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disrupter
07-04-2009, 12:12 AM
Despite the false propaganda to the contrary,
Hamas has NOT been shown to use human shields,

Israel on the other dirty hand DOES use civilians as human shields.

Israel's human shields draw fire

Human rights groups return to court over army's use of Palestinian civilians
Chris McGreal, Hebron
The Guardian, Thursday 2 January 2003 01.32 GMT

Basem Maswadeh knew he was in trouble when an Israeli soldier pushed him into the barber's chair and reached for the clippers.

The humiliation of a shaved head - or, more accurately, having chunks of hair ripped out by the brutal wielding of the shears - was the start of an ordeal that culminated with Mr Maswadeh and two friends standing in a Hebron street as Israeli troops shot over their shoulders at stone-throwing Palestinians.

"The soldiers hid behind our backs as they pushed us forward," said Mr Maswadeh. "Then they put their guns on our shoulders and began shooting. We felt our eardrums burning, but when we tried to put our hands over our ears, they beat our hands away. The noise was terrible because the gun was right next to my ear."

The [Israeli] soldiers fired dozens of plastic bullets, using the three Palestinian men as [human] shields, before the crowd dispersed.

In May, as Israeli human rights groups sought a supreme court order barring soldiers from seeking protection behind human shields after their widespread use during the army's assaults on Jenin and other West Bank cities, the military admitted the policy was illegal and said it would stop.

But human rights groups will return to court on Sunday to argue that the army has only ended such abuses selectively, and is in breach of court orders.

"The method is the same each time," says Israel's most prominent human rights group, B'Tselem. "Soldiers pick a civilian at random and force him to do dangerous tasks that put their lives at risk."

Sergeant Nati Aharoni gave the army magazine, B'Mahaneh, an example of a case showing how they go about it.

"We had previously seized this building, so we were concerned that explosives would be waiting for us when we came back. Acting according to customary practice in such cases, we took a Palestinian who lived nearby and had him comb the site. He opened all the doors and cabinets, and didn't find anything," he said. "We shook his hand and said thanks."

The army says it has issued an order barring the use of human shields, but it contends that another policy, known as the "neighbour procedure", can continue because it is not illegal.

The "neighbour procedure" involves soldiers "requesting" of civilian that they enter buildings and demand that wanted men inside surrender. Human rights groups say that almost no one does such a thing voluntarily.

In August, soldiers pressed 19-year old Nidal Abu Mukhsan to enter the house of a Hamas activist and tell him to come out quietly. The activist, Nasser Jarar, mistook Mr Abu Mukhsan for a soldier and shot him fatally in the head.

The army says it is not at fault. It says Israeli soldiers "did not go into the building with him, so there are no grounds for contending that this was a case of using a human shield".

But human rights groups say the "neighbour procedure" is in direct contravention of a second court order, in August, barring its use, yet it is still widespread.

"The army is really convinced that use of the "neighbour procedure" protects civilians," said Yael Stein, the research director of B'Tselem.

"They say that if a Palestinian is knocking on the door, then anyone inside is less likely to start shooting. They have told the court this. But this is very dangerous for the people they force to do it, and it is completely illegal under international law."

Mr Maswadeh's experience in Hebron followed a different pattern. He owns a barber's shop. Like many firms, it defies the Israeli curfew. That is how Hebron's Palestinians survive.

When an army patrol swept along the road on December 3, shopkeepers quickly brought their shutters down. But the soldiers wanted to know who was in the barber's.

"We were scared," said Mr Maswadeh. "When the soldiers pay attention to you, they always abuse you. We did not want to open the door."

So the four Israeli soldiers grabbed the owner of the neighbouring grocery shop, Bilel Abu Qwaider.

"They told me, 'We are going to break your bones and destroy your shop if you don't get your neighbour to open his door,'" Mr Abu Qwaider said. "They were pointing their guns at me and threatening to shoot everyone inside. I begged Basem to open."

The barber realised he had little choice. "There were five of us, and they took us one by one into the street and beat us," Mr Maswadeh said. "Then they brought us back in and a soldier ordered me to sit in the barber's chair."

"He grabbed the electric clipper and brought it very slowly down on my head. It was very painful. I was bleeding because he was ripping my hair out. I knew I was in trouble when I opened the door, but I never imagined this."

Word of the beatings at the barber's shop quickly spread, and a crowd began throwing stones at the soldiers. It was then that Mr Maswadeh and two friends were marched outside and used as shields as the soldiers fired into the crowd.

When the mob backed off, the incident took another strange twist.

"They took pictures of us. They took some pointing their guns at us, and some resting their guns on our heads. One of the soldiers had a picture taken of him using one of my friends as a chair," Mr Maswadeh said.

The army's attorney general says he has ordered a military police investigation into the case.

