Impeach This Clown: Sign the Petition Before it's Too Late!

[SeniorChief]

http://www.obamaimpeachment.org/impeachobamapetition.html

[BlackAsCoal]

http://www.obamaimpeachment.org/impeachobamapetition.html

:lmao2: :lmao2:

What idiots

HURRY, run and sign this petition .. let's see if it works .. especially given that most Americans support him.

:lmao2:

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling"

:lmao2:

[SeniorChief]

.. let's see if it works .. especially given that most Americans support him.




Do you have a source to support that idiotic ass-ertion?

All polling data has him at about GWB levels, 2001. He's falling like a fucking rock. Nice to see a few random brain-dead idiots (like you) are hanging on for some "hope" and "change."

Speaking of change - have you looked at your 401K lately? How about the value of your home, the unemployment rate.

He makes that piece of shit Jimmy Carter look almost pristine.

[MintJulep]

Do you have a source to support that idiotic ass-ertion?

Haven't you heard of Keith Olbermann and the Chris Mathews leg tingle o' meter? :lmao2:

You are correct, though. This dumbass makes Carter look like a fucking genius.

[mwillman]

Its the republican way if you loss the election then impeach if that doesnt work I wont be surprised if some of you freaking nazis ask for an over throw or some kind of sucession. Stupid Stupid republicans.

[SeniorChief]

Its the republican way if you loss the election then impeach if that doesnt work....

Pull your fucking head out of your ass, son... before it's too late - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush

[mwillman]

No stop putting you ass in everyone else's life you fucking hypocrite.

You don't have a fucking clue and if anyone should be put on trial its the last

president not the one we have.

[Cat slave]

:lmao2: :lmao2:

What idiots

HURRY, run and sign this petition .. let's see if it works .. especially given that most Americans support him.

:lmao2:

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling"

:lmao2:

The "most" of supporters are not Americans and the number thereof are dwindling.

Think his ideologies or inability to tell the truth and keep his lies straight?

The only thing that pull his scrawny ass out of the fire is for the market to
recover. Youll see.

[SeniorChief]

...if anyone should be put on trial its the last president not the one we have.

The one "WE" have? President-Selected Obama is NOT my President, asshole. He's all yours.

And what part of "FAILED SOCIAL MOVEMENT" in this piece requires further dumbing down, asshole. Shall I whip out a crayola and draw pictures for you? Would that help?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush

[mwillman]

You and yours are the Failed Social experiment.

So go where failed social orders go and leave the world to those that want something that works.

[SeniorChief]

You and yours are the Failed Social experiment.

So go where failed social orders go and leave the world to those that want something that works.

Socialism works?

Name a country or two where it's a success.

Go ahead, dick.

I'll wait.

[mwillman]

You are the one the keeps bringing up socialism.

I don't think what we had before Nixon and Reagan and the bushes was socialism. I dont think a smart health care system is socialism.

I think you have socialismaphobia and it has so twisted your mind that you can't even think straight any more.

[Mr. Blue]

If people want to sign it, they should, just like the people that were signing for Bush to get impeached. It's this weird new phenomena, lets petition for impeachment, it's probably just a cathartic type release to a population that feels disenfranchised by the two party system.

[SeniorChief]

You are the one the keeps bringing up socialism.

I don't think what we had before Nixon and Reagan and the bushes was socialism. I dont think a smart health care system is socialism.

I think you have socialismaphobia and it has so twisted your mind that you can't even think straight any more.

Thanks for naming two countries where socialism works.

Idiot.

[mwillman]

Again your the one that has some desire to label everything socialism.

Thats you problem you ignorant fool.

[SeniorChief]

Again your the one that has some desire to label everything socialism.

Thats you problem you ignorant fool.

I thought my query, "Name two countries...." was quite basic.

I see after three attempts, you're still not able to comply comrade.

Lemme guess.

Public school educated?

[Tommy]

SeniorCheif..you really should open your mind a bit .. Take in both sides and try and understand whats going on

instead of just repeating failed hateful propaganda
Have you ever considered seeing a therapist ??

[SeniorChief]

Have you ever considered seeing a therapist ??

There's nothing wrong with me physically, but thanks for asking.

[Moby]

There's nothing wrong with me physically, but thanks for asking.
I don't think he was talking about physical therapy.

[Smurf-Herder]

It's impossible to impeach Obama. The Democrats control Congress and Congress has to authorize Impeachment hearings.

BTW, that petition was started when he was a Senator. So I think a new one is needed for President Obama - after he has a chance to really screw up the country. And he's just getting started.

I wouldn't be surprised if Obama tried to reinstitute the Sedition Act through executive order, if his power were threatened in some way, like a huge call for his impeachment.

The Sedition Act of 1918

The Sedition Act of 1918 (May 16, 1918) was an amendment to the Espionage Act of 1917 passed at the urging of President Woodrow Wilson, who was concerned that dissent, in time of war, was a significant threat to morale. The passing of this act forbade Americans to use "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language" about the United States government, flag, or armed forces during war. The act also allowed the Postmaster General to deny mail delivery to dissenters of government policy during wartime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918

[BlackAsCoal]

Do you have a source to support that idiotic ass-ertion?

All polling data has him at about GWB levels, 2001. He's falling like a fucking rock. Nice to see a few random brain-dead idiots (like you) are hanging on for some "hope" and "change."

Speaking of change - have you looked at your 401K lately? How about the value of your home, the unemployment rate.

He makes that piece of shit Jimmy Carter look almost pristine.

:lmao2:

You people are completely braindead.

Here you are caling for impeachment two months into an administration .. and can't figure out why such an idea is uber-stupid beyond belief.

I don't hang on "hope and change" dude .. nor did I vote for OBama .. but I'm not stupid enough not to know that he is supported by the majority of Americans, nor I am stupid enough to believe he has done anything remotely impeachable .. nor am I stupid enough to believe that the problems anyone is having with their 401k is Obama's fault.

What HAS been impeached is the entire Republican Party and braindead idiots who blindly followed them.

... sweet :)

[BlackAsCoal]

The "most" of supporters are not Americans and the number thereof are dwindling.

Think his ideologies or inability to tell the truth and keep his lies straight?

The only thing that pull his scrawny ass out of the fire is for the market to
recover. Youll see.

