The Pope is a Dope

[imgonnaeaturlunch]

The Pope, by threatening catholics who endorse abortion from receiving communion, is trying to put the catholic church in bed with Jerry Fartwell & Pat Robberson. This is a blatant attempt to keep progressive catholics from running for political office. The Pope needs to quit pissing people off in the country where the catholic church receives its largest financial support. Otherwise, all they'll be saying about this guy is " this Pope is a dope". If the Pope was really concerned about abortion he'd suggest sex ed in school & making contraception available.

[Linkster]

If he suggested sex ed and condoms he would go against different policies of the church which teach abstinence so he's not gonna do that

As far as politics - anyone using religion as a basis for running for office or making their decision to vote based on religion is a true anti-patriot and un-American as it goes against the very fiber and makeup of the entire Republic

[AJ]

If he suggested sex ed and condoms he would go against different policies of the church which teach abstinence so he's not gonna do that

As far as politics - anyone using religion as a basis for running for office or making their decision to vote based on religion is a true anti-patriot and un-American as it goes against the very fiber and makeup of the entire Republic

A church is a private institution. They have the right to refuse anything to anyone they want.
I would like to remind you and everyone here that this country was founded on Religious principles by great men of faith. If you have a problem with that then please move to Europe.
this is a democracy. 85% of this country is Christian

[Linkster]

AJ - you might want to check your facts - the founding fathers were far from Christian and in some cases thought religion was a scourge brought upon the world and hated it - which is why most of the recommended religious text that had been suggested for the Costitution was struck out and words were specifically put in there to keep religion out of politics

And I guess my point has been made for me - this is not a democracy - it is a republic - big difference - and the fact that 85% of the country is stupid doesnt surprise me in the least - it shows every day

[Mr. Blue]

Go Free Masons Go! Oops, well yeah the founding fathers really did try to incorporate the masonic principles over religious doctrine.

[Betty Blowtorch]

If he [the pope] suggested sex ed and condoms,
he would go against different policies of the church
which teach abstinence, so he's not gonna do that.
Yeah. Right. The Christlike purity http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5217/priestwithaltarboygj2.jpg
of sexual abstinence. Doesn't it just
warm the cockles of your heart?

If only the Church had done a more effective job
of teaching sexual abstinence to its own priests,
millions of innocent young boys might have been
spared the "fun" of getting fucked in the ass by
God's emissaries.

And since the Church has a strict policy against
the use of condoms, we must assume that every
time a priest reaches orgasm with his erect cock
inside a little boy's asshole, the man of God fills
the lucky boy's anus with the juicy, gooey gift
of God's eternal love.

I mean, condoms are sinful, right?

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[TheRightWing]

The Pope, by threatening catholics who endorse abortion from receiving communion, is trying to put the catholic church in bed with Jerry Fartwell & Pat Robberson. This is a blatant attempt to keep progressive catholics from running for political office. The Pope needs to quit pissing people off in the country where the catholic church receives its largest financial support. Otherwise, all they'll be saying about this guy is " this Pope is a dope". If the Pope was really concerned about abortion he'd suggest sex ed in school & making contraception available.

The Pope is not being a hypocrite to his faith and not changing his beliefs to suit a progressive movement. Being a person of faith I follow the tenets of my faith first and foremost. If people want to fake being "religious" that's their problem, not the churches problem, so I don't know what your problem is with the Pope.

You have a problem with the Pope because he's not being a hypocrite to his faith?

[TheRightWing]

If only the Church had done a more effective job
of teaching sexual abstinence to its own priests,
millions of innocent young boys might have been
spared the "fun" of getting fucked in the ass by
God's emissaries.

There's been unfortunate incidents in the church, however, you're condemning a whole faith on the actions of a few. Also your "millions" comment is highly exaggerated.

Generalizations are the crutch of the weak minded. There's been many wonderful people that served the Catholic faith tirelessly and have given their lives to do good. I realize you'll never acknowledge those people of faith.

