Miranda Rights for Terrorists

[MintJulep]

This idiot needs to be impeached. Not only will we be subsisting on a soup-line existence in a third-world country, the Islamofascists will be free to blow up kindergartners like they do in Israel.

Miranda Rights for Terrorists

When 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammad was captured on March 1, 2003, he was not cooperative. “I’ll talk to you guys after I get to New York and see my lawyer,” he said, according to former CIA Director George Tenet.
Of course, KSM did not get a lawyer until months later, after his interrogation was completed, and Tenet says that the information the CIA obtained from him disrupted plots and saved lives. “I believe none of these successes would have happened if we had had to treat KSM like a white-collar criminal – read him his Miranda rights and get him a lawyer who surely would have insisted that his client simply shut up,” Tenet wrote in his memoirs.

If Tenet is right, it’s a good thing KSM was captured before Barack Obama became president. For, the Obama Justice Department has quietly ordered FBI agents to read Miranda rights to high value detainees captured and held at U.S. detention facilities in Afghanistan, according a senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee. “The administration has decided to change the focus to law enforcement. Here’s the problem. You have foreign fighters who are targeting US troops today – foreign fighters who go to another country to kill Americans. We capture them…and they’re reading them their rights – Mirandizing these foreign fighters,” says Representative Mike Rogers, who recently met with military, intelligence and law enforcement officials on a fact-finding trip to Afghanistan.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/miranda_rights_for_terrorists.asp

Flashback: Obama Said Terrorists Shouldn't Get Miranda Rights


A friend writes in:
I just saw Steve Hayes's report (http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/miranda_rights_for_terrorists.asp) that prisoners held in Afghanistan will get Miranda warnings. In September 2008, when McCain-Palin pulled ahead of Obama-Biden, Candidate Obama publicly mocked Sarah Palin's suggestion that Obama favored giving captured terrorists Miranda warnings. It happened in Farmington Hills, Michigan.

A Washington Post blog (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/09/08/obama_to_palin_dont_mock_the_c.html) noted this at the time, but offered only a few quotes. The Obama campaign posted the larger exchange at YouTube. Skip ahead to about 1:55, where Obama picks up this argument.


He brings up a GOP Convention line about Miranda warnings ... but simply responds with a theatrical smirk.

From there, he proceeds to mock the federal government for failing to catch Bin Laden (not that that's on Obama's front burner anymore (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5520116.ece)), and then discusses the need for terrorist detainees to be allowed to file habeas petitions in federal courts. The Miranda issue, however, is simply laughed aside, as if it was preposterous to even raise the subject.

And two months after his Inauguration, President Obama reiterated (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/obama-fires-back-cheney-60-minutes), "Now, do these folks deserve miranda rights? Do they deserve to be treated like a shoplifter down the block? Of course not."

So much for the smirk and sarcasm. I guess the joke's on us.


In fact, it was Sarah Palin who said (http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/conventions/videos/transcripts/20080903_PALIN_SPEECH.html) at the GOP convention: "Al Qaida terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America, and he's worried that someone won't read them their rights."

[doctordog]

Obama is just like Commodus in Gladiator, he is only trying to win his crowd, and we all know how that movie ended.

[MintJulep]

When he said he would be "reaching across the aisle" he should have specified that applied only to Mooslim terrorists. :banghead:

[doctordog]

When he said he would be "reaching across the aisle" he should have specified that applied only to Mooslim terrorists. :banghead:

It applies to everyone but his own, at least we know it will be short lived just like Jimmy Carter.

[foxbaron]

At least we know now there will be few if any high value detainees any more.

There is no law enforcement requirment to mirandize the dead.

[The Professor]

another BRIGHT PURPLE example of a totally TINEARED political PRATFALL

americans resent miranda rights for AMERICAN defendants

NORMAL americans think our justice system has EMASCULATED itself giving defendants all the advantages already

miranda rights for terrorists---that's a campaign slogan that in ANY year that is a multiple of 4---00, 04, 08, 12, 16...---would just KILL any campaign connected to it

we are NOT a CHRISTIAN country

NUKES for IRAN

MIRANDA for the MULLAHS!

LOLOL!

another FINESSE move, there, MISTER president

mister MACHIAVELLI

president peach cheeks don't have a CLUE what the heck he's doing

he's hilarious

LOLOLOL!!!

