Biden: "Closing GITMO like opening Pandora's Box"

[MintJulep]

“Out of the loop” Joe Biden says decision to shut Guantanamo was “like opening Pandora’s Box” (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/05/22/out_of_the_loop_joe_biden_says_decision_to_shut_gu antanamo_was_like_opening_pandoras_box_)

Posted By: Toby Harnden (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden) at May 22, 2009 at 17:25:51 [General (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/cat/general)]

Thank goodness for Vice President Joe Biden. In one of the few amusing parts (http://www.bollywood91.com/wanda-sykes-rush-limbaugh-was-the-20th-hijacker-5968-091.html) of the Wanda Sykes comedy routine at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, she said: "God forbid that Joe Biden falls into the hands of terrorists....We're done. Oh, they won't even have to torture him. All they have to do is go, 'How's it going, Joe?'"

Indeed. It seems that all a reporter has to do to find out about the pickle Barack Obama's is really in over his promise to close the Guantanamo Bay prison is to ask the veep, who was talking to the press at Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo on the final day of his trip to the Balkans.

So will Obama fulfill his vow - announced amid great fanfare in an executive order on day two of his presidency - to close the facility by January 2010? "I think so," Biden responded, according to Newsweek's Holly Bailey (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2009/05/21/biden-on-gitmo-it-s-like-opening-pandora-s-box.aspx).
So perhaps he will. Or perhaps not. We'll see.

Biden continued: "But, look, what the president said is that this is going to be hard. It's like opening Pandora's Box. We don't know what's inside the box."

He also said that "to the best of my knowledge" the number of prisoners "who are a real danger who are not able to returned or tried" has "not been established" by the Obama administration.

So he basically just confirmed his predecessor Dick Cheney's analysis that the decision was taken "with little deliberation, and no plan".

For those citizens who might be a tad concerned about hardened Islamist fighters being housed in jails on the American mainland, the veep suggested they should visit the Unabomber (http://cunday.blogspot.com/2009/01/unabomber.html) or Richard Reid (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,203478,00.html) at the Colorado's Supermax (http://www.supermaxed.com/Federal-SM-Page.htm).
"There's a bit of a hysteria about, well, my God, these guys are so dangerous. Go to some maximum security cells if you want to know some dangerous people. Matter of fact, it might be an awakening to them."

Got that? Stop being hysterical and go buy a Greyhound ticket to the Supermax.

Rest assured though, Biden said that during his visits to Bosnia, Serbia and Kosovo he'd discussed "the prospect of a detainee coming back to the region".

That's "a detainee", singular. There are currently some 240 at Gitmo.
Of course, the vice-president might have it all wrong. He prefaced his remarks by stating that he was "out of the loop".

[The Professor]

LOLOL!!!

to the best of my knowledge...

i'm out of the loop...

please, no one ever on dcj or anywhere else must ever refer to any other human being (or dog) as stupid without qualifying it with a---but not as dumb as biden

LOL!

newsweek's richard wolfe has a new book out on the subject, obama is distracted by his idiot veep

in the following article, bigears is not much brighter, he still seems to think that his MIDDLE NAME is sufficient "credibility" to convince the raving lunatic Islamo terrorists to come around to "modernity"

LOLOL!





Obama 'Distracted' by Biden's 'Indiscipline,' Book Asserts

The president is so "distracted by his vice president's indiscipline" that he has been forced to rebuke privately Vice President Biden, according to a new book by Richard Wolffe.

By Bill Sammon

President Obama is so "distracted by his vice president's indiscipline" that he has been forced to rebuke privately Vice President Joe Biden, according to a new book by Newsweek journalist Richard Wolffe, who interviewed Obama a dozen times.

"He can't keep his mouth shut," Wolffe quotes a "senior Obama aide" as saying of the gaffe-prone Biden in "Renegade: The Making of a President," set for release June 2.

As evidence, Wolffe reports that during the presidential transition period, Biden insulted Valerie Jarrett, one of Obama's closest friends and confidantes. Jarrett had been considered Obama's top choice to fill his vacated Senate seat in Illinois, but took herself out of the running just hours after Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich allegedly told a wiretapped conference call he would not heed any Obama recommendation without a payoff.

"Soon after Jarrett pulled out of consideration for the Senate seat, the senior transition team met to discuss Cabinet picks," Wolffe writes.

"Biden tried to compliment Jarrett after one contribution. 'You should be in the Senate,' he quipped. After the meeting, as everyone returned to their offices, Obama stopped Biden to warn him not to say anything like that again. 'It's not funny,' he told him."

