A Letter from the Boss

[MintJulep]

This has been around a while but it bears repeating...................


A Letter From The Boss


To All My Valued Employees,


There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of this company, and more specifically, your job. As you know, the economy has changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good news is this: The economy doesn’t pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job however, is the changing political landscape in this country.

However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help you decide what is in your best interests.

First, while it is easy to spew rhetoric that casts employers against employees, you have to understand that for every business owner there is a back story. This back story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and hear. Sure, you see me park my Cadillac outside. You’ve seen my big home at last years Christmas party. I’m sure; all these flashy icons of luxury conjure up some idealized thoughts about my life.

However, what you don’t see is the back story.

I started this company 28 years ago. At that time, I lived in a 300 square foot studio apartment for 3 years. My entire living apartment was
converted into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you.

My diet consisted of Ramen Pride noodles because every dollar I spent went back into this company. I drove a rusty Toyota Corolla with a defective transmission. I didn’t have time to date. Often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business — hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.

Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a modest $50K a year and spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes.

Instead of hitting the Nordstrom’s for the latest hot fashion item, I was trolling through the discount store extracting any clothing item that didn’t look like it was birthed in the 70’s. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into a business with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford these luxuries my friends supposedly had.

So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9am, mentally check in at about noon, and then leave at 5pm, I don’t. There is no “off” button for me.
When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, and breathe
this company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to my hip like a 1 year old special-needs child. You, of course, only see the fruits of that garden — the nice house, the Cadillac, the vacations… you never realize the back story and the sacrifices I’ve made.

Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy that made all the right decisions and saved his money, have to bail-out all the people who
didn’t. The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed a decade of my life for.
Yes, business ownership has is benefits but the price I’ve paid is steep and not without wounds.

Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit and let me tell you why:
I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don’t pay enough. I have state taxes. Federal taxes. Property taxes. Sales and use taxes. Payroll taxes. Workers compensation taxes. Unemployment taxes. Taxes on taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess what? I have to pay taxes for employing him. Government mandates and regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most of my time. On Oct 15th, I wrote a check to the US Treasury for $288,000 for quarterly taxes. You know what my “stimulus” check was? Zero. Nada. Zilch.
The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy who has provided 14 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000 people per year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother sitting at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare check?
Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this country.

The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your paycheck you’d quit and you wouldn’t work here. I mean, why should you? That’s nuts. Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is why your job is in jeopardy.

Here is what many of you don’t understand … to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had suddenly government mandated to me that I didn’t need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Washington black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can forget it now.
When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don’t defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to life, do you?

Or, do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it.

Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the poor of America are the essential drivers of the American economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change you can keep.

So where am I going with all this?

It’s quite simple.

If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and simple. I fire you. I fire your co-workers. You can then plead with the government to pay for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child’s future.
Frankly, it isn’t my problem any more.

Then, I will close this company down, move to another country, and retire.

You see, I’m done. I’m done with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be
destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.

So, if you lose your job, it won’t be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this
country, steamrolled the constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever. If that happens, you can find me sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about….

Signed,

Your boss

[Hog Trash]

The marxist who strive to create barriers of envy and hate between workers and their employers fear and detest words such as this.

This is how they unite workers for class warfare to destroy capitalism and lay down the socialist stepping stones too communism and finally totalitarianism.

I was lucky to have learned this young through the writings of the Russian immigrant, Ayn Rand, who fled to the US to escape the horrors of what she wrote about.

[Independent Harry]

That's a nice little letter. but its steeped in bullshit. I've owned bussiness's in the past. I've employed people, in fact in August I am once again becoming the proud owner of 47.5% of a company. Here's what I know. Yes taxes suck, yes it would be nice to have less taxes, and my bussiness's barely paid any taxes to the government. The extra money I kept, I pocketed and invested. I didn't hire more people with it. I bought things, I invested for my future wealth. So please, don't give me this. The guy may expand his business slightly, but why would he, if he doesn't have to. If the business doesn't warrent expansion, the excess money just goes back into his coffers.

Now I would like lower taxes. But let's not confuse someone with an agenda with someone writing absolute truth.

