Liberals SEETHING at California Democracy

[opinionator]

Man, they HATE voters. Why? Because voters hate them.
NONE of their issues ever wins anything. Not gay marriage, not gun control, not taxing us into oblivion.

The NY Times to California Democracy: Drop Dead
By Clay Waters (Bio | Archive)
May 21, 2009 - 12:36 ET

The New York Times is still having difficulty dealing with democracy in California -- namely the state's unique ballot initiatives, which sometimes produces results inconvenient to a liberal agenda.

First it was last year's surprise passage of Proposition 8, a ban on gay marriage that threw the Times for a loop.

This week it was the rejection of five fiscal measures in a special statewide referendum on Tuesday, notably Proposition 1A, pushed by supporters and the Times as a necessary measure of fiscal solvency that would have raised or extended a variety of taxes in return for a vague spending cap.

Thursday's front-page story by Jennifer Steinhauer, "In California, Democracy Doesn't Pay the Bills," came on the heels of her equally insulting Wednesday piece, "Calif. Voters Reject Measures to Keep State Solvent."

Even a photo caption showing a glum, bored poll worker echoed the theme that it was California voters who had irresponsibly doomed their state to bankruptcy, not the lawmakers who had made the mess in the first place:

Larry Vida, a poll worker, waited for voters on Tuesday, when Californians rejected measures intended to keep the state solvent.

Steinhauer aimed her first sneer at California's "direct democracy":

Direct democracy has once again upended California -- enough so that the state may finally consider another way by overhauling its Constitution for the first time in 130 years.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger returned home from a White House visit on Wednesday to find the state dangerously broke, his constituents defiant after a special election on Tuesday and calls for a constitutional convention -- six months ago little more than a wonkish whisper -- a cacophony.

As the notion of California as ungovernable grows stronger than ever, Mr. Schwarzenegger, a Republican, has expressed support for a convention to address such things as the state's arcane budget requirements and its process for proliferate ballot initiatives, both of which necessitated Tuesday's statewide vote on budget matters approved months ago by state lawmakers.

Steinhauer characterized the one ballot measure that passed -- halting pay hikes for lawmakers -- as a temper tantrum that voters would soon come to regret:

The only ballot measure to succeed was one that prevented lawmakers and constitutional officers from getting raises in times of fiscal distress, a sort of chin-out electoral scowl by voters, who will now probably see their health care systems, schools and other services erode. On Friday, the state controller, John Chiang, and the treasurer, Bill Lockyer, are expected to appear before lawmakers and warn them that the state is nearly unable to pay its bills.

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There was no 'ballot initiative' to reduce always-free benefits for illegal aliens, who don't pay taxes at all.

This drains billions and billions each year. Shhh...

I wonder how that would have gone?


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[SeedyROM]

Screw the Treason Times........I hope they fail!!!! Yes I do!!! We don't need treasonist biased liberals attempting to undermine this country for their far left liberal facist ideals!!!

[Binky]

Liberals are the majority of the reason why this country is in the mess it is today. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out! :banghead:

[SimonDavid]

Liberals are the majority of the reason why this country is in the mess it is today. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out! :banghead:
Do you believe conservatives have had no contribution to the political dialogue? They have in fact dominated the dialogue since 1980, at least.

[MintJulep]

Do you believe conservatives have had no contribution to the political dialogue? They have in fact dominated the dialogue since 1980, at least.Not in the media. The media have been 100% committed to the left throughout our lifetimes.

[SimonDavid]

Not in the media. The media have been 100% committed to the left throughout our lifetimes.
Well, except for that whole ten year period between 1998 and 2008, when they became lap dogs for the Right in obsessing about consensual sex between adults and then selling the lies promoting the Iraq invasion.

[radioguy]

Well, except for that whole ten year period between 1998 and 2008, when they became lap dogs for the Right in obsessing about consensual sex between adults and then selling the lies promoting the Iraq invasion.

