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SeedyROM
05-01-2009, 04:23 AM
This will hurt a lot of families, all thanks to Obama and TurboTax Geithner. Email your family and friends because some will never learn of this or forget at tax time. Unfortunately some will forget and it could end up costing them far more if an audit is triggered.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/INSIDE-WASHINGTON-Rude-apf-15091434.html?.v=1
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Millions of Americans enjoying their small windfall from President Barack Obama's "Making Work Pay" tax credit are in for an unpleasant surprise next spring.

The government is going to want some of that money back.

The tax credit is supposed to provide up to $400 to individuals and $800 to married couples as part of the massive economic recovery package enacted in February. Most workers started receiving the credit through small increases in their paychecks in the past month.

But new tax withholding tables issued by the IRS could cause millions of taxpayers to get hundreds of dollars more than they are entitled to under the credit, money that will have to be repaid at tax time.

At-risk taxpayers include a broad swath of the public: married couples in which both spouses work; workers with more than one job; retirees who have federal income taxes withheld from their pension payments and Social Security recipients with jobs that provide taxable income.

The Internal Revenue Service acknowledges problems with the withholding tables but has done little to warn average taxpayers.

"They need to get the Goodyear blimp out there on this," said Tom Ochsenschlager, vice president of taxation for the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants.

For many, the new tax tables will simply mean smaller-than-expected tax refunds next year, IRS spokesman Terry Lemons said. The average refund was nearly $2,700 this year.

But taxpayers who calculate their withholding so they get only small refunds could face an unwelcome tax bill next April, said Jackie Perlman, an analyst with the Tax Institute at H&R Block.

"They are going to get a surprise," she said.

Perlman's advice: check your federal withholding to make sure sufficient taxes are being taken out of your pay. If you are married and both spouses work, you might consider having taxes withheld at the higher rate for single filers. If you have multiple jobs, you might consider having extra taxes withheld by one of your employers. You can make that request with a Form W-4.

The IRS has a calculator on its Web site to help taxpayers figure withholding. So do many private tax preparers.

Obama has touted the tax credit as one of the big achievements of his first 100 days in office, boasting that 95 percent of working families will qualify in 2009 and 2010.

The credit pays workers 6.2 percent of their earned income, up to a maximum of $400 for individuals and $800 for married couples who file jointly. Individuals making more $95,000 and couples making more than $190,000 are ineligible.

The tax credit was designed to help boost the economy by getting more money to consumers in their regular paychecks. Employers were required to start using the new withholding tables by April 1.

The tables, however, don't take into account several common categories of taxpayers, experts said.

For example:

--A single worker with two jobs making $20,000 a year at each job will get a $400 boost in take-home pay at each of them, for a total of $800. That worker, however, is eligible for a maximum credit of $400, so the remaining $400 will have to be paid back at tax time -- either through a smaller refund or a payment to the IRS.

The IRS recognized there could be a similar problem for married couples if both spouses work, so it adjusted the withholding tables. The fix, however, was imperfect.

-- A married couple with a combined income of $50,000 is eligible for an $800 credit. However, if both spouses work and make more than $13,000, the new withholding tables give them each a $600 boost -- for a total of $1,200.

There were 33 million married couples in 2008 in which both spouses worked. That's 55 percent of all married couples, according to the Census Bureau.

-- A single college student with a part-time job making $10,000 would get a $400 boost in pay. However, if that student is claimed as a dependent on a parent's tax return, she doesn't qualify for the credit and would have to repay it when she files next year.

Some retirees face even bigger headaches.

The Social Security Administration is sending out $250 payments to more than 50 million retirees in May as part of the economic stimulus package. The payments will go to people who receive Social Security, Supplemental Security Income, railroad retirement benefits or veteran's disability benefits.

The payments are meant to provide a boost for people who don't qualify for the tax credit. However, they will go to retirees even if they have earned income and receive the credit. Those retirees will have the $250 payment deducted from their tax credit -- but not until they file their tax returns next year, long after the money may have been spent.

Retirees who have federal income taxes withheld from pension benefits also are getting an income boost as a result of the new withholding tables. However, pension benefits are not earned income, so they don't qualify for the tax credit. That money will have to paid back next year when tax returns are filed.

More than 20 million retirees and survivors receive payments from defined benefit pension plans, according to the Employee Benefit Research Institute. However, it is unclear how many have federal taxes withheld from their payments.

The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees union raised concerns about the effect of the tax credit on pension payments in a letter to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner in March.

