Bill To Settle Palestinians Here Passes

[bridge buff]

I'll bet you didn't know this. I sure didn't. I found this shocking and frightening.
Maybe we really are going to be another Europe.


Subject: Fw: INTERNAL SECURITY UPDATE - YOUR GOVERNMENT

EVERYONE IN THE U. S. needs to know....

Something happened... H.R. 1388 was passed You
may want to read about it. It wasn't mentioned on the news... just went by
on the ticker tape at the bottom of the CNN screen.

Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the
USA. This is the news that didn't make the headlines...

By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of
$20.3 million in "migration assistance" to the Palestinian refugees and
"conflict victims" in Gaza.

The "presidential determination", which allows hundreds of thousands of
Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States, was signed
on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.
Few on Capitol Hill, or in the media, took note that the order provides a
free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have
displayed their overwhelming support to the Islamic Resistance Movement
(Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2
Now we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian
refuges to move to, and live in, the US at American taxpayer expense.
To verify this for yourself:
www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488

WE are losing this country
at a rapid pace.

[Zebulon0351]

WE are losing this country
at a rapid pace.

We started losing this country years ago. And there is a difference between a palestinian and Hamas... I find it funny that the people you support in our government are the very ones responsible for Hamas having control in Gaza in the first place.

[Bill Cosby]

I'll bet you didn't know this. I sure didn't. I found this shocking and frightening.
Maybe we really are going to be another Europe.


Subject: Fw: INTERNAL SECURITY UPDATE - YOUR GOVERNMENT

EVERYONE IN THE U. S. needs to know....

Something happened... H.R. 1388 was passed You
may want to read about it. It wasn't mentioned on the news... just went by
on the ticker tape at the bottom of the CNN screen.

Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the
USA. This is the news that didn't make the headlines...

By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of
$20.3 million in "migration assistance" to the Palestinian refugees and
"conflict victims" in Gaza.

The "presidential determination", which allows hundreds of thousands of
Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States, was signed
on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.
Few on Capitol Hill, or in the media, took note that the order provides a
free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have
displayed their overwhelming support to the Islamic Resistance Movement
(Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2
Now we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian
refuges to move to, and live in, the US at American taxpayer expense.
To verify this for yourself:
www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488

WE are losing this country
at a rapid pace.

Wow how scary... Go hide the white women.............

There are lots of "them" here already.... & you are still safe in your bed........

They voted for hamas??? In a dumbOcray voting for someone is not a crime & as far as I know hamas has done what to US????

Hamas was elected just like bush & Obama........
If those folks loved hamas so much I imagine they would be there helping rebuild something.......

Stop being so afraid... Start building bridges instead of trying to tear':melodramatic: them down...lol

[bridge buff]

Is there a difference between a Palestinian and a Muslim? Find out what the Muslims plan for the Infidels. I assume you two are not Muslims. Your responses are amazing. Look at Europe and their difficulties with their Muslim population. Look at Africa & Asia. You are too naive. I guess that's even scarier.

[Zebulon0351]

Is there a difference between a Palestinian and a Muslim? Find out what the Muslims plan for the Infidels. I assume you two are not Muslims. Your responses are amazing. Look at Europe and their difficulties with their Muslim population. Look at Africa & Asia. You are too naive. I guess that's even scarier.

What difficulties? Its not like London is getting blown up every day. Its not like there is a Jihadist movement going on in Paris.

By you grouping ALL muslims into the one category that you have shows how naive you are.

[bridge buff]

the common denominator is the Koran

[Bill Cosby]

the common denominator is the Koran

No the common denominator is ppl....... SPecificly hate filled ones...... There are a billion ppl in Islam that are not attacking you so stop the bs........

bush the lesser told you they hated us for our freedumb.. What did the "terroist" ppl say as the reason they hate the usa????

[SeniorChief]

No the common denominator is ppl....... SPecificly hate filled ones......

Like the Muslims who flew planes into buildings on 9/11? That kind of hate?

What a fucking terrorist-loving imbecile

[Bill Cosby]

Find out what the Muslims plan for the Infidels. .

So why don't you tell us what the Muslims plan is for us infidels....

When did "they" make this plan???

Who wrote it up???

Is all one billion + in on "the plan"..................???

This would be a good topic for a religion & or conspiracy theory forum.....

[Smurf-Herder]

Looking at this objectively, all I can say is, I sure hope they give everyone applying serious background checks.

I don't think everyone who voted for Hamas is a follower, because Fatah had serious corruption problems before the election. But, it would be less than prudent to not do complete security checks on all individuals, considering some who could be potential problems may try to get past the system. Afterall, elements of Hamas have connections to the IRGC; and Iran would love to have spies or sleeper cells in the country, who may be considered above suspicion.

[The Professor]

I'll bet you didn't know this. I sure didn't. I found this shocking and frightening.
Maybe we really are going to be another Europe.


Subject: Fw: INTERNAL SECURITY UPDATE - YOUR GOVERNMENT

EVERYONE IN THE U. S. needs to know....

