Where I stand on important issues

[Life_Long_Dem!]

Since some on here say I am a bit of a confusing person to understand I will lay out things for you all.

I am for legalizing most all drugs since the war on drugs has not done shit since we started it, but I will say that besides legalizing them we should tax the shit out of them like we do cigarettes and alcohol...say you want to buy a pack of joints it should cost like 20-30 bucks for the same amount as in a pack of cigs.

I am all for gay marraige and homosexuality does not bother me, what two consenting adults do in their own lives and bedrooms is none of my business.

this one is a bit confusing even to me...I am pretty much a peace person and am for the most part anti war and military but the war in afgahnastan is ok with me because that is the home of the taliban that attacked us on 9-11.
Even though I am anti military I dont hold any ill towards those in the military, they are very brave in what they do and if that is what they want then I am cool with it, just is not my thing.

I am anti abortion and against the death penalty, always been against the death penalty but my abortion stance has changed a bit, used to think like most liberals on the issue then I grew up a bit and got married, my wife and I are trying to start a family and I am seeing the preciousness and importanance of the innocence of life, especially young children.


I am against big government and high taxes,and I think the government should not be using our money to bailout these fuckups that created their own mess...let them all go bankrupt, even the banks, restructure and start new.

hope that is a good start, can explain more if you all want.

Kevin.

[Hog Trash]

You definately don't sound like a democrat, much less a liberal.

Whatever makes you think the democrat party is closer to your political ideology?

[MintJulep]

Okay, well I'll explain my positions and maybe you will decide I'm not as far right as I seem.

I am for legalizing most all drugs since the war on drugs has not done shit since we started it, but I will say that besides legalizing them we should tax the shit out of them like we do cigarettes and alcohol...say you want to buy a pack of joints it should cost like 20-30 bucks for the same amount as in a pack of cigs.I wouldn't have a problem with marijuana being legalized, however, a blanket statement like legalizing drugs is too broad, IMO. I don't think crack and all of that hard stuff should be sold over the counter.

I am all for gay marraige and homosexuality does not bother me, what two consenting adults do in their own lives and bedrooms is none of my business.I agree.

this one is a bit confusing even to me...I am pretty much a peace person and am for the most part anti war and military but the war in afgahnastan is ok with me because that is the home of the taliban that attacked us on 9-11.
Even though I am anti military I dont hold any ill towards those in the military, they are very brave in what they do and if that is what they want then I am cool with it, just is not my thing.This is my biggest issue -- our national security, for without that, the other things don't matter. I have the utmost respect and gratitude for our military as they are the reason we can enjoy the security and freedom we do.

I am anti abortion and against the death penalty, always been against the death penalty but my abortion stance has changed a bit, used to think like most liberals on the issue then I grew up a bit and got married, my wife and I are trying to start a family and I am seeing the preciousness and importanance of the innocence of life, especially young children.I am anti-partial birth abortion but, what other people do early on is none of my business. If a woman can live with herself after aborting a baby, she's a bigger person than me. I think it would haunt me.

I am pro-death penalty because some crimes are too heinous for the person to be allowed to live and endanger others. Being "locked away" is not enough. They could escape or take a guard's life. Not worth it, IMO.

I am against big government and high taxes,and I think the government should not be using our money to bailout these fuckups that created their own mess...let them all go bankrupt, even the banks, restructure and start new.Hey, we agree again. Let me add that I am against a Nanny state, cradle to grave nation. I believe in personal responsibility with a safety net for those genuinely in need. I think the only people who can't work are those disabled and blind. Other able-bodied adults should be working. There is no excuse to be a lifetime freeloader.

[Life_Long_Dem!]

to be honest I dont really know anymore, I used to think that I fit in more as a dem but think less and less like that anymore...wish I could change my name to better reflect that but multiple nicks are not allowed. I have taken many online political quizzes and they have given me answers that ranged from straight dem to anarchist to anything in between. The last one I took said I was a liberal libertarian socially liberal, fiscally libertarian.