[Hog Trash]

That's a nice little letter. but its steeped in bullshit. I've owned bussiness's in the past. I've employed people, in fact in August I am once again becoming the proud owner of 47.5% of a company. Here's what I know. Yes taxes suck, yes it would be nice to have less taxes, and my bussiness's barely paid any taxes to the government. The extra money I kept, I pocketed and invested. I didn't hire more people with it. I bought things, I invested for my future wealth. So please, don't give me this. The guy may expand his business slightly, but why would he, if he doesn't have to. If the business doesn't warrent expansion, the excess money just goes back into his coffers.

Now I would like lower taxes. But let's not confuse someone with an agenda with someone writing absolute truth.That's the only messege you got from the letter???....You seriously missed the point???....Unbelievable Harry?!

[bluejunk44]

let's make taxes 0

i'm sure business owners and executives will do what's right for their employees

i mean, so far they have. every employee of every company has sweet health care coverage and great pay. on top of that the people at the top barely make more than the employees and they don't give themselves enormous bonuses.

[Binky]

let's make taxes 0

i'm sure business owners and executives will do what's right for their employees

i mean, so far they have. every employee of every company has sweet health care coverage and great pay. on top of that the people at the top barely make more than the employees and they don't give themselves enormous bonuses.



Ahhhhh.........wouldn't the world be better if it were that sweet? :lmao2:

[Independent Harry]

That's the only messege you got from the letter???....You seriously missed the point???....Unbelievable Harry?!

If you wade through the BS to what people are really saying. You'll find that the message I spoke about was really the only message that mattered. Let's break the letter down.

He says he's paying 288,000 a quarter in taxes. Let's say he pulls in a million a quarter, that's a tax rate of 28%. (I doubt its nearly that high, its probably closer to 10% but whatever, which would make the business net income 2.88 million).

that leaves him with 712,000 a quarter net income. Which is income after all expenses are paid. He is still making quite a profit. He sounds like a thrifty individual. I'm sure he likes some of the finer things. So let's say his expenses are 20k a month. Not outlandish for someone pulling 712k a quarter. He wants to provide for his personal retirement. Let's say he invests 50k a month and puts another 10k away just for random stuff. That still leaves him 98k/ month to do what he likes with. He still has plenty of money to re-invest back into the business as he pleases. The taxes aren't killing him and they're not making him poor.

So what we find is that this individual, while he worked hard for rhis money and decided to take a different path than most. Is still liable for paying his fair share, and still has lots of money to put back into the business. So excuse me if I don't have much sympathy for the guy...

[Binky]

If you wade through the BS to what people are really saying. You'll find that the message I spoke about was really the only message that mattered. Let's break the letter down.

He says he's paying 288,000 a quarter in taxes. Let's say he pulls in a million a quarter, that's a tax rate of 28%. (I doubt its nearly that high, its probably closer to 10% but whatever, which would make the business net income 2.88 million).

that leaves him with 712,000 a quarter net income. Which is income after all expenses are paid. He is still making quite a profit. He sounds like a thrifty individual. I'm sure he likes some of the finer things. So let's say his expenses are 20k a month. Not outlandish for someone pulling 712k a quarter. He wants to provide for his personal retirement. Let's say he invests 50k a month and puts another 10k away just for random stuff. That still leaves him 98k/ month to do what he likes with. He still has plenty of money to re-invest back into the business as he pleases. The taxes aren't killing him and they're not making him poor.

So what we find is that this individual, while he worked hard for rhis money and decided to take a different path than most. Is still liable for paying his fair share, and still has lots of money to put back into the business. So excuse me if I don't have much sympathy for the guy...



You're just mathalicious. :lmao2: Weee..........keep the figures seeping from your brain, you little brainiac. :D

[Dale escondido]

If you wade through the BS to what people are really saying. You'll find that the message I spoke about was really the only message that mattered. Let's break the letter down.