All these years later, and you people still think the whole Clinton/Monica thing was about sex. It amazes me how the liberal mindset embraces lies, and won't let go of them no matter what. lololololololololol

[SimonDavid]

All these years later, and you people still think the whole Clinton/Monica thing was about sex. It amazes me how the liberal mindset embraces lies, and won't let go of them no matter what. lololololololololol
Oh my...."lololololololololol"...really enjoyed yourself with that one.
Meanwhile no denial that the media was complicit with these Rightwing obsessions, so that, at least, is refreshing.
No the "Clinton/Monica" thing was not entirely about sex. It was about the Right wing, full of as much, if not more, blind anger and bitterness at being turned out on their pompous posteriors then as they are now, spending millions of dollars to undo the 1992 and 1194 elections (why is an open question, since it would have delivered Al Gore into the presidency instead of either Bush the First or Dole...but far be it from me to even attempt to unravel the Mobius strip of Right wing logic) by finding something, anything which would manufacture a scandal. Whitewater came up empty, bimbo eruption after bimbo eruption fizzled, the "w"s were not really removed from the Whitehouse typewriters...what to do? Oh! Look! Clinton had an affair with his intern (who came to Washington with, as she put it, her "presidential kneepads") and tried to avoid having his wife, indeed the entire world, find out about it! They impeached him, which did nothing but cause him to leave office at the usual schedule with even higher popularity ratings, making the fortune spent and the ink and breath wasted another example of Right wing Keystone Kops at their finest.
So, you are right, sex was secondary.

[MintJulep]

Well, except for that whole ten year period between 1998 and 2008, when they became lap dogs for the Right in obsessing about consensual sex between adults and then selling the lies promoting the Iraq invasion.Yeah, riiiiiigghht. I'm sure Dan Rather concurs.

LOLOLOLOL :D

[radioguy]

Oh my...."lololololololololol"...really enjoyed yourself with that one.
Meanwhile no denial that the media was complicit with these Rightwing obsessions, so that, at least, is refreshing.
No the "Clinton/Monica" thing was not entirely about sex. It was about the Right wing, full of as much, if not more, blind anger and bitterness at being turned out on their pompous posteriors then as they are now, spending millions of dollars to undo the 1992 and 1194 elections (why is an open question, since it would have delivered Al Gore into the presidency instead of either Bush the First or Dole...but far be it from me to even attempt to unravel the Mobius strip of Right wing logic) by finding something, anything which would manufacture a scandal. Whitewater came up empty, bimbo eruption after bimbo eruption fizzled, the "w"s were not really removed from the Whitehouse typewriters...what to do? Oh! Look! Clinton had an affair with his intern (who came to Washington with, as she put it, her "presidential kneepads") and tried to avoid having his wife, indeed the entire world, find out about it! They impeached him, which did nothing but cause him to leave office at the usual schedule with even higher popularity ratings, making the fortune spent and the ink and breath wasted another example of Right wing Keystone Kops at their finest.
So, you are right, sex was secondary.

Thank you for making my point.

Nowhere in that entire screed, did you ever mention the actual reason why the Clinton/Monica affair became such a scandal. You have just proved that you embrace lies... Either by choice, or by sheer ignorance.

Liberals like you are priceless...

[The Professor]

the impeachment of bill clinton was about the number one law enforcement officer in the nation LYING ON THE WITNESS STAND when he was ACCUSED by one of his EQUALS, a united states CITIZEN, ms paula jones, of SEXUAL HARRASSMENT because of what she SAYS he DID in that little rock HOTEL ROOM

either way, she should surely be entitled to her RIGHTS

as an AMERICAN

her DAY in court

like ms ANITA

instead, the clintonS used the entire POWER of the WHITE HOUSE to destroy the REPUTATIONS of womEn, not just ms jones

ms juanita broderick

ms willey

ms corbin

ms ward...

the impeachment was NOT about sex, true

it was about bill clinton NOT being ABOVE the law

the TROOPERS themselves all said, it was common knowledge, they routinely procured VICTIMS for that insatiable serial OFFENDER

there's something wrong with mr clinton

personally

pretty gross, that bubba C

his treatment of WOMEN---no defense for it

no real getting around it

it says too much about his CHARACTER

everyone forgets

that's cool

for The Prof ever to LOOK BACKWARD, ie, into the PAST, ie, for our resident clairvoyant, ANALYST of TODAY and TOMORROW, to TAKE HIS EYE OFF the only thing that MATTERS and look BACK...

