Gallup: Liberals Dwindling in America.

[SeniorChief]

Good!

"PRINCETON, NJ -- Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s."

[MintJulep]

Love how the "moderates" are 35%. That means those too chicken to admit what they are to a pollster.

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[doctordog]

Love how the "moderates" are 35%. That means those too chicken to admit what they are to a pollster.

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I don't blame them, I wouldn't want to tell anyone I voted for the banana eater either!

[bluejunk44]

Put it in a different perspective. Think of an issue that today's conservatives support, like women's right to vote. Think back to a time when that wasn't acceptable. Same goes for dozens of other issues.

Doesn't matter how people label themselves, some things are going to change. In the future a conservative will be a person that supports something like gay marriage, for example. It won't even be an issue just as slavery isn't an issue today. You don't see people on the cable news shows debating whether drinking fountains should be separated between ethnic groups.

Liberals are trying to push us into the future on most issues that everyone will eventually agree with them on. Conservatives are busy trying to pull us back or hold us still. It's a battle they will never win.

[radioguy]

Liberals are trying to push us into the future on most issues that everyone will eventually agree with them on. Conservatives are busy trying to pull us back or hold us still. It's a battle they will never win.

OMG... Are you serious?

Americans don't want government control of the private sector. Americans want a free society, with a free market economy, and will never agree to the socialist utopia Obama and liberals spew.

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[The Professor]

Put it in a different perspective. Think of an issue that today's conservatives support, like women's right to vote. Think back to a time when that wasn't acceptable. Same goes for dozens of other issues.

Doesn't matter how people label themselves, some things are going to change. In the future a conservative will be a person that supports something like gay marriage, for example. It won't even be an issue just as slavery isn't an issue today. You don't see people on the cable news shows debating whether drinking fountains should be separated between ethnic groups.

Liberals are trying to push us into the future on most issues that everyone will eventually agree with them on. Conservatives are busy trying to pull us back or hold us still. It's a battle they will never win.

what a cartoon picture you color crayon

you stay very neatly within the lines, however

and i applaud your use of pomegranate

cliff

[bluejunk44]

proof is in the pudding

over our country's history people have had to fight for change on many issues. eventually they win, sometimes it just takes awhile. as I said, modern politicians would never speak out against things that used to be illegal even though politicians at that time stood for it proudly.

present issues are no different. do you see Cheney getting on Meet the Press and supporting the notion that it should be illegal for people of different races to marry? No, of course not. 20, 50, 100 years from now the same will be said for many current issues. as the years go by, more young people aren't tied to the senseless beliefs that older conservatives hold on to.

the labels hardly mean anything. you can call someone a liberal but, that holds little water considering the definition of such a label has always been changing. i'm not assigning all of this to the conservatives necessarily, given that at some point in our history progressives (as labeled for at least for that point in time) supported the issues I mentioned as well.

so both sides share some responsibility on this. after all, even Obama said he was against gay marriage, but that won't even be an issue that's discussed eventually because it will be legal everywhere and not something that's even mentioned in political debates.

[Mr. Blue]

Love how the "moderates" are 35%. That means those too chicken to admit what they are to a pollster.

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No, it means they're moderates with commonsense.

[Hog Trash]

Ahhh what a beautiful thought....An end to liberalism in America....Most all problems would be solved overnight.

World peace, prosperity, love and happiness.....All of the birds are singing, put on a happy face. :D

[ROdger Right]

proof is in the pudding

over our country's history people have had to fight for change on many issues. eventually they win, sometimes it just takes awhile. as I said, modern politicians would never speak out against things that used to be illegal even though politicians at that time stood for it proudly.

present issues are no different. do you see Cheney getting on Meet the Press and supporting the notion that it should be illegal for people of different races to marry? No, of course not. 20, 50, 100 years from now the same will be said for many current issues. as the years go by, more young people aren't tied to the senseless beliefs that older conservatives hold on to.

the labels hardly mean anything. you can call someone a liberal but, that holds little water considering the definition of such a label has always been changing. i'm not assigning all of this to the conservatives necessarily, given that at some point in our history progressives (as labeled for at least for that point in time) supported the issues I mentioned as well.

so both sides share some responsibility on this. after all, even Obama said he was against gay marriage, but that won't even be an issue that's discussed eventually because it will be legal everywhere and not something that's even mentioned in political debates.

