Obamageddon - 2012

[Smurf-Herder]

Obamageddon — 2012

Gerald Celente
June 30, 2009

Empire America is on the verge of collapse. Its social, economic and political systems are failed and failing, observes Trends Research Institute Director, Gerald Celente, in the Summer Trends Journal.

“The measures taken by successive governments to save the politically corrupt, morally bankrupt, physically decrepit giant from collapse have served to only hasten its demise. While the decline has been decades in the making, the acceleration of ruinous policies under the current Administration is leading the United States — and much of the world — to the point of no return,” says Celente.

The “green shoots” sighted by Field Marshall Bernanke this past Spring were a mirage. The 2010 economic “recovery” predicted by the same experts, authorities and financial boy scouts and cheerleaders who didn’t see the economic crisis coming is pure delusion.

By 2012, even those in denial and still clinging to hope will be forced to face the truth. It will be called “Obamageddon” in America. The rest of the world will call it “The Greatest Depression.”

We provide the hard data and indisputable facts that support our forecast for an unsettling future. There will be opportunities to seize and measures to take to withstand, and even profit in the increasingly turbulent times.

Laura Martin
Media Relations

The Trends Research Institute

lmartin@trendsresearch.com

www.trendsresearch.com

[Dale escondido]

:thumbsup:
iTS SAD BUT TRUE THE ONLY THING THAT WILL STOP THIS MADMAN, IS THE ARROGANCE ITSELF.
THE TERM OBAMAGEDDON IS APPROPIATE.:crazzy: :crazzy:

[Smurf-Herder]

:thumbsup:
iTS SAD BUT TRUE THE ONLY THING THAT WILL STOP THIS MADMAN, IS THE ARROGANCE ITSELF.
THE TERM OBAMAGEDDON IS APPROPIATE.:crazzy: :crazzy:

I saw Gerald Celente interviewed on TV this morning; so I looked it up online.

BTW, I don't think anything will stop him. But I hope I'm wrong.

[Dale escondido]

I saw Gerald Celente interviewed on TV this morning; so I looked it up online.

BTW, I don't think anything will stop him. But I hope I'm wrong.

SADLY THERE IS A GENIUS TO HIS MADNESS.
MOSTLY SUCCESS COMES FROM TIMING AND A LOT OF LUCK.
BUT INSANITY HAS A REDEEMING QUALITY AND THAT IS IT IS SELF DESTRUCTIVE.
JUST LOOK AT THE ARROGANCE OF HITLER, IT WASNT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO LOSE THE SECOND WAR IN 39-41 BUT HE DID IT.

[Smurf-Herder]

SADLY THERE IS A GENIUS TO HIS MADNESS.
MOSTLY SUCCESS COMES FROM TIMING AND A LOT OF LUCK.
BUT INSANITY HAS A REDEEMING QUALITY AND THAT IS IT IS SELF DESTRUCTIVE.
JUST LOOK AT THE ARROGANCE OF HITLER, IT WASNT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO LOSE THE SECOND WAR IN 39-41 BUT HE DID IT.

All the supporting groups, ACORN, SEIU, etc., had their origins in SDS. The strategy is to establish an underlying network, to take over after collapsing the present system in place.

[Mr. Blue]

It's unfair to purely blame this on Obama...the government has been out of control for awhile now, spending has been out of control, and to put all the blame on a man that's been in office for less than half a year is purely political spin.

Do I think Obama is helping the situation? Hell no, and I think his policies are following a typical Washington pattern. To deny all the players in this current problem is to deny the causes, and therefore the solution is lost amongst political spin.

[Smurf-Herder]

It's unfair to purely blame this on Obama...the government has been out of control for awhile now, spending has been out of control, and to put all the blame on a man that's been in office for less than half a year is purely political spin.

Do I think Obama is helping the situation? Hell no, and I think his policies are following a typical Washington pattern. To deny all the players in this current problem is to deny the causes, and therefore the solution is lost amongst political spin.

But, Obama is using the existing situation and taking every sector of society and government to the max, with his ideology. He's taken an out of control system and put it into a death spiral.

[MintJulep]

By 2012, even those in denial and still clinging to hope will be forced to face the truth. It will be called “Obamageddon” in America. The rest of the world will call it “The Greatest Depression.”I think this about says it all.

[MintJulep]

It's unfair to purely blame this on Obama...the government has been out of control for awhile now, spending has been out of control, and to put all the blame on a man that's been in office for less than half a year is purely political spin.

