Hey Wayner: quit ignoring people when they call you out on your bullshit.

[Zebulon0351]

Awesome.. So in response to one of my posts you said:

God has always been a part of our government, standard of living, it is even printed on our money. It is sad how we took out of our schools and public places and now we have an abundance of school shootings and deliquency. Cry about religion all you want, but our children acted in better in school with it than without it.

To which my reply was:
http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?p=105737#post105737

So.. another example of generalizations coming from the right that prove to not be true. How about checking your facts before you start spewing bullshit?

[Independent Harry]

The language wasnt' added to our money until the 40's...

[Zebulon0351]

The language wasnt' added to our money until the 40's...

*chirp.....*chirp......*chirp....

[disrupter]

The pledge of allegiance was perverted into the prayer of allegiance in 1954.

Something went off track during the 40s & 50s.

Religion perverted good, sensible government, yet again.

[Zebulon0351]

and then reagan came along and inserted the "moral agenda" into the political spectrum. What a fucking low-life ass-hole

[ROdger Right]

It was added in the pledge to piss off the commys you stupid mother fuckers which is why I think you get mad too. Quincidence I think not

[bluejunk44]

It's so amusing when those on the right bring up "founding fathers" in a discussion.

It's as if they never bothered to actually read what some of our founding fathers wrote and what practices they engaged in.

They weren't even all christians. And several of those who were had adamant opinions against mixing religion and government.

Not to mention all the stuff they approved of such as oppression against women and non-whites. If you're gonna tout the founding fathers then you have to accept the total package, not just the parts that are presently politically correct.

[disrupter]

Good government is always a work in progress.

Any time ones thinks everything is already taken care of is when you can be certain you are headed towards a living hell.

The constitution is pretty good, apologies to blacks & women. We would be in much better shape if we had adhered to our modern interpretation of it.

We have work to do to even get back to constitutionality.

It would seem that many Americans no longer value its requirement of due process & cruel & unusual punishment. I think those people need to go live in some tyranny for as long as it takes them to figure out that 'liberal democracy' is a fucking heaven compared to that.

Torture is terrorism.
If you inflict it, you can only logically expect to receive it in return.

[ROdger Right]

Yes, and letting all the ignorant fucks vote was supposedly a good idea. this is for bluejunk might i add. White properity owners which would mean those with a higher education rate typically. As one of our founding fathers said something like one ignorant voter destorys the whole system.

Thats where you assume oppresion but it was for protection of everybodys rights. As we have changed these laws which is naturally acceptable we also have let in the uninformed and ignorant with no way to stop this flow.

of course they didn't want to mix govenrment with religion. What a stupid thing to say. I needn't expand as you are a tick in human form.

[bluejunk44]

It's just another example of how they weren't always right. Just because someone is less educated shouldn't mean they can't vote.

After all, where would you draw the line? Let me guess, only those as smart as you and up? How about if they draw the line at intelligence just above yours and higher?

[SeniorChief]

and then reagan came along and inserted the "moral agenda" into the political spectrum. What a fucking low-life ass-hole

Reagan was a low-life ass-hole?

Wow...

[Zebulon0351]

Reagan was a low-life ass-hole?

Wow...

Who in the hell does any politician think he or she is by trying to insert morals into the political arena?

The founding fathers used God as a guide and inspiration, but they left the concept of God open to interpretation. Reagan used God to win votes. He tried to define morality into law. Which is never what any of the founding fathers intended when breaking away from the Catholic Church of England.

Anybody who uses God for their own personal gain is a low-life asshole.

[SeniorChief]

Reagan used God to win votes.

Cite an example of this please where God was used to win votes.

[Zebulon0351]

Cite an example of this please where God was used to win votes.

Look at Reagan's campaign. Thanks.

[SeniorChief]

Look at Reagan's campaign. Thanks.

Great answer.

Thanks.

[Smurf-Herder]

Who in the hell does any politician think he or she is by trying to insert morals into the political arena?

The founding fathers used God as a guide and inspiration, but they left the concept of God open to interpretation. Reagan used God to win votes. He tried to define morality into law. Which is never what any of the founding fathers intended when breaking away from the Catholic Church of England.

Anybody who uses God for their own personal gain is a low-life asshole.


Follow me on this ...

All Law, in essence, is based on some sort of "moral" concept. It's a moral concept, to observe a standard, or right a wrong, with laws. The same concept as someone who considers it immoral to "break the law". It's all just a question of degrees.

[The Professor]

my friends, reagan EXPRESSED what the american people SAID

the mere mention of my sweet SAVIOR evinces such emotional reaction

no, be calm, the FAITH of LOVE can never harm

now, you disagree with it, good, fine

but respect it, it's your neighbors, some in your family, your friends, your kids...

genuine people of belief

for them, it's not faith, it's knowledge

whatever

but who are you to hate so?

ronald reagan REPRESENTED ME

he did not cater to me

or buy my vote

sir

he spoke that which long PREDATED him

it happened to win him 49 states

because it was the REAL america

how could you so angrily and cruelly disprespect that?

cliff

[ROdger Right]

It's just another example of how they weren't always right. Just because someone is less educated shouldn't mean they can't vote.

