Man, they must really hate the gays in Indiana

[Bill]

Teacher is advisor to school student newspaper.

Student in school writes article advocated tolerance of the gays.

Teacher loses her job, agrees to a transfer to another school where she will be expressly prohibited from being involved in journalism classes.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/04/27/school.newspaper.flap.ap/index.html

Still, thats better than the kid who wrote a story for his creative writing class that "distubed" the teacher - that poor bastard went to jail for it.

[Mr. Blue]

Funny, in New York, even when I was going to high school (15 years ago), we were taught tolerance to the gay lifestyle and it was completely accepted. It shows the great divide from state to state.

[Betty Blowtorch]

It's cuz of all them good little Christians http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8256/jesuspogocrossanimationbm9.gif



out there in Jesusland http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4714/jesuslandyk7.jpg

[imgonnaeaturlunch]

Teacher is advisor to school student newspaper.

Student in school writes article advocated tolerance of the gays.

Teacher loses her job, agrees to a transfer to another school where she will be expressly prohibited from being involved in journalism classes.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/04/27/school.newspaper.flap.ap/index.html

Still, thats better than the kid who wrote a story for his creative writing class that "distubed" the teacher - that poor bastard went to jail for it.
Indiana used to have the largest KKK membership in the U S, around 500,00. That tells you all youi need to know 'bout the Hoosier " Who's your daddy" state.

[Mr. Blue]

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4714/jesuslandyk7.jpg

I used to joke about Jesusland but now I'm really starting to think the country should divide. New York, New England States, California, etc, etc, have just such a different mentality that I wonder if it's just time to make a clean split.

[Betty Blowtorch]

I used to joke about Jesusland but now I'm really starting to think
the country should divide. New York, New England States, California,
etc, etc, have just such a different mentality that I wonder if it's just
time to make a clean split.
Yes Yes Yes Yes!!!

Actually I don't give a damn what New York and New England does,
but California (my home state) should definitely secede from the
Union. I think we've put up with red state morons long enough.

[Tommy]

the gay thing is not really an issue that motivates me but
Something that REALLY bothered me was what AJ posted in this thread
http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=616


OK..... I can see the whole marriage thing, I don't agree with it but....

in this thread they are actually trying to get ford to stop hiring gays and to stop advertising in gay media

that goes way beyond the whole marriage thing
I mean getting somebody fired because of what they do in their bedroom is immoral, they no longer have a right to a job or to feed their families ??

their kids should starve or not have school clothes etc etc

I spent a lot of nights in bed stareing at the ceiling thinking about the implications of boycotting a company because they hire openly gay people

[Betty Blowtorch]

The gay thing is not really an issue that motivates me
but something that REALLY bothered me was what AJ
posted in this thread

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=616

Yeah, that's a good one, but I really loved AJ's comment (http://dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=6599&postcount=8)
about nuking Iran:



I for one would lose no sleep if Bush used a nuclear device
on a country like Iran. They don't import oil to the USA
so it would have little economic impact.
Hey, what the heck. Let's nuke a few million innocent women
and children. No biggie. That's what Jeezuz would do.

AJ's comments are HELL-arious.

I love reading AJ's comments. I wish he would make more
of them. He's a perfect example of demented Christian hate
and insanity. And he has no frigging clue how loony he is.

AJ, we love you, we miss you. Where are you? http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9353/7963gy2.gif

[imgonnaeaturlunch]

I used to joke about Jesusland but now I'm really starting to think the country should divide. New York, New England States, California, etc, etc, have just such a different mentality that I wonder if it's just time to make a clean split.
Naw, were gonna make 'em swallow it all, hook, line & sinker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[imgonnaeaturlunch]

Yes Yes Yes Yes!!!

Actually I don't give a damn what New York and New England does,
but California (my home state) should definitely secede from the
Union. I think we've put up with red state morons long enough.
Cali sure has & continues to benefit from lots of military spending wouldn't you agree. C'mon, you clowns decided to kick out Davis in favor of Awwwwwwwwnold. The guy has been in this country for over 30 years & he still talks like he just got off the boat. Now I ask you, what klind of example is he setting for immigrants?