[bridge buff]

Did Bush make this decision too. Can we be assured that Obama will take credit for the results of his latest brainchild?

[disrupter]

I bet Scott Roeder got HIS Miranda rights read to him.

Why don't we just lynch that terrorist?

Or let women rip him limb from limb for his hatred of women?

[MintJulep]

American citizens are entitled to Miranda rights.

Foreign terrorists are not citizens no matter how much you and Iman Obama want them to be.

[disrupter]

You can be called an 'enemy combatant' with the stroke of a pen, stripping you of your citizenship.

Your head is up your twisted hypocritical ass.

[MintJulep]

You can be called an 'enemy combatant' with the stroke of a pen, stripping you of your citizenship.

Your head is up your twisted hypocritical ass.But, GITMO terrorists are not American citizens.

Never have been.

Never will be. That is, unless Iman Obama decides to grant his brethren citizenship. Considering we have a gubmint czar for everything that affects our lives, that wouldn't surprise me one bit.

[disrupter]

Obviously you don't believe in law & order.

Gitmo was created to end-run the US constitution & international law & order.

YOU are a fascist.

[MintJulep]

GITMO terrorists are not American citizens.

Case closed. Bada bing..........

[disrupter]

We obey law & order [including the US government] for our OWN sake.

It is either who we are or who we are not.

Obviously you are not.

[disrupter]

We bring light & justice with us or we do not have any.

You & your ilk have none.

You are just a pack of thug, dog gangsters.

[bairdi]

Like most of the propaganda that comes from chief propagandist William Kristol, I would suspect that this too is a bunch of bullshit. Nowhere in the LA Times story from May 28 on which this article is based, is there any mention that foreign terrorists will be read Miranda rights. Do a google search on it, and the usual right wing suspects pop up spreading it around the internet. Does truth matter anymore?

[MintJulep]

Terrorists are not entitled to be Mirandized like a common thief because they are not citizens.

Knowing that is the difference between being a terrorist lover and a patriot.

[MintJulep]

Like most of the propaganda that comes from chief propagandist William Kristol, I would suspect that this too is a bunch of bullshit. Nowhere in the LA Times story from May 28 on which this article is based, is there any mention that foreign terrorists will be read Miranda rights. Do a google search on it, and the usual right wing suspects pop up spreading it around the internet. Does truth matter anymore?I know it must be a tough pill to swallow.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/10/lawmaker-says-obama-ordered-fbi-read-rights-detainees/

[disrupter]

No that is the difference between fulfilling only the stingiest letter of the law, or just plain violating it,

Or fulfilling the full spirit of the law.

You are so uninspired, no wonder people like you always lose over the long run, you bring nothing with you.

When Jesus said 'Don't hide your light under a bushel.'?

Don't worry about it, you have none. You are the darkness.

[bairdi]

I know it must be a tough pill to swallow.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/10/lawmaker-says-obama-ordered-fbi-read-rights-detainees/
No, not when this statement is included in the fox news story.

Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd denied there has been a policy change covering detainees.

"There has been no policy change nor blanket instruction for FBI agents to Mirandize detainees overseas," he said in a statement, adding, "While there have been specific cases in which FBI agents have Mirandized suspects overseas, at both Bagram and in other situations, in order to preserve the quality of evidence obtained, there has been no overall policy change with respect to detainees."

[MintJulep]

You are so uninspired, no wonder people like you always lose over the long run, you bring nothing with you..You will lose next, terrorist lover. First in 2010 and next in 2012. That is, if Iman Obama hasn't allowed a rogue country to nuke us by then.

[doctordog]

You will lose next, terrorist lover. First in 2010 and next in 2012. That is, if Iman Obama hasn't allowed a rogue country to nuke us by then.

He is losing now but is too stupid to know it.

[The Professor]

OH!

MY!

the intellectual IMAGERY on this THREAD

WHY!

it's just way too much for The prudish Prof's pristine proprieties

the LYNCHINGS!

my!

the WOMEN dismembering LIMBS!

heavens to BETSY!

those HARPIES!

protect The polite Prof---PLEASE!---from such impudent EXPOSURE

STOP exposing yourself in The peaceful Prof's supremely respectable presence

there's all this contemplation of SUBhumanity

them that ARE

and them NOT

LIGHT and JUSTICE

LOLOL!

and ILK!