Obama ended up naming Jarrett a senior presidential adviser. After taking her post in the White House, Jarrett remarked on her boss' private communications with his inner circle.

"Very few people have his BlackBerry e-mail," she told Wolffe. "And they are very careful about using it."

In an e-mail sent to FOX News on Thursday, Jarrett said she took no offense to Biden's remark.

"Any suggestion that I was insulted by the vice president's gracious comments regarding my potential for public service is ridiculous. I was very flattered by his kind words at the time, and enjoy working closely with him in the White House," Jarrett said.

Although Obama was ranked as the most liberal member of the Senate by National Journal magazine, he had high praise for former President Ronald Reagan, a staunch conservative.

"Reagan would probably go down as a great president," Wolffe quotes Obama as saying.
"I don't think there's any doubt that Ronald Reagan had a profound effect on our economy, on our politics, on our culture."

Wolffe describes Obama's youth as "filled with drink and drugs and lazy days in Hawaii." But he said that all changed when Obama attended Columbia University in New York.

"That's when I stopped drinking. I stopped partying," Obama said. "This was my ascetic phase. Everything was stripped down."

Obama, who will travel to Egypt next month to give a major speech to the Muslim world, told Wolffe he wants to convene a "Muslim summit."

"If I had a Muslim summit, I think that I can speak credibly to them about the fact that I respect their culture," Obama said, "that I understand their religion, that I have lived in a Muslim country, and as a consequence I know it is possible to reconcile Islam with modernity and respect for human rights and a rejection of violence. And I think I can speak with added credibility."

The son of a white mother and black father, Obama said his election does not solve America's racial challenges.

"Solving our racial problems in this country will require concrete steps, significant investment," he said. "We have a lot of work to do to overcome the long legacy of slavery and Jim Crow. It can't be purchased on the cheap.

"I am fundamentally optimistic about our capacity to do that," he added. "And I do assert that there is a core decency in the American people and in white Americans that makes me hopeful about our ability to deal with these issues. But these issues aren't just solved by electing a black president."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/20/obama-distracted-bidens-indiscipline-book-asserts/

[Smurf-Herder]

Joe Biden is like Jim Carrey in the movie, Liar, Liar.

He can't help himself. He has to just spill it all out there; whatever the issue is.

[MintJulep]

Gaffe-machine is an understatement...........

[Smurf-Herder]

Gaffe-machine is an understatement...........

In some ways he's like a Chinese Fortune Cookie. :laugh:

Sometimes it's good for the public to hear his candid revelations. Sometimes it's garbage, but sometimes there's a peek behind the curtain in it.

[The Professor]

GENUINE idiot

you can't FAKE that

gee, who could be so STUPID as to pick that bigmouth dumbbell?

oh, yeah

why?

NONE of us dcj'ers would be that blockheaded, even the knee jerk lefties

that is, even WE all KNEW

LOL!

weird

in the background right now i got chrissy matthews and hardball on my msnbc

LOL!

and roger simon of politico

they're bashing pretty hard ms frsco nance, the also really stupid, supremely arrogant, boldfaced liar...

i could go on

she's quite a case

and it is 100% verbatim accurate POLITICALLY---don't blame me---that dopey bigears has idiotically failed to separate himself a sliver from that palsied fool

roger simon (i overhear)---she's hanging herself with her own words

(they're discussing her ANOTHER press conference this morning, friday)

roger simon---she's from the most liberal district in the US and she can't oppose waterboarding

roger simon---disingenuos

chrissy---she's a big distraction, she's a problem for the dems (LOL, i mean, no DUH), short term, it remains to be seen...

LOL!

roger simon---no guts

etc

THIS is msnbc, we're talking

ms nance was totally obliged, she HAD to go out there this am

obviously

just like dumbo ears had to do that interminable gitmo poem yesterday, like some really long, really bad epic, 300 pages of VERSE, aargh---like tasso

(NOT john milton---300 pages of HIS perfect iambic pentameter is NOT paradise lost, it's the greatest music ever written, milton did apparently channel GOD)

dumbo had to do gitmo yesterday cuz dick durbin said, "huh?"

the point---it TRULY was a DISASTER

POLITICALLY

now even HALF you right wingers don't fully DIG The one and only Prof

even you fabulous conservatives---God LOVE you---WRONGLY hear The Prof as an AUTOMATIC attack machine, no matter what the GREATEST LOSER does The Prof is gonna CARP

yes

AND NO

NOT IN THESE DAYS

THE POSTS I'VE PUT UP VS BIGEARS DUMBO THESE LAST MONTHS ARE NOT MERE POLITICAL ATTACKS

THEY ARE TRUE, VALID, SINCERE OBSERVATIONS OF---I CAN'T BELIEVE THE STUFF THAT'S GOING ON IN FRONT OF MY EYES

really

like the GITMO OPERA yesterday

LAMPOONED 10 minutes later by CHENEY

LOL!