What in the fuck kindof drug-induced goobly-gook is that?

That shit is even readable, let alone make the slightest bit of sense.

[SeniorChief]

.. nor did I vote for OBama ..

Oh, do tell. Who did you pull your lever for?

[bairdi]

:lmao2:

You people are completely braindead.

Here you are caling for impeachment two months into an administration .. and can't figure out why such an idea is uber-stupid beyond belief.

I don't hang on "hope and change" dude .. nor did I vote for OBama .. but I'm not stupid enough not to know that he is supported by the majority of Americans, nor I am stupid enough to believe he has done anything remotely impeachable .. nor am I stupid enough to believe that the problems anyone is having with their 401k is Obama's fault.

What HAS been impeached is the entire Republican Party and braindead idiots who blindly followed them.

... sweet :)
:thumbsup: Thanks for a bit of fresh air there bac.

[BlackAsCoal]

:thumbsup: Thanks for a bit of fresh air there bac.

Thank you brother

[BlackAsCoal]

Socialism works?

Name a country or two where it's a success.

Go ahead, dick.

I'll wait.

Do I get a chance to play this game?

After all, I'm the socialist.

How about these ...

Sweden
Norway
and just for giggles, let's toss in China .. which owns the United States .. and has the economy that is on the way up, not down.

Given the propensity of the right to claim any "socialist", ie; "public" policy defines socialism, how about France, Canada, and the United States. Socialism is not new or foreign to the US, and if not for the socialist policy of Social Security, many American seniors would be eating dog food right now and in fact could not afford to stay alive.

Let's all lift our eyes and voices to the heavens and thank the Lawd we were not stupid enough to invest the lives of Americans seniors in the stock market.

Oh Lawd ..

Additionally, thank the Lawd for Medicaid/Medicare and all the things that begin with Public.

Hey, if you like we can even joust about Venezuela and how the quality of life has improved for the average Venzuelan since Chavez and socialism .. and I'll even attempt to make it real easy for you and I'll joust you about Cuba .. where some of the best doctors in the world is found .. so much so, they fucking export doctors .. or how they have a better literacy and infant mortality rate than ours.

The beauty of socialism is that it doesn't have to be sold .. society comes to it .. and if you look just a bit down the road you can see nationalized healthcare .. that the majority of Americans want.

Don't blame me .. I said nothing.

:lmao2:

I like this game

[SeniorChief]

Do I get a chance to play this game?

After all, I'm the socialist.

How about these ...

Sweden
Norway
China




What a blithering fucking idiot.

In the meantime.....

Sweden - Socialist? No.

Since about 1935 Sweden has had a social democratic economy, with high, redistributive income tax and general welfare benefits (even when under conservative governments). However, the Swedish economic model, which has been similar to other Scandinavian countries and therefore are called the "Scandinavian model", is not entirely socialistic, since the goal has been to create a welfare state, not a state with collective ownership. It's not a dictatorship either, but the conservatives in Sweden are very moderate if you compare internationally.

Next -

Norway - The Socialist Left Party (Sosialistisk Venstreparti or SV), is a Norwegian Socialist political party founded in 1975. It currently holds 15 out of 169 seats in the Norwegian Parliament.

China -

Dear God. Not Socialist. Any fucking 8th grader can shed light on this for you.

Out of the three - I think you'll be best off in China.

Get packing comrade.

[BlackAsCoal]

What a blithering fucking idiot.

In the meantime.....

Sweden - Socialist? No.

Since about 1935 Sweden has had a social democratic economy, with high, redistributive income tax and general welfare benefits (even when under conservative governments). However, the Swedish economic model, which has been similar to other Scandinavian countries and therefore are called the "Scandinavian model", is not entirely socialistic, since the goal has been to create a welfare state, not a state with collective ownership. It's not a dictatorship either, but the conservatives in Sweden are very moderate if you compare internationally.

Next -

Norway - The Socialist Left Party (Sosialistisk Venstreparti or SV), is a Norwegian Socialist political party founded in 1975. It currently holds 15 out of 169 seats in the Norwegian Parliament.

China -

Dear God. Not Socialist. Any fucking 8th grader can shed light on this for you.

Out of the three - I think you'll be best off in China.

Get packing comrade.

You're a dummy .. a real easy one at that.

I bet you believe there is such a thing as a "free market" :) .. of course you do.

Socialism abounds in Sweden, Norway, Canada, and many other nations which have discovered the healthy mix of democracy and socialism .. as we are discovering right here in the US. Varying forms of democratized socialism is practiced in most Scandinavian countries .. all of whom rater higher on the quality of life index.

Being a democratic socialist, it's beautiful to behold.

Obama is accused of being a socialist by people like you .. even though he got more money from Wall Street than any presidential candidate in history. Surely you're not dumb enough to believe Wall Street would back a socialist, are you that dumb?

[SeniorChief]

You're a dummy .. a real easy one at that.

I bet you believe there is such a thing as a "free market" :) .. of course you do.

Socialism abounds in Sweden, Norway, Canada, and many other nations which have discovered the healthy mix of democracy and socialism .. as we are discovering right here in the US. Varying forms of democratized socialism is practiced in most Scandinavian countries .. all of whom rater higher on the quality of life index.

Being a democratic socialist, it's beautiful to behold.

Obama is accused of being a socialist by people like you .. even though he got more money from Wall Street than any presidential candidate in history. Surely you're not dumb enough to believe Wall Street would back a socialist, are you that dumb?

Let's just take Canada for starters.

Do you know what the Federal income tax is up there asshole?

Post it and we'll discuss from there.

Thanks

[BlackAsCoal]

Let's just take Canada for starters.

Do you know what the Federal income tax is up there asshole?

Post it and we'll discuss from there.

Thanks

First, your metric of "taxes" is for dummies. There's an invisible string run that runs up your ass and is connected to your brain that generates a response to the word taxes. Then your programming kicks in.

How about we take a test and see if you can operate outside your programming. How about we start with quality of life?

On the Human Development Index, ie; most livable countries, which measures nations by life expectancy, literacy, education, and GDP, Canada ranks 3rd and is going up, the US is 15th and is going down.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

They live longer than Americans and have a better healthcare system than Americans and more Americans move there every year .. in fact last year hit a 30-year high.

