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[Dale escondido]

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/556299.aspx

History is just a preview of the future

[Hog Trash]

This quote is from your link, Dale.On Saturday when Israel played Sweden in a Davis cup tennis match in Malmö, an estimated 6,000 Leftists, Arabs, Muslims and anarchists protested the Israeli presence in the city, and hundreds attacked police.When this starts happening here we won't have to worry about the police not reacting.

American citizens will be gunning these Islamic muslim pussies and their leftist liberal supporters, down in the streets.

It will be a beautiful site to see the blood of muslims flowing down the street and mixing with the blood of liberals in the gutters and draining into the sewers.

[bairdi]

This quote is from your link, Dale.When this starts happening here we won't have to worry about the police not reacting.

American citizens will be gunning these Islamic muslim pussies and their leftist liberal supporters, down in the streets.

It will be a beautiful site to see the blood of muslims flowing down the street and mixing with the blood of liberals in the gutters and draining into the sewers.
Did anyone ever tell you that you are a pretty sick individual?

[mwillman]

Hog Trash

you really need to get some help. You are a sociopath.

[Hog Trash]

Did anyone ever tell you that you are a pretty sick individual?Hog Trash

you really need to get some help. You are a sociopath.So is it your opinions that it is better to do as the Swedes are doing, which is either nothing or attempt to appease these savages?

Isn't it odd that you commented on me being a "sick individual" and a "sociopath", but nothing about the savagery of the muslims or liberals in Dale's link?

Hmmm?...This tells alot about where your loyalties reside.....Who really is the "sick individuals" and "sociopaths" here? :confused: :dunno:

[foxbaron]

How about this for Muslim protesters.

Shoot them with paint ball guns but instead of having paint in them balls why not fill them with pigs blood. Now that would be a hoot.

[Dale escondido]

Those who didnt get upset as Hog did probably didnt read the link.
How can one love their country and not be concerned with its future.
Just pretend the radical musliums were harming your children and see if you can understand ,sometimes a man has to be a man.
Anyone whos call another a sociopath has never met one.
No one here even comes close.

[bairdi]

So is it your opinions that it is better to do as the Swedes are doing, which is either nothing or attempt to appease these savages?

Isn't it odd that you commented on me being a "sick individual" and a "sociopath", but nothing about the savagery of the muslims or liberals in Dale's link?

Hmmm?...This tells alot about where your loyalties reside.....Who really is the "sick individuals" and "sociopaths" here? :confused: :dunno:
No it is not my opinion that it is better to do as the Swedes are doing. It is my opinion that anyone who says "It will be a beautiful site to see the blood of muslims flowing down the street and mixing with the blood of liberals in the gutters and draining into the sewers." is as sick as, if not sicker, than that which he condemns.

[Hog Trash]

No it is not my opinion that it is better to do as the Swedes are doing. It is my opinion that anyone who says "It will be a beautiful site to see the blood of muslims flowing down the street and mixing with the blood of liberals in the gutters and draining into the sewers." is as sick as, if not sicker, than that which he condemns.Typical do-nothing pussy liberal response....Are you to chicken-shit to put your two cents worth in?

Maybe you suggest we negotiate with them. We give up some of our rights and they give up some of their demands?

Why don't we just give them our constitution and allow them to make whatever adjustments they decide necessary?

Any motherfucker comes to my country and demands I adjust my laws to fit his religion and customs better be prepared to bleed.

In fact, he better not even suggest it....This ain't England and this ain't Sweden....This is the good ole USA brother.

Bring it on you little Islamic jihad muslim pussy motherfuckers....Hog and alot of other good ole boys are waitin for ya.

You riot on any US city block...I'll travel to get to you!...I'll go out of my way to soak the streets with your blood.

[The_Limit]

It will be a beautiful site to see the blood of muslims flowing down the street and mixing with the blood of liberals in the gutters and draining into the sewers.

Are you on crack old man?

[Dale escondido]

It sad we cant fight little fight and not have to fight the big ones.
Liberal ideologys think you can love your enemys to death.
I suggest watching one beheading and think some more about it.

[bairdi]

It sad we cant fight little fight and not have to fight the big ones.
Liberal ideologys think you can love your enemys to death.
I suggest watching one beheading and think some more about it.
As a self proclaimed liberal, I have no freakin idea as to what ideology you are talking about. The only liberal I have ever heard about who thought one should love one's enemy was some guy who walked the earth some 2000 years ago. And you would never guess what the fuckin conservatives did to him.

[Dale escondido]

As a self proclaimed liberal, I have no freakin idea as to what ideology you are talking about. The only liberal I have ever heard about who thought one should love one's enemy was some guy who walked the earth some 2000 years ago. And you would never guess what the fuckin conservatives did to him.

I have to think your just having fun with me.
What ideology?
Look at the ruling coming down from the liberal courts and the change of direction of our nation.
When muslim laws are the law of the land, watch how many liberal posts youll be allowed before they have a talk with you.

[bairdi]

I have to think your just having fun with me.
What ideology?
Look at the ruling coming down from the liberal courts and the change of direction of our nation.
When muslim laws are the law of the land, watch how many liberal posts youll be allowed before they have a talk with you.
Sounds a hell of a lot as to what neoconservatives and the Christian right wanted too. "Muslim law" is against everything we marxist, communist traitors hold dear.

[Dale escondido]

Sounds a hell of a lot as to what neoconservatives and the Christian right wanted too. "Muslim law" is against everything we marxist, communist traitors hold dear.

Well at least we seem to agree on what we dont want .

[BlackAsCoal]

This quote is from your link, Dale.When this starts happening here we won't have to worry about the police not reacting.

American citizens will be gunning these Islamic muslim pussies and their leftist liberal supporters, down in the streets.

It will be a beautiful site to see the blood of muslims flowing down the street and mixing with the blood of liberals in the gutters and draining into the sewers.

Seek therapy

[ROdger Right]

Seek protection bac, for something of the sort will happen

[Cat slave]

How about this for Muslim protesters.

Shoot them with paint ball guns but instead of having paint in them balls why not fill them with pigs blood. Now that would be a hoot.