well, it'd have to be PRETTY IMPORTANT

setting the record straight on bubba's impeachment is big enough to WARRANT, historically



http://www.capitolhillblue.com/Feb1999/020399/clintonrape020399.htm

Juanita Broaddrick, an Arkansas woman who worked on Bill Clinton's campaign when he was attorney general, told NBC's Lisa Meyers two weeks ago she was raped by Clinton. NBC, under intense pressure by the White House, shelved the interview. The White House also threatened Fox News Tuesday after it reported the story.




The Truth:

1. nbc sat on the broaddrick story

2. the senate acquitted clinton on feb 12, 1999

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

3. nbc ran the RAPE allegation on feb 24, 1999

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/broaddrick022599.htm

4. The Prof watched it go down, The Prof always KNEW things would have been totally different had nbc aired the story it had when it had it

5. not to say bubba woulda gone down, maybe yes, maybe no

6. but very, very different

[Mason66]

For me it showed Clinton had no respect for the office of President nor the white house.

With this current president it is seeming more and more like the Eddie Murphy movie where he was mistakenly elected to office and he saw it as the ultimate scam.

Obama wants control of money and that is it.

He has no plan for Health care but he has money set aside for it and he wanted money for Gitmo with noplan. Luckily the senate stopped him.

Yes the ultimate scam. The Presidency.

[radioguy]

The Truth:

1. nbc sat on the broaddrick story

How about what Dan Rather of CBS news said, when O'Reilly asked him why CBS News didn't even mentioned the Broaddrick issue:

"I don't remember all the details of Juanita Broaddrick, but I will say that - and you can castigate me if you like - when the charge has something to do with somebody's private sex life, I would prefer not to run any of it."

The lady accused him of rape, and Rather considers that about Clinton's private sex life?

That's the liberal mindset in a nut shell. :lmao2:

[The Professor]

Obama wants control of money and that is it.

oh, yes, BINGO!

he is absolutely FLAT broke

all those lovely REVISIONIST, new-age, pretty-world DREAMS

crashed, smashed and dashed on the sharp shoals of INSOLVENCY

doggone it

the WORST possible time to WIN

it's ALMOST unfair

LOLOL!!!

yes, yes, yes!

it is not so much, perhaps, that he WANTS money as it is that he NEEDS it

but either way

what it means is---

gitmo---he don't really care

the wrong-istan---aint no cash there but poppies

the pelosi, the memos, the kindergartners...

not a peso, nor a farthing

(well, maybe the kids---LOL!)

bigears is bankrupt, bent over broke

and now he's got CA on his impoverished palms

it's sad, so sad, it's a sad, sad situation

cept it's getting more and more absurd

cuz he has not ALTERED his chicago-born agenda, his ABBIE HOFFMAN recipe book, to SUIT the CHANGED times

y'know, to DEAL with REALITY

he's still governing like this is 1975

and america is forever fat and flush

able to afford all these inanities

like extending medical care to 12 million illegals, gratis

while claiming to be able to save 2 trillion dollars

by taxing soda, i suppose

and putting med records online

to spare us all that scratchy surgeon-like handwriting

which apparently the pharmecologist simply can't decipher

did you know that studies have shown that TWO TRILLION DOLLARS per year are SQUANDERED cuz the guy in the glass booth up there can't read doctor ong's handwriting?!

LOLOLOL!!!

NO ONE can!

that affable little specialist writes like it's the middle of tokyo during a 6.5

or something

LOL!

an INSULT to the arithmetically-able is bigears' "plan"

all cooked up in a land far away to be done unto us in a time much removed

from HERE and NOW

just as bigears does not know the difference between LEADERSHIP and cheap, ordinary politics

so he also fails to see that the EXIGENCIES of our ECONOMY make mandatory ADJUSTMENTS to his AGENDA

in other words, he just doesn't get it

cliff

[The Professor]

How about what Dan Rather of CBS news said, when O'Reilly asked him why CBS News didn't even mentioned the Broaddrick issue:

"I don't remember all the details of Juanita Broaddrick, but I will say that - and you can castigate me if you like - when the charge has something to do with somebody's private sex life, I would prefer not to run any of it."