Taxes .. I have no fear of taxes and I recognize that freedom ain't free. I recognize that taxes are a necessary function of government. My concern is how my taxes are used, not that I have to pay them. I don't put my interests before the interests of the country. I call that shit "patriotism."

Start from quality of life and describe why we are so much better off than Canadians.

[ROdger Right]

More Americans move there but all the canadians come down here for health care nowa days. For its ran by the govt so it turns out its no good anymore.

literacy: we import so many dumb fucks that we have no chance of ever having the highest, the wya it is.

Quality of life: we are the fattest country on earth, so something must be going right. Not that i am but id rather be obiese than starving.

[UABblazer]

Pull your fucking head out of your ass, son... before it's too late - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush


So you are using Wikipedia as a source to prove your point?
LOL.

[SeniorChief]

More Americans move there but all the canadians come down here for health care nowa days.

Not just the patients - but the doctors/nurses come down here to WORK as well. Money's a hell of a lot better than being a Socialist "Contract" salaried employee.

But, Liberals are too fucking dense to look at this picture. All they expect is a "free" visit to their healthcare professional.

Freaking idiots.

[UABblazer]

Not just the patients - but the doctors/nurses come down here to WORK as well. Money's a hell of a lot better than being a Socialist "Contract" salaried employee.

But, Liberals are too fucking dense to look at this picture. All they expect is a "free" visit to their healthcare professional.

Freaking idiots.


I'm sure you enjoy the free healthcare you get from the VA don't you sailor?

[BlackAsCoal]

I'm sure you enjoy the free healthcare you get from the VA don't you sailor?

:lmao2:

Good point

As I'm sure he enjoys all the other freebies that comes his way.

[UABblazer]

:lmao2:

Good point

As I'm sure he enjoys all the other freebies that comes his way.

Yup. Its pretty easy for those who get freebies to bitch about those who need it.

[Hog Trash]

I'm sure you enjoy the free healthcare you get from the VA don't you sailor?You apparently don't know the difference between free and earned......Wiki the two words for some enlightenment.

[BlackAsCoal]

Not just the patients - but the doctors/nurses come down here to WORK as well. Money's a hell of a lot better than being a Socialist "Contract" salaried employee.

But, Liberals are too fucking dense to look at this picture. All they expect is a "free" visit to their healthcare professional.

Freaking idiots.

Every industrialized nation on earth has nationailzed healthcare and NONE of them are trying to get rid of it .. including Canada, where the average salary of doctors there range from $215,000 to $245,000 per year.

Who could live on that .. in Canada?

I'm sure you made sooo much more money in the Navy .. perhaps they should all come here and join the Navy.

Additionally, because Canada has nationailzed healthcare, doctors there worry far less about malpractice and don't incur the costs of running a private practice .. thus offsetting the $80 - $100,000 less than their American counterparts.

Many Canadian doctors come here to practice because of our advances in equipment and technology .. then many go home.

Cuba exports doctors all over the world and when Katrina hit here, Castro offered to send 1000 doctors .. obviously not worried about if they would come back.

Finally, because we are the only industrialized nation not to have nationalized healthcare, American corporations cannot compete with their global counterparts that do. The cost of healthcare is what is destroying many traditional American corporations, such as carmakers.

[Hog Trash]

Every industrialized nation on earth has nationailzed healthcare and NONE of them are trying to get rid of it .

It's much easier to make a mistake than it is to correct it....In some cases it's almost impossible...Socialism is such a mistake.

[MintJulep]

Every industrialized nation on earth has nationailzed healthcare and NONE of them are trying to get rid of it .. including Canada, where the average salary of doctors there range from $215,000 to $245,000 per year.

Who could live on that .. in Canada?

I'm sure you made sooo much more money in the Navy .. perhaps they should all come here and join the Navy.

Additionally, because Canada has nationailzed healthcare, doctors there worry far less about malpractice and don't incur the costs of running a private practice .. thus offsetting the $80 - $100,000 less than their American counterparts.

Many Canadian doctors come here to practice because of our advances in equipment and technology .. then many go home.

Cuba exports doctors all over the world and when Katrina hit here, Castro offered to send 1000 doctors .. obviously not worried about if they would come back.

Finally, because we are the only industrialized nation not to have nationalized healthcare, American corporations cannot compete with their global counterparts that do. The cost of healthcare is what is destroying many traditional American corporations, such as carmakers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4u5x9XAsAs

[doctordog]

Every industrialized nation on earth has nationailzed healthcare and NONE of them are trying to get rid of it .. including Canada, where the average salary of doctors there range from $215,000 to $245,000 per year.

Who could live on that .. in Canada?

I'm sure you made sooo much more money in the Navy .. perhaps they should all come here and join the Navy.

Additionally, because Canada has nationailzed healthcare, doctors there worry far less about malpractice and don't incur the costs of running a private practice .. thus offsetting the $80 - $100,000 less than their American counterparts.

Many Canadian doctors come here to practice because of our advances in equipment and technology .. then many go home.

Cuba exports doctors all over the world and when Katrina hit here, Castro offered to send 1000 doctors .. obviously not worried about if they would come back.

Finally, because we are the only industrialized nation not to have nationalized healthcare, American corporations cannot compete with their global counterparts that do. The cost of healthcare is what is destroying many traditional American corporations, such as carmakers.

And many of your loved ones die waiting for needed surgery even though they paid a horrendous amount of their income all those years to support a failed system. No thank you! If emergency surgery is needed, I don't want to wait 1 year or more for an emergency.

[mwillman]

Would you right wingers stop making up crap about Canadian medicine.

All the studies and research show that people get much better service in Canada then they do in this nation.

You can make up lies but that doesn't help your argument it only shows your lack of ethics or at least your ignorance.

[Smurf-Herder]

Would you right wingers stop making up crap about Canadian medicine.

All the studies and research show that people get much better service in Canada then they do in this nation.

You can make up lies but that doesn't help your argument it only shows your lack of ethics or at least your ignorance.

I guess this is a made-up lie, over the past 20 years of reports ... by the Vancouver-based Fraser Institute.


Canadians Wait Longer for Medical Care
January 11, 2007 | Author: Devon Herrick

In recent years, patients treated by the Canadian health care system have increasingly experienced lengthy waits to see providers.