ROTFL!!:lmao2: Ive thought for a long time that to "win" the war we should
just drop ham from airplanes along with a lot of porn for the guys and make
up kits for the gals and the whole culture would collapse!

I like the paint ball idea a lot!!!!

[Hog Trash]

Are you on crack old man?Seek therapyI'm hearing plenty of critisism of me, but still no outrage about what's happening in Sweden regarding the savagery of the Muslims and liberal leftist?

Originally Posted by Dale escondido

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http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/556299.aspx
On Saturday when Israel played Sweden in a Davis cup tennis match in Malmö, an estimated 6,000 Leftists, Arabs, Muslims and anarchists protested the Israeli presence in the city, and hundreds attacked police.Attacking the police.But despite Malmö's usually placid appearance, this experiment in multiculturalism has not gone well. In the Rosengaard section of Malmö, a housing project made up primarily of immigrants, fire and emergency workers will no longer enter without police protection.
Unemployment in Rosengaard is reported to be 70 percent. An immigrant-fueled crime wave affects one of every three Malmö families each year. The number of rapes has tripled in 20 years.Crime rate tripled.Jews Cannot Walk The Streets
Don't ask Malmö's Jews to give the city the same glowing assessment. Jews who dare walk the streets wearing their yarmulkes risk being beaten up.
Swede Ted Ekeroth helped film the Arab-Left counter-demonstrations. He saw Arabs throwing rocks at a 90-year-old holocaust survivor.

"I filmed the police chief and asked him why are they not reacting to this," Ekeroth said. "Why are they not doing anything? And he simply answered, 'It's their right according to the Swedish constitution.Stoning a 90 year old woman.
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In Sweden, the leftist have joined forces with the muslim savages. The Swedes who want to stop this violence are treated the same way as they are here.Fascist and Bigoted?

Swedish Democrats, who stand for traditional Christian values and limits on immigration, have been stigmatized by the Swedish media as fascist and bigoted.

Erik Almqvuist is national youth leader for the Swedish Democrats.

"The media has tried to portray us as extremists, racists," he said. "People think we're almost inhuman"

Almqvuist faces regular death threats, and was almost killed recently in a Left-wing knife attack.This sounds exactly like American liberals, don't you think?

What a beautiful, peaceful, safe and clean world we would have without liberals!

Like I said before, you motherfuckers don't even want to bring this shit to America. :thumbsup:

[Dale escondido]

This is coming and its good to know there are those who have our backs.
Lack of outrage is the same as agreement.
What a beautiful place earth would be if the left has their way.

[Moby]

It sad we cant fight little fight and not have to fight the big ones.
Liberal ideologys think you can love your enemys to death.
I suggest watching one beheading and think some more about it.
Where did you get such a crazy idea?

Which pundit put it there? I ask because I know there's no facts behind it.

[GetAClue]

As a self proclaimed liberal, I have no freakin idea as to what ideology you are talking about. The only liberal I have ever heard about who thought one should love one's enemy was some guy who walked the earth some 2000 years ago. And you would never guess what the fuckin conservatives did to him.

The only liberal I have ever heard about who thought one should love one's enemy was just elected to the White House!

[BlackAsCoal]

The only liberal I have ever heard about who thought one should love one's enemy was just elected to the White House!

:)

Calling Obama a liberal demonstrates programming, not intelligence.

You've been programmed to believe that bullshit.

Name the liberals in his cabinet?

Are you of the opinion that Wall Street would give more money to a liberal than they have ever given to a presidential candidate in history? Is that something you believe?

[Hog Trash]

Originally Posted by Dale escondido
It sad we cant fight little fight and not have to fight the big ones.
Liberal ideologys think you can love your enemys to death.
I suggest watching one beheading and think some more about it.Where did you get such a crazy idea?

Which pundit put it there? I ask because I know there's no facts behind it.Actualy you are kind of right Moby...Liberals don't actualy love our enemies.

It's more as if liberals support anyone who is anti-America, a lowlife, a pervert, or a bum.

I don't really believe there is any love involved...It's more the idea that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The liberals enemy being law, decency and America of course...It doesn't take a "pundit" to point out the obvious, einstein.

[BlackAsCoal]

Actualy you are kind of right Moby...Liberals don't actualy love our enemies.

It's more as if liberals support anyone who is anti-America, a lowlife, a pervert, or a bum.

I don't really believe there is any love involved...It's more the idea that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The liberals enemy being law, decency and America of course...It doesn't take a "pundit" to point out the obvious, einstein.

You people are completely braindead .. and you talk like children.

[Hog Trash]

You people are completely braindead .. and you talk like children.WOAAAH!.....Back the truck up!.....Did you just refer to us as "You People"? :lmao2:

[GetAClue]

:)

Calling Obama a liberal demonstrates programming, not intelligence.

You've been programmed to believe that bullshit.

Name the liberals in his cabinet?

Are you of the opinion that Wall Street would give more money to a liberal than they have ever given to a presidential candidate in history? Is that something you believe?

I was refering to your messiah! Where in that post did I mention his cabinet? If you want to play that game, name a cabinet member that is NOT a liberal!

It was BHO himself that stated that we needed to sit down and talk with our enemies to avoid armed conflict. Then just last week he proposed trying to "talk" with the Taliban to get them to side with us. Even the Taliban laughed at that idea.

[GetAClue]

:)

Calling Obama a liberal demonstrates programming, not intelligence.

You've been programmed to believe that bullshit.

Name the liberals in his cabinet?

Are you of the opinion that Wall Street would give more money to a liberal than they have ever given to a presidential candidate in history? Is that something you believe?

I was referring to your messiah! Where in that post did I mention his cabinet? If you want to play that game, name a cabinet member that is NOT a liberal!

It was BHO himself that stated that we needed to sit down and talk with our enemies to avoid armed conflict. Then just last week he proposed trying to "talk" with the Taliban to get them to side with us. Even the Taliban laughed at that idea.

[Hog Trash]

I was refering to your messiah! Where in that post did I mention his cabinet? If you want to play that game, name a cabinet member that is NOT a liberal!