After all, where would you draw the line? Let me guess, only those as smart as you and up? How about if they draw the line at intelligence just above yours and higher?

As Hitler proved just because a person believes in something does not mean they include trhem selves in it as he proved when he thought up the master race.

Typicall foolishness to think I think about my self first when concerning political ideals.

[Zebulon0351]

Follow me on this ...

All Law, in essence, is based on some sort of "moral" concept. It's a moral concept, to observe a standard, or right a wrong, with laws. The same concept as someone who considers it immoral to "break the law". It's all just a question of degrees.

I can agree with that, but we are talking about the difference between pedophilia and two guys exchanging vows. And the difference between murder and abortions: which are allowed by law with varying degrees in all fifty states. And the difference between dropping drugs in some chick's drink and toking up on a joint after a long day at work.

Murder will never be legal. Neither will domestic abuse. And neither will sexual abuse of a child. These and many other can be agreed to across the board from any logically thinking person.

The moral agenda was created by the Christian Right of this country in order to force the values they hold into the legal cement of our US and state constitutions. The moral agenda is asking the US Government for the first time in our Country's history to exclude people to certain guaranteed rights.

How can you argue for less government in dealing with states rights and economic affairs on one hand but push for more government in dealing with individual rights on the other?

I respect the fact that you believe in Biblical principles, but that respect stops once those principles are forced upon the people.

[doctordog]

Awesome.. So in response to one of my posts you said:



To which my reply was:
http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?p=105737#post105737

So.. another example of generalizations coming from the right that prove to not be true. How about checking your facts before you start spewing bullshit?

Here is another example of left wingers talking about shit that they aren't even old enough to remember. When the ACLU started taking moral values out of our schools they became worse. Many teachers retired early because parents were not held accountable for their kids behavior. Poor old Zeb here is one of those bratty bitches that never learned respect and continues to spew his gang banger bullshit. Grow up son, lots of people will continue to ignore you as long as you act like a stupid ass brat.

[doctordog]

I can agree with that, but we are talking about the difference between pedophilia and two guys exchanging vows. And the difference between murder and abortions: which are allowed by law with varying degrees in all fifty states. And the difference between dropping drugs in some chick's drink and toking up on a joint after a long day at work.

Murder will never be legal. Neither will domestic abuse. And neither will sexual abuse of a child. These and many other can be agreed to across the board from any logically thinking person.

The moral agenda was created by the Christian Right of this country in order to force the values they hold into the legal cement of our US and state constitutions. The moral agenda is asking the US Government for the first time in our Country's history to exclude people to certain guaranteed rights.

How can you argue for less government in dealing with states rights and economic affairs on one hand but push for more government in dealing with individual rights on the other?

I respect the fact that you believe in Biblical principles, but that respect stops once those principles are forced upon the people.

It is a shame they were not forced on you more, you would probably be less of a dick head when here.

[bluejunk44]

biblical morals should have absolutely nothing to do with anything government related, including schools

that thing is full of ridiculous stuff

almost doesn't matter though by now. most religious folk don't follow it anyway.

[doctordog]

biblical morals should have absolutely nothing to do with anything government related, including schools

that thing is full of ridiculous stuff

almost doesn't matter though by now. most religious folk don't follow it anyway.

You are absolutely right, it is much more interesting news hearing or reading about a school shooting since they have taken morals out of the schools.

[bluejunk44]

which has nothing to do with any of that

and besides, if you want to talk about carnage, biblical morals are full of that too

again, religious folks of today ignore almost all of what the bible teaches and simply pick out the few parts they like

[The Professor]

a lot of our schools today teach the koran

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36118

[doctordog]

which has nothing to do with any of that

and besides, if you want to talk about carnage, biblical morals are full of that too

again, religious folks of today ignore almost all of what the bible teaches and simply pick out the few parts they like

Right, that is why you read about christian kids shoooting up schools every other day:lmao2:

NEXT!

[bluejunk44]

the christian god did plenty of killing to last for several hundred thousand years. he hardly needs help from a handful of kids.

besides, i'm not sure what your getting at with the school thing. i hardly doubt that allowing school prayer is going to prevent a mentally unbalanced teen from acting like a fool.

[doctordog]

the christian god did plenty of killing to last for several hundred thousand years. he hardly needs help from a handful of kids.

besides, i'm not sure what your getting at with the school thing. i hardly doubt that allowing school prayer is going to prevent a mentally unbalanced teen from acting like a fool.

School shootings were not a normal occurence until discipline and morals were taken out of school by the ACLU.

[MintJulep]

School shootings were not a normal occurence until discipline and morals were taken out of school by the ACLU.So true.........

[MintJulep]

Your AV cracks me up, wayers.

