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Reality4u
04-05-2009, 12:53 AM
Carroll: Mea culpa on Churchill
By Vincent Carroll
Posted: 04/04/2009 12:30:00 AM MDT


At long last, I get it.

I was slow on the uptake, I admit, but have finally come around. For much of my life, you see, I labored under a great delusion. I thought public officials had a duty to speak out and rebuke someone in their ranks — or even a prominent constituent — who said something morally repellent.

If a prison warden professed indifference toward sexual abuse within his facility, or a college football coach was caught distributing racist or neo-Nazi propaganda, I assumed that elected officials should stand up and object — that they should climb upon a soapbox, if necessary, and start waving their arms.

And if a professor at a state university celebrated the mass murders of office workers and airline passengers while justifying more of the same, I thought it was obvious that elected leaders should voice their outrage, too.

Why, I even believed that those public officials were free — no, obligated — to state their belief that the warden had no business supervising prisoners, the coach had no business guiding young athletes, and the professor had no business teaching our children — and that they could say these things, moreover, without jeopardizing whatever due process those individuals were entitled to as public employees who might be determined to hold onto their jobs.

That's how ignorant I was.

I stand corrected, thanks to Ward Churchill's attorneys and the media apologists for this week's verdict in favor of the former University of Colorado professor. And I am most grateful for the education.

It turns out that the proper political response to vile statements by a public employee is ... silence — or, at most, a bland and ambivalent expression of discontent.

One should never, for example, dub an outrageous statement "disgraceful" or suggest it brought "dishonor" to an institution. Both of those strong words were employed by CU's regents in response to Churchill's 9/11 essay glorifying terrorism, and we've been instructed that their use was a mistake. Worse than a mistake, actually: These expressions of opinion themselves became, through some strange alchemy that I still strain to understand, an assault on free speech.

A professor is free to say anything; public officials are, too, so long as they don't say much of anything about the professor.

That's why a governor dare not call for the head of a tenured professor, no matter how disturbing that person's views. Silence by the governor is the preferred option, but if he must say something, every phrase should be chosen with care.

Governors in need of a template that can be tweaked to cover almost any occasion might consider the following: "As chief executive of this state, I deplore professor so-and-so's support of genocide in Rwanda but have no opinion as to whether she is fit to continue teaching the history of central Africa at our flagship university. I am sure her superiors will take whatever action is appropriate, or no action at all if they feel like it. While I personally would never support genocide, I appreciate that others might disagree and await the just outcome that will surely put to rest this unfortunate controversy."

Public officials who feel debased by such an obtuse statement should ask their doctors to put them on heavy sedation so they can fulfill their duty: In the face of moral depravity, duck.

Who would have thought? It's certainly a shock to me, but I've been willing to learn and can now boast, in the words of Cool Hand Luke, that I got my mind right, too.

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_12068010


If you ask me, this is a perfect example of how political correctness has in so many ways, replaced common sense in America.

Ward Churchill is a pig... a disease... He is the poster boy for everything that is wrong with America today, yet the courts sided with him.

Smurf-Herder
04-05-2009, 01:06 AM
I wonder if Churchill will take this as a free pass to become even more outspoken. I don't think there will be anything to constrain him, in the current political climate.

Reality4u
04-05-2009, 03:54 AM
I wonder if Churchill will take this as a free pass to become even more outspoken. I don't think there will be anything to constrain him, in the current political climate.

When did America become hostage to scum bags like Churchill?

We all need to thank the liberal left in America, because they're the ones responsible for allowing scum like him to teach our children, and avoid taking responsibility for their words and actions.

Liberalism. Ain't it grand?

disrupter
04-05-2009, 05:12 AM
It isn't the fact that what he said wasn't repugnant,

it was that it was used as political cannon fodder to go on a witch hunt after him, to find some trivial [non-existent?] reason to fire him.

If our society is afraid of repugnant statements one has to wonder at our conviction about freedom of speech.

One also has to wonder if we have turned 911 from historical event to religious doctrine, & THAT would be very troubling indeed.

disrupter
04-05-2009, 05:14 AM
Anti-constitutional right wingers are the true scum that we need to protect our children & nation from.

Those who favor a police state without freedom of speech.

disrupter
04-05-2009, 05:15 AM
Reality4U is the true traitor & danger to America & its long standing values.

You ARE dirt & i am not afraid to tell you to your face.

Smurf-Herder
04-05-2009, 09:52 AM
Reality4U is the true traitor & danger to America & its long standing values.

You ARE dirt & i am not afraid to tell you to your face.

Okay Dis, chill.

He made a single post commenting on his opinion of a public figure and you don't need to post three, trying to bait him into an argument with personal insults.

disrupter
04-05-2009, 12:22 PM
Reality4U is the Anti-constitutional scum bag with the nerve to call other people scum bags.

He doesn't like that liberal rag we call the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

just like the other neocon Police state war-criminals.