Do I think Obama is helping the situation? Hell no, and I think his policies are following a typical Washington pattern. To deny all the players in this current problem is to deny the causes, and therefore the solution is lost amongst political spin.The difference now is his policies are designed to kill the Capitalist goose that made America the wealthiest nation on earth. And it's working. Never has an administration tried to completely takeover and dictate to the private sector. Obamanomics means 50% of the people sit in the wagon and 50% pull the wagon. No thanks.

[Dale escondido]

It's unfair to purely blame this on Obama...the government has been out of control for awhile now, spending has been out of control, and to put all the blame on a man that's been in office for less than half a year is purely political spin.

Do I think Obama is helping the situation? Hell no, and I think his policies are following a typical Washington pattern. To deny all the players in this current problem is to deny the causes, and therefore the solution is lost amongst political spin.

ITS SEEMS A PATTERN TO MAKE THE POINT THAT OBAMA IS NOT THE CAUSE OF WHERE WE ARE AS A NATION.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE AND THE DIVISIONS WE CLING TO IS REALLY WHY WE ARE BROUGHT TO THE BRINK OF DEMISE BY OUR LEADERSHIP.
BUT THE FACT THE CURRENT ADMIN IS CRUSHING THE NATIONS ECONOMY TO FORWARD AN AGENDA THEY FEEL WILL BE FOR THE BETTER OF THE WORLD DOESNT CHANGE,,,,,,ITS UNAMERICAN

[Mr. Blue]

But, Obama is using the existing situation and taking every sector of society and government to the max, with his ideology. He's taken an out of control system and put it into a death spiral.

Well, could Obama have been elected if it wasn't for 8 years of Bush? It's my working theory that no Republican could have won the last election because of Bush's failed policy.

Why is that important? Well, people keep making this case that Obama is some sort of "chosen one", usually a chant coming from the right, and I don't see Obama as that.

Obama could barely win his parties nomination. Hillary Clinton, if the media wasn't on her ass 24/7, probably should have won the nomination and the Presidency, and what does that say about Obama?

Obama won the office not because people were super enthused about his campaign promises, they voted because he wasn't Bush, and I think that's important to remember.

Why? Well, if he was elected because the country was 100% behind his ideas, then I'd say there's cause for worry, but since they're only flaccidly following him because he wasn't someone else, I think it'll be hard for him to get his "ideology" to take root.

Also, Obama, despite the fact he is likable, isn't really that forceful of a leader. Bush, surprisingly, was able to get whatever he wanted. Obama is proving to be far less effective in that arena.

I figure in 2 years if Obama hasn't started to turn the corner with his policies...he'll pretty much have to change his ideology to get re-elected. If by the end of his first term he's done nothing and the economy is sinking...a republican, maybe someone like Mitt Romney, will be able to beat him.

Republicans though need a lot of fresh blood. People that didn't just vote in step with Bush. A person that's a true fiscal conservative...not these Republican wannabe's that we keep getting.

[Mr. Blue]

ITS SEEMS A PATTERN TO MAKE THE POINT THAT OBAMA IS NOT THE CAUSE OF WHERE WE ARE AS A NATION.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE AND THE DIVISIONS WE CLING TO IS REALLY WHY WE ARE BROUGHT TO THE BRINK OF DEMISE BY OUR LEADERSHIP.
BUT THE FACT THE CURRENT ADMIN IS CRUSHING THE NATIONS ECONOMY TO FORWARD AN AGENDA THEY FEEL WILL BE FOR THE BETTER OF THE WORLD DOESNT CHANGE,,,,,,ITS UNAMERICAN

Caps key broken?

I believe in seeing the full picture. If you don't see the full picture we keep electing people that don't have America's best interest at heart. The Dems and Reps have pretty much been playing Americans against each other on minutia. At the end of the day we should be disgusted by the fact that our political leaders win by dividing not unifying.

So, instead of being partisan, I'm looking at the full picture...the full picture starts longer than most people want to admit. Our problems weren't started with Obama or Bush, it starts long before that...

It seems in recent years politicians have become emboldened by the fact that the majority of voters are morons. They can easily be swayed by snappy little commercials, silly little catchphrases, and willing to accept ridiculously vague answers from their politicians.

It's become ridiculous to watch Presidential candidates say their ideas for the future. I mean who doesn't want to improve education, improve our infrastructure, get energy independent, and a laundry list of other promises we get every 4 years?

The problem becomes that the candidate just says whatever bullshit they can to get elected without any real plan of action. People are willing to accept some vague idea on how to improve things that end up never materializing.

