And The Blame Campaign Has Already Started

[Moby]

For many years I've been claiming that the Neocons would run the country into the ground and then blame the next administration for not being able to fix things fast enough.

Then they'd push for an even more powreful Neocon then George W. Bush such as Jeb.

On this board we see almost daily complaints that the dems haven't turned around the Bush economy or the Bush deficits fast enough even though everything that's being bitched about started under a Republican and very Neoconservative President.

Here's another mindless video.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/07/07/democrats_get_60_votes.html
Democrats Get 60 Votes
At 12:15 p.m. when Al Franken is sworn in by Vice President Biden, Democrats will have -- at least in theory -- a filibuster-proof 60 Senate seats.

The National Republican Senatorial Committee marks the occasion with a must-see new ad: "The Democrats have total control. No checks. No balances... In 2010, you can hold them accountable."

Here's the ad: (http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/07/07/democrats_get_60_votes.html)

[MintJulep]

"The Democrats have total control. No checks. No balances... In 2010, you can hold them accountable."
Amen, brother. If there is a silver lining to this mess, this is it.

No excuses this time. No Boooooooooooosssh. No bad, bad republicans! :thumbsup:

[Mr. Blue]

Dems have the White House and Congress.

What's funny about the blame game is you're blaming neocons when they don't have the power now. If Obama's policies work, Republicans won't see the light of day in 2010 or 2012 and beyond. If, however, he has a run of the mill policy, the stimulus + a second stimulus they're thinking about, doesn't work, and he doesn't follow through on campaign promises. Who's fault is that?

People like Seniorchief, is never going to support Obama or any Democrat for that matter. Just because Obama has that built in percentage of people that won't like him no matter what, doesn't mean Democrats can blame this group that doesn't have power now.

So, Dems are getting their strategy together to blame Republicans even if they have the majority and can push whatever they want. Republicans have gotten amnesia regarding the Bush years and just blame Obama.

Dems though have the power now, they can push healthcare, withdrawing our troops, push for an environmentalist agenda, they can do pretty much whatever they want if they had the political will to say, "this is the right thing to do and we're going to do it."

Republicans can't stop anything...they're in the corner of the room with the dunce cap on. Also, Republicans that have amnesia about Bush, there seems to be Democrats that have amnesia as well, because they let him push an agenda with nary a complaint issued where it matters, in votes, instead of sound bytes to win elections.

[SeniorChief]

People like Seniorchief, is never going to support Obama or any Democrat for that matter.

Not true.
If he wasn't such a Socialist fuck-up, I'd support him.

[The Professor]

For many years I've been claiming that the Neocons would run the country into the ground and then blame the next administration for not being able to fix things fast enough.

Then they'd push for an even more powreful Neocon then George W. Bush such as Jeb.

On this board we see almost daily complaints that the dems haven't turned around the Bush economy or the Bush deficits fast enough even though everything that's being bitched about started under a Republican and very Neoconservative President.

Here's another mindless video.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/07/07/democrats_get_60_votes.html

aww, poor bigears

everything you point to...

it's all just so UNFAIR!

LOLOLOL!

[Life_Long_Dem!]

For many years I've been claiming that the Neocons would run the country into the ground and then blame the next administration for not being able to fix things fast enough.

Then they'd push for an even more powreful Neocon then George W. Bush such as Jeb.

On this board we see almost daily complaints that the dems haven't turned around the Bush economy or the Bush deficits fast enough even though everything that's being bitched about started under a Republican and very Neoconservative President.

Here's another mindless video.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/07/07/democrats_get_60_votes.html
everyone knows...well those with a brain anyways that the stimulus WAS NOT an overnight fix....that it will take at least a year to see ANY real affects from it so this blame game of"oh my, the stimulus failed" or any of the other 50 bs things people are coming up with are just excuses from cons and the party of NO as well as some centerleaning or slightly conservative dems.

[Zebulon0351]

Not true.
If he wasn't such a Socialist fuck-up, I'd support him.

If he weren't a socialist he'd still be black. Don't kid yourself.

[Life_Long_Dem!]

If he weren't a socialist he'd still be black. Don't kid yourself.
and he is not even close to a socialist at all, that is the biggest mischaracter exaggeration I have ever seen...nothing he does is socialist in the least, I have many uber liberal socialist friends and they dont like the guy and said that if he was actually a socialist they might like him better:banghead:

[GetAClue]

Dems have the White House and Congress.