"people like you"

well, well...

the IMAGERY

very revealing

ERUDITE!

that's the ONLY word for it---ERUDITE!

LOLOLOL!

cliff

[The Professor]

No, not when this statement is included in the fox news story.

Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd denied there has been a policy change covering detainees.

"There has been no policy change nor blanket instruction for FBI agents to Mirandize detainees overseas," he said in a statement, adding, "While there have been specific cases in which FBI agents have Mirandized suspects overseas, at both Bagram and in other situations, in order to preserve the quality of evidence obtained, there has been no overall policy change with respect to detainees."

ah...

but then there's the POLITICS

irregardless (sic) of the MERITS

leadership, in other words...

why, she's a BITCH!

if the miranda's FIT, then READ em

LOLOL!

[foxbaron]

Obviously you don't believe in law & order.

Gitmo was created to end-run the US constitution & international law & order.

YOU are a fascist.



GITMO was created as an alternative to a POW prison as the prisoners don't meet the standard of a POW under the Geneva Convention. If they did we could just as easily summarilly execute them as spies as they were captured, not in uniform. Perhaps that is what we should have done.

They have received better treatment there than they could have reasonably expected in a normal POW camp in a normal war zone. Problem is the "war zone" is everywhere.

[foxbaron]

Obviously you don't believe in law & order.

Gitmo was created to end-run the US constitution & international law & order.

YOU are a fascist.



GITMO was created as an alternative to a POW prison as the prisoners don't meet the standard of a POW under the Geneva Convention. If they did we could just as easily summarilly execute them as spies as they were captured, not in uniform. Perhaps that is what we should have done.

They have received better treatment there than they could have reasonably expected in a normal POW camp in a normal war zone. Problem is the "war zone" is everywhere.

[Smurf-Herder]

Obviously you don't believe in law & order.

Gitmo was created to end-run the US constitution & international law & order.

YOU are a fascist.

Disrupter, wouldn't the true Fascists be the ones appointing "Czars" to oversee the dirty work? - "non-cabinet" positions ... positions not subject to Congressional checks and balances.

[radioguy]

Like most of the propaganda that comes from chief propagandist William Kristol, I would suspect that this too is a bunch of bullshit. Nowhere in the LA Times story from May 28 on which this article is based, is there any mention that foreign terrorists will be read Miranda rights. Do a google search on it, and the usual right wing suspects pop up spreading it around the internet. Does truth matter anymore?

A United States senator went over there and witnessed it for himself. But if denial works for you bairdi... well...

[radioguy]

Oops... Sorry... It was Congressman Mike Rogers who went over there and witnessed this. He was interviewed about it on the Mark Levin show yesterday.


.

[T-Cat]

Oops... Sorry... It was Congressman Mike Rogers who went over there and witnessed this. He was interviewed about it on the Mark Levin show yesterday.


.Did Congressman Rogers think of asking General Petraeus if he thought the policy was causing confusion? And did that same confusion exist when the policy began under the Bush administration?

[bairdi]

Did Congressman Rogers think of asking General Petraeus if he thought the policy was causing confusion? And did that same confusion exist when the policy began under the Bush administration?
No.
Yes.
............

[disrupter]

Smurfy,
figurehead 'Tsars' are not the literal DICTATORS like Bush, Cheney & the fascist right want to impose on the American people, against the strictures of law & the constitution.

Is that a calculated deception on your part or are you really THAT stupid?

[MintJulep]

Smurfy,
figurehead 'Tsars' are not the literal DICTATORS like Bush, Cheney & the fascist right want to impose on the American people, against the strictures of law & the constitution.

Is that a calculated deception on your part or are you really THAT stupid?Bullshit.

And it's "Czars".

[disrupter]

tsar is preferred by most scholars of Slavic studies as
a more accurate transliteration of the Russian and is often found in scholarly writing with reference to one of the Russian emperors.

Did i hear the sound of a H.I.N.O. ripping another comment?

Smells like it.

[MintJulep]

We're not "Russia" yet, idiot.

[disrupter]

I am old enough that virtually all references to Tsars was from Russian history.

My spelling is legit & i will stick to it, ok, my little failed spell NAZI.

So sad for you, spell NAZI wanna be.

[MintJulep]

In English, the correct spelling is Czar.

Again, a reminder to you and chicken-neck, we're not Russia yet.

[disrupter]

Also, tsar, tzar.