According a new study on medical care in Canada, released in October 2006 by the Fraser Institute, "waiting times are the legacy of a medical system offering low expectations cloaked in lofty rhetoric."

Since the mid-1980s, the Vancouver-based think tank has produced an annual report on how long patients are required to wait for medical care in Canada. As a result of the group's research, treatment waiting times are now part of the public policy debate on the quality of the Canadian health care system.


Waiting ...

In its 16th annual installment, the report titled "Waiting Your Turn" tracks how waiting times vary across Canadian provinces depending on the type of treatment needed. The report also documents waiting times for referral to specialists and the subsequent amount of time spent waiting for actual treatment from the specialist.

"Despite all of the promises made by Canada's provincial and federal governments, and despite the fact that Canadians are spending more on health care than ever before, the total wait time in Canada continues to hover near the 18-week mark as it has since 2003," coauthor Nadeen Esmail said in an interview for this article. "Equally troubling is the reality that the total wait time in 2006 is 91 percent longer than it was in 1993."

These findings should give pause to proponents of universal coverage, who often cite Canada as an example of a country where health care costs less than care in the United States and everyone has free health care at the point of service.

"While many proclaim Canada's Medicare program to be one of the best in the world, or suggest it should be the model for reform in the United States," Esmail said, "the reality is that health spending in Canada outpaces that in most other developed nations that, like Canada, guarantee access to care regardless of ability to pay, and yet access to health care in this country lags that available in most of these other nations."


... and Waiting

In 2006, the average amount of time spent waiting to receive treatment after referral by a general practitioner averaged 17.8 weeks across Canada. At 14.9 weeks, Ontario had the shortest waits. Prince Edward Island, Saskatchewan, and New Brunswick had average waits of 25.8 weeks, 28.5 weeks, and 31.9 weeks, respectively.

Patients referred to a neurosurgeon waited an average of 21 weeks just to see a specialist. Getting treatment required an additional 10.7 weeks.

Patients waited an average of 16.2 weeks to see an orthopedic surgeon, and another 24.2 weeks for treatment to be performed after the initial visit.

The number of people routinely waiting for services is staggering, according to the report. In 2003, the most recent year for which data were available from Statistics Canada, approximately 1.1 million people had trouble accessing care on a timely basis.

About 201,000 had problems obtaining non-emergency services. An additional 607,000 had problems getting in to see a specialist, and about 301,000 patients experienced problems obtaining diagnostic procedures.

"So much for the myth of government-run health care being compassionate and fair," said David Gratzer, a Canadian doctor and senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. "Canadians wait and wait and wait."


Rationing

In Canada, waiting lists are considered a way of rationing medical care and holding down health care spending. Because health care in Canada is largely free at the point of service, demand is likely to exceed supply.

In a typical market system, the price would adjust to the point where the quantity of services provided is equal to the amount patients are willing to buy. But in a system devoid of a market mechanism, scarce resources are rationed through means other than price.

"The long waits for needed care in Canada show the danger of abandoning markets in favor of central planning," explained Sean Parnell, vice president of external relations at The Heartland Institute, an Illinois-based think tank. "Just as there were long lines for food and other basic necessities in the old Soviet Union because planners couldn't accurately match supply with demand, the politicians and bureaucrats who run health care in Canada can't provide enough health care to meet the citizens' needs."

Gratzer agreed.

"It's like the old Soviet system," Gratzer said. "Everything is free, but nothing is readily available. Except that we're not talking about lining up for toilet paper in Russia in 1976, but queuing for surgery in Canada in 2006."

Economists generally agree such "non-price" rationing of resources is less efficient than a system that uses prices. One reason is that productivity is lost when people are unable to work due to treatment delays. Also, the risk of death while waiting is higher for serious conditions such as cardiac care.

Waiting lists are consequences of the way the Canadian health care system is structured, not a lack of money, critics say.

"The fact that this is the 16th annual report on wait lists for needed care should be enough to prove that the problem isn't a temporary one that can be fixed with just a little more money, as defenders of Canada's government-run system have claimed for years," Parnell said.

"Long waits and widespread denial of needed care are a permanent and necessary part of government-run systems," Parnell noted.


Spending

According to the study, Canadian provinces with higher spending per capita did not experience shorter wait times than provinces that spent less.

In fact, increased spending was associated with longer waits, unless the increased spending was targeted to physicians and pharmaceuticals.

"The current health care model simply does not deliver to Canadians the access to care they should expect for the amount of money their governments are spending," Esmail said.

http://cdhc.ncpa.org/commentaries/canadians-wait-longer-for-medical-care

[mwillman]

I love the way you put up an article by a conservative think tank well known for being in the pockets of the insurance industry and you act like its some kind of non biased article.

Maybe you can explain why Canadians live longer and have healthier lives.

[Smurf-Herder]

I love the way you put up an article by a conservative think tank well known for being in the pockets of the insurance industry and you act like its some kind of non biased article.

Maybe you can explain why Canadians live longer and have healthier lives.

I never heard of it before, but it is a Canadian group.

So you're saying they lied?

Tell you what. You post an article on how Canadians live longer and have healthier lives - based on their healthcare system.

[Hog Trash]

I love the way you put up an article by a conservative think tank well known for being in the pockets of the insurance industry and you act like its some kind of non biased article.

Maybe you can explain why Canadians live longer and have healthier lives.Are you saying the facts are inaccurate?....Does biased translate to dishonest?

Get real Willy!....Do you really believe a liberal or socialist "think tank" is going to report this?

Canadians live longer than Americans?....Are these findings the result of a liberal think tank?

Are there any other factors that could be the catalyst for Canadian longevity?...If so, would a liberal think tank report this?

Like most socialist you bust your ass trying to justify wealth redistribution and socialism.

The fact is, history has shown us that socialism is a failed system that always ends in totalitarianism.

[The_Limit]

Well, like I said in my introductory post "Hello People," I'm Canadian.

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=8052

I'd be happy to respond to your inquiries of how a normal middle class Canadian's experience with the health service in Canada.

[Smurf-Herder]

Well, like I said in my introductory post "Hello People (http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=8052)," I'm Canadian.

I'd be happy to respond to your inquiries of how it is in Canada.

Gee, does that mean I can say anything I want about America, and it has to be true because I'm an American?

