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Bill Cosby
06-14-2009, 01:42 PM
Noam Chomsky Addresses Thousands at Riverside Church (http://www.indypendent.org/2009/06/13/noam-chomsky-addresses-thousands-at-riverside-church/)

Renowned leftist intellectual, linguist and author Noam Chomsky discussed democracy, the economy and global crises June 12 at Riverside Church in Harlem.

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More than 2,000 people attended the event, which benefited the social change group the Brecht Forum. The event’s co-sponsors included The Indypendent, Bluestockings Books, WBAI-99.5 FM, Manhattan Neighborhood Network and the Just Seeds Collective.

Chomsky’s hour-long talk, entitled “Crisis and Hope: Theirs and Ours,” addressed a range of social and political topics. He examined U.S. political policies over the past few decades and encouraged the audience to challenge neoliberalism, military intervention and capitalism.

“There is a striking gap between public opinion and public policy on a host of major issues, domestic and foreign, and based on my judgment public opinion is often a lot more sane,” Chomsky said.

The evening began with a separate reception for the Brecht Forum. Alternative, politically-charged music performed by Earthdriver and Mahina Movement filled the sanctuary as the audience entered. Following welcomes by Rev. Robert B. Coleman from Riverside Church and three representatives of the Brecht Forum, Amy Goodman introduced Chomsky.

Goodman, the host and executive producer of the news program Democracy Now!, expressed Chomsky’s commitment to social causes and his impact on public thought.

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“I bet almost everyone here tonight in this sanctuary has a story about discovering Noam’s writings or his voice or his words and how it has changed your life,” Goodman said.

The crowd rose as Chomsky walked to the podium. The 80-year-old MIT professor explained the title of the lecture by contrasting the so-called crises of the first world countries with more pressing humanitarian concerns amongst impoverished peoples.

“Bailing out banks is not utmost in the minds of the people now facing starvation, not forgetting the tens of millions enduring hunger in the richest country in the world,” he said.

Following this observation, he challenged Western intervention in other countries’ affairs. He cited imperialism and U.S.-supported coups, such as the overthrow of a democratically elected regime in Haiti in 1991, as evidence that meddling by the West is often not in the best interest of native peoples.

Chomsky, a longtime opponent of neoliberalism, also criticized capitalist notions of progress. He explained that since the post-war “Golden Age of Capitalism” ended in the 1970s, real wages have stayed the same, work hours have increased, benefits have decreased, and social indicators have dropped. He finds these figures problematic to the general public of the United States.

“There has been economic growth, but it is finding its way into very few pockets, increasingly into the financial industries, which have grown enormously while productive industry has significantly declined,” he said.

As a libertarian socialist, Chomsky believes that workers should control their own industries. This would change the current disparity between the wealth and resources of corporate leaders and the difficult situation of laborers. Instead of simply ameliorating the current economic crisis, Chomsky advocates a reexamination of the capitalistic framework.

After criticizing the current economic system, he turned to the amount of taxes spent on military projects. He pointed out that the United States spends significantly more on military endeavors than any other nation, which he deems an unnecessary waste of taxpayer money. During the Cold War, increased military expenditures were explained by the government as necessary to prevent an attack by large, powerful countries. According to Chomsky, this reasoning should have been eliminated with the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989. However, military spending has increased since then, but with a different explanation by the government. Chomsky expressed that this justification, specifically the exaggerated threat from the Middle East, is unconvincing and that military spending should be reduced.

“In brief, everything will go on exactly as before, but with new pretexts,” he said, satirizing the government’s position. “So we still need the same huge military system, but for a new reason: literally, because of the technological sophistication of third world powers.”

He then discussed the increased role of NATO despite the end of the Cold War and challenged similar efforts of “Western imperial domination.” Chomsky stated that the questionable policy of U.S.-run intervention will not end under the Obama administration, since many members of the current cabinet were adherents to neoliberalism in Clinton’s administration. Chomsky went on to criticize Obama’s efforts to undermine democratic referendums in Iraq, claiming that Obama is worried that Iraqis might reject a measure that would delay U.S. troop withdrawal. Chomsky further criticized the military strategies and huge civilian tolls in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

He urged people to pay more attention to the environment, discussing greenhouse gas emissions and the increased threat of global warming. Similarly, he noted the lack of efficient rail and other public transportation in the United States and suggested that workers from the struggling auto industry be put to work in building environmentally friendly transportation. In general, he advocated more rights for workers and a greater commitment to the environment.