So, America has been on a decline for awhile now, our policies haven't put America first, it hasn't put our citizens first, and it goes beyond 1 politician. It's this system of politicians lying to us, dems and reps, and there's so few honest people in power it was bound to happen that we'd suffer eventually.

Maybe we only have ourselves to blame for voting these people in...

[Dale escondido]

Well, could Obama have been elected if it wasn't for 8 years of Bush? It's my working theory that no Republican could have won the last election because of Bush's failed policy.

Why is that important? Well, people keep making this case that Obama is some sort of "chosen one", usually a chant coming from the right, and I don't see Obama as that.

Obama could barely win his parties nomination. Hillary Clinton, if the media wasn't on her ass 24/7, probably should have won the nomination and the Presidency, and what does that say about Obama?

Obama won the office not because people were super enthused about his campaign promises, they voted because he wasn't Bush, and I think that's important to remember.

Why? Well, if he was elected because the country was 100% behind his ideas, then I'd say there's cause for worry, but since they're only flaccidly following him because he wasn't someone else, I think it'll be hard for him to get his "ideology" to take root.

Also, Obama, despite the fact he is likable, isn't really that forceful of a leader. Bush, surprisingly, was able to get whatever he wanted. Obama is proving to be far less effective in that arena.

I figure in 2 years if Obama hasn't started to turn the corner with his policies...he'll pretty much have to change his ideology to get re-elected. If by the end of his first term he's done nothing and the economy is sinking...a republican, maybe someone like Mitt Romney, will be able to beat him.

Republicans though need a lot of fresh blood. People that didn't just vote in step with Bush. A person that's a true fiscal conservative...not these Republican wannabe's that we keep getting.

:thumbsup:
Whats scary is we'll accept almost anything from the repugs if obamas a failure.
We have to change, before this crap can be stopped if its not too late.

[Mr, gone]

The demise of our economy has been in the works since we started outsourcing our infrastructure some 40 years with Japan. This temporary solution was viable until their capaitalist model's labor became unsupportable (reference Japan's economic collapse in the late 80's). Now, even Japan outsources much of it's infrastructure to China

Now for the last 15 years the US has been selling out to China, using it's last bandaid to cover the continued hemoraging of capitalism's bloated labor costs. When communist china decides it has drained enough economic blood fom our economy, that is when the shit will hit the fan! :doh:

This is the enevitable result of un-regulated capitalist ideals. One only has to,look at all the scrambling of both huge multi-national entities as well as our own government, to buy up the 1000's of failing smaller companies (GM is quite a telling sign of these times)...

[Dale escondido]

Caps key broken?

I believe in seeing the full picture. If you don't see the full picture we keep electing people that don't have America's best interest at heart. The Dems and Reps have pretty much been playing Americans against each other on minutia. At the end of the day we should be disgusted by the fact that our political leaders win by dividing not unifying.

So, instead of being partisan, I'm looking at the full picture...the full picture starts longer than most people want to admit. Our problems weren't started with Obama or Bush, it starts long before that...

It seems in recent years politicians have become emboldened by the fact that the majority of voters are morons. They can easily be swayed by snappy little commercials, silly little catchphrases, and willing to accept ridiculously vague answers from their politicians.

It's become ridiculous to watch Presidential candidates say their ideas for the future. I mean who doesn't want to improve education, improve our infrastructure, get energy independent, and a laundry list of other promises we get every 4 years?

The problem becomes that the candidate just says whatever bullshit they can to get elected without any real plan of action. People are willing to accept some vague idea on how to improve things that end up never materializing.

So, America has been on a decline for awhile now, our policies haven't put America first, it hasn't put our citizens first, and it goes beyond 1 politician. It's this system of politicians lying to us, dems and reps, and there's so few honest people in power it was bound to happen that we'd suffer eventually.

Maybe we only have ourselves to blame for voting these people in...

Didnt see this post before the other reply.
Yes I messed with fonts and couldnt get them off:(
We are in a cycle where offensive politicians are the most electable because they polarize.
As soon as i hear the repugs or dems caused all this I know a reply is useless.
And I do look for your posts as I see the ability to see patterns without being drawn into useless arguements.

[mwillman]

LOL, The Sky is falling the sky is falling.

Whats funny is how much most of you supported Bush while he trashed this nation and now your all up in arms. Sorry but your all just a bunch of pathetic whiners.

[Dale escondido]

LOL, The Sky is falling the sky is falling.