The lady accused him of rape, and Rather considers that about Clinton's private sex life?

That's the liberal mindset in a nut shell. :lmao2:

ab-so-lute-ly

he was IMPEACHED, for crying out loud

over SEXUAL HARRASSMENT and LYING ON THE WITNESS STAND

suborning perjury

extremely credible sources and story---almost all concede there's a lot of truth in it, clinton USING HIS OFFICE to SCORE CHICKS

and then, at the highest timing of the issue, HE'S ACCUSED OF RAPE

by a ms broaddrick, by the way, who's one HELL of a WITNESS

EXTREMELY credible

that's not to say it's true, i wouldn't know, i wasn't there

but NO WAY that's NOT a STORY

let alone a BLOCKBUSTER

one of the BIGGEST political happenings in our HISTORY, fairly

a prez impeached for HARRASSMENT now ACCUSED of RAPE

and the media bury it

one of the most egregious examples of bias in my lifetime

another---

florida, 2000

the networks CALLED THE STATE FOR GORE (when it turned out to be essentially tied)

BEFORE THE PANHANDLE CLOSED

another of the greatest media interventions of our times

thanks, friend

keep up the outstanding work, you know i will continue to do the best i can, as well

for AMERICA!!!

the RED, WHITE and BLUE!!!

our SOLDIERS, SAILORS, SERVERS, CIA AGENTS, who SACRIFICE and SERVE to keep us all ALIVE!

etc

cliff

[Mason66]

ab-so-lute-ly

he was IMPEACHED, for crying out loud

over SEXUAL HARRASSMENT and LYING ON THE WITNESS STAND

suborning perjury

extremely credible sources and story---almost all concede there's a lot of truth in it, clinton USING HIS OFFICE to SCORE CHICKS

and then, at the highest timing of the issue, HE'S ACCUSED OF RAPE

by a ms broaddrick, by the way, who's one HELL of a WITNESS

EXTREMELY credible

that's not to say it's true, i wouldn't know, i wasn't there

but NO WAY that's NOT a STORY

let alone a BLOCKBUSTER

one of the BIGGEST political happenings in our HISTORY, fairly

a prez impeached for HARRASSMENT now ACCUSED of RAPE

and the media bury it

one of the most egregious examples of bias in my lifetime

another---

florida, 2000

the networks CALLED THE STATE FOR GORE (when it turned out to be essentially tied)

BEFORE THE PANHANDLE CLOSED

another of the greatest media interventions of our times

thanks, friend

keep up the outstanding work, you know i will continue to do the best i can, as well

for AMERICA!!!

the RED, WHITE and BLUE!!!

our SOLDIERS, SAILORS, SERVERS, CIA AGENTS, who SACRIFICE and SERVE to keep us all ALIVE!

etc

cliff

Why do youkeep saying Clinton was impeached.

He wasn't

[The Professor]

yes, he was, friend

he was impeached and acquitted

cliff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

[Mason66]

yes, he was, friend

but he was acquitted

cliff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

Saying he was impeached is saying he was convicted.

They tried to impeach him but it didn't work.

[The Professor]

Impeachment is the first of two stages in a specific process for a legislative body to consider whether or not to forcibly remove a government official from office. The impeachment itself brings the charges against the government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment

you'll recall andrew johnson, abe's vp, was impeached and acquitted as well

kept his job

no big deal, my friend

yes, bill bubba was only our 2nd chief exec ever to be impeached

milhouse was about to be charged with 3, i think, counts of impeachment

but he resigned just beforehand, y'know, to prevent the inevitable

thanks, cliff

[Binky]

Do you believe conservatives have had no contribution to the political dialogue? They have in fact dominated the dialogue since 1980, at least.