Something happened... H.R. 1388 was passed You
may want to read about it. It wasn't mentioned on the news... just went by
on the ticker tape at the bottom of the CNN screen.

Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the
USA. This is the news that didn't make the headlines...

By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of
$20.3 million in "migration assistance" to the Palestinian refugees and
"conflict victims" in Gaza.

The "presidential determination", which allows hundreds of thousands of
Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States, was signed
on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.
Few on Capitol Hill, or in the media, took note that the order provides a
free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have
displayed their overwhelming support to the Islamic Resistance Movement
(Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2
Now we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian
refuges to move to, and live in, the US at American taxpayer expense.
To verify this for yourself:
www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488

WE are losing this country
at a rapid pace.

no, of course, i didn't know any of this, since no one had yet posted it on dcj

that is, if it weren't for free communication on internets...

well, don't count on msm to tell ya stuff

i don't know what's more astonishing

1. tens of thousands of immigrants from ANYWHERE

2. we're taking em cuz no one else will and they gotta go somewhere

3. they're not leaving they're homes cuz they're a bunch of interior decorators looking for new digs

4. we're putting em up on welfare

5. the media don't report it

i don't know which of the above is more surprising

actually, none is

i've seen everything before

each many times

thanks for the update, jpb

bad times here

worse coming

muslims have a birth rate 3 or 4 times faster than non muslims, in europe, specifically

france suffers great social and racial unrest over muslim disaffection

england is fast going the same way, as well

cliff

[Hog Trash]

And there is a difference between a palestinian and Hamas...Oh yea?...Well that's nice to hear!...Do you think maybe you could share this information so the rest of us can tell the difference?

[Bill Cosby]

Iran would love to have spies or sleeper cells in the country, who may be considered above suspicion.

Were did you get that info????

How many spys you think Uncle Sam has in Iran???

[Zebulon0351]

Oh yea?...Well that's nice to hear!...Do you think maybe you could share this information so the rest of us can tell the difference?

Sorry, Im not going to waste my time to disprove someone else's ignorance.

[Hog Trash]

Sorry, Im not going to waste my time to disprove someone else's ignorance.Is that a definate no or a maybe? :lmao2:

[GetAClue]

I'll bet you didn't know this. I sure didn't. I found this shocking and frightening.
Maybe we really are going to be another Europe.


Subject: Fw: INTERNAL SECURITY UPDATE - YOUR GOVERNMENT

EVERYONE IN THE U. S. needs to know....

Something happened... H.R. 1388 was passed You
may want to read about it. It wasn't mentioned on the news... just went by
on the ticker tape at the bottom of the CNN screen.

Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the
USA. This is the news that didn't make the headlines...

By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of
$20.3 million in "migration assistance" to the Palestinian refugees and
"conflict victims" in Gaza.

The "presidential determination", which allows hundreds of thousands of
Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States, was signed
on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.
Few on Capitol Hill, or in the media, took note that the order provides a
free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have
displayed their overwhelming support to the Islamic Resistance Movement
(Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2
Now we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian
refuges to move to, and live in, the US at American taxpayer expense.
To verify this for yourself:
www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488

WE are losing this country
at a rapid pace.

Translation: Future Obama voters.

[Zebulon0351]

Is that a definate no or a maybe? :lmao2:

No matter what I say in responce to you wanting me to "prove" that there is a difference between palestinians and Hamas, you will use your "politically correct" excuse to place them all into the category of "terrorist." So no matter what I say, and what facts I lay out to justify my statements, you will revert back to not being politically correct. And thus, calling all of them terrorists, and maybe in turn call me a "terrorist lover" as I have seen a few people in here do. I will save you the trouble:

I am sympathetic to the Palestinians situation That doesn't mean I support or agree with Hamas whatsoever, but if that makes me a terrorist lover or whatever other names or insults that are thrown out here, so be it.

Nothing I or anyone says will ever have a stronger influence than blind ignorance.

[Hog Trash]

No matter what I say in responce to you wanting me to "prove" that there is a difference between palestinians and Hamas, you will use your "politically correct" excuse to place them all into the category of "terrorist." So no matter what I say, and what facts I lay out to justify my statements, you will revert back to not being politically correct. And thus, calling all of them terrorists, and maybe in turn call me a "terrorist lover" as I have seen a few people in here do. I will save you the trouble:

I am sympathetic to the Palestinians situation That doesn't mean I support or agree with Hamas whatsoever, but if that makes me a terrorist lover or whatever other names or insults that are thrown out here, so be it.

Nothing I or anyone says will ever have a stronger influence than blind ignorance.No need to get defensive, I am simply trying to make a point by leading you down a path you have been forbidden to consider.

The point is we don't know who is and who ain't!...It's not stamped on their foreheads and their not going to admit it if they are.

First let it be known that Hog is a very simple man who believes people make things much more complicated than is necessary.

We would have two choices if we chose to go by Hog's simple logical solution...