Whats funny is how much most of you supported Bush while he trashed this nation and now your all up in arms. Sorry but your all just a bunch of pathetic whiners.

perfect example of a reply from someone with a side to guard but no vision.

[Mr. Blue]

LOL, The Sky is falling the sky is falling.

Whats funny is how much most of you supported Bush while he trashed this nation and now your all up in arms. Sorry but your all just a bunch of pathetic whiners.

Nope, I didn't support Bush's spending.

You are what you hate. (I'm using "you" in the generic term, not specifically referring to you...unless you fit what I'm about to say, lol) It's becoming the new trend in America. Democrats bitch about Bush's spending, then okay with Obama's spending. Republicans are okay with Bush's spending, then hate what Obama is doing.

[Moby]

We came to the "verge of collapse" in less than 6 months after 8 years of strong and sound policy?

Gimme a break. This is way too insane for you Smurf.

[mwillman]

I think President Obama is doing a good job.

I think he has some serious crap to deal with that most presidents haven't had to face and yes most of its because of Bush but even still he is doing what needs to be done and its going to cost the nation some cash but that's really the only way to fix all the crap that was damaged becuase of republican leadership.

All you guys do is point to anything he does and then say its terrible and that its damaging the nation but you have no proof for your often repeated diatribe.

[doctordog]

I think President Obama is doing a good job.

I think he has some serious crap to deal with that most presidents haven't had to face and yes most of its because of Bush but even still he is doing what needs to be done and its going to cost the nation some cash but that's really the only way to fix all the crap that was damaged becuase of republican leadership.

All you guys do is point to anything he does and then say its terrible and that its damaging the nation but you have no proof for your often repeated diatribe.

Obama has a small load compared to what Reagan inherited from Jimmy Carter. Obama is showing that he has little focus and only cares about "bling" just like other celebrities like him.

[mwillman]

Really can you tell me what two wars Reagen had to handle?
Sure inflation was bad when Reagen took over but the gas crisis and the hostage crisis were over when Reagen took office.

[doctordog]

Really can you tell me what two wars Reagen had to handle?
Sure inflation was bad when Reagen took over but the gas crisis and the hostage crisis were over when Reagen took office.

We were paying 22% interest then, inflation was through the roof. Interest rates are still low along with inflation and Obama can't steer us out, he is a fucking intern that liberals like yourself voted for.

[bluejunk44]

Can anyone explain to me how McCain would have not only ended the crisis, but completely turned the country around and have us prospering beyond belief 6 months into his first term?

No, you can't. It's not possible. Republicans fucked us over great and spineless dems didn't stop them. It's gonna take more than half a year to just stop the bleeding they caused.

If you want to judge Obama on how he handled this republican made crisis, then you're gonna have to wait another couple of years. When 2011 and 2012 rolls around and we're no better off then by all means, we'll get a new president.

[doctordog]

Can anyone explain to me how McCain would have not only ended the crisis, but completely turned the country around and have us prospering beyond belief 6 months into his first term?

No, you can't. It's not possible. Republicans fucked us over great and spineless dems didn't stop them. It's gonna take more than half a year to just stop the bleeding they caused.

If you want to judge Obama on how he handled this republican made crisis, then you're gonna have to wait another couple of years. When 2011 and 2012 rolls around and we're no better off then by all means, we'll get a new president.

The housing bubble goes all the way back to Clinton. If Obama would get the stimulus money out to highway projects the bleeding would subside some, but instead he tied to so much red tape to the money it will never get to where it is needed. Obama is a big spender without anything to show for it. At least with the wars employment was good back home. Wait till we completely pull out of the wars and all those people in support jobs are laid off.

[mwillman]

We were paying 22% interest then, inflation was through the roof. Interest rates are still low along with inflation and Obama can't steer us out, he is a fucking intern that liberals like yourself voted for.


People are paying as much as 28% interest now but now its legal becuase of republicans giving business what ever they wanted. Inflation is not the only way to trash an economy and even though times were bad we did not see the total destruction of all the investment banks and we were not near as close to economic destruction as Bush brought us.


Carter was over 30 years ago are you another fucking baby boomer? I can't wait tell the baby boomer generation is to old to make the rest of us suffer. I am sick of your 1960s politics and your 19th century mind sets.

[Mr. Blue]

Can anyone explain to me how McCain would have not only ended the crisis, but completely turned the country around and have us prospering beyond belief 6 months into his first term?

No, you can't. It's not possible. Republicans fucked us over great and spineless dems didn't stop them. It's gonna take more than half a year to just stop the bleeding they caused.

