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bairdi
04-19-2009, 11:20 PM
Tax Tea Party Time, Part Two
Bruce Bartlett, 04.17.09, 12:00 AM ET

Last week, I presented data comparing taxation in the United States to other major countries and concluded that Americans are not especially overtaxed. The almost universal reaction to this analysis was, "So what?" Just because foreigners are even more overtaxed than we are doesn't mean that we aren't overtaxed.

Fair enough. But what if we compare U.S. taxes today to those in the past? Are Americans more heavily taxed than those in earlier years, and do polls show greater dissatisfaction with taxes today?

To answer these questions, I looked at the effective federal income tax rate--taxes paid as a share of income--for a family with the median income. The median is the exact middle of the income distribution--half of families are above and half are below. It's as close as we can get, statistically, to the typical American family.

As the table shows, in 2007, the most recent year available, the median family paid 5.91% of its income to the federal government in the form of income taxes. This is half the tax rate paid in 1981 before the Reagan tax cut took effect. Although the 2007 rate is up very slightly from its 2003 low point, it is still well below the rate that prevailed from the 1950s through the 1990s.


I don't have data for 2009, but it's a certainty that the median family tax rate is well below that which prevailed in 2007 if only because in February, Congress enacted a new tax credit that will reduce the median family's tax bill by $800 over last year.

Some may wonder about marginal rates--the tax on each additional dollar earned. This year, the median family will face exactly the same marginal tax rate it has faced since 1987: 15%. This is down substantially from the 1970s, when the median family paid as much as 25% on the marginal dollar of income.

Thus, it is hard to find evidence that taxes are rising or unusually high. This is confirmed by poll data. According to Gallup, only 46% of Americans think their federal income taxes are too high--the lowest percentage recorded since 1961. In 2000, 65% of people thought their taxes were too high; last year the figure was 52%.

It is even more revealing to compare the percentage of Americans who think their taxes are too high to those who think they are about right. Ten years ago, there was a wide gap--65% thought their taxes were too high and only 29% thought they were about right. This year, 48% of people think their federal income taxes are about right. In only one other year since 1956 have more Americans said their taxes were about right than said they were too high.

In response to these facts, some critics say that it is not today's taxes that concern them, but those that will have to be paid in coming years as a result of the large spending and deficits being projected. There is some logic to this. According to an economic doctrine called "Ricardian equivalence," people see taxes and deficits as more or less interchangeable.

I have problems with this argument as a justification for the sudden appearance of tea parties to protest taxes. First, many protesters implicitly assume that that the deficit has increased solely as a result of Barack Obama's policies. But in fact, the Congressional Budget Office was projecting a deficit of more than $1 trillion this year back in January, before any of Obama's policies had been enacted, and a cumulative deficit of $4.3 trillion through 2019. (CBO made no assumptions about what his policies might be in making its projection.)

It's true that projected deficits have gotten larger since January. But much of this resulted from deteriorating economic conditions that would have occurred even if John McCain were president. Moreover, it is absurd to assume that McCain would not have enacted any stimulus programs had he been elected.

More than likely, McCain would have proposed a stimulus plan of roughly the same size as that proposed by Obama. No doubt, it would have had a different composition--heavier on tax cuts, different kinds of tax cuts, less spending, different spending--but it wouldn't have been all that different from Obama's package given large Democratic majorities in the House and Senate and the pressure to act quickly.

I strongly suspect that many of those that loudly denounced the Obama stimulus package for its impact on the deficit would have cheered the McCain stimulus package even though it would have increased the deficit by about the same amount.

Proof of this proposition is that there were no tea parties during the years when George W. Bush was turning the surpluses of the Clinton years into massive deficits. Indeed, if concerns about deficits are the primary motivation for this week's tax protests, then these same people should have been holding demonstrations of support for Bill Clinton in 2000 when the federal government ran a budget surplus of 2.4% of the gross domestic product--equivalent to a surplus of $336 billion this year.

The truth is that the greatest addition to national indebtedness occurred in 2003 when Bush rammed through the Republican Congress a massive expansion of Medicare to provide drug benefits even though the system was already broke. According to the latest report from Medicare's trustees, the drug benefit added $7.9 trillion to the nation's indebtedness. This should have led to massive tax protests on April 15, 2004. But, of course, there weren't any. Those protesting this week were only protesting because it is a Democrat who has increased the deficit. When a Republican did worse, it's like Emily Litella used to say, "Never mind."