He says he's paying 288,000 a quarter in taxes. Let's say he pulls in a million a quarter, that's a tax rate of 28%. (I doubt its nearly that high, its probably closer to 10% but whatever, which would make the business net income 2.88 million).

that leaves him with 712,000 a quarter net income. Which is income after all expenses are paid. He is still making quite a profit. He sounds like a thrifty individual. I'm sure he likes some of the finer things. So let's say his expenses are 20k a month. Not outlandish for someone pulling 712k a quarter. He wants to provide for his personal retirement. Let's say he invests 50k a month and puts another 10k away just for random stuff. That still leaves him 98k/ month to do what he likes with. He still has plenty of money to re-invest back into the business as he pleases. The taxes aren't killing him and they're not making him poor.

So what we find is that this individual, while he worked hard for rhis money and decided to take a different path than most. Is still liable for paying his fair share, and still has lots of money to put back into the business. So excuse me if I don't have much sympathy for the guy...

If hes paying a million a year in estimated hes taking home three million with 14 employees.
Wow and he would write this letter, not.
His gross would probably be 30 million or more.
This guys a little touchy imo.

[GetAClue]

If you wade through the BS to what people are really saying. You'll find that the message I spoke about was really the only message that mattered. Let's break the letter down.

He says he's paying 288,000 a quarter in taxes. Let's say he pulls in a million a quarter, that's a tax rate of 28%. (I doubt its nearly that high, its probably closer to 10% but whatever, which would make the business net income 2.88 million).

that leaves him with 712,000 a quarter net income. Which is income after all expenses are paid. He is still making quite a profit. He sounds like a thrifty individual. I'm sure he likes some of the finer things. So let's say his expenses are 20k a month. Not outlandish for someone pulling 712k a quarter. He wants to provide for his personal retirement. Let's say he invests 50k a month and puts another 10k away just for random stuff. That still leaves him 98k/ month to do what he likes with. He still has plenty of money to re-invest back into the business as he pleases. The taxes aren't killing him and they're not making him poor.

So what we find is that this individual, while he worked hard for rhis money and decided to take a different path than most. Is still liable for paying his fair share, and still has lots of money to put back into the business. So excuse me if I don't have much sympathy for the guy...
Read the letter again. You claim he is keeping $712,000 a quarter before expenses and his expenses consist of 20% of that total. That sounds nice, but with 14 employees, that about eats all of that up.

You have NO idea what kind of business he runs or what his overhead is. Does his business manufacture a product? If so, what are the raw material expenses? Are they a service company? If so, do they have travel expenses or other mechanical expenses? What about property expenses? And the taxes that go on top of that.

Frankly, you have NO idea about his income or his expenses let alone the nature of his business. You just saw an opportunity to bash someone that happens to take exception with your messiah’s socialistic vision of this country. You are a true partisan hack!

[Dale escondido]

Read the letter again. You claim he is keeping $712,000 a quarter before expenses and his expenses consist of 20% of that total. That sounds nice, but with 14 employees, that about eats all of that up.

You have NO idea what kind of business he runs or what his overhead is. Does his business manufacture a product? If so, what are the raw material expenses? Are they a service company? If so, do they have travel expenses or other mechanical expenses? What about property expenses? And the taxes that go on top of that.

Frankly, you have NO idea about his income or his expenses let alone the nature of his business. You just saw an opportunity to bash someone that happens to take exception with your messiah’s socialistic vision of this country. You are a true partisan hack!

It doesnt matter what he does, even if he missed three quartlys and just paid one(witch would cost him penalys) 288 would be enough to cover 750 to a mill take home.

[Independent Harry]

Read the letter again. You claim he is keeping $712,000 a quarter before expenses and his expenses consist of 20% of that total. That sounds nice, but with 14 employees, that about eats all of that up.

You have NO idea what kind of business he runs or what his overhead is. Does his business manufacture a product? If so, what are the raw material expenses? Are they a service company? If so, do they have travel expenses or other mechanical expenses? What about property expenses? And the taxes that go on top of that.

Frankly, you have NO idea about his income or his expenses let alone the nature of his business. You just saw an opportunity to bash someone that happens to take exception with your messiah’s socialistic vision of this country. You are a true partisan hack!