And since the Church has a strict policy against
the use of condoms

Abstinence till marriage is a tenet of their faith. You may disagree with it, but people that are of that faith should follow the rules of the faith and not make themselves a hypocrite to the faith.

[Linkster]

TheRightWing - I totally agree that it is not limited to one faith - the only reason it has come to the forefront for one religion is the medias' (mostly Jewish owned) preoccupation with one faith

The real numbers are hard to come by but the one that actually used surveys of the priesthood within the church showed that 4% of catholic priests admitted to sex with their parishioners - that means that a person (I dont limit it to children as most priests actually had consenting sex with teens that were over 16) has a 1 in 25 chance of having sex with a catholic priest based on the total numbers given of 110,000 active priests since the 1950s (which was what the study run by the bishops found)

The fact that it has not been covered for other faiths has to do with the increased consequences (I believe) that would fall to a complainer in other faiths where the community would have a higher impact on that person telling the truth - wheras the media has made it a little easier for those in the catholic faith to "come out"

Of course most of this requires that a person have a weak mind in the first place to accept religion into their life - something I'm glad I was able to avoid all of my life and gave me the ability to enjoy an un-encumbered faithless life :)

[TheRightWing]

TheRightWing - I totally agree that it is not limited to one faith - the only reason it has come to the forefront for one religion is the medias' (mostly Jewish owned) preoccupation with one faith

The real numbers are hard to come by but the one that actually used surveys of the priesthood within the church showed that 4% of catholic priests admitted to sex with their parishioners - that means that a person (I dont limit it to children as most priests actually had consenting sex with teens that were over 16) has a 1 in 25 chance of having sex with a catholic priest based on the total numbers given of 110,000 active priests since the 1950s (which was what the study run by the bishops found)

Sick people will always exist and they will exist in all areas of faith, muslim, christian, or aetheist. The generalizations made against the catholic faith is by far overreaching in all regards.

However, it seems that it's acceptable to attack a person of the Christian faith while ignoring the abuses of all other religions and all other individuals. By doing so the media ignores that the problem exists in all facets of society.

Of course most of this requires that a person have a weak mind in the first place to accept religion into their life - something I'm glad I was able to avoid all of my life and gave me the ability to enjoy an un-encumbered faithless life :)

I'm glad you're egotistical enough to insult people of faith just because you've made your own choice not to believe. It's amusing that people of faith are often viewed as intolerant of others, yet free reign is given to atheists that spend their life preaching that there's nothing and insulting those that have a differing viewpoint.

[stefan segal]

Faith by definition is an irrational choice...as such a person winger, I don't think you are qualified to present your opinion in a rational debate.

Stefan

[Betty Blowtorch]

There's been unfortunate incidents in the church, however,
you're condemning a whole faith on the actions of a few.
It's been proven that the Catholic Church practiced a systemic
and widespread cover-up of pedophilia by priests, often sending
child molesting priests from one parish to the next, where they
could commit what you like to call "unfortunate incidents" and
what people living in the real world call "felonies."



Also your "millions" comment is highly exaggerated.
The Catholic Church has been around for about 1700 years.
The mass media has only recently revealed that thousands
of young people have been molested by priests in just the
past 30 years or so. It would be extremely naive to think
that priests have not been molesting kids for centuries.

We're only seeing the tip of the iceburg. If it weren't for
the voracious appetite of the media for lurid scandals,
priestly perversion might have remained hidden for
centuries longer.



Generalizations are the crutch of the weak minded.
Religious faith -- or any dogmatic faith -- is the crutch
of the weak-minded.



There's been many wonderful people that served the Catholic faith
tirelessly and have given their lives to do good.
Many wonderful people have served the Buddhist faith
and have given their lives to do good. Many wonderful
people have been atheists or deists or Hindus. What's
that got to do with priests butt-fucking altar boys?