[Tommy]

a lot of idiots wanna nuke the middle east but are to stupid to realize how much it would hurt the usa

[allvegas]

a lot of idiots wanna nuke the middle east but are to stupid to realize how much it would hurt the usa

Worldwide Nuclear Dissarmament would sit well with me BUT; What is the official US policy on the use of nuclear weapons? What is our policy if Diplomacy fails, and UN Sanctions fail to totally neutralize a Nuclear Threat?
** Get the Private Sector (Industry etc.) involved?
** Eliminate rogue nation Nuclear Delivery capabilities before they strike?
** Wait until New York or San Francisco are incinerated before retaliating?

I'd like to believe the Commander in Chief isn't some trigger happy cowboy, and that there actualy is a comprehensive plan. But I wonder, I really wonder.

[Linkster]

allvegas - welcome - and I think most of your concerns are already taken care of by a combination of IAEA and the nuclear treaties we have.
That isnt to say that we adhere to our treaties as we obviously do not.
I also dont think that we really have any ambitions when it comes to Iran as between the US and US based companies working through the French government supplied all of the nuclear materials, training and plans that Iran is currently working with - and we know that the enrichment process that they use if for commercial fuel - not weaponized fuel
Unfortunately not very many US citizens understand the nuclear process and believe any "warning diatribes" put out through mainstream media avenues.

There is a very good reason that IAEA is not concerned when it comes to Iran and other "rogue nations"??? Of course even that designation is completely different than actual US policy including their last 20 years worth of dealings with Iran

[Linkster]

I apologize for not completely answering your question - and ranting a little - the actual "policy" in the US is not classified - and what is put out publicly is that they have a stance of non-proliferation - although it seems that three countries have attained nuclear weapon capability with our help recently and at least two more that the US doesnt admit to

[allvegas]

allvegas - welcome - and I think most of your concerns are already taken care of by a combination of IAEA and the nuclear treaties we have.
That isnt to say that we adhere to our treaties as we obviously do not.
I also dont think that we really have any ambitions when it comes to Iran as between the US and US based companies working through the French government supplied all of the nuclear materials, training and plans that Iran is currently working with - and we know that the enrichment process that they use if for commercial fuel - not weaponized fuel
Unfortunately not very many US citizens understand the nuclear process and believe any "warning diatribes" put out through mainstream media avenues.

There is a very good reason that IAEA is not concerned when it comes to Iran and other "rogue nations"??? Of course even that designation is completely different than actual US policy including their last 20 years worth of dealings with Iran

We gave Korea Nuclear Plants in the 90's, we didn't impede Khan from proliferating in the 90's, there's a host of equipment out there unaccounted for, capable of supporting dirty bombs and for producing weapons grade material. And now we see the beginnings of serious delivery systems in the hands of rogue nations. I could write a dissertation on it. I worked for 22 years on major nuclear programs for the DOE, including processing and re-processing facilities. Washington is not adequately addressing the problem.

[Linkster]

If you worked for DOE at processing facilities then you know better than most that a dirty bomb doesnt require the first thing in the world produced or used in nuclear power - I could build one at my local hospital, find a local construction company with a radiography license or even a oil well prospector with some well-logging equipment - again its that mushroom cloud mentality portrayed in the news media that does the injustice and connecting of the publics "dots".

Second - we gave Israel, India, Pakistan, Iran, So Africa, Korea and a few others plenty of nuclear technology (and in some cases even bomb technology and material) - however, producing weapons grade material is a much different process than producing electrical energy enriched material and again you would know that working at DOE facilities - I would guess that Iran probably has a good 10-15 years before they would have the capability of real processing, Korea probably has some capability, but lost on the world with their recent test was that the type of test they ran (exploded) was not within their tecnological capability.
Most experts believe that Korea happened upon a weapon that either was one of the three lost back in the early 90s by the US (I believe its attributed to Cheney) or one of the old USSR weapons.