According to Chomsky, policies that do not benefit the public result from the “constrained version of democracy” in the United States. He explained that James Madison and the other Founding Fathers sought to protect the interests of an elite group of people from the opinions of the majority. Such aristocratic principles are built into the U.S. Constitution, which has limited the political power of the general public. Common people gained some power during the 1960s and other activist eras, but Chomsky still sees a “democratic deficit” between what is in the best interest of the people and what is actually done. He encouraged the audience to stand against faulty policies and economic systems.

“That means tearing apart the enormous edifice of illusions about the markets, trade and democracy that have been assiduously constructed over many years, and to overcome the marginalization and atomization of the public,” he said. “Of all the crises that afflict us, I believe this growing democratic deficit may be the most severe.”

The crowd gave a standing ovation as he concluded his final statements. Chomsky joins a list of other prestigious politicians and activists to speak at the historic Riverside Church, including Martin Luther King, Jr., the Dalai Llama and Desmond Tutu.

disrupter
06-14-2009, 01:48 PM
A human being speaking out for other people,

and not just for selfish wanton greed?

Amazing.

I am not quite in agreement with them on all things,
I would argue for our collective selfish interests.

Only inhuman brutal [& lonely] dictators have no collective selfish interests.

Dale escondido
06-14-2009, 02:24 PM
Kinda reminds me of a left version of Paul.
Very intelligent idiot.
Just because we have allowed the government and business to becomes allys against us doesnt mean the constitution is a nuisance.
Only when we break the unholy alliance between governemtn and business will we the people become relevent again.

Bill Cosby
06-14-2009, 02:30 PM
Paul who???

Dale escondido
06-14-2009, 02:39 PM
Paul who???

Sorry, Ron Paul.
Some ideas are very convincing from this guy, but then he goes to lala land just like Ron Paul.

Bill Cosby
06-14-2009, 02:49 PM
Sorry I don't know what lala land is........

Why not just point out what your don't like or like............ W/out the Ron Paul..

Dale escondido
06-14-2009, 03:05 PM
I think people going hungry in a affluent nation is wrong.
I think addressing the wage stagnation is legit but not connectioning it to globaslizing is naive.
I think blaming it on business is partially right , but castrating business is not an answer.
Believing the constitution protects the elite is off the wacko chart.

Mr, gone
06-14-2009, 04:41 PM
Chomsky is one of my favorite authors. Highly recommended readings are: Failed Staes and Imperial Ambitions.

His voice of reason and logic often falls on the deaf ears of most conservatives, who find it difficult to wrap there small minds around his logic and reason. They will often exchange independent thought, with the less painful thought processes of dogma and spoon feed government sponsored propaganda.:disbelief:

radioguy
06-14-2009, 05:54 PM
Chomsky is a far left liberal idiot.

Nuff said.

.

bairdi
06-14-2009, 06:14 PM
Chomsky is a far left liberal idiot.

Nuff said.

.
Did Glenn Beck tell you that? Quit it. You're killing me today. :lmao2: :lmao2:

Dale escondido
06-14-2009, 07:34 PM
Chomsky is one of my favorite authors. Highly recommended readings are: Failed Staes and Imperial Ambitions.

His voice of reason and logic often falls on the deaf ears of most conservatives, who find it difficult to wrap there small minds around his logic and reason. They will often exchange independent thought, with the less painful thought processes of dogma and spoon feed government sponsored propaganda.:disbelief:

Spoon feed GOVERNMENT propaganda:lmao2: you mean like from the public school system?
Or do you mean the mainstream media?

Bill Cosby
06-14-2009, 09:47 PM
Chomsky is one of my favorite authors. Highly recommended readings are: Failed Staes and Imperial Ambitions.

His voice of reason and logic often falls on the deaf ears of most conservatives, who find it difficult to wrap there small minds around his logic and reason. They will often exchange independent thought, with the less painful thought processes of dogma and spoon feed government sponsored propaganda.:disbelief:

Manfactory consent is awesome to... & on youtube free.. OJuqoDvyXOk

Bill Cosby
06-14-2009, 09:49 PM
Chomsky is a far left liberal idiot.

Nuff said.

.