Origin:
1545–55; < Russ tsar',http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tsar

You are an idiot, erroneously claiming authority you don't have.
But with you that is to be expected.

also is a word that means 'including'.

But NAZIs are compulsive excluders, & they are invariably WRONG.

[MintJulep]

But NAZIs are compulsive excluders, & they are invariably WRONG.Sounds like your Teleprompter-in-Chief and his quest to destroy the nation.

[disrupter]

I am just stating facts.

Your choice to associate Obama with facts reveals your thinking.

[MintJulep]

I am just stating facts.

Your choice to associate Obama with facts reveals your thinking.The fact is, chicken-neck is a clueless, fascist piece of shit who will go down as the worst President in the history of the world.

[disrupter]

It is your Freudian slip that was showing, not mine. But that is something for you to consider.

[MintJulep]

I still can't believe this. If Osama bin Laden is captured, he will be Mirandized like a common American thief. Bammy sho enuff watches the backs of his homies! "you have the right to remain silent" puke!

[bairdi]

I still can't believe this. If Osama bin Laden is captured, he will be Mirandized like a common American thief. Bammy sho enuff watches the backs of his homies! "you have the right to remain silent" puke!
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NmQwYjYzNzFmOGY2YmQ0N2ZlZmU1MjAzY2ZjNGYxZmY=

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWRlZTA1ZGM5MGQxMmMyNGI5NGUyZjc1OTE0ZTQ2ZTM=

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NGI4MTZjZWE2ODdiNDkzMzA5NjkwZDA3OWU0NGQ1NTU=

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=YjE5MDE4ZDA2OTIyYzA2NzJiNDkyNGQxNjA2YzNhYWI=

[Smurf-Herder]

Smurfy,
figurehead 'Tsars' are not the literal DICTATORS like Bush, Cheney & the fascist right want to impose on the American people, against the strictures of law & the constitution.

Is that a calculated deception on your part or are you really THAT stupid?


Obama has more of them, whatever you want to call 'em.

[Hog Trash]

Obama's first 100 days has brought about an awareness of the American psyche concerning people's attitude towards him and his decisions.

There are those who are willing to give Obama a chance, reserving their opinions untill after a clear result is obvious, sometimes skeptically following while hoping for the best.

There are those who openly judge Obama's policies at their face value and have pre-concluded that our president is either a total idiot or intentionally trying to destroy America.

And of course there are those who view Obama with star-struck rapture and will blindly trust and believe any policy or decision he may put forth.

This began as an unusually large group to which he now plays too and that he depends on, knowing they will support him regardless of what he says or does.

This is all obvious by his willingness to break his campaign promises and his totally rediculous policies and statements....He is emboldened and shameless of this new found power.

Those of us who have maintained good sense through all of this can only hope the numbers of the last group continue too dwindle.

[Mason66]

Obama's first 100 days has brought about an awareness of the American psyche concerning people's attitude towards him and his decisions.

There are those who are willing to give Obama a chance, reserving their opinions untill after a clear result is obvious, sometimes skeptically following while hoping for the best.

There are those who openly judge Obama's policies at their face value and have pre-concluded that our president is either a total idiot or intentionally trying to destroy America.

And of course there are those who view Obama with star-struck rapture and will blindly trust and believe any policy or decision he may put forth.

This began as an unusually large group to which he now plays too and that he depends on, knowing they will support him regardless of what he says or does.

This is all obvious by his willingness to break his campaign promises and his totally rediculous policies and statements....He is emboldened and shameless of this new found power.

Those of us who have maintained good sense through all of this can only hope the numbers of the last group continue too dwindle.

This is true but if he doesn't actually do anything concrete he can maintain his approval rating. It is funny even Bill Maher is saying he is not doing anything and you can't get more left than him.

[ROdger Right]

Eventually though he will have to use the money he just took off the printers.

[Hog Trash]

Eventually though he will have to use the money he just took off the printers.Yea, I heard he's been wantin a new pimped-out Cady with spinner rims and a boosted base ghetto blaster.

[disrupter]

And your point is . . . , Smurfy?

Is this an objection of his style?
does the idea of bureaucratic dictators bother you?
I guess the overtones could be bothersome, but in terms of substance i see no real point. So do you have one? a point of substantive objection?

[disrupter]

HogTrash, that was the one produced for ME! That one is mine.