It was BHO himself that stated that we needed to sit down and talk with our enemies to avoid armed conflict. Then just last week he proposed trying to "talk" with the Taliban to get them to side with us. Even the Taliban laughed at that idea.I worry that Obama would make 'behind closed door deals' with the Taliban and other muslim terrorist organizations and nations.

I believe the man may still have some muslim sympathies....There has been a huge Islamic influence in his life all along.

Islamic friends family and associates have been somehow involved in his social, political and educational development since birth.

The possibility may even exist that he's a sleeper....Who knows, stranger things have happened? :dunno:

He certainly doesn't want his original birth certificate made public for some strange reason? :confused:

[BlackAsCoal]

I was refering to your messiah! Where in that post did I mention his cabinet? If you want to play that game, name a cabinet member that is NOT a liberal!

It was BHO himself that stated that we needed to sit down and talk with our enemies to avoid armed conflict. Then just last week he proposed trying to "talk" with the Taliban to get them to side with us. Even the Taliban laughed at that idea.

First, not my messiah, not even the candidate I voted for.

Name a member of his cabinet who is not a liberal? Surely you didn't think that through before you asked it .. which is perhaps why you didn't answer the question.

Summers
Geithner
Clinton (think DLC before you speak)
Gates
Emmanuel
Duncan
Sebelius
Napolitano
Salazar
Holder

Every one of them center to right of center.

If talking to the "enemy" is your benchmark, then surely you'd consider Ronald Reagan a liberal. I would not. Reagan talked to the Iranians even before he became president.

You also avoided the question of Wall Street. Are you of the opinion that Wall Street .. which has a far better research aparatus than you ,, is in the habit of showering money on liberals?

On the question of the Taliban, he's bombing people in Pakistan as we speak, and threatens a wider war in his pursuit of ghosts/terrorists. His opposition on these foolish ideas is coming from the left/liberals .. where the opposition to many of his plans, such as on Social Security and war, is coming from within the Democratic Party.

He fucking agreed with FISA wiretapping of Americans.

He voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act and made Eric Holder, who helped to write it, his AG.

Obama is a centrist, thus his policies will swing on both sides of the fence.

He believes "leadership" can be found in the wind.

[The_Limit]

I worry that Obama would make 'behind closed door deals' with the Taliban and other muslim terrorist organizations and nations.

I believe the man may still have some muslim sympathies....There has been a huge Islamic influence in his life all along.

Islamic friends family and associates have been somehow involved in his social, political and educational development since birth.

The possibility may even exist that he's a sleeper....Who knows, stranger things have happened? :dunno:

He certainly doesn't want his original birth certificate made public for some strange reason? :confused:

Wow. Dumbest claim of the year. Obama as a sleeper cell terrorist that somehow escaped the eyes of the worlds most powerful intelligence agencies boggles the mind.

You realize your views are right up there with the 9/11 truthers.

By the way, the birth certificate thing has been discredited over and over again, most notably by the guy who originally pushed it.

[BlackAsCoal]

WOAAAH!.....Back the truck up!.....Did you just refer to us as "You People"? :lmao2:

Hmmm .. let me look ..

YUP, it says "you people."

Are you under the impression that meant "you white people?"

Perhaps I should have further qualified it with "you stupid people."

;)

Feel better?

[Hog Trash]

Hmmm .. let me look ..

YUP, it says "you people."

Are you under the impression that meant "you white people?"

Perhaps I should have further qualified it with "you stupid people."

;)

Feel better?I was only fuckin with you BAC. :lmao2: Sorry, I just couldn't resist. :angel:

PS: I will remember your rationale though next time I get accused of racism for saying "you people".

[BlackAsCoal]

I was only fuckin with you BAC. :lmao2: Sorry, I just couldn't resist. :angel:

PS: I will remember your rationale though next time I get accused of racism for saying "you people".

;)

Cool .. and if your reference to "you people" isn't stated in a racist way ..I'll defend you brother.

[Hog Trash]

;)

Cool .. and if your reference to "you people" isn't stated in a racist way ..I'll defend you brother.I myself have never heard "you people" used in a racist manor....As you stated before, it is used to refer to a certain group of people.Are you under the impression that meant "you white people?"

Perhaps I should have further qualified it with "you stupid people."It is usually regarded as "racist" by people who want to avoid discussion of the truth by means of this Politicaly Correct tool.

A form of exceptable censorship....A means by which to give one group of people the upper hand by restricting the free speech of the other group.

[GetAClue]

Every one of them center to right of center.


To the right of you maybe, not to true conservatives.


If talking to the "enemy" is your benchmark, then surely you'd consider Ronald Reagan a liberal. I would not. Reagan talked to the Iranians even before he became president.


And I believe he learned from that mistake.


You also avoided the question of Wall Street. Are you of the opinion that Wall Street .. which has a far better research aparatus than you ,, is in the habit of showering money on liberals?


Wall Street has a habit of showing money on WHO they think will benifit them. I also believe that sometimes, they get caught up in the hype and end up regretting their decisions in their political choices.


On the question of the Taliban, he's bombing people in Pakistan as we speak, and threatens a wider war in his pursuit of ghosts/terrorists. His opposition on these foolish ideas is coming from the left/liberals .. where the opposition to many of his plans, such as on Social Security and war, is coming from within the Democratic Party.


Still does not change the fact that he proposed negotiating with the Taliban.


He fucking agreed with FISA wiretapping of Americans.

He voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act and made Eric Holder, who helped to write it, his AG.


Everyone gets one right now and then, you know, Blind Hog - acorn thing.



He believes "leadership" can be found in the wind.

Say what? Is this a direct quote from him?

[Hog Trash]

Wow. Dumbest claim of the year. Obama as a sleeper cell terrorist that somehow escaped the eyes of the worlds most powerful intelligence agencies boggles the mind.

You realize your views are right up there with the 9/11 truthers.If you read carefully you will see that I said "possibly" and "stranger things have happened"....I'm sure you're aware I have a very low opinion of the man.

By the way, the birth certificate thing has been discredited over and over again, most notably by the guy who originally pushed it.Oh really?....I wasn't aware of that?....I would love to see it?....Do you have a link?

[The_Limit]

If you read carefully you will see that I said "possibly" and "stranger things have happened"....I'm sure you're aware I have a very low opinion of the man.