Abstinence till marriage is a tenet of their faith. You may
disagree with it, but people that are of that faith should
follow the rules of the faith and not make themselves a
hypocrite to the faith.
I don't know which college you went to, Mr. Right Wing,
but when I was living in the dorms, I saw lots and lots of
Catholics getting drunk on their asses and breaking your
naive little abstinence rule every weekend.

[TheRightWing]

It's been proven that the Catholic Church practiced a systemic
and widespread cover-up of pedophilia by priests, often sending
child molesting priests from one parish to the next, where they
could commit what you like to call "unfortunate incidents" and
what people living in the real world call "felonies."

As with any institution or organization you'll have people that care more about the organization than the faith itself. That still doesn't deny the fact that the catholic church has many good people in it that would never engage in this type of practice.


The Catholic Church has been around for about 1700 years.
The mass media has only recently revealed that thousands
of young people have been molested by priests in just the
past 30 years or so. It would be extremely naive to think
that priests have not been molesting kids for centuries.

Nonsense, you want to say millions because it makes you feel better. So we're going back to the dawn of time to get our numbers? Okay, so Europeans killed millions of indigenous people to rape their lands of resources. So I suppose you can say all Europeans are bloodthirsty bastards.

You can go back to American history and say we killed the Native americans, millions, we built our lands with slave labor, so that means that all the Americans here today should be held in account for the sins of the past generations. Please, don't go back to the 1700's to make your point about the modern church just so you can deny that there are good people in the church that does good in the world.

Religious faith -- or any dogmatic faith -- is the crutch
of the weak-minded.

Says the weakminded person that feels the need to generalize and condemn everyone just because of some abnormal hatred towards people of faith. Your weak mind was spun by jewish dominated media outlets....so who's really the weakminded one?


Many wonderful people have served the Buddhist faith
and have given their lives to do good. Many wonderful
people have been atheists or deists or Hindus. What's
that got to do with priests butt-fucking altar boys?

Have I denied that buddist have done good? hindus? atheists? No. Just as I said there's good people in the catholic church. I'm not catholic, but I still recognize the fact that just because there's problems in an institution that it doesn't mean that everyone in the institution deserves to be lumped into a generalization.


I don't know which college you went to, Mr. Right Wing,
but when I was living in the dorms, I saw lots and lots of
Catholics getting drunk on their asses and breaking your
naive little abstinence rule every weekend.

I can't be a judge how other people observe their faith, but it doesn't change the fact that it is a rule of their faith and if they break it they break their faith. That doesn't mean the faith has to transform itself to meet the needs of weak members of their flock.

[Betty Blowtorch]

Hallelujah, brothers and sisters!

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Mr. Red State has risen from the dead

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and been reincarnated as Mr. Right Wing.

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[TheRightWing]

Typical response of a nonsensical person. If you made generalizations about black people, asian, or any other minority you'd have people jumping up and down screaming how insensitive and stupid you are. If you attacked the Muslim faith this board might get exploded…wanna post some Muslim cartoons?

However attack the Catholics and you can make the stupidest generalizations imaginable, make the most offensive posts imaginable, condemn every catholic by the actions of a few and you can because Catholics and Christianity are one of the safe areas every frustrated individual can attack freely.

I really do feel sorry that you have such hostility towards Catholics and Christians. I’m sorry if a Catholic or Christian did you harm that’s caused this irrational need to generalize and attack them.

[Linkster]

Not insulting whatsoever - and certainly not an atheist :)
I have my own beliefs and they are to quote specifically:

"Man must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. The pursuit of his own rational self-interest and of his own happiness is the highest moral purpose of his life"

This precludes the introduction of any other "being" or "thing" becoming more important than myself - and yes I do have the belief that if you lower your mentality to believe in anything or anyone else as "more supreme" than you then you are weak-minded - again not an insult - a belief - and I guess if you take it a step further (not that it matters one way or another to me) by saying that my belief system of thinking you are weak-minded for believing in a religion I am insulting is in itself an insult?

