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Life_Long_Dem!
05-26-2009, 12:42 PM
this editorial and letter to the editor caught my eye as being REALLY good.

Article published May 26, 2009
Closing Guantanamo


PRESIDENT Obama sought once more, in his speech last week at the National Archives, to address the problem of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere left behind by his predecessor.

While 240 captives remain at Guantanamo, Cuba, it isn't clear how many are at Bagram Air Force Base in Afghanistan or elsewhere. Their open-ended detention - held without trial for years, threatened even by the Obama Administration with trial by military commissions, and not extended due process of law - is a shame to American standards of justice.

Now there are two problems. The first is what to do with the prisoners if, as Mr. Obama has promised, Guantanamo is closed by January. In his speech, at the place where the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights are enshrined, he stuck to his guns on that, even though a pusillanimous Congress, egged on by former Vice President Dick Cheney, earlier had refused to provide funds to close the prison.

The question of the fate of the remaining prisoners is further subdivided. Some of them should be able to be prosecuted in American courts. If so, which court and where? And where would they be held in the meantime? Despite much fear-mongering by congressional Republicans and Mr. Cheney, that part should not be difficult. The United States has no shortage of maximum-security prisons, and escape from them is virtually impossible.

Although courts can have their backlogs, these prisoners have been held without due process of law and their cases deserve a high priority for trial. The rest - against whom no case can be made because they've been tortured or because the evidence against them is bad and they should never have been detained at Guantanamo in the first place - must be released. It is inconsistent with American principles of justice to lock up people indefinitely without trial. That puts the United States in the same class as Myanmar, North Korea, and Gambia.

Each prisoner has an identifiable nationality. If his home country will take him, send him home, cautioning its government that the United States will follow its treatment and disposition of him. If his home country does not want him, pressure should be put on the nation to accept him anyway and let it find him another home.
There is no reason to accept the notion that the United States is forever responsible for the detainees' well-being. America does not take that position with respect to its own criminals. If a release were handled carefully, Afghan prisoners at Guantanamo could even be repatriated to Afghanistan. The idea that some of them might return to fight against U.S. troops, among other reasons because they hate America for how they were treated at Guantanamo, is an argument against the circumstances under which the prisoners were detained and treated, not a reason to hold them for the rest of their lives.


This is a mess left by the administration of President George W. Bush that must be cleaned up by President Obama. The approach now should be decisive action, as soon as possible.

Article published May 26, 2009
Kaptur OK on 'legal purgatory'


Rep. Marcy Kaptur's vote to release funds meant to close the Guantanamo Bay prison was the correct choice.

Gitmo doesn't house convicted terrorists, it houses suspected terrorists who were put in legal purgatory by the former Bush administration. Closing it would actually save taxpayer money and, more important, it would remove the scab that it has become on our Constitution.

It is appalling to see Democrats join Republicans in the political lunacy that transferring these "suspects" to a high-security federal prison poses a threat to a local community. A prison in Montana has offered to take the prisoners in order to create more jobs. Evidently people in Montana have common sense, and are more concerned about having jobs than they are about some politically misguided and manufactured threat designed to keep Americans scared.

It's time these suspects got their day in military court and their cases heard, as that is what a civilized society would normally do.

As Ben Franklin so intelligently pointed out, "Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither."

Todd Smyth
Maumee

http://www.toledoblade.com/

MintJulep
05-26-2009, 12:47 PM
Do you ever do anything besides sit around crying and bleating about these damn terrorists? Sheeshus. Send them a care package and card already.......

Life_Long_Dem!
05-26-2009, 12:51 PM
Do you ever do anything besides being a whiny heartless right wing nut bitch!

SeniorChief
05-26-2009, 12:52 PM
Toledo Blade???

Is that a gay magazine?

Life_Long_Dem!
05-26-2009, 12:53 PM
that is the hometown newspaper in Toledo Ohio jack ass!

MintJulep
05-26-2009, 12:54 PM
I just don't understand why you devote so much time and energy to worrying about damn terrorists.

Jimmy crack corn and I don't care. They can stay at Gitmo for the next century for all I care.

MintJulep
05-26-2009, 12:55 PM
Toledo Blade???

Is that a gay magazine?That was my first thought.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :D

SeniorChief
05-26-2009, 12:55 PM
that is the hometown newspaper in Toledo Ohio jack ass!