Human rights groups say the army only investigates when forced by publicity, and it rarely punishes those responsible for such abuses. They say the military's attitude to people in the occupied territories was exposed by the Israeli army chief of staff, Moshe Ya'alon, when in a newspaper interview he likened the Palestinians to cancer and said he was administering chemotherapy.

"There is no doubt a culture of impunity," said Ms Stein. "Soldiers are rarely charged. There are not many military police investigations. Soldiers can do what they want.

The message soldiers are getting is, 'Don't violate the law, but we won't do anything if you do, unless it's a severe case'. The message is blurred," she said. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jan/02/israel1

Hog Trash
07-05-2009, 08:20 AM
Those aren't humans, they're savages.

Are you seriously going to take the word of savages who wouldn't think twice about beheading a baby for simply being American or Jewish?

radioguy
07-05-2009, 02:05 PM
Those aren't humans, they're savages.

Are you seriously going to take the word of savages who wouldn't think twice about beheading a baby for simply being American or Jewish?

Yes, he is...

Terrorist good.... Jews bad.

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MintJulep
07-05-2009, 02:07 PM
Those aren't humans, they're savages.

Are you seriously going to take the word of savages who wouldn't think twice about beheading a baby for simply being American or Jewish?A -freaking-MEN

MintJulep
07-05-2009, 02:07 PM
Terrorist good.... Jews bad.

.:lmao2: Yep.

Bill Cosby
07-06-2009, 01:04 AM
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disrupter
07-06-2009, 06:17 AM
Palestinians are not 'savages' as the bigot Hoggy barks.

Jews are not any more good or bad than any other peoples.
Not all Israelis are bad, many of them stand up vocally & loudly against the murderous regime of bigotry that has overtaken their nation.

We need to let the bigoted majority of Israelis know that we are not blind to their murder & violent oppression of Palestinians, just trying to conduct business & improve their lives.

The abuses that have been unilaterally foisted on Palestinians are obscene & shocking once the stark truth is exposed.

disrupter
07-06-2009, 06:19 AM
The American right exposes itself as anti-Arab bigots.

And blind, unthinking bigotry is IRRATIONAL.

America needs to regain rationality, sanity & follow the imperfect guide of science as well as measured inspiration.

Bill Cosby
07-06-2009, 06:46 AM
Palestinians are not 'savages' as the bigot Hoggy barks.

Jews are not any more good or bad than any other peoples.
Not all Israelis are bad, many of them stand up vocally & loudly against the murderous regime of bigotry that has overtaken their nation.

We need to let the bigoted majority of Israelis know that we are not blind to their murder & violent oppression of Palestinians, just trying to conduct business & improve their lives.

The abuses that have been unilaterally foisted on Palestinians are obscene & shocking once the stark truth is exposed.

Great points. Ppl are ppl. good, bad & ugly........... No better/worse than anyone else........

Calling ppl savages, like the Americans before him did, serves as a justification rather than a qualification...

Note how poorly the pauper in the trailer uses the "savages" Phonetic alphabet & "Arab numerals"....... :thumbsup:

ROdger Right
07-06-2009, 04:07 PM
Great points. Ppl are ppl. good, bad & ugly........... No better/worse than anyone else........

Calling ppl savages, like the Americans before him did, serves as a justification rather than a qualification...

Note how poorly the pauper in the trailer uses the "savages" Phonetic alphabet & "Arab numerals"....... :thumbsup:

Yes, cosby but they're last great achievements happened thousands of years ago and they really should learn to keep pace with the rest of the modern world which seems to be a major problem as the modern world refuses to live like its the 11th century.:hi:

radioguy
07-06-2009, 04:11 PM
The American right exposes itself as anti-Arab bigots.

And blind, unthinking bigotry is IRRATIONAL.

America needs to regain rationality, sanity & follow the imperfect guide of science as well as measured inspiration.

We are anti-terrorist bigots... and damn proud of it too.

Chew on this video taken this past weekend of American Muslims and their tolerance:

fEPod-hxD7g

Bill Cosby
07-06-2009, 04:22 PM
Yes, cosby but they're last great achievements happened thousands of years ago and they really should learn to keep pace with the rest of the modern world which seems to be a major problem as the modern world refuses to live like its the 11th century.:hi:

Both great civilizations have @ times been inferior (in their own minds) to each other........... I guess you knew that???

11th century.......... :lmao2:

I hear this shit all the time.... How back wards "they are".........

Legal segregation in this country ended only forty years ago.........

The repeal of laws-interracial marriage, sex acts, discrimination against women etc.......... It damn sure was not 900 years ago now was it....:hi:

Lets see what some of the accomplishments were for us civilized folks........

They chop heads off we electrocute.......... I think hanging was not that long ago...

