. Deductibles and out-of-pocket costs are skyrocketing. And every single day we wait to act, thousands of Americans lose their insurance, some turning to nurses in emergency rooms as their only recourse.
Rising costs are unsustainable, which is why reform benefits all Americans, whether they are insured or not. The President assured that those who like their health care can keep it, and reform will save you money by bringing down costs, providing more choices, and keeping insurance companies honest. Inaction is not an option, but real progress is being made. The President commended the hard work being done in Congress as key committees in the House and Senate have put forth their plans:
Yesterday, the House introduced its health reform proposal. Today, thanks to the unyielding passion and inspiration of our friend Ted Kennedy, and to the bold leadership of Senator Chris Dodd, the Senate HELP Committee reached a major milestone by passing a similarly strong proposal for health reform. It's a plan that was debated for more than 50 hours and that, by the way, includes 160 Republican amendments -- a hopeful sign of bipartisan support for the final product, if people are serious about bipartisanship.

Both proposals will take what's best about our system today and make it the basis for our system tomorrow -- reducing costs, raising quality, and ensuring fair treatment of consumers by the insurance industry. Both include a health insurance exchange, a marketplace that will allow families and small businesses to compare prices, services, and the quality, so they can choose the plan that best suits their needs. And among the choices available would be a public health insurance option that would make health care more affordable by increasing competition, providing more choices, and keeping insurance companies honest. Both proposals will offer stability and security to Americans who have coverage today, and affordable options to those who don't.
The President emphasized that we will get health care reform done, because Americans need reform to succeed: for the patients, families, businesses, hospitals, doctors and nurses:

America's nurses need us to succeed, not just on behalf of the patients that they sometimes speak for. If we invest in prevention, nurses won't have to treat diseases or complications that could have been avoided. If we modernize health records, we'll streamline the paperwork that can take up more than one-third of the average nurse's day, freeing them to spend more time with their patients. If we make their jobs a little bit easier, we can attract and train the young nurses we need to make up a nursing shortage that's only getting worse. Nurses do their part every time they check another healthy patient out of the hospital. It's now time for us to do our part.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Nurses-Join-the-Call-for-Health-Care-Reform/


LISTEN TO THE NURSES, THEY ARE RUNNING THE HOSPITALS. THEY KNOW MORE THAN THE DOCTORS ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON IN HEALTH CARE. THEN AGAIN, ANYONE KNOWS MORE THAN THE DOCTORS!

http://www.actionnurses.com/assets/nurses.jpg

California Chrome
07-17-2009, 09:29 PM
Well, IMO the first thing to do is to get cost under control. Not as Obama and the Democrats would do it by freezing for cutting Doctors pay or restricting or limiting medical services. I think the first thing you do is initiate Tort Reform. We should make an effort to reduce the amount of money spent each year on frivolous law suits.

Next we should allow people to shop for insurance plans across state lines thus driving up competition. How ludicrous is it that we confine people to shopping around for insurance to within their own state.

After that, we need to do something to change people’s perception of what medical insurance is supposed to cover. If you feel you need to see your doctor every time you get a runny nose or a cough, why should the rest of us (those participating in that particular plan), have to pay for it? Medical Insurance was developed originally to cover catastrophic costs incurred due to unexpected illness or accidents. Not to cover you for every time you think you need a prescription for an illness that will go away with or with out the medication.

I would love to see insurance companies that will offer plans tailored in that fashion. I will pay my own doctors visits and mindless prescriptions. However, if I end up in the hospital, my insurance would kick in. I believe that plan would cost considerably less than the plans offered now.Exactly.

Insurance is meant to prevent financial devastation, not to pay for every bandaid and doctor's office visit. Just as you don't bill your car insurance for gas and a new car battery, it is maintenance and I'm willing to pay for it.

doctordog
07-17-2009, 11:27 PM
OOPS Here is the latest casualties for July of people that missed their needed surgery in Canada

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