[Mr, gone]

Why is it that most people I run across still feel the need to 'belong' to either Repubs or Dems? It is quite obvious to me that neither of them are much different once one peels away their layers of pretentiousness. Both parties have shown to be morally bankrupt, with an agenda that mostly caters to either lobbyists - and/or the military industrial complex.:disbelief:

I have for several years now, considered myself aligned to the non-conformist party...:D

[Bill Cosby]

this one is a bit confusing even to me...I am pretty much a peace person and am for the most part anti war and military but the war in afgahnastan is ok with me because that is the home of the taliban that attacked us on 9-11.


Kevin.

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/BroadStrata911.jpg
Which one of these folks is from one of the countries we attacked????

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/4/3/6/436f3cc5014e10d4368fc771042943bf.jpg

[Bill Cosby]

Why is it that most people I run across still feel the need to 'belong' to either Repubs or Dems? It is quite obvious to me that neither of them are much different once one peels away their layers of pretentiousness. Both parties have shown to be morally bankrupt, with an agenda that mostly caters to either lobbyists - and/or the military industrial complex.:disbelief:

I have for several years now, considered myself aligned to the non-conformist party...:D

Great points............

It is those groups that pick the fools we have to chose between.. It suits them to have only two........ Imagine having to buy off 15 or 20 parties..... The over head...................:melodramatic:

[MintJulep]

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/BroadStrata911.jpg
Which one of these folks is from one of the countries we attacked????

The common denominator is being Muslim. "Country" is irrelevant, the death cult that masquerades as a religion is the tie that binds.

[MintJulep]

Why is it that most people I run across still feel the need to 'belong' to either Repubs or Dems? It is quite obvious to me that neither of them are much different once one peels away their layers of pretentiousness. Both parties have shown to be morally bankrupt, with an agenda that mostly caters to either lobbyists - and/or the military industrial complex.:disbelief:

I have for several years now, considered myself aligned to the non-conformist party...:DBecause generally people lean more towards one category. Show me an "Independent" and I'll show you a liar. I could easily claim to be an "Independent" because my views are mixed, however, it is simply too gutless a position for me to stomach.

[Zebulon0351]

The common denominator is being Muslim. "Country" is irrelevant, the death cult that masquerades as a religion is the tie that binds.

That seems a little extreme to me.

[MintJulep]

That seems a little extreme to me.It is a fact.

[Zebulon0351]

It is a fact.

Its a fact that every single Muslim is really secretly a part of a "death cult?" That would be like putting all Christians into a single category based off of the Branch Davidians or those in Jonestown.

Every religion has its extremists, and THANK GOD not even a significant percentage of the Muslim population are willing to strap bombs to their chests.. We would have been fucked a long time ago.

[kres24GT]

You need to come over to a 3rd party, the Republicans and Democrats do not represent you at all. Sounds to me like you are a fan of freedom. Freedom is Public Enemy #1 to both parties.

[Zebulon0351]

You need to come over to a 3rd party, the Republicans and Democrats do not represent you at all. Sounds to me like you are a fan of freedom. Freedom is Public Enemy #1 to both parties.

who is that directed to?

[radioguy]

All right... Guess it's my turn.

I am for legalizing most all drugs since the war on drugs has not done shit since we started it, but I will say that besides legalizing them we should tax the shit out of them like we do cigarettes and alcohol...say you want to buy a pack of joints it should cost like 20-30 bucks for the same amount as in a pack of cigs.

Legalizing weed would probably be ok, even though it will result in more air-heads out there. But when it comes to other illegal drugs, I'm against that.

I am all for gay marriage and homosexuality does not bother me, what two consenting adults do in their own lives and bedrooms is none of my business.

I don't care how people choose to live their lives. It's nobodies business. I also have no problem with gay couples being recognized as a couple either. I just think that homosexuals demanding that the term "marriage" be applied to their union is selfish and creates unnecessary animosity. Marriage has always been between a man and a woman, and as long as they are given the same legal rights as married couples, there shouldn't be a problem.

Is a fucking name people... This is supposed to be about rights, and the title has nothing to do with that.

this one is a bit confusing even to me...I am pretty much a peace person and am for the most part anti war and military but the war in afgahnastan is ok with me because that is the home of the taliban that attacked us on 9-11.
Even though I am anti military I dont hold any ill towards those in the military, they are very brave in what they do and if that is what they want then I am cool with it, just is not my thing.