Frankly you have no idea what you are talking about. In business, you only pay taxes on NET income. So if he is paing 288k in taxes, that means the income he pays taxes on is after all his expenses. That's where I got that number. I'm not a partisan hack, you're just a retard who has never owned a business.

edit: and another thing. I love how you guys throw around the messiah thing with anyone who doesn't agree with you. I don't believe what Obama is doing is right. but I also know I don't know everything. It may work, it may not. All I can do is take steps to protect myself if it doesn't work.

Also, I don't need to know what business he is in, or what his expenses are because again, taxes are paid on income after all expenses are paid. So I can guess within reasonable measure what his net income is before taxes based on how much he pays in taxes. The range would be anywhere from 1 million to 3 million a quarter. I simply used the lowest number and showed that he was full of shit...

[Independent Harry]

If hes paying a million a year in estimated hes taking home three million with 14 employees.
Wow and he would write this letter, not.
His gross would probably be 30 million or more.
This guys a little touchy imo.

yeah, i get the same feeling. I would be willing to bet this wasn't even written to employees. What a way to talk to the people who helped you build a company...Probably just someone venting and then posting it on the internet somewhere.

[MintJulep]

Read the letter again. You claim he is keeping $712,000 a quarter before expenses and his expenses consist of 20% of that total. That sounds nice, but with 14 employees, that about eats all of that up.

You have NO idea what kind of business he runs or what his overhead is. Does his business manufacture a product? If so, what are the raw material expenses? Are they a service company? If so, do they have travel expenses or other mechanical expenses? What about property expenses? And the taxes that go on top of that.

Frankly, you have NO idea about his income or his expenses let alone the nature of his business. You just saw an opportunity to bash someone that happens to take exception with your messiah’s socialistic vision of this country. You are a true partisan hack!GetAClue is tearing it up again! :lmao2:

[Independent Harry]

GetAClue is tearing it up again! :lmao2:

lol, no getaclue is not tearing it up again. He does not have a clue, and apparently neither do you. I find it interesting those of you who support this piece of writing the most, understand business the least. But I guess its the ignorance that your programmers count on...

[Hog Trash]

I think many of you are mistakenly assuming this is an actual "letter from the boss".

In reality it is nothing more than a vehicle to deliver a messege to those who believe the person who signs their paycheck is the bad guy.

[MintJulep]

I think many of you are mistakenly assuming this is an actual "letter from the boss".

In reality it is nothing more than a vehicle to deliver a messege to those who believe the person who signs their paycheck is the bad guy.Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner!

[GetAClue]

Frankly you have no idea what you are talking about. In business, you only pay taxes on NET income. So if he is paing 288k in taxes, that means the income he pays taxes on is after all his expenses. That's where I got that number. I'm not a partisan hack, you're just a retard who has never owned a business.

edit: and another thing. I love how you guys throw around the messiah thing with anyone who doesn't agree with you. I don't believe what Obama is doing is right. but I also know I don't know everything. It may work, it may not. All I can do is take steps to protect myself if it doesn't work.

Also, I don't need to know what business he is in, or what his expenses are because again, taxes are paid on income after all expenses are paid. So I can guess within reasonable measure what his net income is before taxes based on how much he pays in taxes. The range would be anywhere from 1 million to 3 million a quarter. I simply used the lowest number and showed that he was full of shit...
I have no idea? That's rich. You use a couple of numbers and all of a sudden you know his buisness inside and out. Get over yourself. You state you've owned businesses before therefore you are the authority. Yea I drove a car once so I know how best to drive an Formula 1 race car. That sounds about right according to your logic.

And as HT pointed out, this letter is most likely just a made up letter to demonstrate to those that believe buisness owners are the bad guys, that there are two sides to a coin. If you are the buisness owner you claim to be, you should have been able to see this. But as I said, you are simply trying to discredit any message that differs from that of YOUR MESSIAH! You can deny that all you want, but you have YET to show any evidence that you disagree with any of his policies.

[Independent Harry]

I have no idea? That's rich. You use a couple of numbers and all of a sudden you know his buisness inside and out. Get over yourself. You state you've owned businesses before therefore you are the authority. Yea I drove a car once so I know how best to drive an Formula 1 race car. That sounds about right according to your logic.