If you want to judge Obama on how he handled this republican made crisis, then you're gonna have to wait another couple of years. When 2011 and 2012 rolls around and we're no better off then by all means, we'll get a new president.

He wouldn't have done better. Not by a long shot. Problem is I don't think either party can put out a candidate that would truly fix the system. They're too part of the fucked up system to even realize the system is fucked up, lol.

[doctordog]

He wouldn't have done better. Not by a long shot. Problem is I don't think either party can put out a candidate that would truly fix the system. They're too part of the fucked up system to even realize the system is fucked up, lol.

I would bet $500 Romney could have turned it around, but the Republican party allowed themselves to be influenced by the Liberal press too much.

[MintJulep]

I would bet $500 Romney could have turned it around, but the Republican party allowed themselves to be influenced by the Liberal press too much.If Romney were in office, we wouldn't be in this shithole mess right now.

But, we've got the "novelty", although his only experience is "community organizin' whatever the fuck that means........

[bairdi]

If Romney were in office, we wouldn't be in this shithole mess right now.

But, we've got the "novelty", although his only experience is "community organizin' whatever the fuck that means........
We would be in a worse mess if Romney were in office. Maybe you should educate yourself about the work of a community organizer since you don't know what the fuck it means and stop presenting yourself as an ass by making such a statement.

[doctordog]

If Romney were in office, we wouldn't be in this shithole mess right now.

But, we've got the "novelty", although his only experience is "community organizin' whatever the fuck that means........

He was a crossing guard that knew all the parents, here is his picture:

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[Dale escondido]

People are paying as much as 28% interest now but now its legal becuase of republicans giving business what ever they wanted. Inflation is not the only way to trash an economy and even though times were bad we did not see the total destruction of all the investment banks and we were not near as close to economic destruction as Bush brought us.


Carter was over 30 years ago are you another fucking baby boomer? I can't wait tell the baby boomer generation is to old to make the rest of us suffer. I am sick of your 1960s politics and your 19th century mind sets.
Interest on homes was 15%. Big difference.
Ignore history as the school systems do and you get a whole generations of lemmings.

[doctordog]

We would be in a worse mess if Romney were in office. Maybe you should educate yourself about the work of a community organizer since you don't know what the fuck it means and stop presenting yourself as an ass by making such a statement.

Your IQ just dropped 30 points, Romney was an economics genius compared to any candidate on either side. Obama is like a little boy in a candy store with your savings account number.

[mwillman]

The only lemmings around here are you Rush bots.

[Dale escondido]

The only lemmings around here are you Rush bots.

Always a good reply when your world is rocked with facts.

[doctordog]

Always a good reply when your world is rocked with facts.

:thumbsup: :lmao2:

[mwillman]

Again I have admitted that the economy during Reagan election was bad but it wasn't worse then what Bush did and that doesn't even count the Fucking war in Iraq. 8 years of huge spending and what do we as Americans have to show for it, Nothing.

At least Obama is spending American Tax dollars on Americans, you right wing nuts seem to love Iraq more then you do the US of A.

[doctordog]

Again I have admitted that the economy during Reagan election was bad but it wasn't worse then what Bush did and that doesn't even count the Fucking war in Iraq. 8 years of huge spending and what do we as Americans have to show for it, Nothing.

At least Obama is spending American Tax dollars on Americans, you right wing nuts seem to love Iraq more then you do the US of A.

None of Obama's spend is reaching the people, you are being deceived and don't even know it.

[mwillman]

You are lying or you are just stupid.

[bluejunk44]

this was to be expected

republicans have been chomping at the bit since the election to lay blame for everything on Obama. some didn't even wait a month or two. they know very well that the mess we're in was caused by them and that it can't be fixed so quickly.

if you look at the tone of republican politicians and pundits, and even those on this board, you could almost get the impression that they want the USA to do badly and stay that way. why? It's the only way they get power back.

if Obama bashers on this board are correct, then what he's doing is bad for the country and things will get worse. As rush said, they want him to fail. They want the USA to go to shit so republicans can win.

it's kind of like christians and the rapture. it's a day when billions of other people get tortured and punished, but at least they get a reward. the mere mention of it gives them orgasms. slap rapture on a show or book and they buy it up.

same thing goin on now with politics

[mwillman]

this was to be expected

republicans have been chomping at the bit since the election to lay blame for everything on Obama. some didn't even wait a month or two. they know very well that the mess we're in was caused by them and that it can't be fixed so quickly.

if you look at the tone of republican politicians and pundits, and even those on this board, you could almost get the impression that they want the USA to do badly and stay that way. why? It's the only way they get power back.

if Obama bashers on this board are correct, then what he's doing is bad for the country and things will get worse. As rush said, they want him to fail. They want the USA to go to shit so republicans can win.

it's kind of like christians and the rapture. it's a day when billions of other people get tortured and punished, but at least they get a reward. the mere mention of it gives them orgasms. slap rapture on a show or book and they buy it up.

same thing goin on now with politics


Very well put, :thumbsup:

they don't seem to be able to find happiness unless that includes the suffering of others. Its truly disgusting.

