Bush Bible Prophecy Emerges God Wants to Erase Mid-East Enemies Before New Age Begin

[Bill Cosby]

Bush's Shocking Biblical Prophecy Emerges: God Wants to "Erase" Mid-East Enemies "Before a New Age Begins" (http://www.alternet.org/politics/140221/bush%27s_shocking_biblical_prophecy_emerges%3A_god _wants_to_%26quot%3Berase%26quot%3B_mid-east_enemies_%26quot%3Bbefore_a_new_age_begins%26q uot%3B/)


Bush explained to French Pres. Chirac that the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Mid-East and must be defeated.

The revelation this month in GQ Magazine that Donald Rumsfeld as Defense Secretary embellished top-secret wartime memos with quotations from the Bible prompts a question. Why did he believe he could influence President Bush by that means?

The answer may lie in an alarming story about George Bush's Christian millenarian beliefs that has yet to come to light.

In 2003 while lobbying leaders to put together the Coalition of the Willing, President Bush spoke to France's President Jacques Chirac. Bush wove a story about how the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated.

In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy:

"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:

"This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins".

The story of the conversation emerged only because the Elyse Palace, baffled by Bush's words, sought advice from Thomas Romer, a professor of theology at the University of Lausanne. Four years later, Romer gave an account in the September 2007 issue of the university's review, Allez savoir. The article apparently went unnoticed, although it was referred to in a French newspaper.

The story has now been confirmed by Chirac himself in a new book, published in France in March, by journalist Jean Claude Maurice. Chirac is said to have been stupefied and disturbed by Bush's invocation of Biblical prophesy to justify the war in Iraq and "wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs".

In the same year he spoke to Chirac, Bush had reportedly said to the Palestinian foreign minister that he was on "a mission from God" in launching the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and was receiving commands from the Lord.

There can be little doubt now that President Bush's reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam's Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.

Many thousands of Americans and Iraqis have died in the campaign to defeat Gog and Magog. That the US President saw himself as the vehicle of God whose duty was to prevent the Apocalypse can only inflame suspicions across the Middle East that the United States is on a crusade against Islam.

There is a curious coda to this story. While a senior at Yale University George W. Bush was a member of the exclusive and secretive Skull & Bones society. His father, George H.W. Bush had also been a "Bonesman", as indeed had his father. Skull & Bones' initiates are assigned or take on nicknames. And what was George Bush Senior's nickname? "Magog".

[disrupter]

Is this a joke?

[disrupter]

Wasn't the Magog one of the characters from the Sci-fi show 'Andromeda' starring Kevin Sorbo?

[Smurf-Herder]

What they didn't realize was ..............

Their acting on their interpretations itself, created the conditions for the basis of their belief to be fulfilled, but with a different twist. They just played their part in culminative unintended consequences (synchronicity).

;)

[disrupter]

Isn't that rich,

they can blame someone else because Jesus hasn't returned yet.

Isn't that like the witch trials, where the only way they were proved not to be a witch was if they drowned after the persecutors held them underwater?

& after they have killed enough people & Jesus still doesn't return do they just say 'oops' 'my bad'?

These religious freaks are just plain nutty.

They are the most extreme danger to civilization & humanity.

[In Andromeda the Magog was a species, i believe, one of the last surviving members was one of Kevin Sorbo's crew.]

[Bill Cosby]

What they didn't realize was ..............

Their acting on their interpretations itself, created the conditions for the basis of their belief to be fulfilled, but with a different twist. They just played their part in culminative unintended consequences (synchronicity).

;)

Well put................ on their interpretations..........

[Bill Cosby]

Is this a joke?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sadly this is indeed what dear leader believed & was more than willing to bring about........

I have believed this is what he thought for years..

IMO reading it… That he had actually used such terms made my stomach turn..

I imagine most of you have no idea what he was talking about… I guess just like the French……. Back in the day there were several authors offering up such ideas, & unfortunately there are still some today……

How scary is it to learn that the most powerful human on the planet not only believed he had a role in the end times……>>> He was a fucking wanton participant w/ a belief & desire to bringing it about…..

It is all there. Gog, Magog & all that…….. These nuts & self proclaimed seers & prophets claim to know what the very book they quote says NO MAN KNOWS..

I guess we (humanity) can consider ourselves fortunate that events did not give this man the opportunity to do what he obviously pondered…….

This serves, perhaps like no other, as a warning, that such inestimable power in the hands of any one man is license for disaster….

[Cat slave]

And thats more disturbing than militant Muslims bringing about Armageddon
to bring their sacred one out of the well????

Hmm....yes, it is more disturbing coming from Bush as I think about it.
Never mind.