What's funny about the blame game is you're blaming neocons when they don't have the power now. If Obama's policies work, Republicans won't see the light of day in 2010 or 2012 and beyond. If, however, he has a run of the mill policy, the stimulus + a second stimulus they're thinking about, doesn't work, and he doesn't follow through on campaign promises. Who's fault is that?

People like Seniorchief, is never going to support Obama or any Democrat for that matter. Just because Obama has that built in percentage of people that won't like him no matter what, doesn't mean Democrats can blame this group that doesn't have power now.

So, Dems are getting their strategy together to blame Republicans even if they have the majority and can push whatever they want. Republicans have gotten amnesia regarding the Bush years and just blame Obama.

Dems though have the power now, they can push healthcare, withdrawing our troops, push for an environmentalist agenda, they can do pretty much whatever they want if they had the political will to say, "this is the right thing to do and we're going to do it."

Republicans can't stop anything...they're in the corner of the room with the dunce cap on. Also, Republicans that have amnesia about Bush, there seems to be Democrats that have amnesia as well, because they let him push an agenda with nary a complaint issued where it matters, in votes, instead of sound bytes to win elections.
Very good points. Yes a lot of Republicans need only look in the mirror to see those that were part of the problem. There are quite a few Dems that need to do the same thing.

The problem now is what do we do to get out of this mess. Sitting around blaming Bush or others that are no longer relevant will do nothing to straighten out the economy. I believe most people would favor any policy or program that would work.

[The Professor]

sure

that's why the hottest economic topic in the media yesterday was whether a SECOND STIMULUS was called for

that's why biden on stephy's This Week said the admin originally got the economy all wrong

LOLOLOL!

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/democrat-leaders-cautious-about-talk-of-stimulus-sequel/

[GetAClue]

sure

that's why the hottest economic topic in the media yesterday was whether a SECOND STIMULUS was called for

that's why biden on stephy's This Week said the admin originally got the economy all wrong

LOLOLOL!

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/democrat-leaders-cautious-about-talk-of-stimulus-sequel/
That's the great thing about Biden. He is smart enough to know how stupid some of Obamas policies are, but to dumb to shut up about it. While I said that most people would support anything that worked, it is obvious that the first pork laden stimulus package was nothing but a pay off for Obama's election supporters. Most people and even a lot of Democrats are saying no thanks to another one. People are starting to get the picture.

[The Professor]

yes, absolutely

the stimulus was bigears' introduction to the american people

and it was beyond stupid of him to turn the entire crafting of it over to ms pelosi and her partisan apparatchiks in lower parliament

the result was the worst example of earmarked pork, inside the beltway business as usual, exact opposite of change any normal person could believe in

in chatrooms across america, the exact shape of that PIG of a stimulus broke the hearts of fully half bigears' "supporters," honest libs who actually believed the crap he was pushing

truly, when bigears let nancy write that bill, the stimulus, plan pelosi, bigears' introduction to his new constituency, i was sincerely shocked

i could not believe his lack of leadership, i could not believe his political tone deafness

it was just so obvious what ms nance would do with it

since then, bigears has let congress write his cap and trade

he's let baucus have the health care

with virtually NO INPUT from the white house

this is unprecedentedly odd, and it's coming to signify---this white house apparently does not possess a person capable of penning a piece of legislation

either way, it is remarkable how ZERO is the input the white house has on the actual crafting of these measures

apparently bigears sees himself merely as the point guy, the vision guy, first salesman, executive CHIN in chief

LOL!

really, friend, when bigears let nance have the stimulus, i was shocked

a HUGE mistake---politically

that's when i first got the impression he didn't know what he's doing

since then, his every step has confirmed it

the few who read my long rants probably believe i'm against bigears no matter what he does

which may or may not be true, who would really care (about me)

but the point---he needs to shut up people like me

if he'd written his own stimulus, if it were big and important and strategic and targeted

instead of politcal and partisan and porcine and preposterous (tunnels for turtles, scientific studies of flatulence...)

then i wouldn't be ABLE to go on as i do

the stimulus was a huge loser---not just economically, but POLITICALLY

thanks, friend

and his "supporters," instead of even trying to defend the indefensible, just whine---it's all so UNFAIR

LOLOLOL!

if you can't handle criticism, don't run

[The Professor]

That's the great thing about Biden. He is smart enough to know how stupid some of Obamas policies are, but to dumb to shut up about it. While I said that most people would support anything that worked, it is obvious that the first pork laden stimulus package was nothing but a pay off for Obama's election supporters. Most people and even a lot of Democrats are saying no thanks to another one. People are starting to get the picture.

yes, biden has done it now so many times...

the first 20 or so, one could ascribe his affable gaffe-ability to idiocy

but this week...

he goes on stephy and says---WE GOT THE ECONOMY WRONG

he also says (same venue)---israel is free to attack iran

obama has to come out and retract it

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090706/NEWS02/907060340/0/NEWS/Biden--Israel-free-to-strike-Iran?FORM=ZZNR3

one would now have to begin to question exactly how much of biden's bigmouth stems from stupidity alone

it's starting to look as if the veep might not have much respect for his boss...