[1] Run the best background check we possibly can and if we find nothing then we let them enter and hope we are right and also that at some point in the future they don't convert to radical jihadist...Of course by doing this we could be putting Americans in jeopardy, [I]but we would not be denying them their right to overide our safety by barring them from entry because of race or religious persuasion...[Political Correctness]

[2] We could deny all muslims and people of middle eastern decsent from entry into the United States untill all hostilities by these groups have come to an end...Of course we would be commiting the worst case of Political Incorrectness the world has ever witnessed but American property and lives would be much safer.

I suppose you might say it's a matter of priorities....Are Americans right to be safe in their own homes, workplaces, schools and nation in general more important than the rights of foreigners to enter our borders, who may or may not be terrorist?

I do not want a government that doesn't give a damn about anybody else in the world but I do want a government that puts me, my family and all other Americans first...For some strange reason liberals have a really hard time with this!....Go figure!

[Zebulon0351]

Our government has a long history of not looking after everyone's family and children. Don't think it is starting now.

[SeniorChief]

I am sympathetic to the Palestinians situation


Why?

They're not sympathetic to yours...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3u3rMIs5hw

[Zebulon0351]

Why?

They're not sympathetic to yours...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3u3rMIs5hw

Well, considering we fund Israel's illegal occupation, supply Israel's weapons, and bulldozers built by an American company tear down their houses, I don't blame them.

[SeniorChief]

Well, considering we fund Israel's illegal occupation, supply Israel's weapons, and bulldozers built by an American company tear down their houses, I don't blame them.

Israel's our ally. PLO/Hamas isn't.

I have been to Israel. You should go. They'd be grateful to talk with you, and the women are damned hot!

Try to get into the PAL zone. You wouldn't be received so warmly. Tell them you're there to sympathize for their cause.

[Zebulon0351]

Israel's our ally. PLO/Hamas isn't.

I have been to Israel. You should go. They'd be grateful to talk with you, and the women are damned hot!

Try to get into the PAL zone. You wouldn't be received so warmly. Tell them you're there to sympathize for their cause.

I've been to the Gaza strip before. We have family friends who run a palestinian reformation movement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabeel

Your first-hand knowledge doesn't mean much to me Senior Chief.

[SeniorChief]

Your first-hand knowledge doesn't mean much to me Senior Chief.

You can sympathize with the Palestinians on the Internet all day long friend. Been over there - done that. Many times. Why not log off and take a more recent visit?

You can freely fly into Haifa, Israel – you'd will think you’re in the USA. People speak English, life is civilized, friendly, democratic. Freedom everywhere!!

Then from Haifa, you can hire some scumbag to drive you into Palestine (at night of course), and witness a nice curfew with hood-wearing henchmen patrolling the streets with Russian assault rifles. Then, if your lucky enough not to end up with your skull on a stake by sunrise because you’re an Imperialist American who loves their cause and "feels" for them, you can head back into Israel and fly home.

Seriously. Airfares are cheap these days!

[SeniorChief]

And please don't take offense Zeb. By all means, if you're sympatethic to a cause, take a year off and go and support that cause - in person.

[The Professor]

whoa!

and while you're at it, you civilians need to, umm, like LAND both your cloud flyin feet on planet EARTH

this was an EXECUTIVE ORDER, people

remember, clinton, he practically invented it

The Prof aint no profeshunnal parliamentarian

but even HE realizes the distinction between act passed by presidential pen stroke

and legislation gone thru more RESPECTABLE means like, umm (to quote ms caroline), CONGRESS

obama moved this with his own lone overbusy, overspending, overgenerous LEFT hand

(obama is indeed left handed, and there really is something to what they say...)

so tineared bigeared obama, for whatever the hell POSSIBLE reason, decides with his own ivory garlanded LEFT hand

to allow, what, UP TO 100's of G's...

HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS

of anyone, who---

just WHO on planet earth would CONGRESS even

have the STUPIDITY to INVITE into a TRAILER PARK near you...

some bearded, mecca facing ODDBALL from where-the-hell-ever...

i mean, they can be as NICE as your mom...

but, seriously---

don't we have enough PROBLEMS over HERE?

it doesn't take MANY

just a FEW

remember?

just a small CELL

of em

ONE suicide bomb in a TIMES SQUARE pizza parlor

or the DOMINO'S DELIVERS in cheyenne, wyoming

with the SKIN HEADS, even

ONE domestic TERROR attack

ANYWHERE inside the United States borders

fuzzy and theoretical and abstract as our borders ARE

and obama bigears, as well as his SUPPORTERS, is gonna have BLOOD to ANSWER

HIS cloudy headedness, ie, AGENDA, is really starting to piss off The un-piss-off-able Prof

your EQUAL OBTUSENESS aint helping

LOL!

cliff

[Smurf-Herder]

Were did you get that info????

How many spys you think Uncle Sam has in Iran???

Info? On what, Hamas connections with Iran? - Google it.

And we should have spies in Iran. Or have you missed everything going on for the past 30 years?