[Bill Cosby]

And thats more disturbing than militant Muslims bringing about Armageddon
to bring their sacred one out of the well????

Hmm....yes, it is more disturbing coming from Bush as I think about it.
Never mind.

Yea it is............

It seems he thought he was the chosen one............ A big player in the end times...... On a mission from God................

This is why we should not be electing kings be he Obama or anyone else....
This is just to Mush power in the hands of one man............

NO MAN, EVEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE USA SHOULD NOT HAVE THE POWER TO DESTROY CIVILIZATION & PERHAPS ALL LIFE ON EARTH........

[Binky]

Since he's had a few family members that were skull and bones, there's that mindset of superiority. Here's a site with a list of members over the years. There are about five Bushs listed. The skull and bones secret society have been around at Yale since the 1800's. John Kerry was also a member. They are considered the elite and put into high up jobs.


Membership of Yale's Skull and Bones Society
For months I searched the Web looking for a list of the members of Skull and Bones. At long last, a notebook was given to me which required the use of a ...
www.biblebelievers.org.au/bones.htm

[Bill Cosby]

Not sure how familiar you are w/ the bible but does it trouble you this guy was looking down the road into Armageddon??

[Smurf-Herder]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sadly this is indeed what dear leader believed & was more than willing to bring about........

I have believed this is what he thought for years..

IMO reading it… That he had actually used such terms made my stomach turn..

I imagine most of you have no idea what he was talking about… I guess just like the French……. Back in the day there were several authors offering up such ideas, & unfortunately there are still some today……

How scary is it to learn that the most powerful human on the planet not only believed he had a role in the end times……>>> He was a fucking wanton participant w/ a belief & desire to bringing it about…..

It is all there. Gog, Magog & all that…….. These nuts & self proclaimed seers & prophets claim to know what the very book they quote says NO MAN KNOWS..

I guess we (humanity) can consider ourselves fortunate that events did not give this man the opportunity to do what he obviously pondered…….

This serves, perhaps like no other, as a warning, that such inestimable power in the hands of any one man is license for disaster….

Bill, you keep pushing the generic phrase "No man knows the time". But that's specific to "the day" itself. Otherwise, most of what you refer to is specific as to time, but also in context of knowing the "signs of the time".

In other words, nobody knows exactly when - BUT, be watchful of the signs of the general time period.

BTW, "Gog of Magog" is a reference to the leader of the people who migrated north of the caucuses (Puntin?), based on only two Old Testemant references, in an alliance with Persia (modern Iran) and other countries now Muslim in the Middle East.


(But this also has potential for a double-reference - Ezekiel Chapters: 37-38)

[Bill Cosby]

Yes I agree..........

BUT............... This has been how it was/is since, I guess Pentecost..

The anticipation of the end. The signs of the lat days etc... Those signs have always been applied to the "present days"...

Very, very smart ppl were making these assumptions-wrongly..

Then as now, @ least IMHO ppl came/come to conclusions & then projected those conclusions on events rather than vise versa-..

Mongol invasion, Muslim invasions, plagues etc...

[Smurf-Herder]

Yes I agree..........

BUT............... This has been how it was/is since, I guess Pentecost..

The anticipation of the end. The signs of the lat days etc... Those signs have always been applied to the "present days"...

Very, very smart ppl were making these assumptions-wrongly..

Then as now, @ least IMHO ppl came/come to conclusions & then projected those conclusions on events rather than vise versa-..

Mongol invasion, Muslim invasions, plagues etc...

I look at it in this respect:

It's a question of all categories, that fit the puzzle reaching what appears to be their maximum potential, synched up together .....

1) Israel becoming a nation again, in order to be attacked - Christ said within one generation of this
2) A country to the North becoming a huge influencial military power
3) Iran (Persia) threatening Israel, having the military connections with the above
4) All the surrounding countries as potential enemies of Israel
5) The potential nuclear aspect of the above, reaching a critiical point

6) A time of wars and rumors of wars, like no previous time
7) A time of worldwide earthquakes, like no previous time
8) A time of worldwide diseases, like no previous time
9) A time of worldwide lawlessness, like no previous time
10) A time of worldwide economic collapse, like no previous time
11) The world's nations in chaos - "nation against nation, brother against brother"
12) The muslim Hadith says: "a time when men dress like women and women dress like men"
13) According to Daniel: "a time of knowledge being increased and extensive worldwide travel"

14) A charismatic "Mr. Fixit" bringing the world together
15) The world's armies surrounding Israel (in one form or another)
16) A peace deal for all the above, in some way, that falls apart; specifically in three and a half years. Leading to all-out devastation.