[doctordog]

this was to be expected

republicans have been chomping at the bit since the election to lay blame for everything on Obama. some didn't even wait a month or two. they know very well that the mess we're in was caused by them and that it can't be fixed so quickly.

if you look at the tone of republican politicians and pundits, and even those on this board, you could almost get the impression that they want the USA to do badly and stay that way. why? It's the only way they get power back.

if Obama bashers on this board are correct, then what he's doing is bad for the country and things will get worse. As rush said, they want him to fail. They want the USA to go to shit so republicans can win.

it's kind of like christians and the rapture. it's a day when billions of other people get tortured and punished, but at least they get a reward. the mere mention of it gives them orgasms. slap rapture on a show or book and they buy it up.

same thing goin on now with politics

Not exactly, Obama is playing smoking mirrors with taxpayer money. The stimulus money for highways is not going of highways. Less that 1 percent of that stimulus has made it to state highway funding. We are calling Obama on his lies for what he says he is doing. He is failing on his own without anyone's help.

[mwillman]

Please, the only thing you have is a serious case of hate and lies.

[doctordog]

Please, the only thing you have is a serious case of hate and lies.

Common answer for someone that knows dick about transportation funding and how it works.

[mwillman]

Please you are full of shit, You are just spewing the same crap that comes out of the right wing media cabal. The only thing you have learned to do is parrot Rush.

[doctordog]

Please you are full of shit, You are just spewing the same crap that comes out of the right wing media cabal. The only thing you have learned to do is parrot Rush.

Again couch potato, read up on transportation funding and how it works and get back to me.

[mwillman]

Again I am not interested in Rushisms.

You are a liar and a bigot so why dont you take your lies and misrepresetations of the facts and shove them becuase you have proved nothing but your own ignorance.

[doctordog]

Again I am not interested in Rushisms.

You are a liar and a bigot so why dont you take your lies and misrepresetations of the facts and shove them becuase you have proved nothing but your own ignorance.

Why not finish your semen sundae so your post make some sense.:lmao2:

[bairdi]

Your IQ just dropped 30 points, Romney was an economics genius compared to any candidate on either side. Obama is like a little boy in a candy store with your savings account number.
If Romney was JC himself, he could not reverse this economy in six months. GM and Chrysler would still have declared bankruptcy, the only difference is that Romney most likely would have let both go out of business. He probably would not have an economic stimulus and so the recession would be even deeper and unemployment ever greater than it is now. I don't care how much magic he has in that underwear, economic conditions would not be one iota better if he had been elected.

[doctordog]

If Romney was JC himself, he could not reverse this economy in six months. GM and Chrysler would still have declared bankruptcy, the only difference is that Romney most likely would have let both go out of business. He probably would not have an economic stimulus and so the recession would be even deeper and unemployment ever greater than it is now. I don't care how much magic he has in that underwear, economic conditions would not be one iota better if he had been elected.

That is how the US became a strong economy to begin with. The mismanaged fail and new business picks up the slack with a better product and economic policy. You don't keep throwing money at bad management, that is being an enabler. It is like sending money to a crack addict.

[bairdi]

That is how the US became a strong economy to begin with. The mismanaged fail and new business picks up the slack with a better product and economic policy. You don't keep throwing money at bad management, that is being an enabler. It is like sending money to a crack addict.
You do realize that we no longer have the economic model we did 50 years ago and that we now have a world economy? When an American business fails, "the slack" is most likely picked up by a foreign corporation and in no way helps the US become a stronger economy.

[doctordog]

You do realize that we no longer have the economic model we did 50 years ago and that we now have a world economy? When an American business fails, "the slack" is most likely picked up by a foreign corporation and in no way helps the US become a stronger economy.

It doesn't have to be that way, if you really feel that way though, let's tell Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Mercedes, and Hyundai to get the fuck out!