DUH!

[The_Limit]

Gee, does that mean I can say anything I want about America, and it has to be true because I'm an American?

DUH!

I accidentiy hit the send button before I finished editing the post. It now reads like it should.

"I'd be happy to respond to your inquiries of how a normal middle class Canadian's experience with the health service in Canada."

[ROdger Right]

Well do it. Im tired of you saying you will explain soemthing but you leave it there.

Back it up.

[MintJulep]

I accidentiy hit the send button before I finished editing the post. It now reads like it should.

"I'd be happy to respond to your inquiries of how a normal middle class Canadian's experience with the health service in Canada."Here is another Canadian's opinion.

Dear America…


by Klaus Rohrich July 12, 2004

Last week John Kerry called for a national healthcare system in the U.S., like the one in Canada. If you Americans are planning to institute a national universal healthcare system similar to ours, you might want to look somewhere other than Canada for the ideal model.

To give you a brief overview of Canada’s Universal healthcare system, it all started off well enough and ran like a top for many years. I remember when it was normal to call a doctor and get an appointment the same day, when one could get to see a specialist the next day or when someone needed a by-pass operation he or she didn’t have to wait a year to get it. Of course, in those days health care wasn’t exactly free, either. You see, all Canadians (except those who truly could not afford it) had to pay a monthly premium (http://www.canadafreepress.com/2004/klaus071204.htm#) for their coverage.

Then the federal Liberals (the equivalent of your Democrats) decided to pass the Canada Health Act, which made medical coverage a basic human right. The act stipulated that health carehttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.canadafreepress.com/2004/klaus071204.htm#) was to be provided by the government only and that any form of private care was illegal. It put the burden of paying for healthcare into the hands of taxpayers, as the service would now be paid from the government’s general coffers.

In addition, there were numerous other provisions, such as controlling costs by limiting doctors’ salaries and keeping nurses and other healthcare professionals at relatively low wages.

So the first thing that happened was that the doctors threatened to go on strike. The government called their bluff and told them to go ahead, but the doctors chickened out. Next, many of our best doctors moved to the United States, where government was not going to limit the amount of money (http://www.canadafreepress.com/2004/klaus071204.htm#) they could earn.

Of course, the end result is predictable. Most jurisdictions in Canada now have a doctor shortage, despite the government’s denial of this stark reality. Anyone without a family physician is forced to attend a soviet-style walk-in clinic to receive routine medical care. As transient physicians staff these clinics, there is no relationship that develops between the doctor and his patients and items such as annual physical examinations are not available in these clinics. If one’s family doctor should retire, move or become deceased, then all of the doctor’s patients will be scrambling to find a new doctor. Yet, the government appears to be creating this doctor shortage on purpose, as enrollment in medical schools is strictly regulated and only a certain number of applicants are ever accepted, regardless of their academic standing.

The patient to doctor ratio varies from 2,000 to 4,000 patients per doctor, depending on geographical location. And many tests and procedures are beginning to be de-listed; meaning that the public healthcare system will no longer pay for them. Among these are items such as PSA examinations, which is used to screen for prostate cancer in men, physiotherapy or chiropractic treatments, certain dermatological procedures, such as the removal of skin growths and eye examinations.

The province of Ontario has recently decided that its "free health care" is now subject to an annual premium (spelled T-A-X), imposed on every taxpayer in the province. While this has angered most Ontario taxpayers, the government is refusing to look at any other alternatives to the way it currently provides healthcare.

While on a recent visit to Toronto’s Orthopedic and Arthritic Hospital, a facility specializing in the treatment of bone and joint problems, I overheard the harried receptionist at the clinic explaining why the patient would have to wait four to five months to receive surgical treatment,

"There are only so many orthopedic surgeons to go around." She explained. The patient was fortunate to have seen a surgeon and was waiting for a date for his procedure. Prior to his appointment with the surgeon, the patient had to be referred in writing by his family doctor, which usually takes from four to six weeks. After the initial visit, the surgeon likely requested an MRI, or magnetic resonance imaging procedure to determine the severity of the problem. Getting an MRI in Canada can take up to six months, although many Canadians choose to cross the border into the U.S. where they can get it next day for about $450.

After the MRI, the results of which can take as long as six to eight weeks to get back to the doctor, the patient has to make another appointment with the surgeon to find out if the procedure is warranted. From there an appointment is made, which usually takes two to three months. So from the time that one is aware of a serious problem, such a herniated vertebral disc until the time, the problem is actually dealt with, as much as a whole year can pass.

Other procedures can take longer, as in the case of hip or knee replacements, which can take three to four years of waiting.

Those Canadians who can afford it (including, by the way Paul Martin, our Prime Minister) will get their medical treatment at private clinics in the U.S. to avoid waiting. Often individuals who do this are vilified by other Canadians as "line jumpers", even though they jump the line outside the public healthcare system and pay for it themselves.

From where I sit, the U.S. healthcare system looks pretty good. Yes, it’s expensive, but the facilities are in place to provide care in a timely fashion. Those unable to afford medical treatment can still receive treatment provided at charity or county hospitals.

The Canadian healthcare system is currently threatening to collapse of its own inertia. Yes, it’s a good system we have here in Canada, so long as you make sure you never get sick. That’s why Americans would be well advised to look at a more flexible system than ours.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2004/klaus071204.htm

[Dale escondido]

Well, like I said in my introductory post "Hello People," I'm Canadian.

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=8052

I'd be happy to respond to your inquiries of how a normal middle class Canadian's experience with the health service in Canada.

At 17 im sure youll survive the experience

[The_Limit]

At 17 im sure youll survive the experience

Well thats true.

I haven't had to experience much.

Been healthy all my life *knock on wood*

[Dale escondido]

Well thats true.

I haven't had to experience much.

Been healthy all my life *knock on wood*

My only experience with social medicine was when my daughter was thrown from a horse in england, bad break.
It took 5-6 hours to get her in but the care was good.

[Hog Trash]

My only experience with social medicine was when my daughter was thrown from a horse in england, bad break.
It took 5-6 hours to get her in but the care was good.Were you a paying customer?

[doctordog]

Here is another Canadian's opinion.