As far as making generalizations about black people, asian, or any other minority as well as muslims and jews or anything else out there - this fortunately is a US based board so you can say anything you damn well please
If you want to use words that would normally be off limits to the "offended easily" - go for it - this is not a place for people that get offended easily and Im pretty sure that no one will censor anything

As far as religions making anyone feel hostility - again that would take a very weak mind to allow that

[Betty Blowtorch]

If you made generalizations about black people, asian,
or any other minority, you'd have people jumping up
and down screaming how insensitive and stupid you are.

If you attacked the Muslim faith, this board might get
exploded… wanna post some Muslim cartoons?
Okie-dokey.
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Here's an oldie but goodie:

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Or how 'bout this one?

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Think this'll offend Muslims?

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6048/bushdubyaofarabiaby0.jpg

Nahhhhh!!!! Muslims like having their
countries invaded and their oil stolen.

[TheRightWing]

"Man must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. The pursuit of his own rational self-interest and of his own happiness is the highest moral purpose of his life"

Interesting choice using an Ayn Rand quote to encapsulate your belief system. Did you believe this before reading Ayn Rand or were you so impressed with the thought that you decided to live your life by this statement?

As humans we each make our choices based on a number of factors. Some may read religious doctrine and find inherent truth in its pages. Others may read philosophical works and live their life by the teachings of plato, aristotle, and others. While some may read Ayn Rand and grasp some truth that rings true to them.

However, it is the persons choice and one shouldn't be dismissive of that choice.

This precludes the introduction of any other "being" or "thing" becoming more important than myself - and yes I do have the belief that if you lower your mentality to believe in anything or anyone else as "more supreme" than you then you are weak-minded - again not an insult - a belief - and I guess if you take it a step further (not that it matters one way or another to me) by saying that my belief system of thinking you are weak-minded for believing in a religion I am insulting is in itself an insult?

I didn't mean to insult your belief system, but the narcistic quality of your belief makes it hard not to accidentially insult. Again, I am sorry if I did though.

As far as making generalizations about black people, asian, or any other minority as well as muslims and jews or anything else out there - this fortunately is a US based board so you can say anything you damn well please
If you want to use words that would normally be off limits to the "offended easily" - go for it - this is not a place for people that get offended easily and Im pretty sure that no one will censor anything

As far as religions making anyone feel hostility - again that would take a very weak mind to allow that

The point is not whether you can or cant make comments of other races, religions, etc, on this board, but it does seem that the board is more than willing to attack Christianity, Catholics, etc, with generalizations that aren't necessarily fair to the total group.

The media, the movies, comics, bloggers, everyone is willing to do these wholesale shots at Christianity and never think twice about it. However, go after anyone else and there would be hell to pay. It's a doublestandard that is a bit disturbing, don't you think?

[Betty Blowtorch]

The point is not whether you can or can't make comments
of other races, religions, etc, on this board, but it does seem
that the board is more than willing to attack Christianity,
Catholics, etc, with generalizations that aren't necessarily
fair to the total group.

The media, the movies, comics, bloggers, everyone is willing
to do these wholesale shots at Christianity and never think
twice about it. However, go after anyone else and there
would be hell to pay. It's a doublestandard that is a bit
disturbing, don't you think?
You act like Christianity is a poor little oppressed minority
getting picked on and victimized by the Big Bad Media.

In the hands of Bush and Cheney, Christianity is the biggest
bully on the block, with the most powerful military arsenal
in the world.

Stop whining about how life is so unfair for Christians.

[imgonnaeaturlunch]

A church is a private institution. They have the right to refuse anything to anyone they want.
I would like to remind you and everyone here that this country was founded on Religious principles by great men of faith. If you have a problem with that then please move to Europe.
this is a democracy. 85% of this country is Christian
You need to take your head out of your bible & get real. This country was founded on rteligious freedom, which means free to practice whatever religion you like or none at all.

[imgonnaeaturlunch]

The Pope is not being a hypocrite to his faith and not changing his beliefs to suit a progressive movement. Being a person of faith I follow the tenets of my faith first and foremost. If people want to fake being "religious" that's their problem, not the churches problem, so I don't know what your problem is with the Pope.