[Moby]

Obama has a small load compared to what Reagan inherited from Jimmy Carter. Obama is showing that he has little focus and only cares about "bling" just like other celebrities like him.
In what ways?

Unemployment was still at 7.2% where Carter took office as when he left.

Reagan did NOT inherit two wars that Carter could not finish.

Reagan inherited a tax plan that paid the bills as there was a very small deficit. Obama inherited $1 Trillion budget deficit and even larger spending deficit.

Carter didn't take a healthy economy and destroy it. He took a bad economy and didn't improve it.

Bush took one the best situations any president had on day one and took us to where we are today. Obama needs to fix it.

It took Reagan two years before we started seeing any results and he had tools to use. How long do you think it would take any president to fix this mess?

[Mr, gone]

All you little minds bickering over who in what administration caused this to happen...:lmao2: It includes ALL who were in office throughout these last 40years, as it was them who continued to propagate the mantra 'capitalaism cannot fail' - and everyone should now be seeing the reality of their actions.

Iv'e sensed this catastrophe happening for a few years now. IMO we are on the verge of a similar fate as Russia. ALL forms of governance improperly run over decades will ultimately fail. Bend over america, your punishment of complacency (and continuing to elect the two party imcompetence) is now being delivered!:disbelief:

[Bill Cosby]

In what ways?

Unemployment was still at 7.2% where Carter took office as when he left.

Reagan did NOT inherit two wars that Carter could not finish.

Reagan inherited a tax plan that paid the bills as there was a very small deficit. Obama inherited $1 Trillion budget deficit and even larger spending deficit.

Carter didn't take a healthy economy and destroy it. He took a bad economy and didn't improve it.

Bush took one the best situations any president had on day one and took us to where we are today. Obama needs to fix it.

It took Reagan two years before we started seeing any results and he had tools to use. How long do you think it would take any president to fix this mess?


Well said.................:thumbsup:

[Bill Cosby]

All you little minds bickering over who in what administration caused this to happen...:lmao2: It includes ALL who were in office throughout these last 40years, as it was them who continued to propagate the mantra 'capitalaism cannot fail' - and everyone should now be seeing the reality of their actions.

Iv'e sensed this catastrophe happening for a few years now. IMO we are on the verge of a similar fate as Russia. ALL forms of governance improperly run over decades will ultimately fail. Bend over america, your punishment of complacency (and continuing to elect the two party imcompetence) is now being delivered!:disbelief:

Sure it has been building.......... :banghead:

& building & building............ They all played their part............ Only Ronnie was lucky enough to not be around when them chXn'Z came home to roost...

I agree the two war party dumbOcracy is a huge problem............

I don't believe this is necessarily a failure of capitalism but rather a failure of those two parties & their handlers..

........>>>>>> Many of the same ppl that spearheaded the dereg are now around to "fiX" it................:banghead: IMO many of these fools should be @ the end of a spearhead- heading to jail rather than participating in a recovery...

[Dale escondido]

Again I have admitted that the economy during Reagan election was bad but it wasn't worse then what Bush did and that doesn't even count the Fucking war in Iraq. 8 years of huge spending and what do we as Americans have to show for it, Nothing.

At least Obama is spending American Tax dollars on Americans, you right wing nuts seem to love Iraq more then you do the US of A.

I agree obama is faced with a bigger challenge than reagan.
But it has been coming since the reagan-carter era not just bush.
But ask yourself this, if bush had won a third term(I know hypothetical) would the spending you see nowadays be ok?
Now dont lie to yourself.

[mwillman]

IT depends on what the spending is for, if its for Americans and America then no I do not have a problem with the spending. When its for Iraq and Haliburton then yes I have a problem with the spending.

[Bill Cosby]

I agree obama is faced with a bigger challenge than reagan.
But it has been coming since the reagan-carter era not just bush.
But ask yourself this, if bush had won a third term(I know hypothetical) would the spending you see nowadays be ok?
Now dont lie to yourself.

Money is going to be spent... bush spent a helllVAlot of it...........

Why not rather ask on what it is to be spent on???

[Bill Cosby]

IT depends on what the spending is for, if its for Americans and America then no I do not have a problem with the spending. When its for Iraq and Haliburton then yes I have a problem with the spending.

:thumbsup: Agreed 100%..............

[ROdger Right]

What you foolish liberals do not understand is that one of the few things people should be alright with government spending is the milatary aspect of it.
Not the government take over of car companies, and healthcare because it will not work. Even if I have to destory it myself it will not work.