I'll leave it at that for now

[allvegas]

Ya, you're right, you can put just about anything in a dirty bomb. But all the public has to see is 'men in white coats' with geiger counters on the 6 o'clock news an there's panic, whether there's anything there or not. But if there's enough of the bad stuff...depends on what's in the bomb.

Nuclear grade stuff can come from breeders, gas centrifuge enrichment (like Iran), diffusion, re-processing etc. But the rogue countries will have it and the delivery systems, Korea already does. And who the h_ll gave it to them? And, who the h_ll stopped the guys like Khan in the 1990's? No one gives a sh_t until an American city is bombed and contaminated.

[Linkster]

I would be very surprised if gas centrifuge enrichment would produce a weapon in Iran in the near future - first you need thousands of the damn things (which is why the US never used the process) and it would take a year running all of those to produce enough HEU for one bomb - extremely inefficient. If they started up a diffusion plant it would emit a heat signature that would be unmistakable (similar to the way we found the plant in Iraq years ago) - and the IAEA would be all over it

The thing that most Americans dont understand is that these processes arent something that you can just simply "do" - they take a huge investment in foreign parts (which Iran hasnt done yet and most other states dont have the money for) - and to top it off you have to have a huge supply of raw materials which Iran also doesnt have.
Thats why when S Africa built their enrichment plant they used the gun diffusion process that we helped them with - and it still took forever to get it to the point that it made enough material for one weapon

The Koreans went the breeder path using technology we sold them - but again its signature is unmistakable and the IAEA would know about it long before a weapon could be produced

Im interested in your "white coat" and "geiger" statements - since I have never seen anyone use white clothing or geiger counters in my experience- sounds like a movie or something??

[Tommy]

Allvegas Welcome to the board

what I was getting at is we cant use nukes in the middle east

these are very complicated problems and cant be solved by the mob mentality

if even any one of these things happened it would be a disaster for the USA


1) the fallout could get in to israel

2) the area we nuked would be radioactive for hundreds of years maybe thousands and that area would not be able to produce oil, driving prices thru the roof. How does 300 for a barrel of oil sound, 12 dollars for a gallon of gas ??

3) Pakistan has nukes and if any fallout got in to that country they could retaliate

4) after watching their families die a horrible death the people that survive will be looking for a little payback. we could create tens of thousands of terrorists

5) Pakistan is not a very stable government and they have nukes. If we used Nukes against a Muslim country you could see the hardliners in Pakistan over throw the government and retaliate against us

6) Other Muslim countries might have tremendous sympathy for the country that got nuked and OPEC might refuse to sell oil to the USA
remember that happened in the seventies

as long as this country is dependent on the oil from the middle east we have to take it up the ass
I dont like that any more then you do but thats the way it is

[allvegas]

Allvegas Welcome to the board

what I was getting at is we cant use nukes in the middle east

these are very complicated problems and cant be solved by the mob mentality

if even any one of these things happened it would be a disaster for the USA


1) the fallout could get in to israel

2) the area we nuked would be radioactive for hundreds of years maybe thousands and that area would not be able to produce oil, driving prices thru the roof. How does 300 for a barrel of oil sound, 12 dollars for a gallon of gas ??

3) Pakistan has nukes and if any fallout got in to that country they could retaliate

4) after watching their families die a horrible death the people that survive will be looking for a little payback. we could create tens of thousands of terrorists

5) Pakistan is not a very stable government and they have nukes. If we used Nukes against a Muslim country you could see the hardliners in Pakistan over throw the government and retaliate against us

6) Other Muslim countries might have tremendous sympathy for the country that got nuked and OPEC might refuse to sell oil to the USA
remember that happened in the seventies

as long as this country is dependent on the oil from the middle east we have to take it up the ass
I dont like that any more then you do but thats the way it is

Hey, Tommy, all important points, but you are preaching to the choir. Somehow I sense you believe I'd condone using Nukes in the East. Where did you get that idea? Previously I stated my preference for banning the damn things worldwide. But unstable countries are building them. Would they Nuke the US. I doubt it. Is material available to Islamic maniacs? You bet. Given the chance, would they use it against us? You bet.

