DEmocrats selling out our unemployed to illegals

[SeedyROM]

Shutting down Everify is a pathetic idea. Lou Dobbs covered this 3 weeks ago and I thought it was a bad idea. Apparantly Obama, Pelosi and Reid are in bed with the Chamber of Commerce and those twisted execuitves who want to conitue displacing American jobs with illegal aliens. Pat Buchanan would have been a good president.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?fc_c=1378334x2898236x87317091&id=31063

By the choices we make we define ourselves. We reveal our biases and beliefs. And so, too, do our institutions.

In writing the $789 billion stimulus bill, Congress revealed that, for all its "Buy American" blather, it does not truly put America first. It does not believe that 10 million jobless Americans, in the country their fathers built, should receive any preference in hiring 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens who broke into this country and owe her no loyalty, allegiance or love.

Is this a slur on the patriotism of some of our congressmen? You betcha.

What other conclusion can one reach after Congress refused to require that employers on construction projects, paid for by U.S. tax dollars in the stimulus bill, verify that their workers are Americans?

For that is precisely what Congress did.

The first paragraph of the front-page story in USA Today says it all. "Los Angeles -- Tens of thousands of jobs created by the economic stimulus law could end up filled by illegal immigrants, particularly in big states like California where undocumented workers are heavily represented in construction, experts on both sides of the issue say."

According to the Center for Immigration Studies, illegal aliens will take 300,000 of the 2 million construction jobs to be created by the stimulus bill. The CIS figure is based on Census Bureau estimates that 15 percent of all construction workers are illegal aliens or immigrants who are not authorized to work in the United States.

Robert Rector of Heritage Foundation concurs with the figures on the number of jobs Congress just voted to give to non-Americans.

"Without specific mechanisms to ensure that workers are U.S. citizens or legally authorized to work, it is likely that 15 percent of these workers, or 300,000, would be illegal immigrants."

Other experts put the figure far higher than 15 percent, and certainly higher in California and other Southwestern states, where illegals tend to congregate.

In taking these jobs, illegals will be shouldering aside unemployed Americans. Yet Congress could have, with one vote, guaranteed that virtually every job paid for by U.S. taxpayers would go to U.S. workers.

How? By mandating that all beneficiaries of stimulus money use the E-Verify program of the Department of Homeland Security, which lets employers check the validity of the Social Security number of all new hires. E-Verify is available on a voluntary basis. It is simple, swift and easy to use.

Indeed, E-Verify is becoming standard operating procedure for U.S. businesses that wish to obey the law. According to NumbersUSA, U.S. businesses have used E-Verify in 3 million inquiries this year alone. That is almost half the total of 6.6 million inquiries for all of 2008 and five times the rate of use in 2007.

E-Verify is a smashing success with an accuracy rate of over 99 percent that holds out promise of a day when every employer in America will be able to ensure that every employee is an American or someone authorized to work here. At its rising rate of use, one-fourth to one-third of all new hires could soon be checked by E-Verify.

Isn't this what we all want, what we have all sought -- an easy, verifiable, non-intrusive, inexpensive way for businesses to assure that those they hire are in our country legally?

No, it is not. For Tuesday night, the Senate voted to strip away this protection of American workers from the unfair competition of illegal aliens.

The Senate voted 50 to 47 to end E-Verify in six months, when current funding runs out. Sen. Jeff Sessions' proposal to give this successful program five more years was rejected 50 to 47.

Republicans and seven Democrats voted to save E-Verify. But only Democrats voted to kill it.

How did Harry Reid kill the E-Verify provision that was in the House version of the stimulus package? The Senate was not even allowed to vote on it. And when the two bills were reconciled in the Pelosi-Reid conference, E-Verify disappeared.

This was a huge victory for La Raza and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, whose lobbyists have labored long to ensure that their member companies pay no price for dumping U.S. workers and hiring illegal aliens.

Yet, this battle is not over. If Americans understand that the Pelosi-Reid Democrats have no problem with illegal aliens taking jobs from unemployed Americans, that party can be made to pay a price in 2010.

As of today, there exists a Republican-Blue Dog Democrat coalition in both houses that is serious about putting our country and countrymen first, be it on spending bills or trade measures. This is a foundation to build on.

E-Verify is not dead. For the Reid-Pelosi-Obama Left cannot survive the perception that it is aiding and abetting illegal aliens in taking the jobs of unemployed Americans.

[MintJulep]

Of course. Another potential voting bloc. God knows, Bam-bam is gonna need more than catchy, transparent phrases after he completely destroys the economy.