Your hometown has a gay newspaper?
Wow! I only thought they did shit like that in California - but Ohio?
Who woulda thunk it.

Life_Long_Dem!
05-26-2009, 12:56 PM
That was my first thought.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :D
as I said it is the official newspaper of Toledo Ohio, close to where I live and where I am originally from

Life_Long_Dem!
05-26-2009, 12:56 PM
Your hometown has a gay newspaper?
Wow! I only thought they did shit like that in California - but Ohio?
Who woulda thunk it.
hahaha....really original jackhole!

SeniorChief
05-26-2009, 12:58 PM
as I said it is the official newspaper of Toledo Ohio, close to where I live and where I am originally from

The official newspaper of Toledo is gay-based?

Wow!!

I didn't know that.

I think I'll avoid Toledo. Do they have a beltway there in order to drive around it?

Life_Long_Dem!
05-26-2009, 12:58 PM
btw senior why is it that you always have lame gay jokes to tell, OH YEAH your a stupid homophobe idiot!

MintJulep
05-26-2009, 01:02 PM
I didn't realize you were gay LLD. The San Fran Surpreme Court just upheld proposition 8. I know that doesn't affect you but I imagine mwillman is upset...:lmao2:

doctordog
05-26-2009, 01:03 PM
The official newspaper of Toledo is gay-based?

Wow!!

I didn't know that.

I think I'll avoid Toledo. Do they have a beltway there in order to drive around it?

I sure hope so, traffic probably "chokes up" downtown:D

Life_Long_Dem!
05-26-2009, 01:04 PM
I didn't realize you were gay LLD. The San Fran Surpreme Court just upheld proposition 8. I know that doesn't affect you but I imagine mwillman is upset...:lmao2:
I am married to a beautiful woman and not gay but i am not an idiot homophobe like you and senior....In case your to blind to see that is me and my wife pictured in my avator nitwit!

doctordog
05-26-2009, 01:06 PM
I am married to a beautiful woman and not gay but i am not an idiot homophobe like you and senior....In case your to blind to see that is me and my wife pictured in my avator nitwit!

You are an idiot if you think God loves gays

MintJulep
05-26-2009, 01:06 PM
I am married to a beautiful woman and not gay but i am not an idiot homophobe like you and senior....In case your to blind to see that is me and my wife pictured in my avator nitwit!I'm not a homophobe. I got you mixed up with mwillman, our Frisco flamer. Sorry.

Life_Long_Dem!
05-26-2009, 01:18 PM
I'm not a homophobe. I got you mixed up with mwillman, our Frisco flamer. Sorry.
It's cool, I know senior is though for sure, all these lame gay jokes he throws out are just a mask to cover how much he hates gay people...I myself have no issue with gays whats so ever...what they do in the privacy of their homes in their adult lives is none of my business nore should I even care about what they do.

SeniorChief
05-26-2009, 01:20 PM
btw senior why is it that you always have lame gay jokes to tell, OH YEAH your a stupid homophobe idiot!

My, are you angry. Seriously dude - you need to either lighten up or seek help.

bairdi
05-26-2009, 01:34 PM
It's cool, I know senior is though for sure, all these lame gay jokes he throws out are just a mask to cover how much he hates gay people...I myself have no issue with gays whats so ever...what they do in the privacy of their homes in their adult lives is none of my business nore should I even care about what they do.
The gay jokes and homophobia seems to be more of a symptom of repressed homosexuality than an actual hatred of an alternative life style. I just wish this guy would come to terms with it instead of constantly trying to insult people. You have no issue with gays whatsoever and neither do I. People who are not gay do not think much about gay sex. With this guy though, the idea of gay sex seems to be an obsession.

I am originally from Ohio and never once associated the Toledo Blade with homosexuality. I find it extremely perverse that someone would make that type of connection.

SimonDavid
05-26-2009, 01:41 PM
On a related note, if the 'Phobic Fetishists can rise up from their beds of lameness for a moment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfYov5o5_2s

Life_Long_Dem!
05-26-2009, 01:44 PM
Thank you for getting it back on topic to the original post, great video btw but sadly there is still plenty of cheney ilk out there that believe in this despite ALL the growing evidence that says otherwise.