You have a problem with the Pope because he's not being a hypocrite to his faith?
The catholic church also doesn't beleive in allowing preists & nuns to marry yet they've allowede preists to marry in other countries. The catholic church also use to say it masses in latin but the people insisted otherwise. The people are always way ahead of the church & what they want its policies to be. My point is that there are other means that promote the prevention of pregnancies which make more sense than threatening someone with refusal of communion.

[Linkster]

RightWing - I have lived my entire life based on those words - and yes Ayn impressed me greatly back in the early 60s - of course I had parents that were extremely free thinkers for their era

And like I said - nothing for you to be sorry about as I dont get offended by anything

As far as attacking anyone - while some may feel emotional in their like or dislike of certain groups or systems - labelling all people based on a few comments is rather like squirrel hunting with a howitzer
I dont believe groups of peoples have changed their feelings with words or discussion over the last many thousands of years that religions have been around - and unfortunately that isnt going to change as long as people (the majority) are weak minded enough to have to blame, believe or follow something in order to feel like they are living a productive life - thats why I choose to only believe in myself and the nature of the world as that is really all that matters in my existence isnt it

[Mr. Blue]

"Man must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. The pursuit of his own rational self-interest and of his own happiness is the highest moral purpose of his life"

Ayn Rand is one of my favorites and will always be. Once I read Anthem I was hooked on her writing and then Fountainhead secured her as one of my favorites.

[TheRightWing]

The catholic church also doesn't beleive in allowing preists & nuns to marry yet they've allowede preists to marry in other countries. The catholic church also use to say it masses in latin but the people insisted otherwise. The people are always way ahead of the church & what they want its policies to be. My point is that there are other means that promote the prevention of pregnancies which make more sense than threatening someone with refusal of communion.

Let’s remove religion from the conversation for a moment.

Let's say you join Netflix, you pay a certain amount of money per month, you follow the rules, and you’re able to participate in it. Say you stop paying, what happens? Netflix cancels your membership.

Now, if you can understand that the Church has rules that are binding. They've had these rules for quite awhile...they enforce these rules by removing the privilege of communion because you as a member are no longer following the rules. Is that the fault of the church? Or is it the fault of the member that didn't follow the doctrine?

The Pope as a religious leader is pushing for the Catholic ideology to be preserved. You can't really fault him for that. As for the question of marriage in the church, again the leaders of the church make allowances depending on circumstance, maybe in the future they will allow Catholics that believe in abortion to take communion (I doubt it) but again…it’s the church leaders that decide this, not the church members.

If the church members are vehemently opposed to the Catholic church they’ll have to break with the church and find one that is accepting of their modified beliefs.

[Jeanne of ARc]

you want to say millions

He said thousands

[imgonnaeaturlunch]

Let’s remove religion from the conversation for a moment.

Let's say you join Netflix, you pay a certain amount of money per month, you follow the rules, and you’re able to participate in it. Say you stop paying, what happens? Netflix cancels your membership.

Now, if you can understand that the Church has rules that are binding. They've had these rules for quite awhile...they enforce these rules by removing the privilege of communion because you as a member are no longer following the rules. Is that the fault of the church? Or is it the fault of the member that didn't follow the doctrine?

The Pope as a religious leader is pushing for the Catholic ideology to be preserved. You can't really fault him for that. As for the question of marriage in the church, again the leaders of the church make allowances depending on circumstance, maybe in the future they will allow Catholics that believe in abortion to take communion (I doubt it) but again…it’s the church leaders that decide this, not the church members.