Can you sit quietly by while America haters like these spout anti-constitutional bile?

Excuse me, i give a damn about America because i live here.

The US constitution is a LIBERAL document,

affirming many individual human rights & values & attempting to keep right wing dictatorial types from ruining LIBERAL DEMOCRACY.

These people are just vile,
& if you care about human survival, the power of free & commanding intellect one must of necessity reject their attempt to impose their self-righteous ignorance on other, innocent human beings.

Drop them off the edge of infinity & let them scream forever where they won't bother real & decent people.

Smurf-Herder
04-05-2009, 01:29 PM
Reality4U is the Anti-constitutional scum bag with the nerve to call other people scum bags.

He doesn't like that liberal rag we call the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

just like the other neocon Police state war-criminals.

Can you sit quietly by while America haters like these spout anti-constitutional bile?

Excuse me, i give a damn about America because i live here.

The US constitution is a LIBERAL document,

affirming many individual human rights & values & attempting to keep right wing dictatorial types from ruining LIBERAL DEMOCRACY.

These people are just vile,
& if you care about human survival, the power of free & commanding intellect one must of necessity reject their attempt to impose their self-righteous ignorance on other, innocent human beings.

Drop them off the edge of infinity & let them scream forever where they won't bother real & decent people.


He's commenting on a public figure. You don't have to go off on your usual rants attacking a member over it, as if it's a personal attack on you..

disrupter
04-05-2009, 01:43 PM
Liberal is not a pejorative,

it is an aspiration.

You can only wish for as much.

disrupter
04-05-2009, 01:47 PM
These people want to silence him, anyway they can,

because he does not spout their diatribe.

This is fundamentally anti-American & they need to be yanked by the short hairs about it.

It is only by having an active & free dialogue that we can hope to come up with better solutions & directions.

These very people want to suffocate free speech with social, political & legal pressures,

not only are they anti-American & anti-constitutional,

they are anti-logic & anti-survival because of it.

And that is Not acceptable, unless you are a mindless, suicidal, religious pack of dogs.

Reality4u
04-05-2009, 04:19 PM
These people want to silence him, anyway they can,

because he does not spout their diatribe.

This is fundamentally anti-American & they need to be yanked by the short hairs about it.

It is only by having an active & free dialogue that we can hope to come up with better solutions & directions.

These very people want to suffocate free speech with social, political & legal pressures,

not only are they anti-American & anti-constitutional,

they are anti-logic & anti-survival because of it.

And that is Not acceptable, unless you are a mindless, suicidal, religious pack of dogs.

You're wrong. I may not agree with his views, but I have never suggested that he not be allowed to express them, nor has anyone else. What you fail to recognize, is just because someone is free to express their opinions, doesn't mean that those opinions are automatically free from consequences.

Our society has made it impossible for employers to fire someone based on their character, which for the most part, I agree with. There are however, exceptions, and this case happens to be one of them. This man teaches our children, so the views he expresses DO matter. You can twist it anyway you like, but this isn't about trying to shut Churchill up. This is about how he incorporated his negative and hateful beliefs into his teachings, and how a university was helpless to do anything about it.

It's one thing to stand in the public square and preach hate and intolerance, because those passing by can choose to either listen, or walk away. But it's quite another when someone who is in charge of instilling knowledge in our children preaches those beliefs in a classroom, because they don't have the option of walking away.

I will say that I believe the university likely used the academic misconduct charges as a means to justify firing Churchill, and that's a shame... A shame that they couldn't have fired him because of the hate he was infecting our children with in his classroom.

disrupter
04-06-2009, 04:00 AM
How about infecting people with your OWN hate of Churchill,
is the very black right wing pot calling the kettle 'black' . . . . again?

Ron Paul has stated the fact that US foreign policy is not blameless for creating repercussions as has been duly noted by US intelligence agencies as well.

America & American policy is not the creation of saints,

And excess meddling in foreign governments creates blowback.

And when that meddling & violent invasion is simply to enrich a VERY few ultra-rich murder profiteers?

It is an inexcusable obscenity.

Your willful blindness to those facts is criminal. You are a reckless endangerment to our democracy just as the reckless bankers are an endangerment to our economy & legal system.

If your children haven't heard a single alternate perspective on 911, then YOU are guilty of criminal negligence.

For a supposedly 'intelligent' species, populace &/or individual, willful, neglectful ignorance is criminal.

False sainthood preached by many academics is at least as problematic as excess villainization.

You have been judged intellectually & found bankrupt.

But i suppose even vermin have offspring, which explains how something as reprehensible as you has children.

Reality4u
04-06-2009, 10:41 AM
Two questions:

1. What kind of medication are you on?
2. Why aren't you taking them?

Have a nice day "America sucks" conspiracy guy.

disrupter
04-06-2009, 09:47 PM
America doesn't suck,

you do.