And as HT pointed out, this letter is most likely just a made up letter to demonstrate to those that believe buisness owners are the bad guys, that there are two sides to a coin. If you are the buisness owner you claim to be, you should have been able to see this. But as I said, you are simply trying to discredit any message that differs from that of YOUR MESSIAH! You can deny that all you want, but you have YET to show any evidence that you disagree with any of his policies.

I disagree with plenty of his policies and you can see it on here. What I can't stand is idiots like you and LL, and Hog, who think they know best for everyone.

As for the letter, way to own up to completely being wrong. Instead you sidestep, realize that you didn't know what you were talking about and move on to claiming i love the messiah. Typical tactics. I never claimed to know his business inside and out. I just claimed to have a general idea of how much money he was bringing in a quarter based on his taxes paid out. Whch showed that he wasn't hurting for money. Just showing a different point of view. And I never said the Boss was the bad guy. I'm a boss. I'm not a bad guy. I just think that people have their own motivations. Everyone wants to pay less taxes and will make up a lot of excuses why they shouldn't have to regardless of economic standing.

I think your name fits you perfectly, getting a clue is exactly what you should be doing...

[Independent Harry]

I think many of you are mistakenly assuming this is an actual "letter from the boss".

In reality it is nothing more than a vehicle to deliver a messege to those who believe the person who signs their paycheck is the bad guy.

Sometimes they are Hog. It's nto like every boss inthe world is the most ethical person. People get screwed over by corporations all the time and corporations get screwed over by people. It's the nature of the game. So I can understand the internal war that goes on between the two.

[Hog Trash]

Sometimes they are Hog. It's nto like every boss inthe world is the most ethical person. People get screwed over by corporations all the time and corporations get screwed over by people. It's the nature of the game. So I can understand the internal war that goes on between the two.An employer is someone an employee trades their time and labor or service too for a prearranged compensation.

If at anytime someone is unhappy with the arrangement they are free to resign and seek employment elsewhere.

A liberal always wants to blow this arrangement way out of proportions and involve the government in some way.

[bluejunk44]

If taxes are just too much to bare and out government is evil for having them, one could always go live in the woods and be completely self sufficient. But, that would mean no tv, radio, or internet. Although, you'd still be in the country and enjoying your peace and solitude due to taxpayer money. I guess you're gonna have to find an uncharted island somewhere. Pick a warm place. You don't want to get cold.

[Hog Trash]

If taxes are just too much to bare and out government is evil for having them, one could always go live in the woods and be completely self sufficient. But, that would mean no tv, radio, or internet. Although, you'd still be in the country and enjoying your peace and solitude due to taxpayer money. I guess you're gonna have to find an uncharted island somewhere. Pick a warm place. You don't want to get cold.You didn't quite finish at the top of your class, did ya BJ?

[Independent Harry]

An employer is someone an employee trades their time and labor or service too for a prearranged compensation.

If at anytime someone is unhappy with the arrangement they are free to resign and seek employment elsewhere.

A liberal always wants to blow this arrangement way out of proportions and involve the government in some way.

Yes, and there are contracts and agreements and also something called loyalty on both sides. its not as clear cut and dry and simple as you put it. We've all had to make hard decisions, but at the same time you can't say that everyone always acts with integrity in every situation with the employer/employee relationship.

[Dale escondido]

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner!

We all know its not a real letter? Right ?
The point is the writer could have used real numbers that make sense and show how government IS driving business out of the country.
Or at least staff culling.
The inability to understand basic business numbers makes the whole letter look like the author is out of his league.

[The Professor]

I don't believe what Obama is doing is right.

there ya go

all you need to know

it's THAT bad

half his own "supporters" have too much integrity to back this garbage

cap and trade is a JOBS! JOBS! JOBS! bill

LOLOLOL!

why, it's NOT green, shrieks the palsied speakeress

it just raises killer taxes on all forms of energy production and consumption

in the middle of our DEPRESSION

no wonder the poster cited doesn't "believe"

LOLOL!

the health care reform includes 12 million illegals---in TIMES like THESE

why, you'd have to be a FOREIGNER not to know how THAT's gonna go over with MOM america

LOLOL!