[Zebulon0351]

Here is another example of left wingers talking about shit that they aren't even old enough to remember. When the ACLU started taking moral values out of our schools they became worse. Many teachers retired early because parents were not held accountable for their kids behavior. Poor old Zeb here is one of those bratty bitches that never learned respect and continues to spew his gang banger bullshit. Grow up son, lots of people will continue to ignore you as long as you act like a stupid ass brat.

Thanks for the advice, but its kinda hard to make ME look bad when you were the one who threw out a bullshit statement in the first place.

[Zebulon0351]

It is a shame they were not forced on you more, you would probably be less of a dick head when here.

Hey, am I going around throwing out childish insults? Are you even capable of sane and civil conversation? Or do you just call people names in order to sway the attention away from you?

[Zebulon0351]

You are absolutely right, it is much more interesting news hearing or reading about a school shooting since they have taken morals out of the schools.

Even though school shooting have decreased significantly over the past 30 years. But ignore that tiny fact, it doesn't mean anything right?

[Zebulon0351]

Right, that is why you read about christian kids shoooting up schools every other day:lmao2:

NEXT!

Not as much as they did before the ACLU stepped in.. so what is your point?

[disrupter]

The bible condemns usury, the lending of money for interest.

How you gonna get a mortgage then?

The bible says you should stone all non-virgin brides to death.

The bible says you should stone all adulterers to death.

The bible tells slaves to obey their Earthly masters.

The bible is a barbarian text, with a barbarian god, from a barbarian time.

Conan the fundamentalist.

[ROdger Right]

Yes disrupter instead of slaves we now have to pay them a dollar a day. Fucking humanity at its best right?

Go thinking you depend on a different system but it is still barbaric.

[Zebulon0351]

The bible condemns usury, the lending of money for interest.

How you gonna get a mortgage then?

The bible says you should stone all non-virgin brides to death.

The bible says you should stone all adulterers to death.

The bible tells slaves to obey their Earthly masters.

The bible is a barbarian text, with a barbarian god, from a barbarian time.

Conan the fundamentalist.

That's a stretch. I have no problem with the Bible, just when someone who tries to force Biblical principles into our Constitution. Don't go as far to crash on another's faith.

[ROdger Right]

Might get ya killed one day, as long as you arent dealing with tolerant christian folk that is.

[bluejunk44]

School shootings were not a normal occurence until discipline and morals were taken out of school by the ACLU.

they're not normal now either

also, in the past a disturbed young person may not have shot classmates, but they still expressed themselves in negative ways. the only way your assertion would be true would be for all young people for the past 200+ years not doing anything violent. obviously that's not true.

some biblical rules are perfectly OK. Jesus has his famous line of turning the other cheek and giving an attacker your tunic also. but then others are very absurd and christians don't follow them anyhow. here's a great example that you can share with the women in your life:

1 Timothy 2:9-15 “in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works. Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.”

yeah 99% of American christian women ignore the hell out of that one

[Zebulon0351]

1 Timothy 2:9-15 “in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works. Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.”



Did you read that LL? Shut the fuck up.

[bluejunk44]

ok to be fair, the church of christs near where i grew up made their females wear simple dresses, simple hair styles, and no jewelry. they also couldn't lead prayer if a male was present.

at least when attending church. so i give them props.

[ROdger Right]

You people really need to learn your place.

[Zebulon0351]

You people really need to learn your place.

Thank you for proving my very point. Who in the hell are you to dictate what my "place" is? What makes your more qualified to set the definitions of morality for others who are just as capable to reach conclusion on their own? Quit thinking your point of view holds a superior platform because you feel yours is inspired by God. My "place" is just as valid as anyone's, and to say anything different just proves how ignorant and one-track minded those who support the moral majority can be.

[SeniorChief]

Thank you for proving my very point. Who in the hell are you to dictate what my "place" is?

Zeb - perhaps he's not referring to you??

Just a thought.

[Zebulon0351]

Zeb - perhaps he's not referring to you??

Just a thought.

Maybe.. and if so then I will take my foot out of my mouth.

[The Professor]

when mr obama went to cairo to reach out to the muslim world which only responds by kicking the sand they so have in abundance into the rushmore face of our naive chief executive, he had to leave behind the always-as-advantageous-as-oprah mrs michelle

why?

because bare arms and sharia law don't mix...

[Hog Trash]

when mr obama went to cairo to reach out to the muslim world which only responds by kicking the sand they so have in abundance into the rushmore face of our naive chief executive, he had to leave behind the always-as-advantageous-as-oprah mrs michelle

why?

because bare arms and sharia law don't mix...Momma Obama in full sharia garb would present an embarrassment too the administration that might warrant explanations from FEARLESS LEADER....We can't have that!

[doctordog]

Your AV cracks me up, wayers.

It is my tribute to evil monkey, plus I think it looks like our leader when his teleprompter is broken.

[doctordog]

Did you read that LL? Shut the fuck up.

Oh no, you never insult anyone. Your insults to LL7 show us all that you grew up motherless, or if you had one, you were ignored with is sad. It does reveal much of you behavior here. We are all sorry you were neglected.:(