[Hog Trash]

Well, considering we fund Israel's illegal occupation, supply Israel's weapons, and bulldozers built by an American company tear down their houses, I don't blame them.Do you have some attraction or special feeling for Palestinians?...Do you realize they consider you an infidel?

[Bill Cosby]

No need to get defensive, I am simply trying to make a point by leading you down a path you have been forbidden to consider.

The point is we don't know who is and who ain't!...It's not stamped on their foreheads and their not going to admit it if they are.

First let it be known that Hog is a very simple man who believes people make things much more complicated than is necessary.

We would have two choices if we chose to go by Hog's simple logical solution...

[1] Run the best background check we possibly can and if we find nothing then we let them enter and hope we are right and also that at some point in the future they don't convert to radical jihadist...Of course by doing this we could be putting Americans in jeopardy, [I]but we would not be denying them their right to overide our safety by barring them from entry because of race or religious persuasion...[Political Correctness]

[2] We could deny all muslims and people of middle eastern decsent from entry into the United States untill all hostilities by these groups have come to an end...Of course we would be commiting the worst case of Political Incorrectness the world has ever witnessed but American property and lives would be much safer.

I suppose you might say it's a matter of priorities....Are Americans right to be safe in their own homes, workplaces, schools and nation in general more important than the rights of foreigners to enter our borders, who may or may not be terrorist?

I do not want a government that doesn't give a damn about anybody else in the world but I do want a government that puts me, my family and all other Americans first...For some strange reason liberals have a really hard time with this!....Go figure!

I do not want a government that doesn't give a damn about anybody else in the world but I do want a government that puts me, my family and all other Americans first...


I agree we should be about us not some other place........ :thumbsup:

[2] We could deny all muslims and people of middle eastern decsent from entry into the United States untill all hostilities by these groups have come to an end...Of course we would be commiting the worst case of Political Incorrectness the world has ever witnessed but American property and lives would be much safer.

Does this include Lebonese Christians???

I guess you know your idea is nuts...... There are lots of these ppl here alread... As I said..........

I understand some of you folks are scared but do your background checks & make yourself feel better.............

Why not lay out the criteria...

[Bill Cosby]

Info? On what, Hamas connections with Iran? - Google it.

And we should have spies in Iran. Or have you missed everything going on for the past 30 years?
:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

You make the statments & I gotta go goggle them to prove them.......... :lmao2:

[bridge buff]

Muslims do not question the Koran. The Koran has only one way to deal with the Infidel, either don't or destroy or wait for Allah to handle it. The methods used by Allah are described in detail. Many pages are devoted to torture. Mohammad (the messenger or Al-Mustafa) was not a an admirable person. He was a brutal warrior. His number of wives etc are unknown. You absolutely cannot compare the Bible with the Koran. Islam is a religion of hate

[SeniorChief]

You absolutely cannot compare the Bible with the Koran. Islam is a religion of hate

Bill - stand by for terrorist lovers to flame/attack you for saying this....

[GetAClue]

Well, considering we fund Israel's illegal occupation, supply Israel's weapons, and bulldozers built by an American company tear down their houses, I don't blame them.

I would guess that had the Palestinians not fired illegal rockets into Israel and not illegally sent in suicide bombers to kill innocent Israelis, Israel would not be in Gaza. But sometimes the Palestinian sympathizers tend to forget that part of the equation.

[Hog Trash]

I agree we should be about us not some other place........ :thumbsup:No you don't, because if you did you would agree with # 2... Does this include Lebonese Christians???All middle easterns with the exception of jews....They are no threat.

Any middle eastern could claim to be christian....Why take unnecessary chances with the safety of American lives?!
I guess you know your idea is nuts...... There are lots of these ppl here alread... As I said.......... The ones who are already citizens would remain in America, the rest would be deported to their point of origin...No exceptions...Zero...Nada...None...I understand some of you folks are scared but do your background checks & make yourself feel better.............

Why not lay out the criteria... I did lay out the criteria, but one more time because I'm aware how slow liberals are.

[2] "We could deny all muslims and people of middle eastern decsent from entry into the United States untill all hostilities by these groups have come to an end..."

This has nothing to do with fear, it has to do with safety and common sense!

Are seatbelts an act of fear or a precaution?...Liberals are not intelligent enough to dictate policy.

*

[Zebulon0351]

I would guess that had the Palestinians not fired illegal rockets into Israel and not illegally sent in suicide bombers to kill innocent Israelis, Israel would not be in Gaza. But sometimes the Palestinian sympathizers tend to forget that part of the equation.

The Jews were given Israel after World War II, and ever since then they have been claiming territory that never belonged to them from the start.
If Israel had not continued to run the Palestinians off of their land that was always theirs to begin with, they wouldn't be firing rockets or sending in suicide bombers either.

What came first? The chicken or the egg? Both sides are to blame in this situation. I don't agree with the methods of which Hamas carries out their agenda, but neither do I agree with Israel occupying land that wasn't theirs to begin with.

