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kres24GT
04-16-2007, 04:59 PM
Thanks to one VT student.

Here come the anti-gun, anti-video game, and everyone else who can throw their agenda in with this tragedy to make use it as a soap box to make their political points, based on an isolated very rare incident that is the least of America's problems.

The media is all too willing to sensationalize the event too to help these people, not to mention give them air time

And of course they have the greatest weapon of politcis, sympathy. If you disagree with them or call them out on their fear mongering and profiteering they will simply label you insensitive.

And the people will fall for it hook line and sinker. Everyone will be holding vigils, and saying prayers, and sending their support to all of the families of those lost. Is there anything wrong with this act in itself? No, very noble in fact. But the fact we only do this when the media gives us the command to do it is a problem. Everyone dies, and many die needlessly and young. But do we have the is same outpouring of support for every young person who dies a senseless death through not fault of their own. No.

A couple of weeks ago two young girls were killed by a drunk driver who happened to be an illegal immigrant. Where was the outrage, where were the vigils around the country, the nationwide public outcry of support, the press conference by the president? They weren't there, because the media did not tell us to get upset about this one. instead we download a clip of O'Rielly and Geraldo on their soap boxes about it and laugh, no sympathy for the girls who died.

Bill
04-16-2007, 06:47 PM
Nice touch, throwing in some anti-immigrant agitprop in there.

Shame it dirties up the rest of your argument.

Maybe you'll luck out and the shooter will be an asian-hispanic immigrant, and tie it all up into a neat package.

I can see it now, anti-gun and anti-immigrant peeps arm in arm, united at last.

"Alll weeee are sayyyyyinngg, is give peeeeaacee a chance! And throw the beaners out!".

Bill
04-16-2007, 06:50 PM
Funny, I hadn't realized that the law banning big magazines for pistols had expired, but that's what they just said on the news. I've been wanting to get a glock with the old style 18 round magazines.

stefan segal
04-17-2007, 01:07 AM
Bill...is there any meat left on that deer after 18 hits? :)

Stefan

kres24GT
04-17-2007, 09:33 AM
Nice touch, throwing in some anti-immigrant agitprop in there.

Shame it dirties up the rest of your argument.

Maybe you'll luck out and the shooter will be an asian-hispanic immigrant, and tie it all up into a neat package.

I can see it now, anti-gun and anti-immigrant peeps arm in arm, united at last.

"Alll weeee are sayyyyyinngg, is give peeeeaacee a chance! And throw the beaners out!".

I am not clear on your point here. Who is anti-immigrant?

Tommy
04-17-2007, 12:51 PM
watching fox last night they are blaming the video games etc etc

its always the violence on tv's fault, never the guns

kres24GT
04-17-2007, 12:59 PM
watching fox last night they are blaming the video games etc etc

its always the violence on tv's fault, never the guns


The greatest tragedy would be if we blamed the individual of course. We can never blame anyone for their own actions. It's the music, the video games, the guns, etc. It's simply unAmerican for anyone to be responsible for their actions. Got to play the blame game.

kres24GT
04-17-2007, 01:24 PM
Compiled a list of people/things to blame I have heard so far:

Music
School President
Video games
School Police
Movies/TV
Guns
Class Warfare
Society
Youth Culture
George Bush/Iraq War


Yet to be mentioned:
The Parents
The Individual

Bill
04-17-2007, 02:04 PM
I am not clear on your point here. Who is anti-immigrant?

You're the one who brought them up, not me.

Bill
04-17-2007, 02:07 PM
Bill...is there any meat left on that deer after 18 hits? :)

Stefan

I've heard of hunting deer with a .357 or a .44 revolver, but never with a 9mm.

Obviously I'd be buying a hi-capacity glock for shooting humans.

I've never yet had to use more than one shot for a deer, something that pleases me.

Well, I used two shots to put down an injured deer, hit by a car. But I didn't really need the second, just making sure.

kres24GT
04-17-2007, 02:27 PM
You're the one who brought them up, not me.


I still don't get your point. If you'd care to explain it.

Bill
04-17-2007, 03:31 PM
I still don't get your point. If you'd care to explain it.

My point was made in my first post. I found it ironic (tho somehow not unexpected) that you connected anti-gun rhetoric with anti-immigrant rhetoric.

I failed to see the connection between the two.

I'm still not getting the connection.

Tho I gather the shooter was an immigrant.

kres24GT
04-17-2007, 04:12 PM
My point was made in my first post. I found it ironic (tho somehow not unexpected) that you connected anti-gun rhetoric with anti-immigrant rhetoric.

I failed to see the connection between the two.

I'm still not getting the connection.

Tho I gather the shooter was an immigrant.