and the PELOSI press conf this morning---THAT IS NOT POLITICAL POINT SCORING ON THE PROF'S PART

it REALLY was that GENUINE a DISASTER

NOT politics

that is, IT REALLY IS THAT BAD

like BIDEN above which started this whole discussion

BIDEN IS THAT BAD

don't blame me

or, if you must, crucify (LOL!) cliffy

[Mason66]

But Obama knew he was like this in chosing him.

What does that say about his choice?

Obama can't complain now about him.

[Smurf-Herder]

Biden could be designed to divert news time to bullshit.

[doctordog]

In some ways he's like a Chinese Fortune Cookie. :laugh:

Sometimes it's good for the public to hear his candid revelations. Sometimes it's garbage, but sometimes there's a peek behind the curtain in it.

it is hilarious that Obama can't keep him in check.

[The Professor]

it's true that biden is so bad it would almost look like a plant

except so many of his dumbo comments are so directly hurtful to bigears

like---there's a 30% chance he's driving us straight over a cliff

like---if you're going to mexico, stay off amtrak

like---On Jan. 31, 2007 -- the day Biden announced his presidential bid -- the Delaware Senator was roundly criticized for calling Obama "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/17/bidens-list-political-blunders/

my personal favorite was not so directly damaging to bigears

only indirectly, in that no one around here even would ever have been so beyond dumb as to pick such a dolt

my favorite---when the stock market CRASHED in 1929, biden says, fdr went on TELEVISION (LOLOL!)---to calm the nation

fdr---in the white house---his most comfortable wheelchair---1929, 3 full years before his election

he's WATCHING TV---LOLOL!!!

The Fanny Brice Show!

STARRING: Fanny Brice!

i'm wearing second hand hats
second hand clothes
thats why they call me...
second hand rose

BROUGHT TO YOU BY: Chesterfield! Smoke a Chesterfield and you'll not only LOOK GOOD, you'll FEEL GOOD too!

WITH A SPECIAL APPEARANCE BY: Al Jolson! In Blackface! (Franklin's confessed favorite)

the only problem is---to get any kind of reception poor louis howe has to stand by the window on one foot holding a coat hanger

for the duration

LOLOL!

happy MEMORIAL DAY, junkies!

cliff

[SimonDavid]

I am amazed at you people. Biden says what you want to hear, Obama does (http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/05/22/moyers/) what you want done (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090515/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_guantanamo_trials), and you are still not satisfied.

[The Professor]

"you people"

odd

revealing

you really STRUGGLE to UNDERSTAND us, huh, simondavid?

keep reading The Prof

let him explain OUR thinking to you

LOL!

cliff

[SimonDavid]

"you people"

odd

revealing

you really STRUGGLE to UNDERSTAND us, huh, simondavid?

keep reading The Prof

let him explain OUR thinking to you

LOL!

cliff
Again, I ask, are you African-American? If so, you may be offended by "You people"; indeed should be. I would not use the term in reference to you if I knew you were African-American, but you refuse to reveal whether that is the case, and aside from causing offense it is of no concern to me anyway, so on I go.
In any case, by "you people" I mean the paranoid fanatics who see Obama "destroying the economy" for as yet unnamed nefarious reasons, taking away all guns, handing our country over to the terrorists, etc.
You know the drill.
What amazes me is that he is following the Bush line with regard to the banks, torture investigations, Gitmo detainees, and a other policies, yet you still fear him. Why is that, one must ask...and stand amazed.
At you people.

[The Professor]

simondavid focuses on us people

essentially, gossip

while we talk about the issues, the president, the party in power...

you know, important stuff

again, very odd

and revealing

[The Professor]

I am amazed at you people. Biden says what you want to hear, Obama does (http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/05/22/moyers/) what you want done (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090515/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_guantanamo_trials), and you are still not satisfied.

we people have really high standards

right, we people?

i'm talking to the us's, now

not the them's

us's, is that it?

is it the HIGH standards WE ALL have?

i mean, why is it we're all so dissatisfied, us's, when obama bigears is doing everything WE PEOPLE ever wanted?

i sure wouldn't want to try to speak for ALL the WE's

LOL!

that'd be PRESUMPTUOUS

LOLOL!

cliff

[SimonDavid]

simondavid focuses on us people

essentially, gossip

while we talk about the issues, the president, the party in power...

you know, important stuff

again, very odd

and revealing
In this thread I asked a question about why, given that he is doing so much of exactly what you want, do so many of you (I assume you are people, but one never knows, I suppose) still quiver with fear and disgust at "bigears" (that is talking about the issues?). This thread.