We as a country, made a choice to invade both Afghanistan and Iraq, and I stand behind my countries decision. I understand that much of the intelligence about Iraq and the threat they posed was incorrect, but we can't turn back the clock. We chose to go there based on what we knew, and the Senate, Congress, and the majority of the American people supported that decision, therefore, I stand behind it.

I am anti abortion and against the death penalty, always been against the death penalty but my abortion stance has changed a bit, used to think like most liberals on the issue then I grew up a bit and got married, my wife and I are trying to start a family and I am seeing the preciousness and importance of the innocence of life, especially young children.

I believe that killing anyone, for any reason, is wrong. That goes for the unborn, serial killers, and people who are incapacitated like Terri Shivo. That is my personal belief, but I do however respect the law. I believe that if the people of a state want to impose the death penalty, that is their choice. The same goes for abortion and assisted suicide. But understand, that I will not take part in any of it. I will not kill, or be a party to killing anyone.


I am against big government and high taxes,and I think the government should not be using our money to bailout these fuckups that created their own mess...let them all go bankrupt, even the banks, restructure and start new.

Agreed.

We are a free market society, which means that you should accept the consequences of failure. The government should stay out of it.

hope that is a good start, can explain more if you all want.

Kevin.

I know it's already been said, but you sound more like a republican, than a democrat. 3 out of the 5 stances you made were from the republican platform, and 2 of those (military and economy) were also the most important in my opinion.

I think you need to list what your priorities are, then take a look at how your beliefs match up in the political world.

I think everyone starts out as a democrat, but luckily, most grow up and find that they are really a republican at heart. That's how it was for me.

[MintJulep]

Its a fact that every single Muslim is really secretly a part of a "death cult?" That would be like putting all Christians into a single category based off of the Branch Davidians or those in Jonestown.

Every religion has its extremists, and THANK GOD not even a significant percentage of the Muslim population are willing to strap bombs to their chests.. We would have been fucked a long time ago.
The FACT is, the common denominator of every 9/11 hijacker was the 'religion' of Islam, not a country. While that may offend your PC sensitivities, it is a fact.

[Zebulon0351]

The FACT is, the common denominator of every 9/11 hijacker was the 'religion' of Islam, not a country. While that may offend your PC sensitivities, it is a fact.

Well.. all but four of them were from Saudi Arabia. That is 15 out of the 19 hijackers. And again.. every one of the Branch Davidians were the 'religion' of Christianity. Does that mean all Christians are going to be following in their footsteps?

[Life_Long_Dem!]

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these are some of the areas that I think I fit in...Radioguy I understand what you are saying about me seeming Republican but I dont think I fit into the two party mold anymore,my stances are expansive and maybe I will soon go into more of what I believe in.

[radioguy]

Maybe I should rephrase my statement...

I think you are more of a conservative, than you are a liberal. The republican party has been moving further and further away from conservatism, so I understand where you're coming from.

[MintJulep]

Well.. all but four of them were from Saudi Arabia. That is 15 out of the 19 hijackers. And again.. every one of the Branch Davidians were the 'religion' of Christianity. Does that mean all Christians are going to be following in their footsteps?
Every one, not 14, not 15,every one was Muslim. And BTW, we're not talking about 'all Mooslims', only the 9/11 hijackers.....try again.

[Zebulon0351]

Every one, not 14, not 15,every one was Muslim. And BTW, we're not talking about 'all Mooslims', only the 9/11 hijackers.....try again.

Well, let me take you through the history of this conversation:

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/BroadStrata911.jpg
Which one of these folks is from one of the countries we attacked????

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/4/3/6/436f3cc5014e10d4368fc771042943bf.jpg

To which you replied:
The common denominator is being Muslim. "Country" is irrelevant, the death cult that masquerades as a religion is the tie that binds.

So you go from a statement that encompasses the entire religion of Islam to one a few posts later that only includes the 9/11 hijackers...

Which brings back to the original point...

Which one of these folks is from one of the countries we attacked????

I'll give you Afghanistan. Al Queezie's center of operations, but your original point was saying that since the hijackers were muslim, any muslim country we invade is with total justification

No need for me to try again sweetheart, your words speak for themselves.