What has Washington been doing except hissing at each other over political power. What we needed at least 10 years ago was a very robust 'National Energy Policy & Program', one that's at least the equivalent of the 'Manhattan Project', in today’s dollars. So where is it? It isn't there because 'well funded American ingenuity' could probably create a diverse and comprehensive energy infrastructure where oil is merely one waning component.

Wasn’t it a $40 billion quarterly profit by Exxon-Mobile? (In one Quarter)

[allvegas]

I would be very surprised if gas centrifuge enrichment would produce a weapon in Iran in the near future - first you need thousands of the damn things (which is why the US never used the process) and it would take a year running all of those to produce enough HEU for one bomb - extremely inefficient. If they started up a diffusion plant it would emit a heat signature that would be unmistakable (similar to the way we found the plant in Iraq years ago) - and the IAEA would be all over it

The thing that most Americans dont understand is that these processes arent something that you can just simply "do" - they take a huge investment in foreign parts (which Iran hasnt done yet and most other states dont have the money for) - and to top it off you have to have a huge supply of raw materials which Iran also doesnt have.
Thats why when S Africa built their enrichment plant they used the gun diffusion process that we helped them with - and it still took forever to get it to the point that it made enough material for one weapon

The Koreans went the breeder path using technology we sold them - but again its signature is unmistakable and the IAEA would know about it long before a weapon could be produced

Im interested in your "white coat" and "geiger" statements - since I have never seen anyone use white clothing or geiger counters in my experience- sounds like a movie or something??

Was off the board awhile, sorry. I don’t know what to think of Iran, don’t know enough. Can we monitor Iran’s possibly sneaking production of plutonium? I’d guess the IAEA is thinking of just that, and how to monitor it. As you know, inspections can calculate plutonium by monitoring the amount of fuel entering the core, the time the reactor is on, and its power output. To make the stuff, the reactor would be shut-down for some time, Satellites pick that up. But as I recall (I’ll double check) the Bushehr reactor is a PWR (Light Water) reactor. It will produce Plutonium, but not weapons grade stuff.

However, you don’t need refined plutonium metal. Refined U-235 bombs are simple to make, and need little testing. A grad student could make one. No one can read the mind of a maniac leader and their ability to be sneaky. But Iran has agreed to fully comply with the international inspection (IAEA) process, and they’re a signatory to the NPT. Can we trust them? I doubt it.

[Linkster]

First off - wouldnt Iran need to start up the reactors? They havent been run yet - actually one usint will never be completed (Unit 2) and Unit 1 is still only 85% - and that assumes they are able to buy the fuel which they still dont have
Being a PWR (which by the way has nothing to do with being light water - it is a pressurized water reactor that the US uses extensively these days) - it is impossible to create plutonium without the plants to take the spent fuel, move it safely to another facility, process out the waste and then start thinking about refining the plutonium - and as of right now the Russians have the contract for removing the spent fuel and moving it to Russia at a pretty high cost to the Iranians
This also assumes that the Russians give the fuel to the Iranians in the first place which they havent done yet - and once the fuel is in it takes 18 months to burn enough fuel to take out and reprocess

As far as refinined U235 - it is not simple to make as you state - it takes thousands of centrifuges running for a very long time if you go that route - or building a gas diffusion plant which again is extremely costly - and neither of these are in place - and IAEAs prediction is that it would take about 15 years to create these processes in Iran at present

Can we trust them - I dont think that its a question we need to be asking - I think that someone in the US government already does or they wouldnt have allowed GE and Westinghouse to sell them the parts and we wouldnt have had Iranian students trained at MIT for the purpose of starting up a reactor as we did

Because they are a signatory to the treaties they have every right in the world to start up electrical generation plants - and the IAEA will back them up on that - the biggest drawback is that they have been trying since work stopped in 1979 and still dont have most of the work done - so its really a non-issue
Im sure some conservative or liberal blowhards will make a big deal out of the nuclear program there but it seems to me if everything is done with inspections as their president promised things will be just fine