[SeedyROM]

Indeed! And dems said Obama knew how to handle the illegals issue. I see no agenda other than feeding the hands of greed and keeping good jobs from Americans.

[Cat slave]

Of course. Another potential voting bloc. God knows, Bam-bam is gonna need more than catchy, transparent phrases after he completely destroys the economy.


Youve got that right and it wont all fit on all the teleprompters he needs.

[MintJulep]

Youve got that right and it wont all fit on all the teleprompters he needs.:lmao2: :lmao2:

[Hog Trash]

Of course. Another potential voting bloc. God knows, Bam-bam is gonna need more than catchy, transparent phrases after he completely destroys the economy.It is absolutely amazing that people can continue to support Barack Hussein Obama when his policies make his intentions so very obvious.

By the way LL7, I am a very big fan of Ayn Rand! She escaped a socialist totalitarian nightmare and has tried to warn the world of the dangers.

:thumbsup:

[Hog Trash]

Hmmm?.....Not one cowardly fucking liberal dared enter this thread?

Maybe their trying to figure out how to blame this on Bush before commenting.

Liberals are filthy disgusting cockroaches...They make me fucking sick to my stomach!

[SeedyROM]

Hmmm?.....Not one cowardly fucking liberal dared enter this thread?

Maybe their trying to figure out how to blame this on Bush before commenting.

Liberals are filthy disgusting cockroaches...They make me fucking sick to my stomach!

They turn a blind eye to facts they know to be true. it is easier to pretend and ignore real issues than discuss them. Dems seem to feed on hatred of others.......its hard for them to disagree since they know eVerify is needed. I guess they chose to avoid the silly attack dog hatred since its so childish and it exposes thier ignorance and lack of understanding.

[The_Limit]

Ok, reality check time.

Immigrant workers slaving under the intense sun picking god knows what vegetables in a farm in California are not, I repeat not taking the jobs of Americans.

If Americans wanted those jobs, they would have took them long ago.

Realize, no one wants to do that kind of hard labour if they don't have to, and I mean no one - except migrants from Mexico who think its actually better than back home and will settle for peanuts in pay.

C'mon guys be real, you know damn well Americans just don't like that kind of shitty ass job.

[GetAClue]

Ok, reality check time.

Immigrant workers slaving under the intense sun picking god knows what vegetables in a farm in California are not, I repeat not taking the jobs of Americans.

If Americans wanted those jobs, they would have took them long ago.

Realize, no one wants to do that kind of hard labour if they don't have to, and I mean no one - except migrants from Mexico who think its actually better than back home and will settle for peanuts in pay.

C'mon guys be real, you know damn well Americans just don't like that kind of shitty ass job.

Yea, why should they work when their messiah has made them to believe that he will pay their gas and mortgage for them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

[Dale escondido]

Ok, reality check time.

Immigrant workers slaving under the intense sun picking god knows what vegetables in a farm in California are not, I repeat not taking the jobs of Americans.

If Americans wanted those jobs, they would have took them long ago.

Realize, no one wants to do that kind of hard labour if they don't have to, and I mean no one - except migrants from Mexico who think its actually better than back home and will settle for peanuts in pay.

C'mon guys be real, you know damn well Americans just don't like that kind of shitty ass job.

Take a trip to california and then say that.
Besides agriculture barely represents 2% of california jobs.
Illegals roof, work construction, drive trucks work for the cities.
Finally a fence company owner went to jail for 300 plus illegals.
But enforcement is difficult when the sanctuary city status is in place.
Even identifying a wanted felon as hispanic is tabu out here.
He might be from south america so that racist.

[Dale escondido]

And I am curious has canada ever relaxed its views on immigration?
If you do we have a few extras we can send you 65.
Slightly used, not abused and maybe your language is easier than ours as they do struggle with assimilation and language skills.
If you have good benefits they be willing to come.
Some of them even work.

[doctordog]

And I am curious has canada ever relaxed its views on immigration?
If you do we have a few extras we can send you 65.
Slightly used, not abused and maybe your language is easier than ours as they do struggle with assimilation and language skills.
If you have good benefits they be willing to come.
Some of them even work.

they would never go since technically Canadians are taxed for their healthcare, it isn't free. Immigrants can get free healthcare here.

[The Professor]

1. outstanding thread, outstanding post at the top of this thread, great topic, powerfully put

2. whether americans want that particular job or not there is no denying the obvious DOWNWARD PRESSURE illegals have on WAGES

3. illegals work a lot more than just ag, as has been pointed out, construction is most germaine to THIS TOPIC as we're talking plan pelosi, here, ie, the misnamed obama stimulus plan which the madame wrote, and 25% of construction jobs it's estimated are worked by illegals, you wanna argue the %?