Geithner responded that Treasury and IRS understood the concerns and were "exploring ways to mitigate that effect."

Rep. Dave Camp of Michigan, the top Republican on the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, said Geithner has yet to respond to concerns raised by committee members.

"So far we've got the, 'If we don't address this maybe it will go away' approach," Camp said.

IRS withholding calculator:

http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id96196,00.html

Cat slave
05-01-2009, 12:01 PM
Everyone had better save their pittances so they can send it all back.

GetAClue
05-01-2009, 01:56 PM
I have warned those in this forum about this a few times within the last couple of months. Glad to see that a so called journalist has finally written about this.

WmbgJunkie
05-02-2009, 01:21 PM
I've received three governmental mailings on this, all with recommendations to increase withholding if necessary. It's not complicated and those who don't plan properly will have only themselves to blame. It's no secret but trying to treat it as one is silly partisanship.

Binky
05-02-2009, 02:48 PM
Everyone had better save their pittances so they can send it all back.



Why even bother giving it out to us to begin with if we're having to send it back?

GetAClue
05-04-2009, 03:16 PM
Why even bother giving it out to us to begin with if we're having to send it back?

It is called "vote buying". Obama and Pelosi know that most of their supporters have the attention span of a fly. They know that those people will see the take home amount in their paychecks increase think they received a tax cut. Then come April, Obama and Pelosi can claim ignorance when those same voters see that they need to re-pay Uncle Sam. They’ll probably claim that they inherited it from the previous administration.

SeedyROM
05-08-2009, 06:38 PM
It is called "vote buying". Obama and Pelosi know that most of their supporters have the attention span of a fly. They know that those people will see the take home amount in their paychecks increase think they received a tax cut. Then come April, Obama and Pelosi can claim ignorance when those same voters see that they need to re-pay Uncle Sam. They’ll probably claim that they inherited it from the previous administration.

I call it a fake tax break. They knew the game plan before Obama cut taxes, this part of the deal was kept a secret.

Smurf-Herder
05-08-2009, 07:49 PM
I thought you libs on the board said this bullshit tax scam was supposed to pay for our increased energy costs because of the Cap & Trade scam?

:punchballs:

bairdi
05-08-2009, 08:16 PM
I thought you libs on the board said this bullshit tax scam was supposed to pay for our increased energy costs because of the Cap & Trade scam?

:punchballs:
I posted my reply the first time this article was posted.

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=9025

What is there to defend? Some psycho rantings by you morons that Obama and the IRS are going to "re-nig" on the tax credit because someone doesn't have enough withheld from his paycheck and has to pay the difference? You people are nuts. I sent in a check to the IRS for an additional $1,600 for the tax year 2008. Does that mean that Bush "re-nigged" on his tax cut because I didn't have enough tax withheld?

If you fall within the brackets that are receiving a tax cut, then you will pay less in taxes this year than last. That's a fact jack.

Smurf-Herder
05-08-2009, 08:36 PM
Bush's tax cut was a real tax cut. Not a bait and switch.

I got a $450 refund. Virtually the same as last year, in addition to an extra $13 a week in take home pay since last year. Not to mention my $600 stimulus check last year.

All Obama is doing, is playing fast and loose with the numbers.

bairdi
05-08-2009, 09:42 PM
Bush's tax cut was a real tax cut. Not a bait and switch.

I got a $450 refund. Virtually the same as last year, in addition to an extra $13 a week in take home pay since last year. Not to mention my $600 stimulus check last year.

All Obama is doing, is playing fast and loose with the numbers.
There is nothing bait and switch about it. Your rate is lower and you are going to pay less in taxes this year than you did last.

doctordog
05-08-2009, 10:21 PM
There is nothing bait and switch about it. You rate is lower and you are going to pay less in taxes this year than you did last.

Not with the new tax tables, if you changed your withholding, you would be smart to change it back.

Smurf-Herder
05-09-2009, 10:24 AM
There is nothing bait and switch about it. Your rate is lower and you are going to pay less in taxes this year than you did last.

All I know is, I'm only seeing what appears to be a $3 difference in take home pay, in a twice a month paycheck from last year.

bairdi
05-09-2009, 10:41 AM
All I know is, I'm only seeing what appears to be a $3 difference in take home pay, in a twice a month paycheck from last year.
That's probably because you are in a low tax bracket. If you payed taxes last year, you are going to pay less this year. I guess it is all in your philosophy. What is the better course of action to take? Give 100 million people an extra $3, $20, or $70 more per pay or give 1 million people an extra $300, $2,000 or $7000 per pay?