SimonDavid
05-26-2009, 01:48 PM
Thank you for getting it back on topic to the original post, great video btw but sadly there is still plenty of cheney ilk out there that believe in this despite ALL the growing evidence that says otherwise.
Let us be understanding, though. They have so much invested in their security blankets, it is too painful even to come to grips with the reality the blankets are woven with worms.

MintJulep
05-26-2009, 01:49 PM
Thank you for getting it back on topic to the original post, great video btw but sadly there is still plenty of cheney ilk out there that believe in this despite ALL the growing evidence that says otherwise.You can believe in coddling and cooing with terrorists all you want. As an American citizen, that is your right, however, it is my right to hope they are shot on sight going forward. Take no prisoners. No uniform? Here's a bullet for ya...

Life_Long_Dem!
05-26-2009, 01:53 PM
You can believe in coddling and cooing with terrorists all you want. As an American citizen, that is your right, however, it is my right to hope they are shot on sight going forward. Take no prisoners. No uniform? Here's a bullet for ya...
I see you have king torture lover supreme as your avatar, you are truly a brainwashed lady and I feel for you deeply, what will it take to get you to believe that your heros took us down the wrong path? and did you see the interview on cnn with liz cheney where she pretty much admits daddy is doing this press tour of "torture is good, torture is legal and ok" just to avoid prosecution?

Life_Long_Dem!
05-26-2009, 01:56 PM
Last night on CNN, however, Cheney’s daughter Liz revealed that fear of prosecution is indeed a motivating factor in the former vice president’s current media campaign:

L. CHENEY: I don’t think he planned to be doing this, you know, when they left office in January. But I think, as it became clear that President Obama was not only going to be stopping some of these policies, that he was going to be doing things like releasing the — the techniques themselves, so that the terrorists could now train to them, that he was suggesting that perhaps we would even be prosecuting former members of the Bush administration
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/22/cheney-fear-prosecution/

SeniorChief
05-26-2009, 01:56 PM
Lots of terrorist loving men-loving-men in this thread Lady.

SeniorChief
05-26-2009, 01:57 PM
I see you have king torture lover supreme as your avatar, you are truly a brainwashed lady and I feel for you deeply, what will it take to get you to believe that your heros took us down the wrong path? and did you see the interview on cnn with liz cheney where she pretty much admits daddy is doing this press tour of "torture is good, torture is legal and ok" just to avoid prosecution?

Still blaming Bush for everything pathetic in your miserable life?

Grow up son.

Grow up.

Act like a man, for once.

Life_Long_Dem!
05-26-2009, 01:58 PM
you ever give your repressed homosexuality jokes a rest lame-o? by the way in case you missed the previous posts, that is me and my beautiful wife in my avator picture...NOT gay...sorry, try again

SeniorChief
05-26-2009, 02:08 PM
you ever give your repressed homosexuality jokes a rest lame-o? by the way in case you missed the previous posts, that is me and my beautiful wife in my avator picture...NOT gay...sorry, try again

You seen to be really hung up on alerting all of us that your're NOT gay.

Hmmmmmm.......

Me thinks something's up with that....

Life_Long_Dem!
05-26-2009, 02:10 PM
You seen to be really hung up on alerting all of us that your're NOT gay.

Hmmmmmm.......

Me thinks something's up with that....
I am not falling for your usless bs senior chef(oops I mean cheif...sorry ;-P) shall I get my wife to atest to how not gay I am...I would gladly do so

SeniorChief
05-26-2009, 02:12 PM
I am not falling for your usless bs senior chef(oops I mean cheif...sorry ;-P) shall I get my wife to atest to how not gay I am...I would gladly do so

You going to hand the keyboard over to her so she can tell me off? :lmao2:

bairdi
05-26-2009, 02:13 PM
You seen to be really hung up on alerting all of us that your're NOT gay.

Hmmmmmm.......

Me thinks something's up with that....
What don't you just give it a fucking rest and quit trying to bait him? It's getting really old very quickly.

SeniorChief
05-26-2009, 02:14 PM
What don't you just give it a fucking rest and quit trying to bait him? It's getting really old very quickly.

It's called having some fun, trying to get a laugh out of the guy (hence my last keyboard comment).
Why don't you quit being so damned sensitive.
Lighten up. You'll live longer.

SimonDavid
05-26-2009, 03:25 PM
I certainly hope the "Prof" is reading this high-toned thread, what with its careful analysis of policy and politics, not individuals.