Dear America…


by Klaus Rohrich July 12, 2004

Last week John Kerry called for a national healthcare system in the U.S., like the one in Canada. If you Americans are planning to institute a national universal healthcare system similar to ours, you might want to look somewhere other than Canada for the ideal model.

To give you a brief overview of Canada’s Universal healthcare system, it all started off well enough and ran like a top for many years. I remember when it was normal to call a doctor and get an appointment the same day, when one could get to see a specialist the next day or when someone needed a by-pass operation he or she didn’t have to wait a year to get it. Of course, in those days health care wasn’t exactly free, either. You see, all Canadians (except those who truly could not afford it) had to pay a monthly premium (http://www.canadafreepress.com/2004/klaus071204.htm#) for their coverage.

Then the federal Liberals (the equivalent of your Democrats) decided to pass the Canada Health Act, which made medical coverage a basic human right. The act stipulated that health carehttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.canadafreepress.com/2004/klaus071204.htm#) was to be provided by the government only and that any form of private care was illegal. It put the burden of paying for healthcare into the hands of taxpayers, as the service would now be paid from the government’s general coffers.

In addition, there were numerous other provisions, such as controlling costs by limiting doctors’ salaries and keeping nurses and other healthcare professionals at relatively low wages.

So the first thing that happened was that the doctors threatened to go on strike. The government called their bluff and told them to go ahead, but the doctors chickened out. Next, many of our best doctors moved to the United States, where government was not going to limit the amount of money (http://www.canadafreepress.com/2004/klaus071204.htm#) they could earn.

Of course, the end result is predictable. Most jurisdictions in Canada now have a doctor shortage, despite the government’s denial of this stark reality. Anyone without a family physician is forced to attend a soviet-style walk-in clinic to receive routine medical care. As transient physicians staff these clinics, there is no relationship that develops between the doctor and his patients and items such as annual physical examinations are not available in these clinics. If one’s family doctor should retire, move or become deceased, then all of the doctor’s patients will be scrambling to find a new doctor. Yet, the government appears to be creating this doctor shortage on purpose, as enrollment in medical schools is strictly regulated and only a certain number of applicants are ever accepted, regardless of their academic standing.

The patient to doctor ratio varies from 2,000 to 4,000 patients per doctor, depending on geographical location. And many tests and procedures are beginning to be de-listed; meaning that the public healthcare system will no longer pay for them. Among these are items such as PSA examinations, which is used to screen for prostate cancer in men, physiotherapy or chiropractic treatments, certain dermatological procedures, such as the removal of skin growths and eye examinations.

The province of Ontario has recently decided that its "free health care" is now subject to an annual premium (spelled T-A-X), imposed on every taxpayer in the province. While this has angered most Ontario taxpayers, the government is refusing to look at any other alternatives to the way it currently provides healthcare.

While on a recent visit to Toronto’s Orthopedic and Arthritic Hospital, a facility specializing in the treatment of bone and joint problems, I overheard the harried receptionist at the clinic explaining why the patient would have to wait four to five months to receive surgical treatment,

"There are only so many orthopedic surgeons to go around." She explained. The patient was fortunate to have seen a surgeon and was waiting for a date for his procedure. Prior to his appointment with the surgeon, the patient had to be referred in writing by his family doctor, which usually takes from four to six weeks. After the initial visit, the surgeon likely requested an MRI, or magnetic resonance imaging procedure to determine the severity of the problem. Getting an MRI in Canada can take up to six months, although many Canadians choose to cross the border into the U.S. where they can get it next day for about $450.

After the MRI, the results of which can take as long as six to eight weeks to get back to the doctor, the patient has to make another appointment with the surgeon to find out if the procedure is warranted. From there an appointment is made, which usually takes two to three months. So from the time that one is aware of a serious problem, such a herniated vertebral disc until the time, the problem is actually dealt with, as much as a whole year can pass.

Other procedures can take longer, as in the case of hip or knee replacements, which can take three to four years of waiting.

Those Canadians who can afford it (including, by the way Paul Martin, our Prime Minister) will get their medical treatment at private clinics in the U.S. to avoid waiting. Often individuals who do this are vilified by other Canadians as "line jumpers", even though they jump the line outside the public healthcare system and pay for it themselves.

From where I sit, the U.S. healthcare system looks pretty good. Yes, it’s expensive, but the facilities are in place to provide care in a timely fashion. Those unable to afford medical treatment can still receive treatment provided at charity or county hospitals.

The Canadian healthcare system is currently threatening to collapse of its own inertia. Yes, it’s a good system we have here in Canada, so long as you make sure you never get sick. That’s why Americans would be well advised to look at a more flexible system than ours.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2004/klaus071204.htm

We have 4 Canadian doctors in this small town I live in because of the horrible system they had in Canada.

[Dale escondido]

Were you a paying customer?

It was at my mother best friends place, she took her and I assumed it was free.
If my mom paid anything she didnt mention it to me.
She bitched about how long it took but asurgeon friend at sharps here said 4-5 is noirmal here aso.

[Moby]

My only experience with social medicine was when my daughter was thrown from a horse in england, bad break.
It took 5-6 hours to get her in but the care was good.
I had a broken hand and it took Alexandria Hospital 6 hours to put a brace on and tell me to find a doctor come Monday morning.

I also spent 8 hours before they'd put my arm back together at Fairfax hospital when I had a double compound fracture. It was a bit of a mess.

My only experience with Socialized medicine was in Poland. My buddy was in and out in about 45 minutes. A few stitches and he was fine.

Why all the talk about socialized medicine? Don't you guys have any idea what's being proposed in America? It's not socialized medicine.

[Eagle1]

I had a broken hand and it took Alexandria Hospital 6 hours to put a brace on and tell me to find a doctor come Monday morning.

I also spent 8 hours before they'd put my arm back together at Fairfax hospital when I had a double compound fracture. It was a bit of a mess.

My only experience with Socialized medicine was in Poland. My buddy was in and out in about 45 minutes. A few stitches and he was fine.

Why all the talk about socialized medicine? Don't you guys have any idea what's being proposed in America? It's not socialized medicine.

I keep hearing "single payer" is being proposed. Are Medicare and VA not examples of a single payer system?

[MintJulep]

I had a broken hand and it took Alexandria Hospital 6 hours to put a brace on and tell me to find a doctor come Monday morning.