This change you speak of also brings up dictators with complete control which is something a retarded person such as your self is unable to understand whichis why conservatives are here to stop this and handle these situations over a long process which has proven to work.

[The Professor]

proof is in the pudding

over our country's history people have had to fight for change on many issues. eventually they win, sometimes it just takes awhile. as I said, modern politicians would never speak out against things that used to be illegal even though politicians at that time stood for it proudly.

present issues are no different. do you see Cheney getting on Meet the Press and supporting the notion that it should be illegal for people of different races to marry? No, of course not. 20, 50, 100 years from now the same will be said for many current issues. as the years go by, more young people aren't tied to the senseless beliefs that older conservatives hold on to.

the labels hardly mean anything. you can call someone a liberal but, that holds little water considering the definition of such a label has always been changing. i'm not assigning all of this to the conservatives necessarily, given that at some point in our history progressives (as labeled for at least for that point in time) supported the issues I mentioned as well.

so both sides share some responsibility on this. after all, even Obama said he was against gay marriage, but that won't even be an issue that's discussed eventually because it will be legal everywhere and not something that's even mentioned in political debates.

sure, i see what you're saying

it's like evolution

late term abortion, partial birth, infanticide---all just a matter of time

legalized drugs, from normal to subsidized heroin for the junkies

gay marriage, group marriage, man-boy nambla unions, bestiality

just the difference between the future and the past

you color so vividly!

cliff

[bluejunk44]

This change you speak of also brings up dictators with complete control which is something a retarded person such as your self is unable to understand whichis why conservatives are here to stop this and handle these situations over a long process which has proven to work.

something like that depends on different factors. also follow your logic through. if there's a stance on an issue that people are trying to change and those fighting that change are doing the right thing, then those in the past fighting change on particular issues were in the right.

i dare any politician to stand up and declare such a thing on specific issues of the past that have since been changed in law and public will.


sure, i see what you're saying

it's like evolution

late term abortion, partial birth, infanticide---all just a matter of time

legalized drugs, from normal to subsidized heroin for the junkies

gay marriage, group marriage, man-boy nambla unions, bestiality

just the difference between the future and the past

you color so vividly!

There is an evolution to our laws and culture. Some of these things you list seem absurd, as that was your intent, but in the future it won't be seen that way. It also probably won't progress as you've listed. My vision of the future requires explaining.

For one, deadly drugs are already legal. You can legally go buy a variety of drugs that will lead to your death if used. Either the nature of the drug kills or misuse of the drug kills. Tobacco and alcohol would be the two biggest examples. I think half a million Americans die each year from those two products.

As for things like heroin and crack, there's several points to be made. First off, there's already synthetic versions of illegal drugs. Methadone would be one example. It's legally distributed to addicts as part of recovery. It's very conceivable that at some point in the future there will be hundreds or thousands of synthetic drugs which give the high and don't give the crash or addiction. Recreational drugs without negative consequence. In fact, there's already substances like that freely available. Hell, there's natural ways to achieve it like sex. It's only a matter of time before science masters those and some company starts distributing orgasm pills.

Also let's consider the right's stance on things like personal freedom and personal responsibility. If anything they should be advocating for removing laws against illegal drugs. If you're gonna support the right for something like Tobacco being legal then you should be doing the same for pot, heroin, and everything else.



About abortion. Let's get one thing out of the way. The vast majority of the people against it are religious to some degree. They believe in a human soul. That's what's at the heart of this. If a human body has no soul then it's just a bunch of flesh and bones. It means nothing. The problem with this debate is that the existence of a human soul can't be proven. Even if it could, we would then have to determine the point of time when that soul enters the human body.

My vision of the future concerning this issue is that technology will, at some point, be created that could detect such a thing. It may not be the magical, mystical thing that religion portrays it as, but simply a formation of energy unique to each person. If such a thing were proven to exist and could then be monitored for entry, we would have a very clear point for when a fetus could be considered a person. That point may be different for each woman. Imagine the abortion clinic of the future where they use a device to determine such a thing when the woman visits.

That's entering into science fiction a bit, but this is the future after all. Amazing scientific discoveries will keep occurring.



