Jobs Americans Don't Want

[Mr. Blue]

Are there jobs Americans just don't want? Do we really need migrant workers to fill these positions? I'm going to say that's bullshit.

When I was 21 and kind of poor, I worked 3 jobs. Landscaper (yep, the only white guy with a bunch of Mexicans), a waiter (on the weekends), and a night watchman (well I had to sleep sometime :D)...far from glamorous but I never felt ashamed of it.

Minimum wage across the board, but a peculiar thing happens when you work hard and make smart life choices...you soon find you're no longer poor. You soon find that you have the money to start your own business and by the time I was 29 I had paid off the mortgage on my house and had two small businesses that still make me a decent amount of money each month.

So, is it bullshit that there's jobs Americans won't do? Have we become such a pack of wimps that earning an honest days salary is considered a bad thing? Or is this some spin companies use to justify illegal immigrants? Or politicians use to not do anything about our borders?

[kres24GT]

Are there jobs Americans just don't want? Do we really need migrant workers to fill these positions? I'm going to say that's bullshit.

When I was 21 and kind of poor, I worked 3 jobs. Landscaper (yep, the only white guy with a bunch of Mexicans), a waiter (on the weekends), and a night watchman (well I had to sleep sometime :D)...far from glamorous but I never felt ashamed of it.

Minimum wage across the board, but a peculiar thing happens when you work hard and make smart life choices...you soon find you're no longer poor. You soon find that you have the money to start your own business and by the time I was 29 I had paid off the mortgage on my house and had two small businesses that still make me a decent amount of money each month.

So, is it bullshit that there's jobs Americans won't do? Have we become such a pack of wimps that earning an honest days salary is considered a bad thing? Or is this some spin companies use to justify illegal immigrants? Or politicians use to not do anything about our borders?


It's somewhat BS, yes. Everytime a new Wal-mart opens they are flooded with thousands of applicants for minimum wage jobs, not all of them are illegals, or even Hispanic.


Still migrant workers are good for the economy, the more shitty jobs they fill, the more better paying jobs it creates for the rest of us. Not to say we should have open borders, but we definitely need to get rid of our ridiculous sytem where it is easier to come here illegally than legally.

[stefan segal]

Kres....does no amount or level of fact contrary to your gop issued list of accepted statements ever give you pause to reconsider?

I watched you on that other thread where two people laid out where you INFERRED an alein connection in your own statements, but even then...you denied having made that connection.

Don't you listen to your own words? Have you any inkling what 'inference' means? Or do you simply look up you attitude from the gop handouts and copy it onto this list?

I apprenticed in the building trades starting as soon as I could carry a cinder block and more than one 2x4x8 in one trip.

This country was built on "dirty jobs"...what Blue laid out is the receipe of what is America...to have some non tax paying extra-legal shoulder our youth out of the chance to become effectual working men through learning from the ground up, is morally deficit and irresponsible.

We saddled our youth with the bill for our twenty year beer-bust, now we cripple their ability to pay it off through restricting their normal course of learning the means to earn a living.

After reading your comments on a variety of subjects, I come to believe that you regard any criticism of your positions as being a product of far left crazies...and further...you must at all cost, do everything to resist the ravings of those far left pinko bastards.

Did it ever occur to you to first glean the sense of what your statements say...not only the surface mechanical linkage, but the seed that must exist in you beneath your statements before they can be generated?...and finally, what your gaggle of associated words infer.

After you have done this...then have you ever considered these critiques might hold some validity...that is before you pushd them from your mind with your lefto-squeegee?

Stefan

[kres24GT]

Kres....does no amount or level of fact contrary to your gop issued list of accepted statements ever give you pause to reconsider?

I watched you on that other thread where two people laid out where you INFERRED an alein connection in your own statements, but even then...you denied having made that connection.

Don't you listen to your own words? Have you any inkling what 'inference' means? Or do you simply look up you attitude from the gop handouts and copy it onto this list?

I apprenticed in the building trades starting as soon as I could carry a cinder block and more than one 2x4x8 in one trip.

This country was built on "dirty jobs"...what Blue laid out is the receipe of what is America...to have some non tax paying extra-legal shoulder our youth out of the chance to become effectual working men through learning from the ground up, is morally deficit and irresponsible.

We saddled our youth with the bill for our twenty year beer-bust, now we cripple their ability to pay it off through restricting their normal course of learning the means to earn a living.

After reading your comments on a variety of subjects, I come to believe that you regard any criticism of your positions as being a product of far left crazies...and further...you must at all cost, do everything to resist the ravings of those far left pinko bastards.

Did it ever occur to you to first glean the sense of what your statements say...not only the surface mechanical linkage, but the seed that must exist in you beneath your statements before they can be generated?...and finally, what your gaggle of associated words infer.

After you have done this...then have you ever considered these critiques might hold some validity...that is before you pushd them from your mind with your lefto-squeegee?

Stefan


The GOP wants no illegal immigrant reform, while preaching to their sheep that they do, they want open borders yet say the do not, I want a valid legalization program that is easy and simple, so not sure how i tie in with them.

I also am still failing to see how calling someone who is an illegal alien such, relegates them to some sort of default position on immigration.I probably fail to see this because it's a ridiculous reach to make such foolish assumptions.