[Smurf-Herder]

He's not doing what I want. Does that make me not one of those people?

[disrupter]

Putting Cheney & Bush in the Whitehouse was opening Pandora's box.

LadyLiberty7 knows all about fly & maggot crawling boxes spreading & being opened up.

She loves being open for Cheney.

[SimonDavid]

He's not doing what I want. Does that make me not one of those people?
I do not know you. Is continuing the Bush/Cheney agenda on Corporate welfare, Afghanistan, "Extraordinary Rendition", drug policy, marriage equality, "Don't ask, don't tell", and appointing Republican pre-approved judges to the Supreme Court not what you want?

[GetAClue]

I do not know you. Is continuing the Bush/Cheney agenda on Corporate welfare, Afghanistan, "Extraordinary Rendition", drug policy, marriage equality, "Don't ask, don't tell", and appointing Republican pre-approved judges to the Supreme Court not what you want?

There were plenty of those things that Bush did that I did not approve of when HE did them. Why would I now approve of Obama doing them? However, a lot of the liberals that screamed the loudest when Bush did them are sitting on their hands when Obama does them. I protested when Bush did them and will do the same no matter who occupies the oval office. The fact that a lot of liberals do not shows their hypocrisy.

[disrupter]

In many cases Obama's policies are not that far from the Bush wackies & their agenda.

I voted for Nader. Especially after Obama caved on his very own promise to hold telecoms accountable for their part in outlaw wiretapping.

The real difference between Obama & Bush is that Obama was actually elected by a majority of Americans & not just a freeloader from rigged & stolen elections.

[GetAClue]

In many cases Obama's policies are not that far from the Bush wackies & their agenda.

I voted for Nader. Especially after Obama caved on his very own promise to hold telecoms accountable for their part in outlaw wiretapping.

The real difference between Obama & Bush is that Obama was actually elected by a majority of Americans & not just a freeloader from rigged & stolen elections.

That is if you take ACORN out of the equation. Care to explain how Bush stole an election? The fact that the Dems wanted to recount votes in only a select couple of counties in Florida? The Supreme Court said either recount ALL counties or none and Florida said ok, none.

[SimonDavid]

There were plenty of those things that Bush did that I did not approve of when HE did them. Why would I now approve of Obama doing them? However, a lot of the liberals that screamed the loudest when Bush did them are sitting on their hands when Obama does them. I protested when Bush did them and will do the same no matter who occupies the oval office. The fact that a lot of liberals do not shows their hypocrisy.
I do not speak for a "lot" of liberals, nor all of them. I do not "sit on my hands".
By the same token, many "conservatives" threw away their principles to support the Bush Cabal. It is refreshing you are not among them. There are many others who are.

[SimonDavid]

That is if you take ACORN out of the equation. Care to explain how Bush stole an election? The fact that the Dems wanted to recount votes in only a select couple of counties in Florida? The Supreme Court said either recount ALL counties or none and Florida said ok, none.
ACORN had minimal effect, indeed if any, on the November 2008 election. There were a few hired hands, paid by the number of names and subsequently fired by ACORN, who signed up phony registrations. As you know, registrations are not votes.

[GetAClue]

ACORN had minimal effect, indeed if any, on the November 2008 election. There were a few hired hands, paid by the number of names and subsequently fired by ACORN, who signed up phony registrations. As you know, registrations are not votes.

Then what was the purpose. As I have stated previously, here in Ohio we had something called "same day registration". During about a week in late August or early October, people could register and vote in the same day. They also did NOT have to provide a valid address, a park bench could do. I do not wish to go back into this, but I came across a group of men that just got out of a car with New York license plates talking about the number of times they did this one evening and that they were headed back out of state.

I don’t have time now to discuss this, but it happened and when I began to question them, they got nervous, got back in their car and left.

Tell me ACORN did not have anything to do with this. It’s funny how ACORN is at the heart of the controversy in a number of states.

[doctordog]

ACORN had minimal effect, indeed if any, on the November 2008 election. There were a few hired hands, paid by the number of names and subsequently fired by ACORN, who signed up phony registrations. As you know, registrations are not votes.