4. we all saw ms pelosi in one of those clinging-to-their-bibles moments of INSIDER candor, the kind caught these days on CELL PHONES (LOL!), recently praising illegals for their PARTICULAR patriotism in breaking our SHAMEFUL laws, how UNAMERICAN are our enforcers...

5. illegals in crime, illegals in gangs, illegals in drugs, illegals in prison

6. the illegal drug war that's now spitting more than a few stray bullets in houston, atlanta, phoenix, the kidnap capitol of the world...

7. ayn rand is kinda a mentor of mine too, very very powerful writer, the single greatest FICTION i've ever read, atlas shrugged, thanks---ego is the fountainhead of all human greatness

8. i've only been around here like 2 weeks, so i'm in no position to know, but i can tell that right now defending the big dumb president is neither easy nor fun, plus the personal power of the conservatives i've encountered on this board, you know who you are, you add that up, and yeah, i would EXPECT obamites to start SHUTTING THE HELL UP

9. which is our MISSION---the PURPOSE of these chatrooms for us, and it works out in PRACTICE---thru the DOMINANCE of our RELENTLESS arguments, we SHUT UP 100's of THEM while simultaneously EMPOWERING 100's of us, it's true, it's real, it happens, and its EFFECTS can actually be FELT on the sunday talk shows

10. that is, several days after ALL THE CHATROOMS are dominatingly asserting that OBAMA DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL HE'S DOING, david gibson on meet the press starts kinda questioning...

LOLOL!!!

keep up the good work, MINDS of the RIGHT!

EXACTLY as done on THIS thread!

SHUT THEIR SOCIALIST MOUTHS!

DRIVE THEM UNDERGROUND!

MAKE THEM ASHAMED OF THE AMATEUR THEY PUT IN THERE!

etc

cliffy

[Smurf-Herder]

Professor, my goal is not to shut their mouths, but to open their eyes, that they may see.

[The Professor]

and don't think they've gone away either

they can't

they are FASCINATED by the topic

FASCINATED by us, whom they are coming just to HATE

they will hover around these arguments like flies

for quite awhile

until they finally give up

but just wait---should, by some miracle, or fluke, obama actually start to do some few things right

they'll be back from wherever it is they go

getting all hyphy and hi fivey

in the meantime, a very few honest ones will slowly come to see the FUTILITY of SOCIALIST ways

start to divorce their egos from the reasoned evidence before their eyes

and some will become ASHAMED

as he lets them DOWN

those who actually BELIEVED his pretty poetry

etc

you'll see

i've been here before, many times

DOWN WITH OBAMA!

SILENCE UPON HIS USED-TO-BE SUPPORTERS!

NO MERCY, NO LET UP!

DRIVE THEM UNDER!

clifford

[Bill Cosby]

Ok, reality check time.

Immigrant workers slaving under the intense sun picking god knows what vegetables in a farm in California are not, I repeat not taking the jobs of Americans.

If Americans wanted those jobs, they would have took them long ago.

Realize, no one wants to do that kind of hard labour if they don't have to, and I mean no one - except migrants from Mexico who think its actually better than back home and will settle for peanuts in pay.

C'mon guys be real, you know damn well Americans just don't like that kind of shitty ass job.

Well I live in Calif......... I think I & you would do it for the right price....

Americans are not willing to do the job~ they are unwilling to do it for the pay...

Who benifits from this cheap labor???

[The_Limit]

And I am curious has canada ever relaxed its views on immigration?
If you do we have a few extras we can send you 65.
Slightly used, not abused and maybe your language is easier than ours as they do struggle with assimilation and language skills.
If you have good benefits they be willing to come.
Some of them even work.

The truth is, in five years Canada is actually facing a desperate labour shortage.

Not enough Canadians having kids. Low birth rate, plus a big swath of the population - the baby boomers- will retire.

Sure, we'll take some.

We need them.

[The_Limit]

Take a trip to california and then say that.
Besides agriculture barely represents 2% of california jobs.
Illegals roof, work construction, drive trucks work for the cities.
Finally a fence company owner went to jail for 300 plus illegals.
But enforcement is difficult when the sanctuary city status is in place.
Even identifying a wanted felon as hispanic is tabu out here.
He might be from south america so that racist.

I've been to California several times.

I do not for a single second believe it is in anyway the fault of the migrant worker. In fact, this was a topic of discussion last night at our church youth group meeting.