Of course not. They've all contributed. I said they were the majority of the reason, not the entire bunch of smucks that got us where we are now.

[Binky]

Thank you for making my point.

Nowhere in that entire screed, did you ever mention the actual reason why the Clinton/Monica affair became such a scandal. You have just proved that you embrace lies... Either by choice, or by sheer ignorance.

Liberals like you are priceless...



It became such a big scandal because the media made it that way for high ratings and to sell newspapers. If it weren't for those reasons it would've been no big deal.

[radioguy]

It became such a big scandal because the media made it that way for high ratings and to sell newspapers. If it weren't for those reasons it would've been no big deal.

I disagree.

I think a president cheating on his wife with an intern in the oval office is kind of a big deal... I think a sitting president being sued for sexual harassment is a pretty big deal... But what made this story a very big deal, was the fact a sitting president lied under oath to the grand jury.

When you put all these things together, along with the fact he looked the American people in the eye on national tv, and with anger in his voice said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman... Miss Lewinsky", what you have is a huge story, no matter how you slice it.

.

[opinionator]

How about what Dan Rather of CBS news said, when O'Reilly asked him why CBS News didn't even mentioned the Broaddrick issue:

"I don't remember all the details of Juanita Broaddrick, but I will say that - and you can castigate me if you like - when the charge has something to do with somebody's private sex life, I would prefer not to run any of it."

The lady accused him of rape, and Rather considers that about Clinton's private sex life?

That's the liberal mindset in a nut shell. :lmao2:



Yeah, this was a telling comment if ever there was one.

Clinton is a serial rapist, accused by women above and beyond reproach.






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[doctordog]

Well, except for that whole ten year period between 1998 and 2008, when they became lap dogs for the Right in obsessing about consensual sex between adults and then selling the lies promoting the Iraq invasion.

Typical Canadian drivel, what part of Canada are you from?

[SimonDavid]

Thank you for making my point.

Nowhere in that entire screed, did you ever mention the actual reason why the Clinton/Monica affair became such a scandal. You have just proved that you embrace lies... Either by choice, or by sheer ignorance.

Liberals like you are priceless...
Oh, but I did. Read it again.

[SimonDavid]

Typical Canadian drivel, what part of Canada are you from?
None of it, thanks for asking.

[SeedyROM]

It became such a big scandal because the media made it that way for high ratings and to sell newspapers. If it weren't for those reasons it would've been no big deal.

If Bubba had admitted to adultry then the whole issue would have only been a personal one and an embarrasment for Clinton and the party but he made it into a a case of Perjury which he could have been prosecuted for. If you and I can be jailed for Perjury then a President must be held to the same standard.

This is a case of a liberal liar who tried to spin facts, invent new definitions for words and avoid a perjury charge. Clinton violated a sworn oath so it became a big scandal because he got caught lying and he could have ended it. I lost respect for Clinton when I learned he wouldn't go after Bin Laden in 1994 and then after.....the perjury turned me against him and the party of liars and deceivers.

[SeedyROM]

Well, except for that whole ten year period between 1998 and 2008, when they became lap dogs for the Right in obsessing about consensual sex between adults and then selling the lies promoting the Iraq invasion.

It was about the law and lying under oath but I wouldn't expct you to give a damn about the laws of this country because you are against the Constitution and for liars under oath!!!!!!

The left also sold the alleged lies you speak of that pushed for war with Iraq!!! You clearly refuse to admit the truth because you can't handle the truth!!! Clinton, Clinton and Gore all said Iraq had WMD's as did dozens of other well known democrats!!!! The media who also touted the facts. You people put your fucking foots in your mouths constantly, it's so amusing to read the lack of truthfulness in your silly diatribes.

[SimonDavid]

It was about the law and lying under oath but I wouldn't expct you to give a damn about the laws of this country because you are against the Constitution and for liars under oath!!!!!!