There are still two missing pieces:

17) The figure on the world stage that compliments Obama, in some powerful almost co-equal way
18) The actual realization of a specific peace deal going into effect (setting the hook)

[disrupter]

People looking for Armaggedon usually manage to find one,
if not they are resourceful enough to create their own,

Nuclear weapons just make it so much more convenient.

Could we please get the Manic Depressive Religious nuts out of political offices, especially where they have input on the use of Nukes?

[Bill Cosby]

I look at it in this respect:

It's a question of all categories, that fit the puzzle reaching what appears to be their maximum potential, synched up together .....

1) Israel becoming a nation again, in order to be attacked - Christ said within one generation of this
2) A country to the North becoming a huge influencial military power
3) Iran (Persia) threatening Israel, having the military connections with the above
4) All the surrounding countries as potential enemies of Israel
5) The potential nuclear aspect of the above, reaching a critiical point

6) A time of wars and rumors of wars, like no previous time
7) A time of worldwide earthquakes, like no previous time
8) A time of worldwide diseases, like no previous time
9) A time of worldwide lawlessness, like no previous time
10) A time of worldwide economic collapse, like no previous time
11) The world's nations in chaos - "nation against nation, brother against brother"
12) The muslim Hadith says: "a time when men dress like women and women dress like men"
13) According to Daniel: "a time of knowledge being increased and extensive worldwide travel"

14) A charismatic "Mr. Fixit" bringing the world together
15) The world's armies surrounding Israel (in one form or another)
16) A peace deal for all the above, in some way, that falls apart; specifically in three and a half years. Leading to all-out devastation.

There are still two missing pieces:

17) The figure on the world stage that compliments Obama, in some powerful almost co-equal way
18) The actual realization of a specific peace deal going into effect (setting the hook)

You can believe what you wish. I am not interested in trying to change your mind on the end times…..:thumbsup:

But since you went to the trouble to list this let me go head & point out why I don’t agree w/ some of that thinking….

A biblical generation is 40 years. Israel became a nation in 1949????

North?? Russia is north, so is Turkey & Syria & lots of Europe….. Dunno

Rumors, disease, earthquakes. Always had all that so this seems to me as it has always been…….

Taking all the prophecy or in part as literal, IMO can be projected about anywhere & @ any time……….. What is figurative & what is literal is hardly universally agreed upon & neither is the tribulation…

There is plenty of room for respectful disagreement…….

[Bill Cosby]

People looking for Armaggedon usually manage to find one,
if not they are resourceful enough to create their own,

Nuclear weapons just make it so much more convenient.

Could we please get the Manic Depressive Religious nuts out of political offices, especially where they have input on the use of Nukes?

Fortunately events did not allow our past leader to "fulfill" his destiny as he saw it..

[Binky]

Not sure how familiar you are w/ the bible but does it trouble you this guy was looking down the road into Armageddon??



I find a lot of things going on troubling today. Maybe this New World Order thing is what he meant by his Armageddon. Does that sound feasible?

[Binky]

People looking for Armaggedon usually manage to find one,
if not they are resourceful enough to create their own,

Nuclear weapons just make it so much more convenient.

Could we please get the Manic Depressive Religious nuts out of political offices, especially where they have input on the use of Nukes?


Don't see that happening. They are there to stay, I'm afraid. Nuts come in all sorts of shapes and sizes.....short nuts. Tall nuts. White nuts. Brown nuts. And crazy nuts too. If you aren't careful, you'll end up turning blue. :lmao2:

[disrupter]

And the 'fault' of why the biblical Armaggedon didn't occur is because enough Arabs & Liberals weren't killed.

Could we please use the appropriate term 'Criminally Insane Psychopath'? Thanks.

[disrupter]

I'm the blue nut.

That makes it easy for you to pick me out of a crowd. lol

[Mr, gone]

Wingnuts are an easy target as well.:D

[Bill Cosby]

I find a lot of things going on troubling today. Maybe this New World Order thing is what he meant by his Armageddon. Does that sound feasible?


Yes it is troubling times......... Most, if not all "times" are troubling....

WOrld order.. "NEW" world order~ does that not assume there was an old world order??? LOL

There was no real old world order that I have ever heard of or seen...... Things seem to be going along now just as they always have......

xzP-Sh0qTsQ

[Binky]

I'm the blue nut.

That makes it easy for you to pick me out of a crowd. lol
]



:lmao2: :lmao2:

[Smurf-Herder]

You can believe what you wish. I am not interested in trying to change your mind on the end times…..:thumbsup:

But since you went to the trouble to list this let me go head & point out why I don’t agree w/ some of that thinking….

A biblical generation is 40 years. Israel became a nation in 1949????

North?? Russia is north, so is Turkey & Syria & lots of Europe….. Dunno

Rumors, disease, earthquakes. Always had all that so this seems to me as it has always been…….