[SeniorChief]

yes, biden has done it now so many times...

the first 20 or so, one could ascribe his affable gaffe-ability to idiocy

but this week...

he goes on stephy and says---WE GOT THE ECONOMY WRONG

he also says (same venue)---israel is free to attack iran

obama has to come out and retract it

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090706/NEWS02/907060340/0/NEWS/Biden--Israel-free-to-strike-Iran?FORM=ZZNR3

one would now have to begin to question exactly how much of biden's bigmouth stems from stupidity alone

it's starting to look as if the veep might not have much respect for his boss...
http://blogs.citypages.com/canderson/images/biden_foot.jpg

[kres24GT]

Obama is continuing the Bush policies that got us here. They are both to blame but Dems will blame Bush, Repubs will blame Obama. It's the system that is fucking us, but that would require us to be nonpartisan to fight the real enemy, and we are just too sheepish to do that.

[radioguy]

If he weren't a socialist he'd still be black. Don't kid yourself.

That bullshit is uncalled for. Republicans don't give crap about race, just ability. The ones who always make race an issue are democrats... It's been that way for years.

ps... I'm still waiting for your response from 4 days ago Zeb.

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[Moby]

What's funny about the blame game is you're blaming neocons when they don't have the power now. If Obama's policies work, Republicans won't see the light of day in 2010 or 2012 and beyond. If, however, he has a run of the mill policy, the stimulus + a second stimulus they're thinking about, doesn't work, and he doesn't follow through on campaign promises. Who's fault is that?
Looking at history is always interesting. It took Reagan 2 years to see the first improvement in unemployment after he took office and he had far more tools to work with. What I keep asking is, "If it took Reagan 2 years to show any signs of improvement, how long should it take the new administration?"

[Moby]

Republicans don't give crap about race, just ability.
How can you make such a general statement about Republicans if they're not all programmed to think alike?

You keep making the point for me over and over again. Maybe post some TV Ratings :thumbsup:

Why do Palin's looks keep coming up when discussing her qualifications? Certainly some on the right see looks as a big enough issue to keep mentioning it.

[doctordog]

How can you make such a general statement about Republicans if they're not all programmed to think alike?

You keep making the point for me over and over again. Maybe post some TV Ratings :thumbsup:

Why do Palin's looks keep coming up when discussing her qualifications? Certainly some on the right see looks as a big enough issue to keep mentioning it.

And how many on the left side keep reminding us this is our first black President, are we to assume liberals are all racist because they mention his skin tone all the time.

[Mr. Blue]

Looking at history is always interesting. It took Reagan 2 years to see the first improvement in unemployment after he took office and he had far more tools to work with. What I keep asking is, "If it took Reagan 2 years to show any signs of improvement, how long should it take the new administration?"

2 years seems about right...maybe even longer...in fact I'd be willing to say that once the next election comes around if Obama has proven even mediocre, to the point of the U.S. just being stable, he'll win again.

Democrats seems to be overly focused on the rightwing and they have next to no power in Washington at the moment. Instead of focusing on the right, they should be focusing on what they should do with their nearly omnipotent power to push their agenda.

The problem becomes they haven't really easily pushed their agenda and their agenda is starting to morph away from the campaign promises Obama put up.

I'd be surprised if the following happened:

Universal Healthcare
Withdrawl From Iraq
Withdrawl from Afghanistan
Gitmo detainees will continue to be problematic...might see a resolution on that one though.
Middle Class doesn't see an increase in their taxes


If Obama fails to deliver on his campaign promises and America's economy hasn't stablized by the end of his term, guess what's going to happen? He's going to lose the next election.

I don't see Dems losing congress in 2010...so I think he'll have 4 years of control to push an agenda, if he doesn't, he owns that?

As for Republicans and pundits bitching...does it really matter? In my books it's just a lot of talking with no power behind it. The only way the Republicans get back in power in the next 8 years is if Obama fails miserable. If he even does a mediocre job, he's got 8 years, no doubt in my mind about it.