Many states like OH allow voters to register and vote the same day, so yes they are the same. ACORN provided free meals to these people, it was as crooked as anything that took place in Florida. It was typical Chicago style politics.

[SimonDavid]

Then what was the purpose. As I have stated previously, here in Ohio we had something called "same day registration". During about a week in late August or early October, people could register and vote in the same day. They also did NOT have to provide a valid address, a park bench could do. I do not wish to go back into this, but I came across a group of men that just got out of a car with New York license plates talking about the number of times they did this one evening and that they were headed back out of state.

I don’t have time now to discuss this, but it happened and when I began to question them, they got nervous, got back in their car and left.

Tell me ACORN did not have anything to do with this. It’s funny how ACORN is at the heart of the controversy in a number of states.
That was covered in my first post. The reason was money. The gatherers were paid per name.

[disrupter]

The overnight result in Ohio 2004, flipped by 6.5 percent.

Exit polls had Kerry up by 4%,

Morning after GOP theft had Bush winning by 2.5%.

I just can't believe people can't see how ice cold stolen that was.
But i guess that might demand that they bother to be outraged if they are going to keep 'claiming' that democracy is so important or matters so much.

They would have to admit that a corporate media managed to downplay that kind of bald theft of their democracy,

& they let it happen,

with barely a whimper.

good thing ole 'Skull & Bones' Kerry was their guy, wow what a hero he turned out to be . . .

wow, you can really count on those Democrats to be fighters for democracy, right?

[disrupter]

Am i being too hard on Kerry?

I remember being flat out tired after a day monitoring in front of a voting location most of the day.

Riding home on the bus i remember overhearing Kerry had won, as well as on the news before i collapsed.

Was i too accepting of all that crap about how the exit polls could have gotten it THAT wrong?

Maybe i & lot of Americans have to all share that blame.

[SimonDavid]

Kerry did seem to be in a bit of a hurry to quit.

[GetAClue]

That was covered in my first post. The reason was money. The gatherers were paid per name.

Who did the money come from and why? Come on man; peel back the layers of the onion. Why would someone just want to pay for registrations? There is more to it than that. Think for once and quit accepting the word of the community organizer in chief. Follow the money trail. It ALWAYS leads to the real culprit.

[doctordog]

The overnight result in Ohio 2004, flipped by 6.5 percent.

Exit polls had Kerry up by 4%,

Morning after GOP theft had Bush winning by 2.5%.

I just can't believe people can't see how ice cold stolen that was.
But i guess that might demand that they bother to be outraged if they are going to keep 'claiming' that democracy is so important or matters so much.

They would have to admit that a corporate media managed to downplay that kind of bald theft of their democracy,

& they let it happen,

with barely a whimper.

good thing ole 'Skull & Bones' Kerry was their guy, wow what a hero he turned out to be . . .

wow, you can really count on those Democrats to be fighters for democracy, right?

Conservatives work and vote much later after exit polls are taken from the homeless, winos, and supposedly disabled.

[SimonDavid]

Who did the money come from and why? Come on man; peel back the layers of the onion. Why would someone just want to pay for registrations? There is more to it than that. Think for once and quit accepting the word of the community organizer in chief. Follow the money trail. It ALWAYS leads to the real culprit.
If one is given a job to acquire a list and is paid per object on that list, if one is dishonest and one wants more money, one may add objects to the list that do not exist. This does not require a PHD to understand. The actions of one or a few dishonest hired hands does not make those signing their paychecks dishonest.
As for "paying for registrations" the concept is to get people who are not registered to vote registered to vote. You seem to think registering voters is a bad thing. That there are those who would rather be paid for their time to do such a job rather than volunteer cannot be news to you. That there may be those who cheat in order to increase their paltry checks apparently is news, however.

[GetAClue]

If one is given a job to acquire a list and is paid per object on that list, if one is dishonest and one wants more money, one may add objects to the list that do not exist. This does not require a PHD to understand. The actions of one or a few dishonest hired hands does not make those signing their paychecks dishonest.
As for "paying for registrations" the concept is to get people who are not registered to vote registered to vote. You seem to think registering voters is a bad thing. That there are those who would rather be paid for their time to do such a job rather than volunteer cannot be news to you. That there may be those who cheat in order to increase their paltry checks apparently is news, however.
Take off the blinders and put the Kool-aid down. You sure paint a rosy picture where everything is on the up and up, but reality tends to put a damper on such nonsense. ACORN has an agenda and it is not simply to register voters. Now for this part, you actually have to put your partisan thoughts aside and think. Where does ACORN get the money to do this? Do they provide a service that they can charge fees for?