I look at things from an objective standpoint, and ignore the biases shown to me by my government and media.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/politics-other-controversies/38816d1238340882-u-s-calls-israeli-settlement-building-israel-palestine-map.jpg

[Hog Trash]

The Jews were given Israel after World War II, and ever since then they have been claiming territory that never belonged to them from the start.
If Israel had not continued to run the Palestinians off of their land that was always theirs to begin with, they wouldn't be firing rockets or sending in suicide bombers either.

What came first? The chicken or the egg? Both sides are to blame in this situation. I don't agree with the methods of which Hamas carries out their agenda, but neither do I agree with Israel occupying land that wasn't theirs to begin with.

I look at things from an objective standpoint, and ignore the biases shown to me by my government and media.
So what?!....I don't mean that in a smart-ass way, but really...So what?!

Land acquisition has been going on since humans arrived on the plant....Not so much any more maybe.

Didn't China claim Nepal, by force of course....Didn't Iraq attempt to annex Kuwait, by force of course.

Normally America wouldn't get involved and normally I wouldn't support them if they did.

But at this point in history America is dependent on oil from the mid-eastern region and we need a local allie.

The world is much more civilized than it was a thousand years ago, a hundred years ago, even fifty years ago.

Mankind is improving every generation and someday the world will be the beautiful peaceful paradise you desire.

So again I ask, So what?!...You should fear what is happening inside your borders to your people and your nation.

Stop worrying so much about the world and worry about the huge controling monster, our government is becoming.

[SeniorChief]

Land acquisition has been going on since humans arrived on the plant....Not so much any more maybe.

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/AmericanIndianTribeMap.jpg

[Zebulon0351]

So what?!....I don't mean that in a smart-ass way, but really...So what?!

Land acquisition has been going on since humans arrived on the plant....Not so much any more maybe.

Didn't China claim Nepal, by force of course....Didn't Iraq attempt to annex Kuwait, by force of course.

Normally America wouldn't get involved and normally I wouldn't support them if they did.

But at this point in history America is dependent on oil from the mid-eastern region and we need a local allie.

The world is much more civilized than it was a thousand years ago, a hundred years ago, even fifty years ago.

Mankind is improving every generation and someday the world will be the beautiful peaceful paradise you desire.

So again I ask, So what?!...You should fear what is happening inside your borders to your people and your nation.

Stop worrying so much about the world and worry about the huge controling monster, our government is becoming.

As long as you acknowledge that Israel is taking Palestinian land by force, I guess we will have to stop agreeing there. But where I am a bit confused though, is it seems as if you are leaning on our country's need for oil as an excuse to not give a shit about the people in Palestine?

So what if Israel is bulldozing houses and olive groves owned by peaceful Palestinians?

So what if Israel still tops the United States' foreign aid budget at over 2 billion dollars a year?

So what if, up until very recently, the United States cut aid to the Palestinians after the election of Hamas?

So what if we allow Israel to go into Palestine with weapons and equipment either donated from the US or bought with money from the US?

Don't you understand that our unconditional support to Israel, and our history of isolating those in Palestine is one of the main contributing factors to the face of neo-terrorism?

But so what? We need the oil.. and the Jews run our country.. we don't want to lose their support.

[The Professor]

some of you folks really need to land, fluttering those funny flappers all over dcj, making fools of yourselves

ie, study your history

the trouble is israel keeps getting sneak attacked by masses of enemies

solution is, she always wins

1948, attacked by pan arab coalition including egypt, syria, jordan, lebanon, iraq, saudi arabia and yemen, the israelis defeated them all

1967---SIX DAY WAR---sneak attack by syria, egypt and jordan defeated by the marvelous israeli air force, perhaps the best in the world, this is when gaza, the west bank and the golan heights were occupied as terrorist enemies continually launched attacks from these trouble spots, targeting routinely jewish women and children

1973---YOM KIPPUR WAR---sneak attack on israel's holiest Day of Atonement caught the jews sleeping a bit, they were on the defensive for a few days, but then as always they turned from defense to offense and started to kick butt and even crossed the suez canal on their way to cairo

the point---israel occupies those lands for the same reason barak bigears is gonna end up having to occupy islamabad...

you'll see

cliff

[Hog Trash]

As long as you acknowledge that Israel is taking Palestinian land by force, I guess we will have to stop agreeing there. But where I am a bit confused though, is it seems as if you are leaning on our country's need for oil as an excuse to not give a shit about the people in Palestine?

So what if Israel is bulldozing houses and olive groves owned by peaceful Palestinians?

So what if Israel still tops the United States' foreign aid budget at over 2 billion dollars a year?

So what if, up until very recently, the United States cut aid to the Palestinians after the election of Hamas?

So what if we allow Israel to go into Palestine with weapons and equipment either donated from the US or bought with money from the US?

Don't you understand that our unconditional support to Israel, and our history of isolating those in Palestine is one of the main contributing factors to the face of neo-terrorism?