If the church members are vehemently opposed to the Catholic church they’ll have to break with the church and find one that is accepting of their modified beliefs.
Rules, rules, rules. Ever hear rules were made to be broken. The Pope is simply showing how backwards the catholic church remains. The catholic church, to many catholics, is like an antique. You look at it, admire its beauty, its history & think how much better things suppossedly were. Then catholics go out & do what they want, just like followers of every other religion. As far as who makes decisions, the catholic church is no different than any other institution, money talks. The pope merely suggested this policy, it won'r be implemented. The pope has also critisized the U S's invasion of Iraq & we're still there.

[TheRightWing]

Rules, rules, rules. Ever hear rules were made to be broken. The Pope is simply showing how backwards the catholic church remains. The catholic church, to many catholics, is like an antique. You look at it, admire its beauty, its history & think how much better things suppossedly were. Then catholics go out & do what they want, just like followers of every other religion. As far as who makes decisions, the catholic church is no different than any other institution, money talks. The pope merely suggested this policy, it won'r be implemented. The pope has also critisized the U S's invasion of Iraq & we're still there.

You have a problem with the Catholic Church, yet you care about what it does and the moral compass it tries to give its flock. There's no need to hate on something that you don't understand.

If you don't understand it, that's fine, if the majority of Catholics support The Pope and his decision he'll have no trouble keeping his flock and keeping the church strong. Again, what does it have to do with you if a religious organization tells it's flock to follow a path laid in the doctrine of the church.

[imgonnaeaturlunch]

You have a problem with the Catholic Church, yet you care about what it does and the moral compass it tries to give its flock. There's no need to hate on something that you don't understand.

If you don't understand it, that's fine, if the majority of Catholics support The Pope and his decision he'll have no trouble keeping his flock and keeping the church strong. Again, what does it have to do with you if a religious organization tells it's flock to follow a path laid in the doctrine of the church.
Well, 14 out of my 16 years of schooling were spent at catholic schools, does that tell you anything & oh yeah, I was an alter boy. I know the catholic church very, very well.

[TheRightWing]

Are you a Catholic? If you are and you don't like the way the Catholic Church is run, go to one of the many other branches of Christianity...there's so many divisions of Christianity I'm sure you can find one that suits your outlook on life.

However, doesn't change the fact if the Catholic leaders want certain rules, that's that. They're following doctrine they feel is important and you can't really argue the point that they should change to fit society. All they have to do is follow the faith and the rules of their religion.

[imgonnaeaturlunch]

Are you a Catholic? If you are and you don't like the way the Catholic Church is run, go to one of the many other branches of Christianity...there's so many divisions of Christianity I'm sure you can find one that suits your outlook on life.

However, doesn't change the fact if the Catholic leaders want certain rules, that's that. They're following doctrine they feel is important and you can't really argue the point that they should change to fit society. All they have to do is follow the faith and the rules of their religion.
If you were observant regarding the Catholic church you'd have seen that the catholic church is so large that it tries to accomodate everyone. That's part of its problem. This isn't a church that has 1 set of rules for everyone.

[TheRightWing]

If you were observant regarding the Catholic church you'd have seen that the catholic church is so large that it tries to accomodate everyone. That's part of its problem. This isn't a church that has 1 set of rules for everyone.

The Church has one leader. I don't agree with everything the Catholic church believes in, that's probably why I'm not a catholic. There's choices beyond what the catholics have to offer, if people are seriously against certain aspects of the church it's time for them to either splinter and create a new sect or find another branch of Christianity to follow.

[imgonnaeaturlunch]

The Church has one leader. I don't agree with everything the Catholic church believes in, that's probably why I'm not a catholic. There's choices beyond what the catholics have to offer, if people are seriously against certain aspects of the church it's time for them to either splinter and create a new sect or find another branch of Christianity to follow.
Just as I thought, an anti-catholic. I can smell your kind a mile away.

[TheRightWing]

Just as I thought, an anti-catholic. I can smell your kind a mile away.

You're a blithering idiot. For 4 pages I defend the Catholic church and it's leadership and your rip them for 4 pages and I'm the anti-catholic? I have absolutely nothing against the Catholic Church and anything the Pope wants to do is fine by me. You're the one with the issues regarding the church, not I.