We nuked two cities full of women & children..... & they did what equivalent???

We fired bombed German cities full of women & children.......... & they did what equivalent???

We invaded Vietnam's civil war killing millions there & in the surrounding countries they are still being blown up by unexploded ordnance... The effects of agent orange- birth defects etc is still going on- & they did what equivalent???

Bill Cosby
07-06-2009, 04:37 PM
We are anti-terrorist bigots... and damn proud of it too.

Chew on this video taken this past weekend of American Muslims and their tolerance:


Interesting clip........ ThnX...

Thus far there has been no terrorist acts by these ppl........ Being bullies does not make them terrorists........

IMO those Christians were fully w/in their rights to be there & ask whatever they want. Especially of those advocating ppl ask........

It was a bit provocative & I believe meant to be so...

ALos IMHO these "Christians" walking around w/ cameras doing this is no more representative of Christianity or America then those fools in acid green are Representative of Islam.......

my 2cents

ROdger Right
07-06-2009, 04:40 PM
Both great civilizations have @ times been inferior (in their own minds) to each other........... I guess you knew that???

11th century.......... :lmao2:

I hear this shit all the time.... How back wards "they are".........

Legal segregation in this country ended only forty years ago.........

The repeal of laws-interracial marriage, sex acts, discrimination against women etc.......... It damn sure was not 900 years ago now was it....:hi:

Lets see what some of the accomplishments were for us civilized folks........

They chop heads off we electrocute.......... I think hanging was not that long ago...

We nuked two cities full of women & children..... & they did what equivalent???

We fired bombed German cities full of women & children.......... & they did what equivalent???

We invaded Vietnam's civil war killing millions there & in the surrounding countries they are still being blown up by unexploded ordnance... The effects of agent orange- birth defects etc is still going on- & they did what equivalent???

Of course you have a problem with area bombing now that your bitch ass is nice and safe. On this point go fuck your self you pussy ass bitch mother fuckin faggot.

You use wars how awesome. 90% of your argument is wars. Dealing with peace time dealings not enemies of the nation at war. As we all know the inncoent die with the rest in a war so please stop there. As i have argured with you on these points before.

There are places int he world where segragation works and is used peacfully.
This took place because of the north's inability to see that just having control of the white house is not sufficent.

We may have been segragated not to long ago. But im confused because are you asking me to make comments about the muslims way of life? Lick a burning pan to see if you are inncoent. Up to date legal system:hi:

As you and I will never be any more than infidels I rest my case.

ROdger Right
07-06-2009, 04:46 PM
So because we killed mass amount of people through fire does that mean that was a wrong choice only because we didn't use gas? As that is the humane way to go as the Nazis' have the moral highground in this agrument. What a point you tried to make how how utterly doomed it was to fail.

Bill Cosby
07-06-2009, 04:56 PM
Of course you have a problem with area bombing now that your bitch ass is nice and safe. On this point go fuck your self you pussy ass bitch mother fuckin faggot.

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Gee lil roggie sounds upset......... :lmao2: :lmao2:

:thumbsup:

Tuff shit kid............

Yea just gonna have ta rub it in yea chest..........

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disrupter
07-06-2009, 08:11 PM
Radical Israeli extremists coat a journalist with spit & hit her in the head because they don't want a car park to be open on Saturday, & because she lifted a finger to pull out her tape recorder.

Who the FUCK are the terrorists really?

Right wing extremist Americans are the terrorists.

Selling out & betraying America to these violent, sickening religious fanatics.

The American right wing are nothing but treasonous, terrorist traitors.

Shoot them on sight.

Hog Trash
07-06-2009, 10:09 PM
We are anti-terrorist bigots... and damn proud of it too.

Chew on this video taken this past weekend of American Muslims and their tolerance:

fEPod-hxD7gAmerica is in bad need of cleansing....A baptism in the blood of muslims.

Hopefully it will happen soon and spread around the world to all nations afflicted.

Bill Cosby
07-06-2009, 10:26 PM
Now the trailerpark prince is calling for the next holocaust.........

You really are a sad sick person..........

radioguy
07-06-2009, 10:37 PM
Interesting clip........ ThnX...

Thus far there has been no terrorist acts by these ppl........ Being bullies does not make them terrorists........

You're welcome... And just for the record, I never said they were terrorists... Just American Muslims.

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Bill Cosby
07-06-2009, 10:53 PM
My bad.... I guess I thought the first line related to the clip......

Hog Trash
07-06-2009, 11:05 PM
America is in bad need of cleansing....A baptism in the blood of muslims.

Hopefully it will happen soon and spread around the world to all nations afflicted.Now the trailerpark prince is calling for the next holocaust.........