The left also sold the alleged lies you speak of that pushed for war with Iraq!!! You clearly refuse to admit the truth because you can't handle the truth!!! Clinton, Clinton and Gore all said Iraq had WMD's as did dozens of other well known democrats!!!! The media who also touted the facts. You people put your fucking foots in your mouths constantly, it's so amusing to read the lack of truthfulness in your silly diatribes.
"Diatribes"? If I write "diatribes" I do so with a single "!", if that. But multiple "!!!!!" are what I expect from over-emotional, hormone soaked teenagers, not serious debaters. But to each his own method of expression, who I am to criticize?
Clinton had an affair with a consenting adult (that alone was enough for some, apparently; it is a good thing Gingrich was not president at the time, or such heads would have exploded), who reportedly went to Washington for just such an encounter, and chose to not tell the truth about it at a deposition. This bit of deviltry was finally found after millions of dollars spent to find something, anything with which to smear the Democrat who had the temerity to derail, even temporarily, the Reagan Era. If this is how you want your tax money used, that is your prerogative. I prefer it be used in more productive ways.
As for Iraq, of all the people you mentioned only two, Bush and Cheney, saw fit to sink nearly a trillion dollars and lose four thousand American, and at least tens of thousands of Iraqi lives, in an invasion and occupation. Ah, you might say, but this took courage none other had...except that Bush and Cheney knew there were doubts as to the veracity of Saddam's supposed weaponry, claimed otherwise and insisted on continuing their crusade in spite of such doubts. That is not courage, that is incompetence, foolhardiness and arrogance.
None of the people mentioned, in spite of their mistaken views on the weapons, displayed any of those qualities.

[SeedyROM]

"Diatribes"? If I write "diatribes" I do so with a single "!", if that. But multiple "!!!!!" are what I expect from over-emotional, hormone soaked teenagers, not serious debaters. But to each his own method of expression, who I am to criticize?
Clinton had an affair with a consenting adult (that alone was enough for some, apparently; it is a good thing Gingrich was not president at the time, or such heads would have exploded), who reportedly went to Washington for just such an encounter, and chose to not tell the truth about it at a deposition. This bit of deviltry was finally found after millions of dollars spent to find something, anything with which to smear the Democrat who had the temerity to derail, even temporarily, the Reagan Era. If this is how you want your tax money used, that is your prerogative. I prefer it be used in more productive ways.
As for Iraq, of all the people you mentioned only two, Bush and Cheney, saw fit to sink nearly a trillion dollars and lose four thousand American, and at least tens of thousands of Iraqi lives, in an invasion and occupation. Ah, you might say, but this took courage none other had...except that Bush and Cheney knew there were doubts as to the veracity of Saddam's supposed weaponry, claimed otherwise and insisted on continuing their crusade in spite of such doubts. That is not courage, that is incompetence, foolhardiness and arrogance.
None of the people mentioned, in spite of their mistaken views on the weapons, displayed any of those qualities.

Typical free speech hater, you have no clue about the facts of the matter let alone your whiney liberal nonsense about exclamation points even relevant to the discussion. You can't seem to concentrate, stay on subject nor control your liberal hatred of free speech. You waste time on small issues because you lack the benefit of intellect and the ability to focus on what is important!!!!! You are not a serious debater, you never have been. Hell you can't even back up your words with anything but opinion and brainwashed liberal rhetoric!!!!!

Tax money, what a pathetic excuse, Clinton committed perjury on the record. Perjury is a crime not a liberal diatribe to make excuses from crimes and your weakness towards partisan appeasement of criminal acts!!!!!!!!!! All political crimes must be dealt with or we lose power to continued corruption kind of like the corruption the Obama and Piglosi are engaging in currently.

Iraq was a bipartisan vote for war and for continued funding. You bought the political fakeness hook line and sinker!! Don't forget the threats made by Saddam or are you gonna make excuses for his threats too???? You can't seem to distinqish between real facts and political campaign rhetoric as well like many democrats you can't seem to comprehend that the far left has lied thier asses off throughout the Iraq war. Little has been done for a reason, its because the far left has fabricated so much the the rule of law can't make a case because there's not enough to build upon. Unless you want another Warren Commission?????