But so what? We need the oil.. and the Jews run our country.. we don't want to lose their support.America is trying to survive....Everybody knows you hafta break a few eggs to make an omelet.

The one and only thing I have a problem with on your list is the word "neo-terrorism"....It sounds so liberal! :doh: Did you pick that up in college?

[Hog Trash]

The Jews were given Israel after World War II, Not quite Zeb...Actually Israel was given back to the Jews after WWII...Check both the Old and New Testement for confirmation.

[Bill Cosby]

No you don't, because if you did you would agree with # 2... All middle easterns with the exception of jews....They are no threat.

Any middle eastern could claim to be christian....Why take unnecessary chances with the safety of American lives?!
The ones who are already citizens would remain in America, the rest would be deported to their point of origin...No exceptions...Zero...Nada...None...I did lay out the criteria, but one more time because I'm aware how slow liberals are.

[2] "We could deny all muslims and people of middle eastern decsent from entry into the United States untill all hostilities by these groups have come to an end..."

This has nothing to do with fear, it has to do with safety and common sense!

Are seatbelts an act of fear or a precaution?...Liberals are not intelligent enough to dictate policy.

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Well it is good for this country ppl like you have no power........ Just alligator mouths & parakeet asses........

It is all really straight up ignorance & I don’t know why you even bothered to repeat it… I am not reading all that garbage & most folks here just past your shit right by anyways…..

Good point- in this country son no one is smart enough to just dictate. That is why we have laws & a gov etc. etc.etc…… You would be more @ home in one of them dictatorships……..

[Hog Trash]

Well it is good for this country ppl like you have no power........ Just alligator mouths & parakeet asses........

It is all really straight up ignorance & I don’t know why you even bothered to repeat it… I am not reading all that garbage & most folks here just past your shit right by anyways…..

Good point- in this country son no one is smart enough to just dictate. That is why we have laws & a gov etc. etc.etc…… You would be more @ home in one of them dictatorships……..
I have no idea how you figure what I said is bad for this country or Americans who live here.

The concept of putting America and Americans first, really fucks a liberals mind up for some strange reason.

[Smurf-Herder]

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

You make the statments & I gotta go goggle them to prove them.......... :lmao2:

I just hate wasting my time going back and looking up stuff I've already talked about months and years ago; that most people are already aware of.

Seizing of the Palestinian weapons ship Karine A
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Communiques/2002/Seizing%20of%20the%20Palestinian%20weapons%20ship% 20Karine%20A%20-

Hamas wages Iran’s proxy war on Israel
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3512014.ece

'Iran smuggling arms into Gaza by sea'
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1208422633228

Palestinian group Hamas admits that its fighters are trained in Iran
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3512018.ece

Iranian Weapons Ship Sunk near Sudan
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131041

'sudan Strike Told Hamas, Iran: Your Smuggling Route Is Exposed'
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/68806/-sudan-strike-told-hamas-iran-your-smuggling-route-is-exposed-.html

Cairo bars Iran ship with arms for Gaza
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24971772-26397,00.html

Iran funding terrorism, says Hillary
http://www.hindu.com/2009/03/06/stories/2009030662141900.htm

U.S. Navy ordered to release Iran weapons ship
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2009/ss_iran0071_01_26.asp

[Bill Cosby]

I just hate wasting my time going back and looking up stuff I've already talked about months and years ago; that most people are already aware of.

Seizing of the Palestinian weapons ship Karine A
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Communiques/2002/Seizing%20of%20the%20Palestinian%20weapons%20ship% 20Karine%20A%20-

Hamas wages Iran’s proxy war on Israel
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3512014.ece

'Iran smuggling arms into Gaza by sea'
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1208422633228

Palestinian group Hamas admits that its fighters are trained in Iran
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3512018.ece

Iranian Weapons Ship Sunk near Sudan
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131041

'sudan Strike Told Hamas, Iran: Your Smuggling Route Is Exposed'
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/68806/-sudan-strike-told-hamas-iran-your-smuggling-route-is-exposed-.html

Cairo bars Iran ship with arms for Gaza
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24971772-26397,00.html

Iran funding terrorism, says Hillary
http://www.hindu.com/2009/03/06/stories/2009030662141900.htm

U.S. Navy ordered to release Iran weapons ship
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2009/ss_iran0071_01_26.asp


& all that proves what?????????????????????

nothing........................

You can play along w/ the demonization & pay for it all you like.............

[Smurf-Herder]

& all that proves what?????????????????????

nothing........................

You can play along w/ the demonization & pay for it all you like.............

I think I've provided enough diverse sources to make my case.

If you can't stand back and look at this objectively, then don't bother to ask me to waste my time to try and prove something you're unwilling to accept.

[Bill Cosby]

I think I've provided enough diverse sources to make my case.

If you can't stand back and look at this objectively, then don't bother to ask me to waste my time to try and prove something you're unwilling to accept.

Did you think I was gonna change my mind by that????

This is a topic I have been discussing for years........

It could use a forum-@ least a thread all for the topic...........

[Smurf-Herder]

Did you think I was gonna change my mind by that????