You really are a sad sick person..........Hmmm?...Why do I suspect that if I had substituted the word "muslim" with "American" or "Christian" you wouldn't have minded?

If I am truely a bigot, at least unlike you, the people I target are enemies of America and Americans...Where do your loyalties lie?

You sound aloof and a little on the snobby side and appear to think poorly of those less fortunate than you who live in "trailerparks"?

Please allow me to apoligize...I wasn't aware that I was addressing a person of obvious class and stature, possibly even royalty. :bowdown:

Bill Cosby
07-06-2009, 11:31 PM
Hmmm?...Why do I suspect that if I had substituted the word "muslim" with "American" or "Christian" you wouldn't have minded?

If I am truely a bigot, at least unlike you, the people I target are enemies of America and Americans...Where do your loyalties lie?

You sound aloof and a little on the snobby side and appear to think poorly of those less fortunate than you who live in "trailerparks"?

Please allow me to apoligize...I wasn't aware that I was addressing a person of obvious class and stature, possibly even royalty. :bowdown:

Hmmm?...Why do I suspect that if I had substituted the word "muslim" with "American" or "Christian" you wouldn't have minded?

Well what I would suggest then is you pull a prophet Nathan.... Now go find out what that means & we can discuss it if you like....:thumbsup:

If I am truely a bigot, at least unlike you, the people I target are enemies of America and Americans...Where do your loyalties lie?

Wrong again son...... Muslims are not your enemy. In fact if your experience here is any indication of the rest of your life, you in fact may be your own worst enemy.......... Just a thought!!!!

Here is bush the lessor holding hands w/ your enemy. Shame on him... DO they now both deserve death??http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-s0sq-I-Ufg/SdkFv6ouCcI/AAAAAAAAAE4/LECSavcVP90/s400/bush+saudi+king+3.jpg.jpeg

Hog Trash
07-07-2009, 12:21 AM
Well what I would suggest then is you pull a prophet Nathan.... Now go find out what that means & we can discuss it if you like....:thumbsup:Couldn't care less.
Wrong again son...... Muslims are not your enemy. In fact if your experience here is any indication of the rest of your life, you in fact may be your own worst enemy.......... Just a thought!!!!So, besides myself who should I consider my second worst enemy, oh wise one?

Independent Harry
07-07-2009, 12:39 AM
Couldn't care less.
So, besides myself who should I consider my second worst enemy, oh wise one?

You're fear of the things you refuse to educate yourself about...

Hog Trash
07-07-2009, 01:15 AM
You're fear of the things you refuse to educate yourself about...What are the things that I "refuse to educate" myself about Harry?

Bill Cosby
07-07-2009, 10:18 PM
Couldn't care less.
So, besides myself who should I consider my second worst enemy, oh wise one?:lmao2:

That, grasshoppA', is for you to decide....

I would imagine someone such as yourself already have a list...:(

Hog Trash
07-07-2009, 11:24 PM
:lmao2:

That, grasshoppA', is for you to decide....

I would imagine someone such as yourself already have a list...:(Just as I thought.......Your credibility is in the gutter Cosby.

It seems every post I read of yours only confirms my suspicions.

Don't be shocked if I should not respond to your posts in the future.

Bill Cosby
07-07-2009, 11:34 PM
Just as I thought.......Your credibility is in the gutter Cosby.

It seems every post I read of yours only confirms my suspicions.

Don't be shocked if I should not respond to your posts in the future.

:lmao2:

After the ass I proved you to be I am really surprised you responded @ all.......:hi:

I guess you wanted me to confirm your paranoid "suspicions"??? lol

I am not your therapist.... :thumbsup:

You wanna play that game go head...... But you might wanna take into consideration you aint very good @ that either....

When you ready to move out of the fifties come see me son........ I will be there for yea......... Lending a helping hand (the good liberal that I am.:lmao2: )

Hog Trash
07-08-2009, 12:21 AM
What wonderful people muslims are...How could Israel be so cruel?...I wonder if the lady being beatin is that childs mother?

Bill Cosby
07-08-2009, 05:07 PM
So judge a billion ppl based on a few idiots & haters..............

Lord forbid that the rest of the world judge this nation by ppl like you............

Just a thought................. :)

Hog Trash
07-12-2009, 10:39 PM
So judge a billion ppl based on a few idiots & haters..............

Lord forbid that the rest of the world judge this nation by ppl like you............

Just a thought................. :)This is the law of the land in Islam....Sharia Law, boy!

What you don't seem to understand is, this is not just the actions of "a few idiots & haters".

This does not take place in secrecy, back allies or dark basements, but in broad daylight and public places for all to see.

This is legally practiced and condoned by all....If it is not the will of a billion muslims, why is it still law?

Open your eyes to the evil and savagery of Islam....Despite their public displays of brutality, you live in denial....How blind!