Oh really?....I wasn't aware of that?....I would love to see it?....Do you have a link?


Glad to see you backtracking from fantastic hypothesis' by stating you said 'possibly' and 'stranger things have happened.'

Here let me try your debating mechanism: Maybe you, Hog Trash, are 'possibly' an undercover agent for the church of Scientology who reports his findings directly to Tom Cruise for highly classified intelligence briefings on Sundays. Who knows, 'stranger things have happened.'


2. You have to do own your own homework sir. Its very easy to find this information.

[Binky]

ROTFL!!:lmao2: Ive thought for a long time that to "win" the war we should
just drop ham from airplanes along with a lot of porn for the guys and make
up kits for the gals and the whole culture would collapse!

I like the paint ball idea a lot!!!!


:lmao2: :lmao2: Actually, that's not a bad idea, Cat. It would sure give a great distraction. Shower them with things they aren't allowed. WoW! That would prob'ly end the war. Or at the very least, buy the time for us to get the hell out of peaceably and intact.

[Binky]

Typical do-nothing pussy liberal response....Are you to chicken-shit to put your two cents worth in?

Maybe you suggest we negotiate with them. We give up some of our rights and they give up some of their demands?

Why don't we just give them our constitution and allow them to make whatever adjustments they decide necessary?

Any motherfucker comes to my country and demands I adjust my laws to fit his religion and customs better be prepared to bleed.

In fact, he better not even suggest it....This ain't England and this ain't Sweden....This is the good ole USA brother.

Bring it on you little Islamic jihad muslim pussy motherfuckers....Hog and alot of other good ole boys are waitin for ya.

You riot on any US city block...I'll travel to get to you!...I'll go out of my way to soak the streets with your blood.


Take lots of help with you Hog.

[Binky]

WOAAAH!.....Back the truck up!.....Did you just refer to us as "You People"? :lmao2:


:lmao2: :lmao2: Ahhh..........there you go again Hog, I can see you now in my minds eye, stirring a turd in the big 'ol turd pot. :lmao2:

[Binky]

;)

Cool .. and if your reference to "you people" isn't stated in a racist way ..I'll defend you brother.


Glad the two of you made up. Yea! :p

[Binky]

Glad to see you backtracking from fantastic hypothesis' by stating you said 'possibly' and 'stranger things have happened.'

Here let me try your debating mechanism: Maybe you, Hog Trash, are 'possibly' an undercover agent for the church of Scientology who reports his findings directly to Tom Cruise for highly classified intelligence briefings on Sundays. Who knows, 'stranger things have happened.'


2. You have to do own your own homework sir. Its very easy to find this information.


hmmm......so easy to locate the info, yet not once has it actually been proven. Still, it is interesting. And I've done MY homework and still didn't find out the actual truth.

[The_Limit]

hmmm......so easy to locate the info, yet not once has it actually been proven. Still, it is interesting. And I've done MY homework and still didn't find out the actual truth.

Actually yes it has. Multiple times.

[Hog Trash]

Glad to see you backtracking from fantastic hypothesis' by stating you said 'possibly' and 'stranger things have happened.'No "backtracking" was necessary...It was right there all along young man...You must learn to understand what is written so we don't have to waste time correcting you.Here let me try your debating mechanism: Maybe you, Hog Trash, are 'possibly' an undercover agent for the church of Scientology who reports his findings directly to Tom Cruise for highly classified intelligence briefings on Sundays. Who knows, 'stranger things have happened.'Yes, but if this was true and I told you, I would then have to kill you. :winkwink:2. You have to do own your own homework sir. Its very easy to find this information.Really?...Al the Obamanauts make the same claim as you but none of them seem to be able to produce this elusive document.

If you could come through on this one you would be a hero to Obamanauts the world over...Famous beyond your wildest dreams!

[Binky]

Actually yes it has. Multiple times.


If you say so. That's why there are still a couple of suits out there to get him to disclose the info.

[The_Limit]

No "backtracking" was necessary...It was right there all along young man...You must learn to understand what is written so we don't have to waste time correcting you.Yes, but if this was true and I told you, I would then have to kill you. :winkwink:Really?...Al the Obamanauts make the same claim as you but none of them seem to be able to produce this elusive document.

If you could come through on this one you would be a hero to Obamanauts the world over...Famous beyond your wildest dreams!

You're lucky I have the time. Otherwise I wouldn't directly provide with the information. Its not my job to do another man's homework.

First thing is first. The author who peddled around the claim that 'Obama was not born in the United Stated' was Jerome Corsi. Corsi has authored a couple books. Most notable 'unfit for command,' the book which attacked Jon Kerry and 'Obama Nation.'

He is a wacko personality with no creditability whatsoever. Neither from the left, right or the silent majority. So it seems baffling to me, anyone with a hint of seriousness would peddle his claims.

Too add even more prestige to his illustrious 'career' Corsi has managed to rack up a plagarism accusation from Debbie Schlussel. Corsi would actually copy chunks of her work and try to pass them off as his own on World Net Daily.

He is by all accounts a 9/11 truther.

He has called for the impeachment of George Bush.

But never mind his crazy career.

Factcheck.org staff has seen, felt, smelled and touched a copy of Obama's birth certificate. Fact check has come to the same conclusion several other serious institutions or just objective observers have reached; Obama is a natural citizen of the United States.

Its not because they wanted to, or had an agenda to prove. Its because the evidence dictated the conclusion.

Read the report here: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

[Smurf-Herder]

You're lucky I have the time. Otherwise I wouldn't directly provide with the information. Its not my job to do another man's homework.

First thing is first. The author who peddled around the claim that 'Obama was not born in the United Stated' was Jerome Corsi. Corsi has authored a couple books. Most notable 'unfit for command,' the book which attacked Jon Kerry and 'Obama Nation.'

He is a wacko personality with no creditability whatsoever. Neither from the left, right or the silent majority. So it seems baffling to me, anyone with a hint of seriousness would peddle his claims.

Too add even more prestige to his illustrious 'career' Corsi has managed to rack up a plagarism accusation from Debbie Schlussel. Corsi would actually copy chunks of her work and try to pass them off as his own on World Net Daily.