Id be a little more worried about a country that really has idealistic intentions against us - Irans' people are by a large percentage very supportive of the US - and have very normal lives just like ours - unfortunately a few bad apples always paint the entire population over there as being terroristic, islamic fanatics and yet there are more of those living in the US than in Iran

[allvegas]

I would be very surprised if gas centrifuge enrichment would produce a weapon in Iran in the near future - first you need thousands of the damn things (which is why the US never used the process) and it would take a year running all of those to produce enough HEU for one bomb - extremely inefficient. If they started up a diffusion plant it would emit a heat signature that would be unmistakable (similar to the way we found the plant in Iraq years ago) - and the IAEA would be all over it

The thing that most Americans dont understand is that these processes arent something that you can just simply "do" - they take a huge investment in foreign parts (which Iran hasnt done yet and most other states dont have the money for) - and to top it off you have to have a huge supply of raw materials which Iran also doesnt have.
Thats why when S Africa built their enrichment plant they used the gun diffusion process that we helped them with - and it still took forever to get it to the point that it made enough material for one weapon

The Koreans went the breeder path using technology we sold them - but again its signature is unmistakable and the IAEA would know about it long before a weapon could be produced

Im interested in your "white coat" and "geiger" statements - since I have never seen anyone use white clothing or geiger counters in my experience- sounds like a movie or something??


This isn't a discussion. It's a pompous, holier than thou one way dissertation.

[Linkster]

wow - didnt mean to come accross as pompous or holier than thou - as first Im not religious in the slightest - and the background I have in the nuclear industry just peeks through I guess -sorry
Although I would have to say that some of the stuff that youve been saying about Iran seems to have a mainstream media flavor to it instead of real knowledge of the topic - I would love to keep discussing any parts of this :thumbsup:

[Betty Blowtorch]

Cali[fornia] sure has & continues to benefit from lots
of military spending, wouldn't you agree.
According to the Tax Foundation, (http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html) Californians get back
only 79 cents for every dollar of federal taxes we pay.

Californians have to pay up the ass to subsidize http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7530/prezmonkeyrf9.jpg
all you hypocritical, bible-thumping, gun-toting Red State morons.


California has the sixth largest
economy in the world.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2756/californiaeconomysx2.gif

If California seceded from the Union and became
a nation on its own, its national economy would
outrank China and Canada.

California could get along quite nicely without
being saddled with the 49 inferior states.

Just give us our fair share of nukes, F-16's and
Abrams tanks (which we bought and paid for)
and we'll take care of ourselves, thank you,
without any "help" from the rest of you.



C'mon, you clowns decided to kick out Davis
in favor of Awwwwwwwwnold.
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8986/nun1jv8.gif
Moi? A clown?

Are you accusing Betty of having voted
for a Republican? How dare you, sir!

Betty has never voted for a Republican
and never will. Betty is a card-carrying
member of the Cowardly Wimp Party
(otherwise known as the Democrats.)

Although I didn't vote for Awwnold,
I must admit he's more entertaining
than Grey Davis.



The guy has been in this country for over 30 years
& he still talks like he just got off the boat.

Now I ask you, what kind of example is he setting
for immigrants?
Betty doesn't like being put in the position of defending a
Republican, but -- are you nuts?

Awnold came to America with nothing, an Austrian immigrant
who could barely speak English, and he turned himself into
an international movie star, a multi-millionaire businessman
and the governor of a state with the sixth largest economy
in the world.

Awnold is a perfect example of what an immigrant http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5026/arnoldswarzjr1.jpg
can accomplish through lots of honest hard work. And steroids.

[Betty Blowtorch]

Betty's in a better mood now. http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/739/avatarpotbabyyy2.jpg
Just got back from the pot store.


Decisions, decisions. http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/4838/marijuanabud1na3.jpg
So many kinds of top-quality California-grown bud to choose from.
All of it completely legal under California state law.