Well sort of. It comes in the form of Payola. I don’t remember the exact sum of money, but part of one of the pork laden bills was BILLIONS of dollars for ACORN. And who has the purse strings now?

That leads to the next question, who was ACORN registering to vote? It wasn’t middle class suburbanites that tend to vote moderate or heaven forbid conservative.

ACORN was getting paid back for doing exactly what they did. They signed up anyone with a pulse, and even some without, to ensure that there were people that could get to multiple polling places and use one of the registered names and cast a ballot. ACORN paid for invalid registrations so that they could get as many fraudulent votes as they could.

The other thing this did for them is that it showed up in the polling, in that the more voter registrations filed in predominantly democratic precincts, the better the polling for the democrats. The better the polls looked for the democrats, the more discouraged republican voters would be on election day and more likely to stay at home. If you don’t believe that, look at the Florida vote in 2004.

The Florida panhandle is on Central Standard Time while the rest of the state is on Eastern Standard Time. When the polls closed in the Eastern Time zone part of the state, the media began calling the election. Because most of that part of the state votes Democrat, the state was called for Kerry. A good number of republican voters in the panhandle felt that there votes were now useless and stayed home. Fortunately, the media was wrong the Bush won the state anyway.

[MintJulep]

Well sort of. It comes in the form of Payola. I don’t remember the exact sum of money, but part of one of the pork laden bills was BILLIONS of dollars for ACORN. And who has the purse strings now? It was 4 billion which was slotted for "Neighborhood Restabilization", i.e., ACORN.

[GetAClue]

It was 4 billion which was slotted for "Neighborhood Restabilization", i.e., ACORN.
Thank you for the update. I have been pretty lazy today and have not bothered to look it up.

[The Professor]

Take off the blinders and put the Kool-aid down. You sure paint a rosy picture where everything is on the up and up, but reality tends to put a damper on such nonsense. ACORN has an agenda and it is not simply to register voters. Now for this part, you actually have to put your partisan thoughts aside and think. Where does ACORN get the money to do this? Do they provide a service that they can charge fees for?

Well sort of. It comes in the form of Payola. I don’t remember the exact sum of money, but part of one of the pork laden bills was BILLIONS of dollars for ACORN. And who has the purse strings now?

That leads to the next question, who was ACORN registering to vote? It wasn’t middle class suburbanites that tend to vote moderate or heaven forbid conservative.

ACORN was getting paid back for doing exactly what they did. They signed up anyone with a pulse, and even some without, to ensure that there were people that could get to multiple polling places and use one of the registered names and cast a ballot. ACORN paid for invalid registrations so that they could get as many fraudulent votes as they could.

The other thing this did for them is that it showed up in the polling, in that the more voter registrations filed in predominantly democratic precincts, the better the polling for the democrats. The better the polls looked for the democrats, the more discouraged republican voters would be on election day and more likely to stay at home. If you don’t believe that, look at the Florida vote in 2004.

The Florida panhandle is on Central Standard Time while the rest of the state is on Eastern Standard Time. When the polls closed in the Eastern Time zone part of the state, the media began calling the election. Because most of that part of the state votes Democrat, the state was called for Kerry. A good number of republican voters in the panhandle felt that there votes were now useless and stayed home. Fortunately, the media was wrong the Bush won the state anyway.

great observation, GAC, about florida 2000

the state OBVIOUSLY turned out TIED

yet the MSM, all of em, CALLED the state for jfkerry BEFORE the panhandle closed

one of the dirtiest and almost direly consequential pieces of CHEAT ever perpetrated by the msm

they called florida for jfk HOURS before they gave OHIO to bush, and OH wasn't even very close

also, ACORN is the only group in america i know of that OPENLY pushes subprime

that is, bawney fwank and chris aig-bonuses dodd have smudged their fingerprints all over that particular pointy pin that popped our overblown bubble, subprime

but at least they have the decency to DENY it

acorn is OPEN---they chant outside bankers homes---lend to us, lend to us

they take over board meetings, pressuring institutions to LOAN DOWN

they protest outside citigroup in SF---don't you dare throw us out of our homes

most know all about acorn---radical street group engaged energetically in registering bums and whinos and mickey mouse and hundreds of people who don't exist

most know that the C and the O stand for Community Organizers

just WHO would PUT such a STUPID job DESCRIPTION on a RESUME for POTUS

community organizer---LOLOLOL!!!