He is by all accounts a 9/11 truther.

He has called for the impeachment of George Bush.

But never mind his crazy career.

Factcheck.org staff has seen, felt, smelled and touched a copy of Obama's birth certificate. Fact check has come to the same conclusion several other serious institutions or just objective observers have reached; Obama is a natural citizen of the United States.

Its not because they wanted to, or had an agenda to prove. Its because the evidence dictated the conclusion.

Read the report here: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Corsi did research his work though. At least on the Kerry book. 700 footnotes and interviews with 250 guys who served with Kerry, at one point or another.

I haven't read either book though, and don't quote from him personally; because I know he's black-balled by the left.

[The_Limit]

Corsi did research his work though. At least on the Kerry book. 700 footnotes and interviews with 250 guys who served with Kerry, at one point or another.

I haven't read either book though, and don't quote from him personally; because I know he's black-balled by the left.

If you copy someone else's work and pass it off as your own, you should be blackballed.

[Dale escondido]

Where did you get such a crazy idea?

Which pundit put it there? I ask because I know there's no facts behind it.

I have told you multiple times I dont listen to them.
I come up with this shit on my own:taunt:
Who do you suggest?:disbelief:


Liberal compassion fills death row with those who should be executed.
releases pedafiles as reformed, creates sanctuary citys so law enforcement cant enforce fed laws.
Liberals love drugs and sex of all kinds or any kind.
Liberals are lost in ideologies that only work in a perfect world.
Liberals cant see the impact of their deeds, only their ideas.

[Smurf-Herder]

If you copy someone else's work and pass it off as your own, you should be blackballed.

Like Joe Biden?

The Write Stuff?
Why Biden's plagiarism shouldn't be forgotten.

http://www.slate.com/id/2198543/

[The_Limit]

Like Joe Biden?

The Write Stuff?
Why Biden's plagiarism shouldn't be forgotten.

http://www.slate.com/id/2198543/


Definitely. But then again. Joe is a politician. Not an academic.

Put it this way. I take plagairism charges very seriously. For example if Obama was found - undeniably - to have copied his books, my personal conviction would want him to step down as president.

Theres just something down right sneaky and underhanded like passing off someone else's work as your own.

Its an unforgivable sin in my book.

But I don't have the gold, so I don't make the rules.

[Hog Trash]

You're lucky I have the time. Otherwise I wouldn't directly provide with the information. Its not my job to do another man's homework.

First thing is first. The author who peddled around the claim that 'Obama was not born in the United Stated' was Jerome Corsi. Corsi has authored a couple books. Most notable 'unfit for command,' the book which attacked Jon Kerry and 'Obama Nation.'

He is a wacko personality with no creditability whatsoever. Neither from the left, right or the silent majority. So it seems baffling to me, anyone with a hint of seriousness would peddle his claims.

Too add even more prestige to his illustrious 'career' Corsi has managed to rack up a plagarism accusation from Debbie Schlussel. Corsi would actually copy chunks of her work and try to pass them off as his own on World Net Daily.

He is by all accounts a 9/11 truther.

He has called for the impeachment of George Bush.

But never mind his crazy career.

Factcheck.org staff has seen, felt, smelled and touched a copy of Obama's birth certificate. Fact check has come to the same conclusion several other serious institutions or just objective observers have reached; Obama is a natural citizen of the United States.

Its not because they wanted to, or had an agenda to prove. Its because the evidence dictated the conclusion.

Read the report here: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.htmlI'm not buying it and neither should you....That's not a Birth Certificate....It's a Certification of Birth.....No hospital is named. No delivering doctor is named. Bare minimum information. No way to check the facts....I have a very irresponsible son who has lost his BC countless times...Every copy we get has complete birth information as it was created when he was born....Obama's Certification of Birth instead of Birth Certificate was intentionaly requested because of it's lack of information which would make varification possible....Obama has made extaordinary efforts, not to mention his legal fees, to make sure his original Birth Certificate never gets made public. Why???The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.htmlDo you know why the State of Hawaii won't release it?...They're not aloud to release it without permission of Barrack Obama...It's the law.

Maybe he was born in Hawaii!...But the fact that he absolutely refuses to produce his Birth Certificate makes me suspicious as hell.

Stop making excuses and start asking why!...This is how Obama has gotten away with so much.

People like him so much they have lost the ability to be objective....Blind loyalty.

They WANT to believe so badly that they ignore the obvious....Snap out of it!

[The_Limit]

I'm not buying it and neither should you....That's not a Birth Certificate....It's a Certification of Birth.....No hospital is named. No delivering doctor is named. Bare minimum information. No way to check the facts....I have a very irresponsible son who has lost his BC countless times...Every copy we get has complete birth information as it was created when he was born....Obama's Certification of Birth instead of Birth Certificate was intentionaly requested because of it's lack of information which would make varification possible....Obama has made extaordinary efforts, not to mention his legal fees, to make sure his original Birth Certificate never gets made public. Why???Do you know why the State of Hawaii won't release it?...They're not aloud to release it without permission of Barrack Obama...It's the law.

Maybe he was born in Hawaii!...But the fact that he absolutely refuses to produce his Birth Certificate makes me suspicious as hell.

Stop making excuses and start asking why!...This is how Obama has gotten away with so much.

People like him so much they have lost the ability to be objective....Blind loyalty.

They WANT to believe so badly that they ignore the obvious....Snap out of it!

There is no distinction per se between birth certificate and certificate of birth both say what hoemtown the recepient was born in, in Obama's case, Honolulu.

Different municipalities have different rules and issue varying cards of all titles, heads, sub-heads, ie. You're grasping at straws by peddling a 9/11 truther and proven plagarist like Jerome Corsio.

Fact check's conclusions are there for all to see. Obama is a natural citizen and was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.

Last time I checked, Honolulu is in the U.S.A. So it wouldn't matter what Hospital he was born in as long as it was in Honolulu, which he was.

Case closed.

[Hog Trash]

There is no distinction between birth certificate and certificate of birth. Different municipalities have different rules and issue varying cards of all titles, heads, sub-heads, ie. You're grasping at straws by peddling a 9/11 truther and proven plagarist like Jerome Corsio.