Government is a necessary evil as our founding fathers put it and you wish to expand its powers because your a bunch of faggots who don't wish to understand the governments boundries of spending.

[Bill Cosby]

Where did the founding fathers say it was a necessary evil......LINK IT UP!!!!

You are probably the least knowledgeable, least educated person I have ran into in some time...... Granted I like you as a person & I am sure you are a great kid but really you don't have any idea what you are talking about...

Pls son, go take out the trash & feed the cat........... Something you are better suited for......... Then after your summer school homework you can hit that skate board for an hour or two.........

[mwillman]

Not when the Military Industrial Complex runs the nation and we go into unnecessary wars that do nothing but enrich those that invest in death.

Not when We spend more on the military then the rest of the world. Not when the media preaches fear 24/7 so that that we are manipulated into supporting economic imperialism in the guise of democracy.

Not when wars are made on tactics and objects, I.E. Terror and Drugs.

You want to cut back on spending then lets stop invading 3rd world nations and keeping troops stationed around the world. We are more then capable of defending ourselves without being the worlds police force.

We are rebuilding two nations and what exactly do the tax payers get for the trillions going into rebuilding Iraq. I tell you what, nothing.

[Bill Cosby]

YEP..... AMEN

[ROdger Right]

Cosby I love it when you ask me to link something that I read from a quoate. You really do make what I do easier.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=72824

Thomas Paine convinced this nation to go to war so he is a credible person to listin too. Thomas Paine who said that "government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil."

If you wish to cut down on milatary spending, then we have to create a system that completley portects us from any and all missles. Until we create this shield there will be no end to milatary spending.

[Dale escondido]

Not when the Military Industrial Complex runs the nation and we go into unnecessary wars that do nothing but enrich those that invest in death.

Not when We spend more on the military then the rest of the world. Not when the media preaches fear 24/7 so that that we are manipulated into supporting economic imperialism in the guise of democracy.

Not when wars are made on tactics and objects, I.E. Terror and Drugs.

You want to cut back on spending then lets stop invading 3rd world nations and keeping troops stationed around the world. We are more then capable of defending ourselves without being the worlds police force.

We are rebuilding two nations and what exactly do the tax payers get for the trillions going into rebuilding Iraq. I tell you what, nothing.

I cant disagree with alot of what you said,I was against and knew america didnt have the will to see iraq thru so opposed it. I even learned to keep my mouth shut when the country got war fever.
But a strong military will probably be necessary a long time after all of us are gone and sadly so.
But obama spending on bailouts for business and nationalising business is obviously ok as very little money has gone to any stimilus projects.
Hes so much just another bush with the same people and the same results coming.

[Bill Cosby]

Cosby I love it when you ask me to link something that I read from a quoate. You really do make what I do easier.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=72824
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You should have just linked it the first time that would have been easier...... Thus you would have accomplised in one post what it now took you two.... (just a thought)

This is not the founding fathers... That is a founding father.... His opinion...............

I admit though I was surprised you knew it. SO you must be in 11th grade now?? SO this is fresh in that head.......... I guess you don't smoke dope till after this class......lol

[Smurf-Herder]

We came to the "verge of collapse" in less than 6 months after 8 years of strong and sound policy?

Gimme a break. This is way too insane for you Smurf.

Is that what I actually said?

I don't think so.

[Mr, gone]

IMO War is only an evil necessity when a government used to manipulate it's people. Our government utilizes this tool to perpetuate numerous agendas. The first being the control of it's people via fearmongering, such as the war on terror and communism. The second is to intimidate those nations of which it either wants resources from, or feels the need to create a miltary presence in - such as Iraq and Vietnam. The Third reason is purely finantial, spending on our bloated military is quite possibly the only thing keeping our economy afloat (though this too will end).

This once well respected (and wealthy) country could cut it's military budjet in half, if they would stop acting like the world's school yard bully and simply protect it's own borders! it situation should be clear to all of this reality - look how pourous this countries borders are...:disbelief:

[Bill Cosby]

Yep............

Funny........... From the right to the left the gov, our gov does not seem to be doing our will......... They are doing the corporate will.........

If the MIC had to stop building tanks & jets they could start building road equipment, playground equipment & schools........ Seems like all them BILLIONS could buy a lot of that & employee lots of ppl........

@ least in the end we would have something to show for it........ Something that is going to make life better for Americans......

Think of all the money wasted in these two wars....... We would have free healthcare cradle to grave....... Free education???

Not sure the ppl bombed w/ these resources are appreciating it very much.lol