I also spent 8 hours before they'd put my arm back together at Fairfax hospital when I had a double compound fracture. It was a bit of a mess.

My only experience with Socialized medicine was in Poland. My buddy was in and out in about 45 minutes. A few stitches and he was fine.

Why all the talk about socialized medicine? Don't you guys have any idea what's being proposed in America? It's not socialized medicine.A broken hand is not serious. The question is, if you had a lesion on your brain, would you have to wait 6 months for an MRI in the U.S.? The answer is no.

[mwillman]

The answer Lady liberty is that if you didnt have health insurance(40 million and growing) you woundnt get that MRI and if you did have insurance half the insurance carriers would dump you as soon as you started to cost them money.

50% of bankruptcies come from people with medical expenses. One bad illness and most families are out of money and out of luck.

Thats not even talking about the hundreds of % point increases the cost of that insurance has increased over the last 10 years.

[Smurf-Herder]

I haven't had health insurance for eight years and I desperately want it, but I can't afford $440 a month.

But no matter how desperate I am, I still don't want the US government in charge of my medical care.

BTW, my family has had two back operations, an eye operation and many problems requiring medical care; and we've never had our coverage cancelled. And I've never heard of anyone's coverage being cancelled for costing the insurance company too much. There are coverage limits, but never a cancellation. I believe that's illegal.

[mwillman]

There are many real life stories of insurance companies dropping people once the were injured. Most of the time it comes from people with long term injuries or very expensive procedures but it is far from uncommon. I know people its happened to and I have read of many more from non biased sources.

[Smurf-Herder]

There are many real life stories of insurance companies dropping people once the were injured. Most of the time it comes from people with long term injuries or very expensive procedures but it is far from uncommon. I know people its happened to and I have read of many more from non biased sources.

Well, show me.

I haven't seen it yet. I'd like to see how extensive this is. Post something reliable. If you're really interested in convincing people.

[mwillman]

here's an interesting read.
I know its from trial lawyers but hey if anyone would know they would.

http://www.justice.org/docs/TenWorstInsuranceCompanies.pdf

[doctordog]

here's an interesting read.
I know its from trial lawyers but hey if anyone would know they would.

http://www.justice.org/docs/TenWorstInsuranceCompanies.pdf

none of these are well known health insurance providers, they are just "me too" carriers, insurance is just like anything else, you have to use your head when purchasing it.

[Smurf-Herder]

none of these are well known health insurance providers, they are just "me too" carriers, insurance is just like anything else, you have to use your head when purchasing it.

Allstate, AIG, State Farm and Liberty Mutual are big companies; and he has made his point, IMO. Although, that's what lawyers are for. And cases like this are what movies are made of.

But I'd still rather fight an insurance company in court, if it were ever to come to that, than try to sue the US Government.

[mwillman]

that is just one of many.

You must being doing pretty well there wayers. Most people dont get much choice when it comes to health insurance they pretty much have to take what ever their employer offers.

[doctordog]

that is just one of many.

You must being doing pretty well there wayers. Most people dont get much choice when it comes to health insurance they pretty much have to take what ever their employer offers.

I am completely satisfied right now, but I generally change jobs every 6-7 years, I have only had my current going on 5 years now. When employers cut benefits or pay from what they were I generally make a change.

[Independent Harry]

I haven't had health insurance for eight years and I desperately want it, but I can't afford $440 a month.

But no matter how desperate I am, I still don't want the US government in charge of my medical care.

BTW, my family has had two back operations, an eye operation and many problems requiring medical care; and we've never had our coverage cancelled. And I've never heard of anyone's coverage being cancelled for costing the insurance company too much. There are coverage limits, but never a cancellation. I believe that's illegal.

If you have group insurance, then no, that generally won't happen. If you have individual coverage, then yes. they will increase your premium up to 20% a year, to get you to drop coverage...

[Independent Harry]

none of these are well known health insurance providers, they are just "me too" carriers, insurance is just like anything else, you have to use your head when purchasing it.

ummm, none of these are well known insurance providers??? They are some of the biggest providers in the country...almost all of them are EXTREMELY well known...

[Smurf-Herder]

If you have group insurance, then no, that generally won't happen. If you have individual coverage, then yes. they will increase your premium up to 20% a year, to get you to drop coverage...


That's why I only have insurance if there's a group plan; otherwise I can't afford it anyway.

[Moby]

I haven't had health insurance for eight years and I desperately want it, but I can't afford $440 a month.

But no matter how desperate I am, I still don't want the US government in charge of my medical care.

BTW, my family has had two back operations, an eye operation and many problems requiring medical care; and we've never had our coverage cancelled. And I've never heard of anyone's coverage being cancelled for costing the insurance company too much. There are coverage limits, but never a cancellation. I believe that's illegal.
Maybe you should read the Obama plan. It has nothing to do with having the US government taking charge of medical care. It has incentives for currently operating health insurance companies to provide insurance to those that can't afford it (like yourself) or those that can't get it for medical reasons as Lady Liberty mentioned.


All states have different laws pertaining to canceling health insurance. However, in most states while they can't cancel your insurance they can raise your rates every year so one day you could be paying $440 a month and then they can charge legally charge you $44,000. Many states have some limits on the amount of increase but not all.

[Moby]

That's why I only have insurance if there's a group plan; otherwise I can't afford it anyway.
You might want look into an HSA or look for "Consumer Groups" that offer group rates. Some times you need to join the consumer group for like $2 a month but then you're part of the group and can get good rates. Sometimes the rates are no different though :(

[MintJulep]

Maybe you should read the Obama plan. It has nothing to do with having the US government taking charge of medical care. It has incentives for currently operating health insurance companies to provide insurance to those that can't afford it (like yourself) or those that can't get it for medical reasons as Lady Liberty mentioned.I was under the impression companies would be mandated to cover all regardless of condition.

Do you know what these "incentives" are? I wasn't aware it was going to be optional.

[Eagle1]

All states have different laws pertaining to canceling health insurance. However, in most states while they can't cancel your insurance they can raise your rates every year so one day you could be paying $440 a month and then they can charge legally charge you $44,000.

Has that ever happened? 44k a month? Just one example to prove your point?