I'll address marriage as well since you listed those. There's an obvious progression to American marriage. It was just last century when interracial marriage was illegal. Today, a black guy can marry a white woman. Today, gays can marry in several states. Eventually it will be all of them. Those on the right always get carried away with this by comparing the allowance of gay marriage to allowing all sorts of things, but that's beside the point.

Marriage should, and probably will eventually, have no legal ramifications. It will eventually be replaced by a contract that's just as easily entered into. That contract will have no implications whatsoever according to those typically assigned to marriage. It will simply put in place legal benefits such and property sharing. This way, marriage is 100% according to people's personal beliefs and religious affiliation. They could also choose to use that contract I mentioned, but they don't have to. This way, you could have what would seem like group marriage or animal marriage. They wouldn't be marriage, of course, but the legal implications would be there. So, if you wanted to quickly and easily enter into a contract with 4 of your buddies so that property is shared or to obtain some specific tax benefit then you could. It would have nothing to do with what we consider marriage to be. Same goes if a person wants to quickly and easily enter into a contract with a pet. People already do this in wills. Such contracts have nothing to do with sex or procreation.



With all that said, those are just my opinions. Over our country's history laws and acceptable behaviors do change. You would be silly to think that they won't continue to change. It's very possible that the America of 2109 will allow some crazy stuff that we currently would not be comfortable with.

[The Professor]

wow!

you really got it figured out, there

one thing, tho---that's one coloring book that aint gonna fit on The punctilious Prof's whirlpool

side by side that it is

orgasm pills

soul detection machines

prenups with fido

or fefe

your advice to the right to support cha

else "one would be silly..."

dang

maybe it's time to put the crayola's away

take up dali's broadest brushes

do dripping clocks

or liquifying soul detectors

maybe warhol---you could do your orgasm pill

at the risk of appearing silly...

cliff

[Hog Trash]

proof is in the pudding

over our country's history people have had to fight for change on many issues. eventually they win, sometimes it just takes awhile. as I said, modern politicians would never speak out against things that used to be illegal even though politicians at that time stood for it proudly.

present issues are no different. do you see Cheney getting on Meet the Press and supporting the notion that it should be illegal for people of different races to marry? No, of course not. 20, 50, 100 years from now the same will be said for many current issues. as the years go by, more young people aren't tied to the senseless beliefs that older conservatives hold on to.

the labels hardly mean anything. you can call someone a liberal but, that holds little water considering the definition of such a label has always been changing. i'm not assigning all of this to the conservatives necessarily, given that at some point in our history progressives (as labeled for at least for that point in time) supported the issues I mentioned as well.

so both sides share some responsibility on this. after all, even Obama said he was against gay marriage, but that won't even be an issue that's discussed eventually because it will be legal everywhere and not something that's even mentioned in political debates.I hafta agree with much of what you say here BJ44....Everybody has problems with the system and would change something if they could.

But sometimes we shouldn't change something just because we can....The fix can be worse than the problem...If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Someday a farmer may want to marry his favorite sheep or a woman will want to wed her beloved pet German Sheperd or an adult will want to get hitched to a nine year old minor,

and they will argue "remember when a black man could not marry a white woman and gay marriage was forbidden?"

We could change the laws to accomodate these people but would it bring harmony to the masses and improve the quality of life or would it create more problems than before?

Yes, I agree that when legitament greivances are brought to light they should be corrected, but somethings open cans of unforeseable worms....Liberals have a big problem with forethought.

[bluejunk44]

Hey don't knock the orgasm pill. The company that does it will make billions.


The marriage thing is such a waste of time for our politicians. Whether or not you allow the marriage, if a farmer wants to hump his sheep he'll probably do it.

I just envision the eventual solution is to completely separate marriage from the government, thus making the debate pointless.

[Hog Trash]

Hey don't knock the orgasm pill. The company that does it will make billions.


The marriage thing is such a waste of time for our politicians. Whether or not you allow the marriage, if a farmer wants to hump his sheep he'll probably do it.

I just envision the eventual solution is to completely separate marriage from the government, thus making the debate pointless.Kind of hard to do when so many government institutions, benefits, programs and taxation are connected to marriage status.

The government does not like to relinquish power over anything once they get their hooks in it, especially liberal politicians.

I don't care who or what anybody gets their jollies off with as long as they don't flaunt it in my face or take it to my childrens school and try to teach them that their sick perversion is normal exceptable behavior.