THAT's how CLOSE obama the seed is to acorn the tree

most know all that

but few are aware of acorn's RESPONSIBILITY for SUBPRIME

good post, friend

cliff

[SimonDavid]

Take off the blinders and put the Kool-aid down. You sure paint a rosy picture where everything is on the up and up, but reality tends to put a damper on such nonsense. ACORN has an agenda and it is not simply to register voters. Now for this part, you actually have to put your partisan thoughts aside and think. Where does ACORN get the money to do this? Do they provide a service that they can charge fees for?

Well sort of. It comes in the form of Payola. I don’t remember the exact sum of money, but part of one of the pork laden bills was BILLIONS of dollars for ACORN. And who has the purse strings now?

That leads to the next question, who was ACORN registering to vote? It wasn’t middle class suburbanites that tend to vote moderate or heaven forbid conservative.
A comment like that is made and I "have to put aside my partisan thoughts"? Only the middle class or those who vote as you do have the right to be registered? That is revealing, although I admit I am not surprised.
ACORN is the Right's new bugaboo and will obviously continue to be. They are a street level community organization with an emphasis on the poor and dispossessed and are apparently as scary to the Right as Al Qaeda.


ACORN was getting paid back for doing exactly what they did. They signed up anyone with a pulse, and even some without, to ensure that there were people that could get to multiple polling places and use one of the registered names and cast a ballot. ACORN paid for invalid registrations so that they could get as many fraudulent votes as they could.
A reminder: the dead, registered or not, do not show up to vote. The actions of a few liars and cheats who took money to do a job on which they cheated do not constitute the kind of wide angle fraud you claim. It is a handy rationalization as to why the politics of Bush/Cheney and the Republican Party in general have been rejected, and no doubt a disappointment to you, but rationalization is all that it is.

The other thing this did for them is that it showed up in the polling, in that the more voter registrations filed in predominantly democratic precincts, the better the polling for the democrats. The better the polls looked for the democrats, the more discouraged republican voters would be on election day and more likely to stay at home. If you don’t believe that, look at the Florida vote in 2004.

The Florida panhandle is on Central Standard Time while the rest of the state is on Eastern Standard Time. When the polls closed in the Eastern Time zone part of the state, the media began calling the election. Because most of that part of the state votes Democrat, the state was called for Kerry. A good number of republican voters in the panhandle felt that there votes were now useless and stayed home. Fortunately, the media was wrong the Bush won the state anyway.
So? This is how politics works. In 1976 Jimmy Carter conceded before the polls closed in the West, no doubt giving Democratic voters in those states little reason to vote. Why do I suspect, if you were alive then, you celebrated that development?

[GetAClue]

A comment like that is made and I "have to put aside my partisan thoughts"? Only the middle class or those who vote as you do have the right to be registered?
No, but that list should not include dead people, cartoon characters or any other made up person those on the left have voting for them. And yes, I did say voting. The reason to register is to then follow it up with a vote. ACORN is registering as many people as they can so that the most unscrupulous of us (the lunatic fringe liberals) can go from precinct to precinct and vote numerous times. Yes it happens.

That is revealing, although I admit I am not surprised.
ACORN is the Right's new bugaboo and will obviously continue to be. They are a street level community organization with an emphasis on the poor and dispossessed and are apparently as scary to the Right as Al Qaeda.

Yea, it’s funny how conservatives rail against corruption and voter fraud. We’re funny that way.


A reminder: the dead, registered or not, do not show up to vote.
But they do, see my comments above.


The actions of a few liars and cheats who took money to do a job on which they cheated do not constitute the kind of wide angle fraud you claim.
It’s funny how all of these liars and cheats all work for the same corrupt organization. There are many groups and actively get people out to register and vote, yet the only ones that seem to employ these illegal tactics all seem to work for ACORN. What are the odds?


It is a handy rationalization as to why the politics of Bush/Cheney and the Republican Party in general have been rejected, and no doubt a disappointment to you, but rationalization is all that it is.

Yes, Bush/Cheney policy was rejected by some in this country, and some or than once. That is the problem.

But you are correct, there was a lot about Bush/Cheney that conservatives did not like either. However, Bush/Cheney were not on the last ballot. We had socialist and socialist-lite on the ballot.


So? This is how politics works. In 1976 Jimmy Carter conceded before the polls closed in the West, no doubt giving Democratic voters in those states little reason to vote. Why do I suspect, if you were alive then, you celebrated that development?
Correct, but there is a difference between the two. Carter conceding was legal and did not involve illegal or fake voter registrations to give false polling data.