This is a topic I have been discussing for years........

It could use a forum-@ least a thread all for the topic...........


I was hoping you had an open mind.

[Zebulon0351]

America is trying to survive....Everybody knows you hafta break a few eggs to make an omelet.

The one and only thing I have a problem with on your list is the word "neo-terrorism"....It sounds so liberal! :doh: Did you pick that up in college?

Sorry hog, an education does a lot more good than sitting on your ass and getting your information from fox news and internet boards.

[Zebulon0351]

I was hoping you had an open mind.

An open mind would be realizing the problem is Hamas... not the Palestinians.
And George Bush is responsible for Hamas being in power in Palestine in the first place. It was a pare of his plan to "Spread the influence of democracy" remember?

[GetAClue]

An open mind would be realizing the problem is Hamas... not the Palestinians.
And George Bush is responsible for Hamas being in power in Palestine in the first place. It was a pare of his plan to "Spread the influence of democracy" remember?

Yet another blame Bush for everything response. I'm sure he rigged the election so that Hamas would win. It was a conspiracy.

[Zebulon0351]

Yet another blame Bush for everything response. I'm sure he rigged the election so that Hamas would win. It was a conspiracy.

I never said that. But he helped put the things in place to set up the elections, and when the party won that he did not want to win, all of a sudden they were put on the "Axis of Evil"

Proof that democracy in every society doesn't work .

[GetAClue]

I never said that.


Excuse me? Yes you did.


And George Bush is responsible for Hamas being in power in Palestine in the first place. It was a pare of his plan to "Spread the influence of democracy" remember?




But he helped put the things in place to set up the elections, and when the party won that he did not want to win, all of a sudden they were put on the "Axis of Evil"


Let me see. Electing a terrorist organization to run your government. Should they have been in the "Axis of all that is good"?


Proof that democracy in every society doesn't work .


I would disagree with. One of the tenets of democracy is that people will get the government they deserve. Sure seems to fit the bill here.

[ROdger Right]

What government has ever lasted forever they all fail.

Here in what was once a republic we know that government is evil but a necessary evil. Well those who know a little of history do anyways.

Centralized power has always been the destructive force that topples free societies such as ours.

[Bill Cosby]

I was hoping you had an open mind.

I have not been here all that long but I think you know me well enough..... I am not closed minded on this issue @ all........ As I said I have discussed it many times & enjoy doing so.........

If the Irish & Portugese go to war I will measure them by one standard.... Same goes for these ppl.........

I really think a thread should be started on a specific topic/issue related to it so we could give it justice..........

Iran hamas pissballah........ There are two sides to every issue........

[Smurf-Herder]

An open mind would be realizing the problem is Hamas... not the Palestinians.
And George Bush is responsible for Hamas being in power in Palestine in the first place. It was a pare of his plan to "Spread the influence of democracy" remember?

Well George Bush fucked up.

But I'm not saying all Palestinians are evil either. Just the dedicated jihadist/terrorist die-hard Hamas people. Not the man-in-the-street who had to make a choice at the polls.

[ROdger Right]

If Palestians put hamas in power how dont we make the connection between a few evil muslims and a population full of them.

[Smurf-Herder]

If Palestians put hamas in power how dont we make the connection between a few evil muslims and a population full of them.


To some it was a question of immediate priorities. The Palestinians are a poor people. Hamas got involved in local community projects and social programs; as well as buying weapons to fight Israel. Fatah under Arafat was taking all the aid they received and hiding it away in Swiss bank accounts, and buying weapons to fight Israel. They didn't differentiate between Fatah under Arafat and Fatah under Abbas, after years of poverty. They only thought of the "community organizers" they saw in Hamas.

[Bill Cosby]

If Palestians put hamas in power how dont we make the connection between a few evil muslims and a population full of them.

Lets see how this works out @ home...

They voted for that evil Obama so................ They are an evil population........

They voted for that evil bush so................ They are an evil population........


They voted for that evil regan so................ They are an evil population........


They voted for that evil carter so................ They are an evil population........


You wanna apply it to them, apply it @ home first..............:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[ROdger Right]

When did we start strapping bombs on people to kill other people?

Anyways i didnt say all i said they were full of them. Differance meaning 3-10 approximation

compared to 1-10

[Bill Cosby]

When did we start strapping bombs on people to kill other people?

Anyways i didnt say all i said they were full of them. Differance meaning 3-10 approximation

compared to 1-10

That is the poor mans weapon~ we are not the poor man. We can afford to kill w/ bombs, rockets & such........ Which some ppl consider ok---- I am not one of them............

http://www.murdoconline.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/war_is_terrorism_with_a_bigger_budget.jpg

[ROdger Right]

How can you fight a war and not get slaughtered. I mean what standards do we have know that we didnt have when indians were our enemies.

Dont give me this bull shit.

It wouldnt matter what we fought these people if we intended to win we will.
If you wanna act like a bitch they will treat you like one and take full advantage of your bull shit paperwork like they did in Pakistan

[Bill Cosby]

Just like in wackistan.......... Well thus far they did what???