More partisan nonsense from you. It absolutely blows your mind to not be able to put people into black and white, right or wrong, republican or democrat issues on one absolute or the other. Anyone who doesn't fit into these categories must be assigned one because you are incapable of dealing with independent thought.

[stefan segal]

Kres...You responded to the footnote...the main subject...my main subject, was to refute your position of bringing in aleins to shoulder our youth from the entry positions (butch=jobs we won't do) which they need to enter the workforce as a viable menber...in other words: get some dea of what working is all about.

Your projections are a waste of time and space.

Stefan

[kres24GT]

Kres...You responded to the footnote...the main subject...my main subject, was to refute your position of bringing in aleins to shoulder our youth from the entry positions (butch=jobs we won't do) which they need to enter the workforce as a viable menber...in other words: get some dea of what working is all about.

Your projections are a waste of time and space.

Stefan

Wow, arguing is great when you can make up things people say.

[Mr. Blue]

Still migrant workers are good for the economy, the more shitty jobs they fill, the more better paying jobs it creates for the rest of us. Not to say we should have open borders, but we definitely need to get rid of our ridiculous sytem where it is easier to come here illegally than legally.

There's plenty of people in America that could fill those undesirable jobs. Hell you could probably clear the welfare rolls and give every ex-con a chance at earning an honest living. For that matter you could start up the whole chain gang thing again...give white collar criminals, non-violent criminals a job. Or give homeless people a chance to get ahead.

Hard work, an honest days pay, never hurt anyone. There's plenty of Americans that are a burden to the system now that's waiting for that "better job" to come along. The problem is that the work ethic in America is dying a slow death.

Comedians make jokes about some guy working in McDonalds...why? I never make fun of someone working in McD's...they're earning a salary, they're trying, and they should get respect for that effort. Nope, let's disrespect people earning a living and lets coddle the waste of space that just robbed someone...aww, poor thing, it was the system that made him like that.

[kres24GT]

There's plenty of people in America that could fill those undesirable jobs. Hell you could probably clear the welfare rolls and give every ex-con a chance at earning an honest living. For that matter you could start up the whole chain gang thing again...give white collar criminals, non-violent criminals a job. Or give homeless people a chance to get ahead.

Hard work, an honest days pay, never hurt anyone. There's plenty of Americans that are a burden to the system now that's waiting for that "better job" to come along. The problem is that the work ethic in America is dying a slow death.

Comedians make jokes about some guy working in McDonalds...why? I never make fun of someone working in McD's...they're earning a salary, they're trying, and they should get respect for that effort. Nope, let's disrespect people earning a living and lets coddle the waste of space that just robbed someone...aww, poor thing, it was the system that made him like that.


Most people on welfare aren't going to work, but that is besides the point. Like I said, yes Americans will work these jobs. However migrant workers, who are here legally, creates more middle class and upper class jobs for the rest of us. The more people here, the more goods and services needed for those people, the more goods and services needed for those people, the more jobs.
Obviously we don't want open borders, or people to be here illegally, nor do we want to open the flood gates and have a China like population. Still there are positives to Hispanic labor.

[Tommy]

if you look around you will see clearly thats its not just the jobs americians dont want

hire a roofer and they show up with a bunch of illegals, take a close look at any house thats being built and you will see more then a few workers that are illegals

they dont just pick fruit and blow leaves
they are in almost every field of the construction buisness

these were once the bread and butter jobs of the middle class

when I was a teenager I had a side job bussing table and washing dishes
I think I made about 70 bucks for a saturday night I bet thats like 150.00 today, not bad for a college kid

and there could be a decent amout of money in cutting grass and blowing leaves

I pay 30 bucks a week, it takes them 10 mins
so lets say it took you 30 mins alone
make 10 stops in one day and thats 300.00

times that by 5 days a week and your making 1500.00 a week only working 5 hours a day

I know a lot of middle class people that dont make that

[Mr. Blue]

if you look around you will see clearly thats its not just the jobs americians dont want

hire a roofer and they show up with a bunch of illegals, take a close look at any house thats being built and you will see more then a few workers that are illegals

they dont just pick fruit and blow leaves
they are in almost every field of the construction buisness

these were once the bread and butter jobs of the middle class

when I was a teenager I had a side job bussing table and washing dishes
I think I made about 70 bucks for a saturday night I bet thats like 150.00 today, not bad for a college kid

and there could be a decent amout of money in cutting grass and blowing leaves

I pay 30 bucks a week, it takes them 10 mins
so lets say it took you 30 mins alone
make 10 stops in one day and thats 300.00

times that by 5 days a week and your making 1500.00 a week only working 5 hours a day

I know a lot of middle class people that dont make that

Yep, it's not only "undesirable" jobs...it is that blue collar, middle class jobs, that used to be desirable professions. I'm not sure why people don't see this as a problem. It's bad enough we're outsourcing jobs to India, China, etc, but now we're giving away jobs here.

Oh and I used to make a killing as a waiter...21 years old, well mannered, efficient at my job, and the customers could understand me perfectly...I always got excellent tips.

That's another problem in America...no one takes pride in their work anymore...but that can be a discussion for another time, lol.