[Bill Cosby]

Its a fact that every single Muslim is really secretly a part of a "death cult?" That would be like putting all Christians into a single category based off of the Branch Davidians or those in Jonestown.

Every religion has its extremists, and THANK GOD not even a significant percentage of the Muslim population are willing to strap bombs to their chests.. We would have been fucked a long time ago.

ThnX YoU!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

[Bill Cosby]

Well, let me take you through the history of this conversation:



To which you replied:


So you go from a statement that encompasses the entire religion of Islam to one a few posts later that only includes the 9/11 hijackers...

Which brings back to the original point...



I'll give you Afghanistan. Al Queezie's center of operations, but your original point was saying that since the hijackers were muslim, any muslim country we invade is with total justification

No need for me to try again sweetheart, your words speak for themselves.


Yep one muslim a million all the same right...........??? ~shakes head smiley here~

bush the lesser attacked two countries that weren't even represented on 911 & what of the ones that had citizens involved??? They are getting our tax dollars & our loving protection from their own ppl.......

[MintJulep]

I'll give you Afghanistan. Al Queezie's center of operations, but your original point was saying that since the hijackers were muslim, any muslim country we invade is with total justification

No need for me to try again sweetheart, your words speak for themselves.I said nothing about "invading a country" or any other of your deflections. The common denominator between all of the 9/11 hijackers is they were all MUSLIM. That is an indisputable fact. Nothing you can say changes that fact.

[Zebulon0351]

I said nothing about "invading a country" or any other of your deflections. The common denominator between all of the 9/11 hijackers is they were all MUSLIM. That is an indisputable fact. Nothing you can say changes that fact.


Ok...:oldman: let's try this again..

He asked: Which one of these folks is from one of the countries we attacked????

and you... HEY LADYLIBERTY... over here..... pay attention now, don't get too distracted...

you replied with:

The common denominator is being Muslim. "Country" is irrelevant, the death cult that masquerades as a religion is the tie that binds.

country is irrelevant Who cares who we invade right? Lets go off skipping to our own little Jihad.

[Mr, gone]

Originally posted by Lady Liberty7
Because generally people lean more towards one category. Show me an "Independent" and I'll show you a liar. I could easily claim to be an "Independent" because my views are mixed, however, it is simply too gutless a position for me to stomach.

In my opinion, one has to function in a much more obtuse capacity by choosing between these two very flawed parties - which have more similarities than most are able to understand! Much more intellect and integrity is required in taking a stand regarding issues of great importance, than to 'simply ' align yourself with 'the lesser of two evils' - which the current two party system continues to exhibit.

I fault these parties for not only having failed to uphold many of thier past promises (which creates a lack of trust in my eyes), but more importantly has over these past several decades - continued to errode very core opprotunities which have before allowed the american people to nurture much greater passion and ambition whithin thier lives.

With technology and manufacturing having almost completely been outsourced save for the development and use of instruments for mass destruction (which covertly I also feel that our space program is increasingly a part of), coupled with numerous other policies which has begun (and will continue) to erase this countries middle class.

I think I am speaking to an increasingly larger audience, who are beginning to understand from thier own personal experiences - that a much greater paradigm shift is required to re-capture what our fore fathers have both endured and enjoyed with great pride to help maintain america in the manner for which it's founding fathers intended!:disbelief:

[Mr, gone]

Lady, your inadequate banter in attempting to somehow prove that the 'Muslim' religion was responsible for these 'terroist' attacks, further uncovers your myopic view regarding the world that surrounds you. It appears from this thread, that your mindset might fit nicely with either the third reich - or structured religion (wow the irony with this observation)!:lmao2:

The crusades was mostly about Christians hating Muslims though. :D

the propaganda that attempts to shift the reason for these attacks as being out of Muslim jealousy of the american lifestyle is amusing. The truth is, the people who reside in regions where our nation building has recently taken place and (who purely by coincidence) are Muslim, have understandably developed a hatred for not only our un-invited fireworks display - but for additionally (in thier eyes) having the gall to tell them what new rules and regulations that will now live by...