Of course, people are free to protest whatever they want whenever they want, and are also free to change their minds. Maybe this week's tax protesters would have been out protesting even if McCain were president, but I don't think so. I believe this was largely a partisan exercise designed to improve the fortunes of the Republican Party, not an expression of genuine concern about taxes or our nation's fiscal future.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. That only comes from having credibility gained by the correct presentation of facts and analysis and a willingness to be even-handed--criticizing one's own side when it is wrong and not only speaking up when the other party does the same thing.

Bruce Bartlett is a former Treasury Department economist and the author of Reaganomics: Supply-Side Economics in Action and Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy. He writes a weekly column for Forbes.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/16/tax-tea-party-opinions-columnists-protest_print.html

Smurf-Herder
04-19-2009, 11:30 PM
It was about the taxes going to wasteful spending and goverment being unresponsive to the people.

mwillman
04-19-2009, 11:35 PM
Very nice post Bairdi.

Smurf do you care to be more specific and by specific I mean give me the exact spending you are talking about and proof that its not just another exaggeration created to support your party agenda.

Smurf-Herder
04-19-2009, 11:41 PM
Very nice post Bairdi.

Smurf do you care to be more specific and by specific I mean give me the exact spending you are talking about and proof that its not just another exaggeration created to support your party agenda.


Are you guys all clones?

Jesus fucking christ! :banghead:

mwillman
04-19-2009, 11:53 PM
Thats What I ask about you and Senor chef, Hog Trash, and Lady antiliberty.

SeniorChief
04-20-2009, 12:30 PM
I paid close to $30,000 in taxes in 2008.

I wonder how many Liberal families that feeds, or will it all be traded in food stamps for crack.

mwillman
04-20-2009, 12:51 PM
It paid for 1 Sailor for one year.

SeniorChief
04-20-2009, 12:55 PM
It paid for 1 Sailor for one year.

Posted nine minutes before the civility rule kicks in.
I bet you'll have difficulty adapting to the new rule, but good luck anyhow!

mwillman
04-20-2009, 12:59 PM
Thanks SC, Its funny you say that when you have already broken the rule. But hey I dont expect Smurf to be be anything but a biased partisan.

You asked what your taxes went to and I gave you one possibility that you seemed to have forgotten.

Nice way to ignore the topic.

Hog Trash
04-20-2009, 01:05 PM
Exactly what Debt Fairy do the liberals think is going to fly along and pay this enormous deficit we now have

{11 trillion and growing} http://www.oddhammer.com/tutorials/debt_clock/US_debt_clock.swf

with more money on the drawing board, not including free health care for everyone in the future budget??? :lmao2:

Mr. Blue
04-20-2009, 01:34 PM
I think these Tax Tea Party things seriously lack a focus. It's drawing in people for very different reasons and why I think it'll just go away without much impact...like most protests seem to do nowadays.

My main problem with America at the moment falls into something like this: How we're using our money and how do we change it before it's too late to change.

If someone came to me and said, we're going to raise your taxes, but the national debt will get paid down, we'll follow a policy of isolationism when it comes to foreign entanglements, and we'll build up our infrastructure. We'll invest in America...I'd be willing to get on that bandwagon.

What bothers me, we're selling off our future, and getting nothing in return. Ideological colonialism failed, let's protect democracy at home, build up America, and move forward.

Ultimately, we dramatically reduce the size of government, by not having our hands in every cookie jar in the world...especially since we're not getting away with any cookies.

bairdi
04-20-2009, 01:43 PM
Exactly what Debt Fairy do the liberals think is going to fly along and pay this enormous deficit we now have

{11 trillion and growing} http://www.oddhammer.com/tutorials/debt_clock/US_debt_clock.swf

with more money on the drawing board, not including free health care for everyone in the future budget??? :lmao2:
The Repugs say that cutting taxes lowers the deficit. We'll just have to wait for them to regain power and when they cut the tax rate to half a percent, the government will have more money than they can spend. :lmao2:

Hell, maybe if we just let the economy collapse like the you people want then everyone can use all those weapons they have stockpiled. Nothing like going out and "killin us a bunch of libruls."

Hog Trash
04-20-2009, 02:02 PM
I think these Tax Tea Party things seriously lack a focus. It's drawing in people for very different reasons and why I think it'll just go away without much impact...like most protests seem to do nowadays.
Not true Mr Blue...I attended a Tea Party of several thousand people with many different gripes.

Many political varieties were there, but admittedly most of the attendees were of the right persuasion.

The one binding tie or commonality I seem to notice was, most were simply fed up with bad government, period.

I believe people are awakening to the reality that both major parties first concerns are for themselves and nation last.

Both parties no longer represent America nor Americans, and people are finally beginning to open their eyes and catch on.