What rhetoric?? What connection?? I have no clue what the hell your point about illegal immigrants is or what it has to do with mine. Perhaps you need to reread my post and get the gist of it.

Mr. Blue
04-18-2007, 07:00 AM
When a terribly tragedy perhaps people search for some answer to rationalize the insanity of it all. They'll blame video games, movies, gun laws, violent music, porn, drug use, drinking, and just about any other topic to rationalize the insanity away.

The problem is, sometimes an insane action is just that, an insane action that couldn't be stopped regardless of how we sanitize our society. Unfortunately there will always be people with the potential to murder, mass murder, etc.

If you stopped for a minute and tried to think like a mad man...could you think of 5 ways you could kill 30+ people? I could and so could everyone else on this forum.

So, maybe at times you just have to accept the fact that there are bad people in this world that will commit horrendous acts and no amount of explaining away will help prevent the next person that goes nuts.

As for kres' point...the media controls public outcry at times...I agree with that. You only need to look at the missing people reports. If it's a sexy blond from a rich family, they'll cover her story 24/7 for months. If it's some black girl from the projects...she'll be lucky if she gets on a milk carton.

The media is selective with its outrage.

kres24GT
04-18-2007, 09:15 AM
When a terribly tragedy perhaps people search for some answer to rationalize the insanity of it all. They'll blame video games, movies, gun laws, violent music, porn, drug use, drinking, and just about any other topic to rationalize the insanity away.

The problem is, sometimes an insane action is just that, an insane action that couldn't be stopped regardless of how we sanitize our society. Unfortunately there will always be people with the potential to murder, mass murder, etc.

If you stopped for a minute and tried to think like a mad man...could you think of 5 ways you could kill 30+ people? I could and so could everyone else on this forum.

So, maybe at times you just have to accept the fact that there are bad people in this world that will commit horrendous acts and no amount of explaining away will help prevent the next person that goes nuts.

As for kres' point...the media controls public outcry at times...I agree with that. You only need to look at the missing people reports. If it's a sexy blond from a rich family, they'll cover her story 24/7 for months. If it's some black girl from the projects...she'll be lucky if she gets on a milk carton.

The media is selective with its outrage.


Funny story on the black/white girls missing. The AJC here in Atlanta, I believe it was during the Runaway Bride thing, published an editorial about PMWGS (Pretty Missing White Girl Syndrome) and it's relation to the media. So a few days later a young black girl goes missing, and they decide to run with the story and give it the same attention they would to a pretty white girl. Anyway they went nuts with it for 3 or 4 days, before the girl turned up. She was in jail and didn't want her mom to find out so she never called her.

Bill
04-18-2007, 11:23 AM
A couple of weeks ago two young girls were killed by a drunk driver who happened to be an illegal immigrant. Where was the outrage, where were the vigils around the country, the nationwide public outcry of support, the press conference by the president? They weren't there, because the media did not tell us to get upset about this one. instead we download a clip of O'Rielly and Geraldo on their soap boxes about it and laugh, no sympathy for the girls who died.

You added this to the end of your anti-anti-gun rhetoric, Kres.

I agree with the anti-anti-gun rhetoric.

But I don't see how this fairly infamous anti-immigrant rhetoric ties into it.

I gather you are saying the tragic drunk driving deaths deserves at least as much outrage as the tragic shooting deaths, because in the first case the drunk driving deaths were caused by an illegal immigrant.

And you wish the president had given a speech about how tragic the deaths of the girls was.

kres24GT
04-18-2007, 12:50 PM
You added this to the end of your anti-anti-gun rhetoric, Kres.

I agree with the anti-anti-gun rhetoric.

But I don't see how this fairly infamous anti-immigrant rhetoric ties into it.

I gather you are saying the tragic drunk driving deaths deserves at least as much outrage as the tragic shooting deaths, because in the first case the drunk driving deaths were caused by an illegal immigrant.

And you wish the president had given a speech about how tragic the deaths of the girls was.


Um, no. I mentioned someone who was an illegal immigrant as an illegal immigrant. For you to infer some sort of position because of that is beyond ridiculous. In fact the inference you make goes against my point completely. Clearly you did not read the post, you saw a word you consider to be a "buzz word" and responded accordingly. Any personal beliefs on guns or illegals are irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.

Betty Blowtorch
04-18-2007, 02:49 PM
Why does the U.S. have so many more murders than Canada
and European nations, especially murders committed by
young males?

Here are some statistics I got from a website:

Murder rate for males age 15-24 (per 100,000 people):

United States........ 24.4
Canada.................. 2.6
Sweden................. 2.3
Norway.................. 2.3
Finland.................. 2.3
Denmark................ 2.2
United Kingdom...... 2.0
Netherlands........... 1.2
Germany............... 0.9
Japan................... 0.5

Young American males commit 10 times as many murders
as males in those other nations.