[MintJulep]

In my opinion, one has to function in a much more obtuse capacity by choosing between these two very flawed parties - which have more similarities than most are able to understand! Much more intellect and integrity is required in taking a stand regarding issues of great importance, than to 'simply ' align yourself with 'the lesser of two evils' - which the current two party system continues to exhibit.It is a more honest position. As I said, I could easily claim to be "Independent", however, since national security and less taxes are my top issues, it is simply more honest to say I'm a Republican. It takes more guts to pick a side of the road and drive it than to sit on the sidelines and pretend to be "objective". No human is "objective".

With technology and manufacturing having almost completely been outsourced save for the development and use of instruments for mass destruction (which covertly I also feel that our space program is increasingly a part of), coupled with numerous other policies which has begun (and will continue) to erase this countries middle class.And what do you think taxing "the rich" and 11 trillion in debt is going to do for employment? LOL Stick around. You'll find out.

I think I am speaking to an increasingly larger audience, who are beginning to understand from thier own personal experiences - that a much greater paradigm shift is required to re-capture what our fore fathers have both endured and enjoyed with great pride to help maintain america in the manner for which it's founding fathers intended!Our founding fathers didn't intend for the US to be a nanny state, collective shithole where the gubmint "takes care of you". Thanks but no thanks.

[MintJulep]

Lady, your inadequate banter in attempting to somehow prove that the 'Muslim' religion was responsible for these 'terroist' attacks, further uncovers your myopic view regarding the world that surrounds you. It appears from this thread, that your mindset might fit nicely with either the third reich - or structured religion (wow the irony with this observation)!:lmao2:

The crusades was mostly about Christians hating Muslims though. :D

the propaganda that attempts to shift the reason for these attacks as being out of Muslim jealousy of the american lifestyle is amusing. The truth is, the people who reside in regions where our nation building has recently taken place and (who purely by coincidence) are Muslim, have understandably developed a hatred for not only our un-invited fireworks display - but for additionally (in thier eyes) having the gall to tell them what new rules and regulations that will now live by...Still doesn't change the fact that all 19 hijackers were Muslim, now does it? No, they don't kill for "jealousy of the American lifestyle", nor have I written that. They kill worldwide. Jealousy of the American lifestyle didn't cause them to kill 200 children in Beslan, slit Theo Van Gogh's throat, or blow up nightclubs abroad.

What happened a thousand years ago is irrelevant to what is going on today nor does it justify global murder for a religion. Other religions have progressed while Islam still exists in the year 1400.

[MintJulep]

country is irrelevant Who cares who we invade right? Lets go off skipping to our own little Jihad.Indeed. Country is irrelevant. All of the 9/11 hijackers were Muslim.

Deal with that fact.

[Zebulon0351]

Indeed. Country is irrelevant. All of the 9/11 hijackers were Muslim.

Deal with that fact.


Thank you for finally coming clean Liberty. Now we know that you justify the invasion in Iraq simply because it is an Islamic state. That shows me a great deal about you. Thanks. :hi:

[Bill Cosby]

the propaganda that attempts to shift the reason for these attacks as being out of Muslim jealousy of the american lifestyle is amusing. The truth is, the people who reside in regions where our nation building has recently taken place and (who purely by coincidence) are Muslim, have understandably developed a hatred for not only our un-invited fireworks display - but for additionally (in thier eyes) having the gall to tell them what new rules and regulations that will now live by...

I agree that is part of the reason. That was also what the "terrorist" said was the reason for attacks on Americans & Israeli's as well as "westerners" in general.. For what they see as a cultural/religious assault (Unlike here culture/social /religious are so intertwined as to be indistinguishable in many respects)...

The kindumbs in Arabia, Jordan as well as the secular-pro western governments were/are seen as perpetrators & collaborators w/ the west, remarkably of which the bastard saddam was considered one……..

[Mr, gone]

It is almost surreal to me how overall, a humanity that overtly appears so advanced - somehow continues to errode from the inside.:disbelief:

[Bill Cosby]

It is almost surreal to me how overall, a humanity that overtly appears so advanced - somehow continues to errode from the inside.:disbelief:

I imagine that has been said many times over the last 7 or 8 thousands years......

To me this seems to be as it has always been........

IMO there are really few times when it was much different.......

History seems to be basically a testament of mans inhumanity to man.....

That may sound cynical, but sadly true..........