Fact check's conclusions are there for all to see. Obama is a natural citizen. Case closed.You obviously didn't read your own "Fact Check" link....There's a big distinction between Birth Certificate and Certification of Birth.

Like most liberals, you are too far gone to see the truth....You are one of the many loyal raptured sheep who blindly follow Obama.

[The_Limit]

You obviously didn't read your own "Fact Check" link....There's a big distinction between Birth Certificate and Certification of Birth.

Like most liberals, you are too far gone to see the truth....You are one of the many loyal raptured sheep who blindly follow Obama.

You should try reading it again. The birth certificate reveals details like ie, the hospital one was born in. It differs in details, but not in generalities.

For example, fact check makes a clear conclusion. Both certificates would still have the same hometown - Honolulu.

Like I said, that city resides in Hawaii, which is a state in the United States.

Until you can procure evidence proving beyond a doubt Obama was not born in Honolulu or that Hawaii is not in the United States, you'll be grouped with the plagarisits and 9/11 truthers of the world.


2. As for your personal comments, there is no need to respond.

When left with nothing substantive to contribute, the usual course of the lazy is to hurl insults.

[MintJulep]

Factcheck.org staff has seen, felt, smelled and touched a copy of Obama's birth certificate. Fact check has come to the same conclusion several other serious institutions or just objective observers have reached; Obama is a natural citizen of the United States.

Its not because they wanted to, or had an agenda to prove. Its because the evidence dictated the conclusion.

Read the report here: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
BTW, Factcheck.org is a left-leaning operation. Just had to mention that since you seem under the impression they are "objective".

[Hog Trash]

You should try reading it again. The birth certificate reveals details like ie, the hospital one was born in. It differs in details, but not in generalities.
And what hospital does your Certificate of Birth say Obama was born in???

[The_Limit]

BTW, Factcheck.org is a left-leaning operation. Just had to mention that since you seem under the impression they are "objective".

I have no clue whether it is a left-leaning, right-leaning, or nutty operation leaning institution or not.

It does not matter one way or another. Your opinion or my opinion, your two cents or my two cents won't change much.

What does matter is if the article and the methods they employed to report on this subject merits creditability.

They asked for and requested every relevant document required to write an informative article on this matter.

According to the evidence available, his hometown is Honolulu.

The onus is on you guys - the skeptics - so to speak, to prove and find concrete evidence to prove...

a) Honolulu is not an American city.

b) Someone forged his documents and wrote Honolulu in the hometown identifier.

[Hog Trash]

You should try reading it again. The birth certificate reveals details like ie, the hospital one was born in. And what hospital does your Certificate of Birth say Obama was born in???TheLimit has not said what hospital Obama was born in yet?...Is there a problem young man?...Have you hit a brick wall?...Wonder why Obama doesn't want this known?

Are you maybe becoming aware that there's not as much info as you first thought was there?.....Before Obama, was you ever concerned about who was the POTUS?
1. Barack Obama was likely born in Honolulu, the hospital still unknown for some reason (why won’t he say?), on Aug. 4, 1961.
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-likely-born-in-hawaii/

[The_Limit]

TheLimit has not said what hospital Obama was born in yet?...Is there a problem young man?...Have you hit a brick wall?...Wonder why Obama doesn't want this known?

Are you maybe becoming aware that there's not as much info as you first thought was there?.....Before Obama, was you ever concerned about who was the POTUS?

Again, I do not care nor am I interested in which hospital inside Honolulu Obama was born in.

It simply does not matter. All evidence points to the fact he was born in Honolulu - which is what really matters. As long as it was inside the city, Corsi's claims fall completely apart.

By the way, the peddling of the claims of a known plagiarist like Corsi do not impress me.

[Moby]

I'm not buying it and neither should you....
The insanity continues. :lmao2:

I can read the headlines now.

47 Year Old Conspiracy Exposed By Hog Trash :disbelief:

They took on the Neoconservative media.
They insisted the help of the newspapers 47 years ago.
They've bribed everyone in the Hawaii state government.
They were able to beat the entire GOP media machine.
They got a man elected President.

It's all exposed now because Hog Trash knows what Hawaii Birth Certificate looks like and the people behind the conspiracy didn't think to check :lmao2:

It's just too insane.

[Hog Trash]

The insanity continues. :lmao2:

I can read the headlines now.

47 Year Old Conspiracy Exposed By Hog Trash :disbelief:

They took on the Neoconservative media.
They insisted the help of the newspapers 47 years ago.
They've bribed everyone in the Hawaii state government.
They were able to beat the entire GOP media machine.
They got a man elected President.

It's all exposed now because Hog Trash knows what Hawaii Birth Certificate looks like and the people behind the conspiracy didn't think to check :lmao2:

It's just too insane.And none of this seems a little fishy to you?

I don't believe it would matter to the Obamanauts if he was born in Africa.

I'm more amazed about people's apathy than whether or not Obama was actualy born here.

What if the subject of this controversy had been Bush or Cheney or some other Republican?....You still OK with it?

I don't know what the birth certificate from every state looks like but I do know what information their suppose to contain.

Expose a conspiracy?....That would be great, but I don't really think I'll be around in 47 years, sherlock.

[Smurf-Herder]

The insanity continues. :lmao2:

I can read the headlines now.

47 Year Old Conspiracy Exposed By Hog Trash :disbelief:

They took on the Neoconservative media.
They insisted the help of the newspapers 47 years ago.
They've bribed everyone in the Hawaii state government.
They were able to beat the entire GOP media machine.
They got a man elected President.

It's all exposed now because Hog Trash knows what Hawaii Birth Certificate looks like and the people behind the conspiracy didn't think to check :lmao2:

It's just too insane.


I think the Birth Certificate issue should be dropped.

We have to resign ourselves to our fate. And work with what we have. There is and will be far more serious specifics to deal with ......... before all hope is gone.

[Dale escondido]

I am not sure he was actually born.
Hes a culmination of every left leaning concept put into one entity then Obama appeared.
As Smurf said we have to deal with it.
We have to find its archilles heel.
Kryptonite wood stakes or crosses:lmao2:
I believe spending money will bring the demise of the beast.