I got some hash oil to go with my bud. http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/9095/hashoilgh2.jpg
There were a couple kinds of hash for sale, but it was a little pricey,
so I passed on it this time.


http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1637/nun1uu8.gif
Oh, I'm sorry!

I forgot that you folks are stuck in those backward states
where pot and hash are still illegal.

I'll pray for you. That one day the state in which you live
will emerge from the dark ages.

And become truly free.

[imgonnaeaturlunch]

Betty's in a better mood now. http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/739/avatarpotbabyyy2.jpg
Just got back from the pot store.


Decisions, decisions. http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/4838/marijuanabud1na3.jpg
So many kinds of top-quality California-grown bud to choose from.
All of it completely legal under California state law.


I got some hash oil to go with my bud. http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/9095/hashoilgh2.jpg
There were a couple kinds of hash for sale, but it was a little pricey,
so I passed on it this time.


http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1637/nun1uu8.gif
Oh, I'm sorry!

I forgot that you folks are stuck in those backward states
where pot and hash are still illegal.

I'll pray for you. That one day the state in which you live
will emerge from the dark ages.

And become truly free.
If you're any example, no wonder you Cali clowns kicked out Davis n put in Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwnold. Hey, here's a great trivia question:Can you name all the plastic surgeries Awwwwwwwwwwnold has had?

[Betty Blowtorch]

If you're any example, no wonder you Cali clowns
kicked out Davis n put in Awwwwwwwwwwwnold.
It's odd and illogical that you repeated your same accusation
after I already pointed out that I didn't vote for Awnold and
I don't belong to the group of "Cali clowns" (i.e. Republicans)
who voted for him. I voted for Davis.

If you want to make the argument that Grey Davis was a
better governor than Awnold, you should provide specific
details about each man's accomplishments in office.



Hey, here's a great trivia question: Can you name all the
plastic surgeries Awwwwwwwwwwnold has had?
Your question hardly qualifies as political discourse, http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/7871/nun1se4.gif
but Betty is always in the market for some good gossip.

Pray tell, how many plastic surgeries has Awnold had?


Some of your comments seem rather "cryptic." http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9439/religionguye0md3.gif
Like this one: (http://dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=7267&postcount=65)



You like the GOP so much, move to Russia, where comminism
is experiencing a comebqack.
Betty is worried that you might be suffering from a chemical
deficiency that is adversely affecting the logic (and spelling)
centers of your brain.

Take one of these http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9458/avatarpotburningus2.gif
and call me in the morning.

By the way, which state do you live in?

[Betty Blowtorch]

Just in case you aren't familiar, allow me to introduce the other Betty:

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7593/bettybowersqf2.gif

AMERICA'S BEST CHRISTIAN (http://www.bettybowers.com/)

[imgonnaeaturlunch]

It's odd and illogical that you repeated your same accusation
after I already pointed out that I didn't vote for Awnold and
I don't belong to the group of "Cali clowns" (i.e. Republicans)
who voted for him. I voted for Davis.

If you want to make the argument that Grey Davis was a
better governor than Awnold, you should provide specific
details about each man's accomplishments in office.


Your question hardly qualifies as political discourse, http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/7871/nun1se4.gif
but Betty is always in the market for some good gossip.

Pray tell, how many plastic surgeries has Awnold had?


Some of your comments seem rather "cryptic." http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9439/religionguye0md3.gif
Like this one: (http://dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=7267&postcount=65)


Betty is worried that you might be suffering from a chemical
deficiency that is adversely affecting the logic (and spelling)
centers of your brain.

Take one of these http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9458/avatarpotburningus2.gif
and call me in the morning.

By the way, which state do you live in?
When I say "Cali clowns" I'm referring to the democrats who voted to kick out Davis & install that Austrian asshole & his turncoat Kennedy wife, OK? Davis was made to look bad by Enron cutting off Cali's electricity & those dumbasses in Cali fell for it. As far as as comparing the two, there is no comparison, Davis is much better than the " Austrian asshole".