Something really weird is going on with America. Why are we
so pathologically violent?

I know that one of the reasons is the Drug War, which leads to
drive-by shootings and gang warfare in the illegal drug trade.
Another factor is that most of those other nations have stronger
gun control laws. But these factors don't really explain why
America is 10 times more homicidal than those other nations.

America is a great nation with great people, but there's a very
dark, dangerous side to the American national psyche.

Do any of you know why we're so violent?

stefan segal
04-18-2007, 03:25 PM
Blowtorch...americans are into quick juvenile fixes...we haven't a thinking background...especially under the influence of the regan, bush, butch "leadership"...which has a vested interest in dumming down the population and more crime = more control measures and less freedeoms.

This last can be demonstrated by the gov. resistance to legalizing social drugs...much crime would be obviated and downsizing of the local armies (read fast response teams/swat) and a sharp decline in siezures of personal property would be the result.

The immediate response as another quick fix scheme would be to curtail gun ownership...this is as stupid as drive-by murders of everyone on the street.

If all the guns presently in private hands in the US today were stacked up in a small country...say Switzerland, they would cover the entire surface from border to border thirty feet high (don't quote this figure)...so to make gun ownership illegal, would immediately result in a frenzy to get all the guns and ammo existing and cache it against what most will understand as an imminant attack on the citizenry by their government.

There's more than a few (no so crazy crazies) who are set up like this since the Dividian thing at Waco...gathering more each day if their sites can be believed...making the sides of an asymetrical conflict rather starkly primed for a trigger like federally enforced gun control.

What is lacking is education...education provides options for response, more than the single response of jacking a shell into the chamber.

Or another way to lower the US kill rate to a number more in line with the rest of the world, would be instead of paying $150. for nike sneakers, we all buy kevlar jock-straps to keep us from getting our balls blown off.

Stefan

kres24GT
04-18-2007, 04:15 PM
How about starting gun discussion in another thread, this one is about the media.

Betty Blowtorch
04-18-2007, 04:29 PM
Here's an interesting article, "America: the Most Violent Nation?" (http://www.haciendapub.com/stolinsky.html)
which raises some thought-provoking points, such as:

"The changes in the U.S. homicide rate over time are interesting.
In 1900 there were few gun laws. New York had no handgun law
and California no waiting period. Guns of all types could be ordered
by mail or bought anonymously. And the homicide rate was 1.2,
about one-sixth of what it is today."

"Israel and Switzerland, where most adult males keep military-type
guns at home, have low homicide rates, so easy access to guns
cannot be the key factor in homicide."

"From 1991 to 1997 the U.S. homicide rate fell 30 percent."

"Liberals must face the fact that despite billions spent on social
programs, changes to make the justice system more "fair," and
new gun-control laws, the homicide rate doubled since the 1960's.
Conservatives must face the fact that despite continuing family
breakup, fatherless boys, decaying schools, and loss of respect
for human life, the homicide rate fell by one-third in the 1990's."

Betty Blowtorch
04-18-2007, 04:42 PM
How about starting gun discussion in another thread,
this one is about the media.
Exqueese me? I could have sworn this thread was started
in response to the shooting in Virginia, which (unless I'm
mistaken) involved guns. But it seemed to have devolved
into a discussion about illegal aliens or something like that.

But then I could be confused. http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/9079/avatarworking3vg2.gif

kres24GT
04-18-2007, 04:54 PM
Exqueese me? I could have sworn this thread was started
in response to the shooting in Virginia, which (unless I'm
mistaken) involved guns. But it seemed to have devolved
into a discussion about illegal aliens or something like that.

But then I could be confused. http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/9079/avatarworking3vg2.gif


It only did that because people need to fit others into neat little groups. This thread was about how the media dictates the outrage, sympathy and grief for these types of events. And the overreaction that it causes.

Mr. Blue
04-18-2007, 06:48 PM
"Israel and Switzerland, where most adult males keep military-type
guns at home, have low homicide rates, so easy access to guns
cannot be the key factor in homicide."

I've always found this fact to be interesting. Off the top of my head I believe the percentage of Swiss that own guns is something in the range of 70% of the population. We're also talking a good deal of assault rifles, etc.

I think its too easy to blame gun laws for the problem. It just seems as a nation we're becoming obsessed with blaming other people for our problems and that manifests itself in insane actions.

Just take a look at our politicians...they're always blaming the other party for something. Oh sure, they voted on the topic, but no no, it's the other guys fault, they tricked us somehow.

Americans play the blame game 24/7 now...it's not a good thing.