Also, I don't see America failing because of Obama or Bush...we've had a systemic problem of bad policy that's lead us to this point. I say you can go back 100 years in U.S. policy and start seeing where America started to fail.

When you look at the destruction of any empire, it's not usually a snap shot of one moment, one decade, it usually has this slower decline. I think there's a few critical moments that hasten that demise, but it's all interconnected.

[The Professor]

2 years seems about right...maybe even longer...in fact I'd be willing to say that once the next election comes around if Obama has proven even mediocre, to the point of the U.S. just being stable, he'll win again.

Democrats seems to be overly focused on the rightwing and they have next to no power in Washington at the moment. Instead of focusing on the right, they should be focusing on what they should do with their nearly omnipotent power to push their agenda.

The problem becomes they haven't really easily pushed their agenda and their agenda is starting to morph away from the campaign promises Obama put up.

I'd be surprised if the following happened:

Universal Healthcare
Withdrawl From Iraq
Withdrawl from Afghanistan
Gitmo detainees will continue to be problematic...might see a resolution on that one though.
Middle Class doesn't see an increase in their taxes


If Obama fails to deliver on his campaign promises and America's economy hasn't stablized by the end of his term, guess what's going to happen? He's going to lose the next election.

I don't see Dems losing congress in 2010...so I think he'll have 4 years of control to push an agenda, if he doesn't, he owns that?

As for Republicans and pundits bitching...does it really matter? In my books it's just a lot of talking with no power behind it. The only way the Republicans get back in power in the next 8 years is if Obama fails miserable. If he even does a mediocre job, he's got 8 years, no doubt in my mind about it.

Also, I don't see America failing because of Obama or Bush...we've had a systemic problem of bad policy that's lead us to this point. I say you can go back 100 years in U.S. policy and start seeing where America started to fail.

When you look at the destruction of any empire, it's not usually a snap shot of one moment, one decade, it usually has this slower decline. I think there's a few critical moments that hasten that demise, but it's all interconnected.

good post

spot on about the gop and pelosi/obama's need to ignore us

their failure, here, is killing them

you're quite mistaken about the pushing of the agenda and the possession of both houses, etc

it was BAUCUS who stopped the public option, remember?

it was NINETY senators who scotched gitmo, true?

it was ms boxer today, bobby byrd yesterday, who put the kibosh on cap and trade, huh?

it was the PEOPLE OF IRAN who made the coffee klatsch with ahmedinejad look so dumb

it was ms pelosi's palsied incompetence that removed prosecuting dick cheney for war crimes (LOLOL!) from the realm of the reachable

he HAS been pushing his agenda, way too hard, way too extreme, way too fast, way too ineptly

it's his own party that doesn't have the guts to RAISE KILLER TAXES ON ENERGY IN THE MIDDLE OF A DEPRESSION

CLOSE GITMO WITH NO PLACE TO PUT EM

PUSH A PUBLIC OPTION THAT INCLUDES 15 MILLION ILLEGALS---in TIMES like THESE

i really strongly agree with you---if bigears succeeds he's a lock

and---the only way the gop can get back to any kind of real relevance is if he continues to screw up as bad as he has

which he will, for sure, he's hardwired for failure in AMERICAN POLITICS

you'll see

i am very surprised that i have to point out to you your very few errors

because they are so extremely obvious

either way, excellent post

cliff

[Mr. Blue]

good post

spot on about the gop and pelosi/obama's need to ignore us

their failure, here, is killing them

you're quite mistaken about the pushing of the agenda and the possession of both houses, etc

it was BAUCUS who stopped the public option, remember?

it was NINETY senators who scotched gitmo, true?

it was ms boxer today, bobby byrd yesterday, who put the kibosh on cap and trade, huh?

it was the PEOPLE OF IRAN who made the coffee klatsch with ahmedinejad look so dumb

it was ms pelosi's palsied incompetence that removed prosecuting dick cheney for war crimes (LOLOL!) from the realm of the reachable

he HAS been pushing his agenda, way too hard, way too extreme, way too fast, way too ineptly

it's his own party that doesn't have the guts to RAISE KILLER TAXES ON ENERGY IN THE MIDDLE OF A DEPRESSION

CLOSE GITMO WITH NO PLACE TO PUT EM

PUSH A PUBLIC OPTION THAT INCLUDES 15 MILLION ILLEGALS---in TIMES like THESE

i really strongly agree with you---if bigears succeeds he's a lock

and---the only way the gop can get back to any kind of real relevance is if he continues to screw up as bad as he has

which he will, for sure, he's hardwired for failure in AMERICAN POLITICS

you'll see

i am very surprised that i have to point out to you your very few errors

because they are so extremely obvious

either way, excellent post

cliff

I wonder though, the points you raise regarding his party not backing him...is that his failing or is that Pelosi / Reid failing? Or are they a three headed hydra?