STUPIDITY alone cannot explain bigears' blunders

you'd have to be a KID not to know how including illegal aliens in this budget-butchering expansion of insurance is gonna play across the lower 57

LOLOL!

he goes to russia to plead with putin---please join me in punishing the persians JUST IN CASE my policy of personal diplomacy goes kerplunk

what could putin's possible reply be, except---why, mr bigears, how could YOU possibly fail?

LOLOL!

just show em your CHIN

obama bigears truly IS his father's son

that is, he really IS more third world than america

obama bigears the Already Irrelevant has bared his teeth at the brits in ways INEXPLICABLE

unless you remember how his dad felt about those imperialist colonizers

in cairo, bigears the Already Irrelevant apologized for COLONIZATION

which was bizarre, considering our red, white and blue context

but, you don't understand

his kenyan father, however, would

dad would dig it, that is

the point---it's THAT bad

his entire agenda is already dead in just over 150 days despite ALL the advantages imaginable including 60 senators and a self confessedly thrilled media

in chatrooms across america, half his "supporters" declare caveats similar to the above

i too am bothered by the spending

i also do not support the hiring of tax cheats and lobbyists

i as well am offended by the bailouts and bonuses for bunglers, bagmen, bad guys, bankrupts and bums

obama bigears is the worst, most incompetent POLITICIAN america has ever produced

he's so KENYAN

LOLOLOL!

he doesn't know america

he needed to distance himself from nance, who cannot sell nationally

he doesn't understand politics

so darned academic

it's SO bad he's gonna destroy the dem party for generations

which is a good thing

bad times economically, bad times socially, bad times budgetarily

the best of times, however, for patriotic americans POLITICALLY

LOLOLOL!

thanks, bigears!

keep up the good work

[MintJulep]

We all know its not a real letter? Right ?
The point is the writer could have used real numbers that make sense and show how government IS driving business out of the country.
Or at least staff culling.
The inability to understand basic business numbers makes the whole letter look like the author is out of his league.I think the basic message makes plenty of sense. It will always be the worker drones who suffer after destroying the so-called "rich". Numbers aren't needed to realize that.

[Hog Trash]

there ya go

all you need to know

it's THAT bad

half his own "supporters" have too much integrity to back this garbage

cap and trade is a JOBS! JOBS! JOBS! bill

LOLOLOL!

why, it's NOT green, shrieks the palsied speakeress

it just raises killer taxes on all forms of energy production and consumption

in the middle of our DEPRESSION

no wonder the poster cited doesn't "believe"

LOLOL!

the health care reform includes 12 million illegals---in TIMES like THESE

why, you'd have to be a FOREIGNER not to know how THAT's gonna go over with MOM america

LOLOL!

STUPIDITY alone cannot explain bigears' blunders

you'd have to be a KID not to know how including illegal aliens in this budget-butchering expansion of insurance is gonna play across the lower 57

LOLOL!

he goes to russia to plead with putin---please join me in punishing the persians JUST IN CASE my policy of personal diplomacy goes kerplunk

what could putin's possible reply be, except---why, mr bigears, how could YOU possibly fail?

LOLOL!

just show em your CHIN

obama bigears truly IS his father's son

that is, he really IS more third world than america

obama bigears the Already Irrelevant has bared his teeth at the brits in ways INEXPLICABLE

unless you remember how his dad felt about those imperialist colonizers

in cairo, bigears the Already Irrelevant apologized for COLONIZATION

which was bizarre, considering our red, white and blue context

but, you don't understand

his kenyan father, however, would

dad would dig it, that is

the point---it's THAT bad

his entire agenda is already dead in just over 150 days despite ALL the advantages imaginable including 60 senators and a self confessedly thrilled media

in chatrooms across america, half his "supporters" declare caveats similar to the above

i too am bothered by the spending

i also do not support the hiring of tax cheats and lobbyists

i as well am offended by the bailouts and bonuses for bunglers, bagmen, bad guys, bankrupts and bums

obama bigears is the worst, most incompetent POLITICIAN america has ever produced

he's so KENYAN

LOLOLOL!