Taking all the prophecy or in part as literal, IMO can be projected about anywhere & @ any time……….. What is figurative & what is literal is hardly universally agreed upon & neither is the tribulation…

There is plenty of room for respectful disagreement…….

To be more precise on this one point, Christ said "the generation that sees these things come to pass, will not pass away before his return" ...... to paraphrase it. So the "generation" it refers to, refers to the life-span of the "generation" specifically referenced. Not a generation in the generic Biblical sense.

[Bill Cosby]

To be more precise on this one point, Christ said "the generation that sees these things come to pass, will not pass away before his return" ...... to paraphrase it. So the "generation" it refers to, refers to the life-span of the "generation" specifically referenced. Not a generation in the generic Biblical sense.

So then when do you believe this will all start?? 2012??? When the Mayan calendar ends or one of the 5,200 dates they say Nostradumass predicted??

[Smurf-Herder]

So then when do you believe this will all start?? 2012??? When the Mayan calendar ends or one of the 5,200 dates they say Nostradumass predicted??

Well, 2012 means some kind of cyclical change. I saw a show on the History Channel that also brought in Hopi legends and the I Ching, into making 2012 significant.

It's also significant in that it's a year when all agree that Iran could become nuclear capable (and possibly have ICBM capability with their missile tech), and the last election year that Obama could be elected President.

[Moby]

To be more precise on this one point, Christ said "the generation that sees these things come to pass, will not pass away before his return" ...... to paraphrase it. So the "generation" it refers to, refers to the life-span of the "generation" specifically referenced. Not a generation in the generic Biblical sense.
Are we to believe the words written in a book about Christ and if so, should we pay attention to his teachings or not?

This picking and choosing is what bothers me most about our so called Christian leaders.

[Dale escondido]

Are we to believe the words written in a book about Christ and if so, should we pay attention to his teachings or not?

This picking and choosing is what bothers me most about our so called Christian leaders.

This is true of everyone here also.
Everyone in leadership

Everyone deviates from the path laid out when they don't agree totally or better yet they try to squeeze new meaning from words that mean ONLY what they say.

The bible and the koran make enough generalized predictions some have to come true.
Alot of these scare predictions were made based on astronomical events seen as unusual at the time.

[Bill Cosby]

Well the issue I have are really/essentially two... One many/most of the ppl talking about it know nothing of which they speak... In other words full of shit...

Two I despise ppl~ mostly them, trying to scare ppl about it... These same "devils" are the ones I see thundering about the Apocalypse, which they are happy to bring about & telling them to pray for big oil, or the death of world leaders- including our own...

[Smurf-Herder]

Well the issue I have are really/essentially two... One many/most of the ppl talking about it know nothing of which they speak... In other words full of shit...

Two I despise ppl~ mostly them, trying to scare ppl about it... These same "devils" are the ones I see thundering about the Apocalypse, which they are happy to bring about & telling them to pray for big oil, or the death of world leaders- including our own...

One point though on the Gog and Magog thing. It doesn't fit with going after Iraq. If you read the chapter in Ezekiel, it's referring to specific nations, based on the people who are descendents of people mentioned in Genesis. Basically talking about all the Middle East including Iran, North Africa, up through Russia and Eastern Europe. Pretty much a coalition of moslem and slavic countries, headed up apparently by Russia.

[Bill Cosby]

True & that is my understanding as well but as you know there are lots of other ideas floating around.....

I have not really read it in a long time & don't begin to say I understand it... I have a friend that I am talking to & will be going over it w/ him....

Should be interesting & I am looking forward to it..

[Independent Harry]

One point though on the Gog and Magog thing. It doesn't fit with going after Iraq. If you read the chapter in Ezekiel, it's referring to specific nations, based on the people who are descendents of people mentioned in Genesis. Basically talking about all the Middle East including Iran, North Africa, up through Russia and Eastern Europe. Pretty much a coalition of moslem and slavic countries, headed up apparently by Russia.

Maybe they have a different interpretation than you do SH...

[Bill Cosby]

There are certainly many interps out there...

I wonder & would be very, very interested in reading what Bush thought about the players & what is role was in all of this...

Hopefully he will put it in a book or maybe his wife when he is no longer around...

He was not big on admitting mistakes so I could not see him coming out & saying as he was obviously wrong....

[Smurf-Herder]

Maybe they have a different interpretation than you do SH...

The interpretation is extremely clear in Ezekiel, as to whom it refers. The differences in interpretation involve the timeline. Some say it's a second apocalypse, after Christ has reigned on earth for a thousand years. Others believe the thousand years is not a specific time period, but instead refers to a prolonged time period of the Church age on Earth.