[Smurf-Herder]

I am not sure he was actually born.
Hes a culmination of every left leaning concept put into one entity then Obama appeared.
As Smurf said we have to deal with it.
We have to find its archilles heel.
Kryptonite wood stakes or crosses:lmao2:
I believe spending money will bring the demise of the beast.

It's destiny.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_91s-Zkod9Gc/SZ25gm4Y9tI/AAAAAAAAErg/mwR6XnrdreY/S1600-R/obama_cylon02.png

By deal with it, I'm thinking of each of us having our own way to survive what's coming.

[Hog Trash]

It's destiny.

By deal with it, I'm thinking of each of us having our own way to survive what's coming.I think I'll deal with it by investing.....Kool-Aid seems to be the only thing doing well right now.....Hell, I might get filthy stinkin rich. :cool:

[Moby]

I think the Birth Certificate issue should be dropped.
Actually it's hilarious and a perfect example of how people will believe ANYTHING that they hear on the radio or see on TV. Suddenly people that have never seen a Hawaiian Birth Certificate are now experts on what one looks like. Yet no one at the Hawaii Department Of Health seems to know that it's fake.

People are so uneducated on the issue that they think a birth certificates from all states look the same and have the same information on them. How ignorant on the issue do you have to be to believe this?

What better example, I mean other then Hog's own statement that he believes anything he hears about Obama without facts, then this subject to support the sheep mentality of those that follow pundits?

Remember how this started. It was a right wing pundit from World Net Daily that sent an email, not even a letter, requesting a copy of another man's birth certificate. He then told the blind sheep that he should have gotten it and now you have them mindlessly, blindly following.

It's one of the world's best examples of how the sheep will follow anything that they're told to follow. It should never go away. It should be taught in history class for generations so that Americans learn from their mistakes.

[Hog Trash]

Actually it's hilarious and a perfect example of how people will believe ANYTHING that they hear on the radio or see on TV. Suddenly people that have never seen a Hawaiian Birth Certificate are now experts on what one looks like. Yet no one at the Hawaii Department Of Health seems to know that it's fake.

People are so uneducated on the issue that they think a birth certificates from all states look the same and have the same information on them. How ignorant on the issue do you have to be to believe this?

What better example, I mean other then Hog's own statement that he believes anything he hears about Obama without facts, then this subject to support the sheep mentality of those that follow pundits?

Remember how this started. It was a right wing pundit from World Net Daily that sent an email, not even a letter, requesting a copy of another man's birth certificate. He then told the blind sheep that he should have gotten it and now you have them mindlessly, blindly following.

It's one of the world's best examples of how the sheep will follow anything that they're told to follow. It should never go away. It should be taught in history class for generations so that Americans learn from their mistakes.Are you 100% positive sure you can read? :confused:

If so, are you 100% positive sure you understand what you read? :confused:

Were you able to read and understand what I just wrote? :confused:

Blink one time for yes and twice for no! :hammer:

[Dale escondido]

Even if we found out obama wasnt eligible to be president we couldnt fix it now.
The love in has started, everyone high and the musics too loud.

[Smurf-Herder]

Even if we found out obama wasnt eligible to be president we couldnt fix it now.
The love in has started, everyone high and the musics too loud.

That's my point - it doesn't matter now. Our fate is sealed as a nation.

But individually we can find ways to survive.

[Smurf-Herder]

I think I'll deal with it by investing.....Kool-Aid seems to be the only thing doing well right now.....Hell, I might get filthy stinkin rich. :cool:


I'm hiding away cash for the day I decide it's safer to leave the country ... before it's no longer possible.

[Dale escondido]

I'm hiding away cash for the day I decide it's safer to leave the country ... before it's no longer possible.

Your cash will be great for starting fires in you rural fireplace.
I suggest paying off residences with cash before you have to figure out what to do with paper no one wants.

[Smurf-Herder]

Your cash will be great for starting fires in you rural fireplace.
I suggest paying off residences with cash before you have to figure out what to do with paper no one wants.

The idea is to have the cash in hand, to be able to buy survival necessities as the time to leave approaches - before it's worthless. Not knowing yet exactly what circumstances will dictate exactly which items will be required.

Even in Canada, depending on how this goes down, it might still be a good idea to stay away from population concentrations. There's a lot of wilderness in Canada, and fewer "security forces".

I wasn't talking about taking the money with me.

[Dale escondido]

The idea is to have the cash in hand, to be able to buy survival necessities as the time to leave approaches - before it's worthless. Not knowing yet exactly what circumstances will dictate exactly which items will be required.

Even in Canada, depending on how this goes down, it might still be a good idea to stay away from population concentrations. There's a lot of wilderness in Canada, and fewer "security forces".

I wasn't talking about taking the money with me.

I was kidding, this wont happen that quick IMO.
I also think there will be some better times coming for a while.
Kinda a short term payoff for all the spending.
Me I like rural kansas, good earth, good people and big spaces.
Gold, silver and ammunition, all good currency when the money is worthless.

[Smurf-Herder]

I was kidding, this wont happen that quick IMO.
I also think there will be some better times coming for a while.
Kinda a short term payoff for all the spending.
Me I like rural kansas, good earth, good people and big spaces.
Gold, silver and ammunition, all good currency when the money is worthless.

I think we'll have a short-lived natual recovery, until Obama's taxes and inflation hit. Then everything goes down the tubes.

[Dale escondido]

I think we'll have a short-lived natual recovery, until Obama's taxes and inflation hit. Then everything goes down the tubes.

Yes, but when your aware the time is valueable.

[bairdi]

Why don't you guys just do us all a favor and pack up your stuff, form a caravan with each other and get the f*&^ out of here now. Please don't forget to pack up your paranoia while you're at it. I know a great place in Guyana where you can go and hide out. :lmao2:

[Smurf-Herder]

Why don't you guys just do us all a favor and pack up your stuff, form a caravan with each other and get the f*&^ out of here now. Please don't forget to pack up your paranoia while you're at it. I know a great place in Guyana where you can go and hide out. :lmao2:

It'll make me feel so good knowing people like you will be caught totally by surprise.