Since you have never read him that is an opinion you are basing on nothing more than your own prejudice......:hi:

disrupter
06-15-2009, 04:00 AM
The right: opinions without reason.

reflexes, not thought.

Dale escondido
06-15-2009, 07:54 AM
Since you have never read him that is an opinion you are basing on nothing more than your own prejudice......:hi:

Hes off the opinion that governments are evil, business is evil and the press supports their agendas and the people are ignorant.
So why do those on the left who follow his thinking look so to large government to end the worlds misery.
Its funny that sometimes we agrue over things that generally we all can agree on.
He seems to admire only the struggling underclass, who eventually if successful become the corrupted leadership.
There is no such thing as a perfect government, so small is always better.
When they get out of line they are less formidable.

Bill Cosby
06-16-2009, 01:05 AM
Hes off the opinion that governments are evil, business is evil and the press supports their agendas and the people are ignorant.
So why do those on the left who follow his thinking look so to large government to end the worlds misery.
Its funny that sometimes we agrue over things that generally we all can agree on.
He seems to admire only the struggling underclass, who eventually if successful become the corrupted leadership.
There is no such thing as a perfect government, so small is always better.
When they get out of line they are less formidable.

Well since you have not read any of his material either I will say the same to you. I don't care what you think & I don't wanna hear your uninformed opinion either...

I would not listen to a movie critic criticize a movie he had not seen nor a book critic review a book he has not read......... Nor will I listen to my friends here comment on a man who's works they haven't bothered to even touch...

Its funny that sometimes we agrue over things that generally we all can agree on.

LOL......... Often times that is true......... I often (not always) strive to form consensus..... Not sure I have seen any of you attempt it....???

He seems to admire only the struggling underclass, who eventually if successful become the corrupted leadership.
There is no such thing as a perfect government, so small is always better.
When they get out of line they are less formidable

Well that is a great observation, although I would not say or agree that is his view.... I do agree that once "they" who ever "they" are get on the top rung they tend to morph..........

What I really admire about him is his unwavering & diligent pursuit of the truth & his incorruptible dedication to it...

Kennedy, Carter, Regan, Bush, Obama.... he pulls no punches........ There is one set of rules for all.......

Dale escondido
06-16-2009, 04:51 AM
Well since you have not read any of his material either I will say the same to you. I don't care what you think & I don't wanna hear your uninformed opinion either...

I would not listen to a movie critic criticize a movie he had not seen nor a book critic review a book he has not read......... Nor will I listen to my friends here comment on a man who's works they haven't bothered to even touch...



LOL......... Often times that is true......... I often (not always) strive to form consensus..... Not sure I have seen any of you attempt it....???



Well that is a great observation, although I would not say or agree that is his view.... I do agree that once "they" who ever "they" are get on the top rung they tend to morph..........

What I really admire about him is his unwavering & diligent pursuit of the truth & his incorruptible dedication to it...

Kennedy, Carter, Regan, Bush, Obama.... he pulls no punches........ There is one set of rules for all.......

I only listened to videos posted as I dont admire lefies, but as usual you asked for specificis and then attacked like a dog.

Bill Cosby
06-16-2009, 06:59 PM
Attacked????

You are a bit sensitive....

I will try to be lighter on you........lol

Watch the video then... It is good.........

Pls watch it & tell me what you think................

Dale escondido
06-17-2009, 04:41 AM
Attacked????

You are a bit sensitive....

I will try to be lighter on you........lol

Watch the video then... It is good.........

Pls watch it & tell me what you think................

I watch an hour of them on utube asshole.

Bill Cosby
06-17-2009, 04:07 PM
Yo watched an hour of the youtube I posted???

SO what did you think???

Yea asshole..............lol

Dale escondido
06-17-2009, 04:20 PM
Yo watched an hour of the youtube I posted???

SO what did you think???

Yea asshole..............lol

DUH ,I watched them before the post.
Maybe you should revisit them without the anti-american attitute.

Bill Cosby
06-17-2009, 04:40 PM
Funny dule but I don't believe yea...........

For the third time... Post what your opinion is or just STFU about it........

Dale escondido
06-17-2009, 07:05 PM
See post 15:lmao2: :lmao2:
You so funny:thumbsup:

Bill Cosby
06-17-2009, 08:59 PM
I tried to be nice to you & engage you in some conversation & discussion & you wanna play..........

Maybe later dale........

If later you decide to lay something out I will read it..

ThnX