I almost want to blame Pelosi and Reid for not being able to corral the Democrats and get them moving in the same direction. That same direction might mean making concessions to bring more people on board. However, it seems they don't want to make concessions even to members of their own party.

The dems have the white house, they have a super majority in the senate, and a majority in the house. On paper, they should be able to push what they want, but it seems, at least in these early stages that what's "on paper" is proving to be more of a paper tiger than anything else.

[radioguy]

How can you make such a general statement about Republicans if they're not all programmed to think alike?

It's a general statement Moby. There will allways be bad apples, but republicans as a party, don't give a shit about race.

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[kres24GT]

This thread went exactly as I predicted. Threads like this is what make the politicians in both parties happier than a pig in shit. Play the blame game, stay divided.

[The Professor]

I wonder though, the points you raise regarding his party not backing him...is that his failing or is that Pelosi / Reid failing? Or are they a three headed hydra?

I almost want to blame Pelosi and Reid for not being able to corral the Democrats and get them moving in the same direction. That same direction might mean making concessions to bring more people on board. However, it seems they don't want to make concessions even to members of their own party.

The dems have the white house, they have a super majority in the senate, and a majority in the house. On paper, they should be able to push what they want, but it seems, at least in these early stages that what's "on paper" is proving to be more of a paper tiger than anything else.

duh

a president needs to know his audience

he's pushing stuff his own party can't stomach

they can't handle it cuz they're gonna get killed at home if they do

closing gitmo without a plan to place those people?

pushing huge energy taxes in the midst of depression?

trying to extend medical coverage to 15 million illegals---in times like these?

umm, that'd have to be on the president

i can't believe you'd ask

i'm seriously surprised i'd have to explain

two plus two

blame pelosi?

pelosi/obama is ONE, man

bigears is a nancy CLONE

that's the whole problem

her politics don't sell well in bluedog country

pelosi-politcs can't compete outside the castro

don't you watch tv?

[The Professor]

This thread went exactly as I predicted. Threads like this is what make the politicians in both parties happier than a pig in shit. Play the blame game, stay divided.

divided

LOLOLOL!

tell it to the san francisco EXTREMIST in the white house

how could you possibly expect more than a few million americans to UNITE behind full-out frenchified socialism?

killer energy taxes---at times like these

deficits at 12.65% of gdp

prosecuting dick cheney for war crimes (LOLOLOL!)

it's your silly little song which is predictable

you tra-la-la the same lyrics no matter what goes down in dc

for goodness sake, land

[kres24GT]

divided

LOLOLOL!

tell it to the san francisco EXTREMIST in the white house

how could you possibly expect more than a few million americans to UNITE behind full-out frenchified socialism?

killer energy taxes---at times like these

deficits at 12.65% of gdp

prosecuting dick cheney for war crimes (LOLOLOL!)

it's your silly little song which is predictable

you tra-la-la the same lyrics no matter what goes down in dc

for goodness sake, land


We should be united against the politicians in both parties, not sitting around trying to decide which side is least terrible and who is more to blame.

[The Professor]

We should be united against the politicians in both parties, not sitting around trying to decide which side is least terrible and who is more to blame.

for goodness sake, get real

that moby dude and radioguy are NOT gonna unite...

ever...

quit dreaming

[Dale escondido]

This thread went exactly as I predicted. Threads like this is what make the politicians in both parties happier than a pig in shit. Play the blame game, stay divided.

Agreed:thumbsup:
But the exhilaration of the battle is like a drug.
Once hooked you become a tool of the government and industry too.
Zappa:hi:

[foxbaron]

We should be united against the politicians in both parties, not sitting around trying to decide which side is least terrible and who is more to blame.


Exactly.

It is time we let our representatives know that they must put the Country before their parties.

There should be no bill passed in Congress that hasn't been read and discussed amongst the members.

There should be no pork whatsoever in any bill that can't be justified as being in the best interest of America and they should have to prove it.

I have no problem building a bridge somewhere as long as you can tell me how it is in America's best interest. It could as simple as, "we need it to keep the trucks rolling to deliver goods". It should not be that difficult to justify.

How does a project help our Country?

Is it needed for National Security, Emergency Response abilities, Evacuation of the civilian population in a natural disaster, or does it only benefit a select few?

Justify it and then prioritize it.

How damn hard can it be?