[doctordog]

ummm, none of these are well known insurance providers??? They are some of the biggest providers in the country...almost all of them are EXTREMELY well known...

not for health insurance, they are not leaders like Aetna or Blue Cross blue shield

[MintJulep]

not for health insurance, they are not leaders like Aetna or Blue Cross blue shieldVery true. The only HC providers I recognize on that list are United HC and Wellpoint.

[Smurf-Herder]

Maybe you should read the Obama plan. It has nothing to do with having the US government taking charge of medical care. It has incentives for currently operating health insurance companies to provide insurance to those that can't afford it (like yourself) or those that can't get it for medical reasons as Lady Liberty mentioned.




Well, we'll see how it all plays out when it goes into effect. And if it makes any difference in my situation. But I am concerned about it going any futher than what you say it does.

[Independent Harry]

not for health insurance, they are not leaders like Aetna or Blue Cross blue shield

United Health is one of the biggest insurers of individual policies in the country. Right behind Blue Cross...

[mwillman]

Here's a bunch of personal stories about blue cross.

http://www.bluecrosssucks.com/consumer.htm

The truth is all the insurance companies take advantage of those that can't fight back. They cover Group policies because group policies come from groups that can usually afford to sue the insurance companies but many people can't afford it and since the insurance companies have gangs of lawyers they can fight them for years on end.

This is also why the republican party has been pushing Tort reform for the last 30 years or more because that would make it even harder to sue companies that screw you over.

[Smurf-Herder]

Here's a bunch of personal stories about blue cross.

http://www.bluecrosssucks.com/consumer.htm

The truth is all the insurance companies take advantage of those that can't fight back. They cover Group policies because group policies come from groups that can usually afford to sue the insurance companies but many people can't afford it and since the insurance companies have gangs of lawyers they can fight them for years on end.

This is also why the republican party has been pushing Tort reform for the last 30 years or more because that would make it even harder to sue companies that screw you over.


Duh!

Blue Cross is what the Federal Government uses for their employees. That would be the "Single Payer plan".

WASHINGTON - The Blue Cross and Blue Shield Government-wide Service Benefit Plan, also known as the Federal Employee Program (FEP), gained more than 133,000 new members during the 2006 open enrollment season - marking the program's 22nd consecutive membership increase.

Both Basic and Standard Options continued to increase enrollment this past open season with Standard Option increasing by approximately 1.5 percent and Basic Option by nearly 12 percent over last year's enrollment.

Beginning in 2007, federal employees and retirees were offered a new FEP vision product, called FEP BlueVisionSM. This product was created as a result of the Federal Employee Dental and Vision Benefits Enhancement Act of 2004.

The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) reported nearly 199,000 federal employees and retirees selected FEP BlueVisionSM during the 2006 open enrollment. This represents about 64 percent of all participants in the vision portion of the Federal Employees Dental and Vision Insurance Program (FEDVIP). Nearly 313,000 federal employees and retirees are enrolled in one of the vision program plans.

FEP now serves more than 59 percent of all federal employees and retirees who receive their healthcare benefits through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP). These subscribers and their families receive health coverage through their local Blue Cross and Blue Shield Plans across the country.

"FEP is delighted to continue to serve the majority of those federal employees, retirees and their families who choose their healthcare insurance under FEHBP and their vision care coverage under FEDVIP," stated Stephen W. Gammarino, BCBSA's senior vice president, National Programs. "Both our existing and newest members have come to depend on FEP's long-standing dependability and commitment to providing the best value in healthcare services. We are proud to continue to earn their trust with our established abilities to deliver responsive, quality care in a timely manner."

The Blue Cross and Blue Shield Government-wide Service Benefit Plan, or FEP, has been part of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program since its inception in 1960. FEP covers roughly 4.7 million federal employees, retirees and their families who receive their benefits through FEHBP. BCBSA works with the Office of Personnel Management to administer the Service Benefit Plan on behalf of the 39 independent Blue Cross and Blue Shield Plans.

http://www.bcbs.com/news/bcbsa/blue-cross-and-blue-shield-fep-basic-option-increases-enrollment.html

[MintJulep]

Duh!

Blue Cross is what the Federal Government uses for their employees. That would be the "Single Payer plan".

WASHINGTON - The Blue Cross and Blue Shield Government-wide Service Benefit Plan, also known as the Federal Employee Program (FEP), gained more than 133,000 new members during the 2006 open enrollment season - marking the program's 22nd consecutive membership increase.

Both Basic and Standard Options continued to increase enrollment this past open season with Standard Option increasing by approximately 1.5 percent and Basic Option by nearly 12 percent over last year's enrollment.

Beginning in 2007, federal employees and retirees were offered a new FEP vision product, called FEP BlueVisionSM. This product was created as a result of the Federal Employee Dental and Vision Benefits Enhancement Act of 2004.

The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) reported nearly 199,000 federal employees and retirees selected FEP BlueVisionSM during the 2006 open enrollment. This represents about 64 percent of all participants in the vision portion of the Federal Employees Dental and Vision Insurance Program (FEDVIP). Nearly 313,000 federal employees and retirees are enrolled in one of the vision program plans.

FEP now serves more than 59 percent of all federal employees and retirees who receive their healthcare benefits through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP). These subscribers and their families receive health coverage through their local Blue Cross and Blue Shield Plans across the country.

"FEP is delighted to continue to serve the majority of those federal employees, retirees and their families who choose their healthcare insurance under FEHBP and their vision care coverage under FEDVIP," stated Stephen W. Gammarino, BCBSA's senior vice president, National Programs. "Both our existing and newest members have come to depend on FEP's long-standing dependability and commitment to providing the best value in healthcare services. We are proud to continue to earn their trust with our established abilities to deliver responsive, quality care in a timely manner."

The Blue Cross and Blue Shield Government-wide Service Benefit Plan, or FEP, has been part of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program since its inception in 1960. FEP covers roughly 4.7 million federal employees, retirees and their families who receive their benefits through FEHBP. BCBSA works with the Office of Personnel Management to administer the Service Benefit Plan on behalf of the 39 independent Blue Cross and Blue Shield Plans.

http://www.bcbs.com/news/bcbsa/blue-cross-and-blue-shield-fep-basic-option-increases-enrollment.html Bada bing!

Nailed it.:thumbsup:

[Smurf-Herder]

Bada bing!

Nailed it.:thumbsup:

Thank you :D