he doesn't know america

he needed to distance himself from nance, who cannot sell nationally

he doesn't understand politics

so darned academic

it's SO bad he's gonna destroy the dem party for generations

which is a good thing

bad times economically, bad times socially, bad times budgetarily

the best of times, however, for patriotic americans POLITICALLY

LOLOLOL!

thanks, bigears!

keep up the good workI think that about covers it. :reading:

[GetAClue]

I disagree with plenty of his policies and you can see it on here. What I can't stand is idiots like you and LL, and Hog, who think they know best for everyone.

As for the letter, way to own up to completely being wrong. Instead you sidestep, realize that you didn't know what you were talking about and move on to claiming i love the messiah. Typical tactics. I never claimed to know his business inside and out. I just claimed to have a general idea of how much money he was bringing in a quarter based on his taxes paid out. Whch showed that he wasn't hurting for money. Just showing a different point of view. And I never said the Boss was the bad guy. I'm a boss. I'm not a bad guy. I just think that people have their own motivations. Everyone wants to pay less taxes and will make up a lot of excuses why they shouldn't have to regardless of economic standing.

I think your name fits you perfectly, getting a clue is exactly what you should be doing...
While you are correct that I have not owned a business, I will admit to not knowing how the tax structure works.

However, as a typical liberal, you side stepped the point of the letter and chose to make a class warfare argument about. So the guy makes a lot of money. He is the one that took the risk and made the investment. The point of the letter is that while he may be making some money, if the government continues down this path of penalizing those that produce in this country, many businesses will look for greener pastures elsewhere.

The United States has one of the highest corporate tax rates of any country in the world. We wonder why jobs are moving overseas. Just look at a recent example. Budweiser was sold to a foreign owner. I would guess one reason would be to avoid some of the stifling taxes levied in this country.

As for you being an Obama supporter, I don’t know if you are or are not. I will admit that I don’t read this forum daily, so you may have posted something that would contradict some of his policies. However, to date I have not seen you in opposition to anything that Obama has proposed. In my book, that would make you a supporter.

[Independent Harry]

While you are correct that I have not owned a business, I will admit to not knowing how the tax structure works.

However, as a typical liberal, you side stepped the point of the letter and chose to make a class warfare argument about. So the guy makes a lot of money. He is the one that took the risk and made the investment. The point of the letter is that while he may be making some money, if the government continues down this path of penalizing those that produce in this country, many businesses will look for greener pastures elsewhere.

The United States has one of the highest corporate tax rates of any country in the world. We wonder why jobs are moving overseas. Just look at a recent example. Budweiser was sold to a foreign owner. I would guess one reason would be to avoid some of the stifling taxes levied in this country.

As for you being an Obama supporter, I don’t know if you are or are not. I will admit that I don’t read this forum daily, so you may have posted something that would contradict some of his policies. However, to date I have not seen you in opposition to anything that Obama has proposed. In my book, that would make you a supporter.

You can't prove a positive with a negative. The lack of evidence of me opposing Obama can't lead you to the conclusion that I'm a supporter. It's a logical fallacy. The only thing you can conclude is that you havent seen me speak out against Obama. You have seen me defend him either though. So there's nothing you can conclude.

I didn't side step the point of the letter. I simply pointed out the underlying numbers in the letter to show that this guy isn't hurting nearly as much as he's complaining about. He has money to invest back into the business. And he is still being taken well care of with his personal income. I just wrote a contradiction to what he was saying, that's not sidestepping. Maybe because you don't understand how business works you could not grasp the logical conclusion I was coming too. I wasn't using tactics and i'm not a liberal.

[Dale escondido]

I think the basic message makes plenty of sense. It will always be the worker drones who suffer after destroying the so-called "rich". Numbers aren't needed to realize that.