[SimonDavid]

No, but that list should not include dead people, cartoon characters or any other made up person those on the left have voting for them. And yes, I did say voting. The reason to register is to then follow it up with a vote. ACORN is registering as many people as they can so that the most unscrupulous of us (the lunatic fringe liberals) can go from precinct to precinct and vote numerous times. Yes it happens.


Yea, it’s funny how conservatives rail against corruption and voter fraud. We’re funny that way.


But they do, see my comments above.


It’s funny how all of these liars and cheats all work for the same corrupt organization. There are many groups and actively get people out to register and vote, yet the only ones that seem to employ these illegal tactics all seem to work for ACORN. What are the odds?


Yes, Bush/Cheney policy was rejected by some in this country, and some or than once. That is the problem.

But you are correct, there was a lot about Bush/Cheney that conservatives did not like either. However, Bush/Cheney were not on the last ballot. We had socialist and socialist-lite on the ballot.


Correct, but there is a difference between the two. Carter conceding was legal and did not involve illegal or fake voter registrations to give false polling data.
ELECTION ’08: ACORN (http://www.publicintegrity.org/blog/entry/885/?gclid=CI6d3rn36ZoCFQzxDAodYFZVCA), Stuck Between a Law and a Hard Place
By Sarah Laskow | October 16, 2008, 11:09 am

The McCain campaign is skewering the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) for turning in fallacious voter registration forms. During Wednesday’s debate the GOP presidential candidate said that ACORN was “on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy.” But the group, along with major news organizations, contends that in many states, laws require the submission of the registration forms — faulty or not. So, if the group is required to turn in the forms regardless, why the accusations?

To understand why ACORN is getting so much flak, it’s important to understand how the group works. More than 13,000 individuals, employed by the organization, went out and collected voter registration forms, according to ACORN’s website. It’s likely that a few of these individuals falsified the forms now in question; in 2007, canvassers working for ACORN in Missouri and Washington state admitted falsifying voter registrations. But ACORN also says it hired anywhere from two to 20 employees per office to comb over the piles of forms for fraudulent submissions. Instead of discarding these forms (a policy that seems like it might save them legal troubles), the group flags them as problematic, fires the employee responsible, has a supervisor hand the forms in anyway, and encourages the state to prosecute the wayward ex-employee, according to the group.

So let’s look at one of the states where issues with ACORN have been raised. In Nevada, state investigators raided ACORN’s office last week. Bob Walsh, a public information officer for the Nevada secretary of state, pointed out that the group has not been charged with anything. So far all the secretary of state’s office has done is execute a search warrant. Officials there are currently looking through ACORN’s records.

Walsh also said that ACORN should definitely have turned in the forms, even if they were false and ACORN knew they were false. In a state like Nevada, the law for third-party registration groups is particularly complicated. These groups must sign up with the secretary of state, who keeps track of the unique identifier of each registration form distributed to them. The voter registration organization is required to return every form it takes, whether completed or blank. That’s why ACORN submits registrations that anyone could tell are probably a big fat joke.

But Nevada’s law also forbids “knowingly falsifying an application to register to vote.” Ostensibly that’s why the secretary of state is looking into ACORN’s records to begin with: The group turned in obviously false registration forms. But that’s a separate part of the law and does not change ACORN’s obligation to turn in all the forms. In short, it’s not clear that in Nevada ACORN was wrong to turn in the forms; indeed, it appears the group was trying to follow the law.

While voter registration law does vary state by state, ACORN follows the same procedure across the country. All of the secretary of state’s offices PaperTrail contacted, however, said that third-party registration groups should turn in fraudulent-looking forms, but can flag them to alert election officials to their suspicions. Here’s a run-down of the sorts of laws ACORN is subject to in some key swing states:

OHIO
In Ohio, anyone who is paid to register voters must return the registration forms they complete to the office of the secretary of state.

MISSOURI
In Missouri, paid canvassers must register with the secretary of state as “voter registration solicitors,” but are required to submit the forms they collect.

NEW MEXICO
In New Mexico, a “third party registration agent” signs up with the secretary of state and provides “sworn statements for each registration agent . . . stating that the agent will obey all state laws and rules regarding the registration of voters.” If the forms are filled out in their entirety, the groups have to deliver the forms within 48 hours, even those that appear fraudulent. [New Mexico Election Handbook 1-4-49 — available here.]

MICHIGAN
In Michigan, there are no particular rules governing third-party voter registrations.

NORTH CAROLINA
In North Carolina, it is a misdemeanor to not submit a completed form. Voter registration workers must deliver the forms at least 25 days before the election.