Voters vote no on California propositions

[radioguy]

Voters vote no on California propositions


California voters have officially voted no on five of the six propositions in Tuesday's special elections, according to the results provided by California's Secretary of State's official website.

Proposition 1A through 1E were critical in seeking to change the state's budget system, but the five propositions received over 60 percent of voters saying no.

Prop. 1A was to limit state spending and increase the "rainy day" funds from 5 percent to 12.5 percent.

Prop 1B would have given supplemental payments of $9.3 billion to schools and community colleges, if Prop. 1A had passed.

Prop 1C would have modernize the state lottery and allow the state to borrow $5 billion against future lottery revenues.

Prop 1D would have moved $1.6 billion in tobacco taxes from services for children five and younger to the state's general fund, where it would be spent on other children's programs.

Prop 1E would have revised 2004's Prop. 63 to temporarily allow tax money earmarked for new spending on mental health programs to be moved to the general fund to help balance the state budget.

The only proposition voters approved of was Prop 1F, with about 75.5 percent of voters saying yes. Prop 1F prohibits government officials to receive a pay raise during a deficit.

Since the first five propositions did not pass, California will expect more budget cuts.

The special election was aimed to close a gap of approximately $42 billion and now will mostly likely face a growth of $21.3 billion shortfall this summer.

Link (http://xpress.sfsu.edu/archives/news/013329.html)

[radioguy]

When even the predominantly liberal voters of California say "No" to tax increases, this ought to be a strong message to the Obama administration and the democrats in Washington.

[mwillman]

These were republican propositions that the democratic leadership accepted becuase they got something for it.

The liberal voters of California basically said fuck off republicans.

[radioguy]

These were republican propositions that the democratic leadership accepted becuase they got something for it.

The liberal voters of California basically said fuck off republicans.

Sorry pal, but tax increases are liberal economic policies, no matter who writes them... and the voters of California rejected them.

[SeniorChief]

Sorry pal, but tax increases are liberal economic policies, no matter who writes them... and the voters of California rejected them.

Boy, is he fucking dumb, or what....

[mwillman]

No, as usual you dont have a clue.

The propositions were created by republicans.

The problem in California is the budget process.
They should not need a super majority to pass budgets. Its gives the republicans the ability to block everything even when they are a minority.

[SeniorChief]

The propositions were created by republicans.



The point of this thread is each of the propositions wanted to raise taxes and Californians (less you) said hell no.

I realize this is a complex matter - perhaps you should stick to issues you're familar with, like same sex marriage and masterbation.

[mwillman]

You can create all the bullshit you want but it has nothing to do with reality.

The only thing complex around here is how your body moves with no brain to run it.

[radioguy]

The propositions were created by republicans.

ARE YOU DENSE?

Read the following again:

Sorry pal, but tax increases are liberal economic policies, no matter who writes them... and the voters of California rejected them.

[SeniorChief]

ARE YOU DENSE?



I ask him that daily. As I am sure his father, mother, social worker, priest, boyfriend, the local police department, and his supervisor at Burger King do.

[mwillman]

If you mean am I dense in the sense that I will stubbornly fight the lies and bull shit the right throws out like its the only thing they have a gift for creating, You bet ya.

As for the rest of your crap, YAWN :readpaper: :readpaper:

[Black Widow]

When even the predominantly liberal voters of California say "No" to tax increases, this ought to be a strong message to the Obama administration and the democrats in Washington.
exactly my thinking... shame on arnold for leaning so far left. i had high hopes for him.

[Cat slave]

Guess the RHINO/governator just got his hat handed to him. Lets sell CA to
the highest bidder and set an example to the rest of the country. They are
too big to fail.....so much for that.....think of the $$ that could be raised
for Hollywood and all the illegal aliens firmly entrenched in the system of
that failing state. Sell those mansions complete with yard boys and house
maids....twofers! Cheap! Theres some Arab out there Im sure willing to
step up to buy the whole ball of wax. Can you imagine the possibilities?:D

[WilliamSmyth]

Guess the RHINO/governator just got his hat handed to him. Lets sell CA to
the highest bidder and set an example to the rest of the country. They are
too big to fail.....so much for that.....think of the $$ that could be raised
for Hollywood and all the illegal aliens firmly entrenched in the system of
that failing state. Sell those mansions complete with yard boys and house
maids....twofers! Cheap! Theres some Arab out there Im sure willing to
step up to buy the whole ball of wax. Can you imagine the possibilities?:D

Ok, but you will have to come up with replacement sources for the money that CA has been sending to the rest of the country for decades.

[WilliamSmyth]

As a Californian who voted against all the propositions, I don't think it is clear that this was a vote against increasing taxes. In fact, if there had been some clean propositions that addressed raising particular fees or taxes I might have voted for them. Just as I might have voted for propositions that eliminated or cut back on certain programs. Virtually every proposition was a contorted mess filled with gimmickry. That is what I voted against.

As an example, 1C would have changed the way the lottery profits were distributed. Currently they are dedicated for the schools. Well perhaps it is time to look at that, but they tied it to a 5 Billion dollar bond backed by future lottery earnings.

[mwillman]

As a Californian who voted against all the propositions, I don't think it is clear that this was a vote against increasing taxes. In fact, if there had been some clean propositions that addressed raising particular fees or taxes I might have voted for them. Just as I might have voted for propositions that eliminated or cut back on certain programs. Virtually every proposition was a contorted mess filled with gimmickry. That is what I voted against.

As an example, 1C would have changed the way the lottery profits were distributed. Currently they are dedicated for the schools. Well perhaps it is time to look at that, but they tied it to a 5 Billion dollar bond backed by future lottery earnings.


Well put William,

I agree that's why I voted no on most of them as well. I voted yes on F becuase any limit to raises for the legislators during down times is just common sense.

What we need is to have the super majority requirement for the budget removed. We also need better legislators, they get way to greedy way to fast.

[WilliamSmyth]

Well put William,

I agree that's why I voted no on most of them as well. I voted yes on F becuase any limit to raises for the legislators during down times is just common sense.

What we need is to have the super majority requirement for the budget removed. We also need better legislators, they get way to greedy way to fast.
I agree, the super majority is and was an idiotic idea which causes problems even in good times.

[SeedyROM]

We should watch carefully because the mistakes in California are spilling over into national politics and the usual selfishness is going to get expensive. Just because Obama can raise the debt ceiling and print money for punch drunk liberals and the selfish is no reason to appease them.

[Cat slave]

Ok, but you will have to come up with replacement sources for the money that CA has been sending to the rest of the country for decades.

Guess they have to become.....more "competitive"!:D

[radioguy]

Guess they have to become.....more "competitive"!:D

They already have the highest tax rates in the nation, and are one of the least "business friendly" states in the union. The liberals in the state legislature think the solution is to further increase that tax burden, which will only drive more people out, and force businesses to relocate to other states.

Doesn't sound like a plan to be more "competitive" to me.

[Binky]

Since a lot of what CA does, influences the rest of the country, maybe now other states will start voting no a lot more often rather than just giving the money away. With the economy as bad as it is, I don't think any politician should be getting the huge raises they normally do. Common sense dictates here. Duh! Also, maybe CA should clean up its liberal act and set a better example for the rest of the country.