[Binky]

I'm hiding away cash for the day I decide it's safer to leave the country ... before it's no longer possible.


You'd better hide a huge amount of cash since the value of the dollar is dropping very quickly, it isn't going to be worth squat in a short time. It could end up costing you a million dollars just to get there. LOL! :p

[Smurf-Herder]

You'd better hide a huge amount of cash since the value of the dollar is dropping very quickly, it isn't going to be worth squat in a short time. It could end up costing you a million dollars just to get there. LOL! :p

At this point, I'm only thinking in terms of enough for fishing, hunting and camping equipment. A laptop with WiFi, a hand-crank radio and a solar-powered battery charger. The fundamentals for survival, information and communication.

Hopefully by the time things get really bad, there will be underground groups organizing, so I won't be going it alone.

[mwillman]

I love conspiracy survivalists. If it weren't for you guys the religious right would be the craziest of the right wingers and that's kind of sad because religion at least has a certain nobility.

[ROdger Right]

haha we shall see if the ability to fend for yourself will be a bad idea.

[Hog Trash]

I love conspiracy survivalists. If it weren't for you guys the religious right would be the craziest of the right wingers and that's kind of sad because religion at least has a certain nobility.You think anyone who prepares for a disaster is crazy???....What an idiot you are!

If you live in an earthquake zone you prepare...If you live in a hurricaine zone you prepare.

It is better to prepare unnecessarily than to be unprepared when it becomes necessary.

The reason we are in this mess is because liberals aren't smart enough to foresee disaster.

[Dale escondido]

Why don't you guys just do us all a favor and pack up your stuff, form a caravan with each other and get the f*&^ out of here now. Please don't forget to pack up your paranoia while you're at it. I know a great place in Guyana where you can go and hide out. :lmao2:

No well stick here.
While all you unprepared and lost souls will be praying for your government to save you, we will save the country.

And we will let you stay, just keep your thoughts to yourself for a while.

[Hog Trash]

No well stick here.
While all you unprepared and lost souls will be praying for your government to save you, we will save the country.

And we will let you stay, just keep your thoughts to yourself for a while.What the hell....I'll let them stay as long as they stay far far away....A liberal's stynch is disgusting.

I suppose if times get too bad we could eat them...I can't think of anything else liberals would be useful for although they probably taste like shit.

[Dale escondido]

What the hell....I'll let them stay as long as they stay far far away....A liberal's stynch is disgusting.

I suppose if times get too bad we could eat them...I can't think of anything else liberals would be useful for although they probably taste like shit.

They wont be hard to spot as they will be carring signs not guns.
As far as eatting, yuck. What if liberalism is contagious?

[Smurf-Herder]

I love conspiracy survivalists. If it weren't for you guys the religious right would be the craziest of the right wingers and that's kind of sad because religion at least has a certain nobility.


I'm not a "survivalist".

I just plan on trying to survive, if things go really bad. Right now all I'm doing is saving money.

[StevenC]

bump..........

[Dale escondido]

I'm not a "survivalist".

I just plan on trying to survive, if things go really bad. Right now all I'm doing is saving money.

Why is being prepared is seen as being an alarmist?
What if the government isnt there to help you?
Or worse government becomes the enemy:p

[Smurf-Herder]

Or worse government becomes the enemy:p

This possibility is exactly what I see coming - after the civil unrest.

And IMO, the goal of the manipulated civil unrest.

Remember - Order out of Chaos.

[Dale escondido]

This possibility is exactly what I see coming - after the civil unrest.

And IMO, the goal of the manipulated civil unrest.

Remember - Order out of Chaos.

This admin does seem able to turn their mistakes to victories.
The aig bonuses first seems like a mistake then turns to a challenge to the constitution with public support.
Maybe all the recruiting for the military while not allowing the lifers to stay is to change the face of our forces.( thats gotta be a racist comment:lmao2: )

[Smurf-Herder]

This admin does seem able to turn their mistakes to victories.
The aig bonuses first seems like a mistake then turns to a challenge to the constitution with public support.


That seems to be the overall calculated strategy, in more areas than one.

It's "The Hegelian Dialectic"

What is the Hegelian Dialectic?

In 1847 the London Communist League (Karl Marx and Frederick Engels) used Hegel's theory of the dialectic to back up their economic theory of communism. Now, in the 21st century, Hegelian-Marxist thinking affects our entire social and political structure. The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision. When we remain locked into dialectical thinking, we cannot see out of the box.

Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Every time we fight for or defend against an ideology we are playing a necessary role in Marx and Engels' grand design to advance humanity into a dictatorship of the proletariat. The synthetic Hegelian solution to all these conflicts can't be introduced unless we all take a side that will advance the agenda. The Marxist's global agenda is moving along at breakneck speed. The only way to completely stop the privacy invasions, expanding domestic police powers, land grabs, insane wars against inanimate objects (and transient verbs), covert actions, and outright assaults on individual liberty, is to step outside the dialectic. This releases us from the limitations of controlled and guided thought.

When we understand what motivated Hegel, we can see his influence on all of our destinies. ... Hegelian conflicts steer every political arena on the planet, from the United Nations to the major American political parties, all the way down to local school boards and community councils. Dialogues and consensus-building are primary tools of the dialectic, and terror and intimidation are also acceptable formats for obtaining the goal. The ultimate Third Way agenda is world government. Once we get what's really going on, we can cut the strings and move our lives in original directions outside the confines of the dialectical madness. Focusing on Hegel's and Engel's ultimate agenda, and avoiding getting caught up in their impenetrable theories of social evolution, gives us the opportunity to think and act our way toward freedom, justice, and genuine liberty for all.

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm

[Dale escondido]

What is funny about this stuff is you almost have to reach a point where you dont give a shit about most stuff and only focus on a few items.
My daughter and I dont get along as she is an extreme environmentalist.
I argued with her once as these groups support each other causes and are always against something.
I called her a shotgun environmentalist. I said if you change one thing in your life that would be an accomplishment.
The advise I gave my daughter would be well applied to self.
All the posistions that polarize us keep us from being effective in our own lives.
Maybe the world is intended to be ran by sociopaths, as they dont care about anything or one but self.
That puts them in control when they reach posistions of power.