Smurf-Herder
05-09-2009, 11:29 AM
That's probably because you are in a low tax bracket. If you payed taxes last year, you are going to pay less this year. I guess it is all in your philosophy. What is the better course of action to take? Give 100 million people an extra $3, $20, or $70 more per pay or give 1 million people an extra $300, $2,000 or $7000 per pay?

Well, if this is correct and what you say are correct, then I'm only getting another $150 this year. The lower end was supposed to be $400.

All the extra tax break does is buy me a free coffee a week. It doesn't do anything to actually do what it's supposed to be portrayed as. It doesn't even keep up with inflation. I'm spending ten times the "tax break" in the increased cost of cigarettes. It doesn't even cover the price increase in a month's worth of Rigatoni.

It's bullshit!

Cat slave
05-09-2009, 12:55 PM
Nobody better spend any of the manna from Heaven....the messiah is going to
take it back. Open a separate account, put the pittance in it and you will be
prepared for next year. Maybe we should send back our pittance in pennies
to the WH.:lmao2: Seriously!:thumbsup:

Smurf-Herder
05-09-2009, 02:06 PM
Nobody better spend any of the manna from Heaven....the messiah is going to
take it back. Open a separate account, put the pittance in it and you will be
prepared for next year. Maybe we should send back our pittance in pennies
to the WH.:lmao2: Seriously!:thumbsup:

Unfortunately, it would cost far more in postage than the pennies are worth.

SeedyROM
05-12-2009, 06:17 PM
Well, if this is correct and what you say are correct, then I'm only getting another $150 this year. The lower end was supposed to be $400.

All the extra tax break does is buy me a free coffee a week. It doesn't do anything to actually do what it's supposed to be portrayed as. It doesn't even keep up with inflation. I'm spending ten times the "tax break" in the increased cost of cigarettes. It doesn't even cover the price increase in a month's worth of Rigatoni.

It's bullshit!

Obama will get back the $150 when he taxes your healthcare benefits and Baird will make more excuses for a bait and switch game he doesn't care to admit is happening to millions.

How much do you pay for a carton of Cigs? I was in NYC last week, a carton was $84 for Marboro's. I don't smoke, if I did I'd prefer to grow my own or buy from Indian tribes.

Smurf-Herder
05-12-2009, 07:28 PM
Obama will get back the $150 when he taxes your healthcare benefits and Baird will make more excuses for a bait and switch game he doesn't care to admit is happening to millions.

How much do you pay for a carton of Cigs? I was in NYC last week, a carton was $84 for Marboro's. I don't smoke, if I did I'd prefer to grow my own or buy from Indian tribes.

Doral Light 100s were like $27 ... last time I got a carton a month ago.

But I really smoke Merit Light 100s - and I think they're around $42 or so. But I haven't been buying them lately because of the price.

Moby
05-12-2009, 08:34 PM
I thought you libs on the board said this bullshit tax scam was supposed to pay for our increased energy costs because of the Cap & Trade scam?

:punchballs:
Really? Where?

Was it a bunch of libs, one or just another bull shit line coming from Beck?

Moby
05-12-2009, 08:35 PM
Shouldn't people be responsible enough to enough the tax laws?

ROdger Right
05-12-2009, 08:37 PM
Please edit above post

or dont but then what???

Smurf-Herder
05-12-2009, 10:39 PM
Really? Where?

Was it a bunch of libs, one or just another bull shit line coming from Beck?

One of the bunch in here was arguing that with me last week.

SeedyROM
05-14-2009, 05:41 PM
Really? Where?

Was it a bunch of libs, one or just another bull shit line coming from Beck?

Al Gore said the program would be Revenue Neutral............liberal translation, no effect on consumer energy bills, nor food and other product costs. Energy is used to manufacture, store, ship and destroy products consumed. I doubt Al Gore could pull off the Revenue Neutral fantasy.

For more on Al Gore and his revenue neutral carbon taxes. Goofy Guy Beck actually makes good arguement against the revenue netral scheme. Its all talk because the only way to force companies to keep cap and trade neutral is through forced regulation with government control aka the path toward socialistic control of industry.
http://seekerblog.com/archives/20080928/why-revenue-neutral-carbon-taxes-are-superior-to-cap-and-trade-schemes/
http://mind.ofdan.ca/?p=1699