Keep in mind that many of them are citizens of that british clusterfuck, & not by choice.........

You are the one running it, not me........ You are talking about these ppl attacking us........ WTF- wake up here.>>> We are in their country not them in ours........ How many Afgani's were on those planes??? Or IraQi??? Fucking none.... The two countries where most of the are from are still our boyZ......

Keep that in mind son....... Just like if they were here swaggering their asses on the main street of your hometown..........

[ROdger Right]

Comeo on dude you know we arent going to invade saudis I shouldnt have to explain why. But really it is of our choosing and since most of the governments in the mid east had to denounce it because they knew we were coming back in the neighborhood.

We had to make an example and as long as obama doesnt slack we are doing the right thing.
As if all politicians dont lie, obama throwing a stimlus and a bull shit budget up in the air. I mean it may cost less American lives but it will cost people thier way of life none the less.

Bush secured oil for America, his family is an oil family aint anyone denying that.

True we are over there and we attack houses at night also but atleast its not because of religion. They thrist for blood and we make sure they find thiers. Theyve been through alot of wars int he past 50-60 years and id say we are by far the best theyve had to deal with.

[Bill Cosby]

Comeo on dude you know we arent going to invade saudis I shouldnt have to explain why. But really it is of our choosing and since most of the governments in the mid east had to denounce it because they knew we were coming back in the neighborhood.

We had to make an example and as long as obama doesnt slack we are doing the right thing.
As if all politicians dont lie, obama throwing a stimlus and a bull shit budget up in the air. I mean it may cost less American lives but it will cost people thier way of life none the less.

Bush secured oil for America, his family is an oil family aint anyone denying that.

True we are over there and we attack houses at night also but atleast its not because of religion. They thrist for blood and we make sure they find thiers. Theyve been through alot of wars int he past 50-60 years and id say we are by far the best theyve had to deal with.

Comeo on dude you know we arent going to invade saudis I shouldnt have to explain why.

No son you don't need to explain why..... You got enough trouble explaining yourself.............

We had to make an example and as long as obama doesnt slack we are doing the right thing.

So ruining another nation is the right thing to do & you hope Obama keeps it up........:banghead: I think & hope that will not happen......
True we are over there and we attack houses at night also but atleast its not because of religion
Yea doing that for oil is so much more noble & moral..... (PUKE SMILEY HERE)

[ROdger Right]

No son you don't need to explain why..... You got enough trouble explaining yourself.............



So ruining another nation is the right thing to do & you hope Obama keeps it up........:banghead: I think & hope that will not happen......

Yea doing that for oil is so much more noble & moral..... (PUKE SMILEY HERE)

Shit atleast ruining countries elsewhere means it gave us a break from destroying our country here. Anyways should you be crying aboutt hw all the civil rights the woman have over there anyways.

Oil and freedom, if you have oil we'll supply the freedom:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[Bill Cosby]

Shit atleast ruining countries elsewhere means it gave us a break from destroying our country here. Anyways should you be crying aboutt hw all the civil rights the woman have over there anyways.

Oil and freedom, if you have oil we'll supply the freedom:lmao2: :lmao2:

Shit atleast ruining countries elsewhere means it gave us a break from destroying our country here. :lmao2: :lmao2:

LOL. You may have a point there....LOL

The womens rights there?? Why is that my problem?? What about the womens right here or Africa or Burma???

I can not change their culture to suit me...... Nor should we attempt to do so......

Oil and freedom, if you have oil we'll supply the freedom

Your on a roll today......lol Great line.......

[Smurf-Herder]

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The womens rights there?? Why is that my problem?? What about the womens right here or Africa or Burma???

I can not change their culture to suit me...... Nor should we attempt to do so......



Bill, isn't that being somewhat hypocritical?

You care about human rights, apparently; but not about anything if the US isn't at fault? Am I reading you right on this. That your only concern is what the US does and fuck the rest of the world?

[Bill Cosby]

Bill, isn't that being somewhat hypocritical?

You care about human rights, apparently; but not about anything if the US isn't at fault? Am I reading you right on this. That your only concern is what the US does and fuck the rest of the world?

Not saying that @ all..........

I am stating the obvious.. We can not fix everyone else's problems= make them like us....

They don't wanna be like us & IMHO we have no right to try & force them to be like us........ In the end that will not happen 99% of the time........

Their change must come from w/in not from w/out.......... That works for us & for them.......... ;)

[Smurf-Herder]

Not saying that @ all..........

I am stating the obvious.. We can not fix everyone else's problems= make them like us....

They don't wanna be like us & IMHO we have no right to try & force them to be like us........ In the end that will not happen 99% of the time........

Their change must come from w/in not from w/out.......... That works for us & for them.......... ;)

That's counter to even what the UN says concerning human rights issues. And ignores the fact that many countries have citizens oppressed by their own totalitarian governments - unable to effect change from within, alone.