Take a guy employing 30 employees doing three million a year.
50% fixed costs and 35% payroll which is typical for manufacturing.
Now increase his fed taxes 5%, state taxes 5% and capital gains 5% if hes an "s" corp, and guess what? Hes probably will get out of business or if hes not freight sensitive he will leave the states.
Its a liberal ploy to invent numbers that dont make sence and then say your missing the point of the statement. Most conservative like to use facts for arguement.

[GetAClue]

You can't prove a positive with a negative. The lack of evidence of me opposing Obama can't lead you to the conclusion that I'm a supporter. It's a logical fallacy. The only thing you can conclude is that you havent seen me speak out against Obama. You have seen me defend him either though. So there's nothing you can conclude.
Whatever. The fact is that I have not read any posts from you that contradict any of Obama’s policies. You seem to either defend them or attack those that oppose them. Call it what you want, but it sure appears that you are a supported. However, I will respect your stated position and refrain from accusing you of this in the future.


I didn't side step the point of the letter. I simply pointed out the underlying numbers in the letter to show that this guy isn't hurting nearly as much as he's complaining about. He has money to invest back into the business. And he is still being taken well care of with his personal income. I just wrote a contradiction to what he was saying, that's not sidestepping. Maybe because you don't understand how business works you could not grasp the logical conclusion I was coming too. I wasn't using tactics and i'm not a liberal.
But you did sidestep the point of the letter. That being that those with the opportunity to improve their finances by choosing to pull their money out and do other things with it will do so if it becomes difficult to do business in this country.

By the way, just because I don’t pay business taxes does not mean I don’t understand how business works. I have worked for a very large corporation for 23 years now and have done rather nicely. I didn’t do this by not understanding how the company I work for and the workings of our vendors and customers.

I don’t know what kind of business(s) you have been involved in, but if you run your business with the same reckless policies that Obama attempts to run this country with, you will not be in business for long.

[MintJulep]

Take a guy employing 30 employees doing three million a year.
50% fixed costs and 35% payroll which is typical for manufacturing.
Now increase his fed taxes 5%, state taxes 5% and capital gains 5% if hes an "s" corp, and guess what? Hes probably will get out of business or if hes not freight sensitive he will leave the states.
Its a liberal ploy to invent numbers that dont make sence and then say your missing the point of the statement. Most conservative like to use facts for arguement.I'm confused. You do not need numbers to get the gist of the message. And I am not exactly a liberal. :confused:

[Dale escondido]

I'm confused. You do not need numbers to get the gist of the message. And I am not exactly a liberal. :confused:

The senerio was so unrealistic that the message is precieved by me as bias.
I believe obama is crushing our system faster than the speed of light, but using falsehoods to make a point seems to me is a tool of the mesmerized followers of obama.
If you made a mill a year and had to pay 100 thousand more would you write the letter?
If you made 200k and paid 20-30 more maybe?
No business owner would write the letter.

[Independent Harry]

The senerio was so unrealistic that the message is precieved by me as bias.
I believe obama is crushing our system faster than the speed of light, but using falsehoods to make a point seems to me is a tool of the mesmerized followers of obama.
If you made a mill a year and had to pay 100 thousand more would you write the letter?
If you made 200k and paid 20-30 more maybe?
No business owner would write the letter.

Someone else that gets it. Just because you don't understand a message doesn't mean the person trying to explain the falsehood is a libersl...lol

[Dale escondido]

Someone else that gets it. Just because you don't understand a message doesn't mean the person trying to explain the falsehood is a libersl...lol

A people so polarized as to not even see the truth or the lies of a story is the desired result.
Starting with a lie is always suspicious to me. No matter whos the author.

[MintJulep]

The senerio was so unrealistic that the message is precieved by me as bias.
I believe obama is crushing our system faster than the speed of light, but using falsehoods to make a point seems to me is a tool of the mesmerized followers of obama.
If you made a mill a year and had to pay 100 thousand more would you write the letter?
If you made 200k and paid 20-30 more maybe?
No business owner would write the letter.Sure they would. When they are getting soaked in taxes, instead of going under, they will simply cut their losses, i.e., fire their employees and close up shop. This isn't rocket science, really.