Its not their fault they are willing to jump through hoops, and do whatever it takes to get a job and give their kids a fighting chance in the land of the free, home of the brave.

Are you telling me, when the word is passed around that so and so company is looking for roofers, construction workers, janitors, tomato pickers, etc; that Americans somehow are beaten to the punch by migrant workers?

Bullshit.

If you're an American, and an immigrant worker knows of a job thats hiring before you do, than thats on you. There is no excuse not to be on the internet everyday, looking for jobs, handing in resumes or whatever. How can an illegal immigrant be in the know and you are not?

If some freakin' immigrant, soaked and pulling himself out of the Rio Grande knows of a job before you do, you probably do not want to work anyway.

Theres just no excuse. None.

By the way, on a political level. Hispanic families actually have a lot more in common with conservative values than most of you guys realize.

I think its a shame the GOP is just surrendering them to the dems.

Hispanics are very hard workers. Very religious, extremely family orientated, have strong morals and most are 99 per cent against abortion.

They are natural Republicans and conservatives.

[GetAClue]

I've been to California several times.

I do not for a single second believe it is in anyway the fault of the migrant worker. In fact, this was a topic of discussion last night at our church youth group meeting.
Its not their fault they are willing to jump through hoops, and do whatever it takes to get a job and give their kids a fighting chance in the land of the free, home of the brave.

Are you telling me, when the word is passed around that so and so company is looking for roofers, construction workers, janitors, tomato pickers, etc; that Americans somehow are beaten to the punch by migrant workers?

Bullshit.

If you're an American, and an immigrant worker knows of a job thats hiring before you do, than thats on you. There is no excuse not to be on the internet everyday, looking for jobs, handing in resumes or whatever. How can an illegal immigrant be in the know and you are not?

If some freakin' immigrant, soaked and pulling himself out of the Rio Grande knows of a job before you do, you probably do not want to work anyway.

Theres just no excuse. None.

By the way, on a political level. Hispanic families actually have a lot more in common with conservative values than most of you guys realize.

I think its a shame the GOP is just surrendering them to the dems.

Hispanics are very hard workers. Very religious, extremely family orientated, have strong morals and most are 99 per cent against abortion.

They are natural Republicans and conservatives.


Do you talk this way at youth group?

[SeniorChief]

I've been to California several times.



Why doesn't that surprise me?

[GetAClue]

I've been to California several times.

I do not for a single second believe it is in anyway the fault of the migrant worker. In fact, this was a topic of discussion last night at our church youth group meeting.

Its not their fault they are willing to jump through hoops, and do whatever it takes to get a job and give their kids a fighting chance in the land of the free, home of the brave.

Are you telling me, when the word is passed around that so and so company is looking for roofers, construction workers, janitors, tomato pickers, etc; that Americans somehow are beaten to the punch by migrant workers?

Bullshit.

If you're an American, and an immigrant worker knows of a job thats hiring before you do, than thats on you. There is no excuse not to be on the internet everyday, looking for jobs, handing in resumes or whatever. How can an illegal immigrant be in the know and you are not?

If some freakin' immigrant, soaked and pulling himself out of the Rio Grande knows of a job before you do, you probably do not want to work anyway.

Theres just no excuse. None.

By the way, on a political level. Hispanic families actually have a lot more in common with conservative values than most of you guys realize.

I think its a shame the GOP is just surrendering them to the dems.

Hispanics are very hard workers. Very religious, extremely family orientated, have strong morals and most are 99 per cent against abortion.

They are natural Republicans and conservatives.


I don't think you understand the argument. No one is blaming the individual that comes here in any way possible to try to make a better life. Mine and everyone else on these boards’ ancestors all came here for the same reason.

This issue is in the way that our government turns a blind eye to the illegal aspect of it while demonizing those of us that want these people to follow our laws and go thru the legal process like everyone else. If a family from Mexico goes thru the process and immigrates to this country legally, embraces our laws and becomes an American first, not a Mexican American I will welcome them with open arms.

The problem is that a number of them come here, disrespect our laws, demand government assistance, refuse to learn the language and proclaim a loyalty to Mexico. Those people are the ones that can get back on the bus and head south until they cross the river.

[Hog Trash]

I've been to California several times.

I do not for a single second believe it is in anyway the fault of the migrant worker. In fact, this was a topic of discussion last night at our church youth group meeting.

Its not their fault they are willing to jump through hoops, and do whatever it takes to get a job and give their kids a fighting chance in the land of the free, home of the brave.

Are you telling me, when the word is passed around that so and so company is looking for roofers, construction workers, janitors, tomato pickers, etc; that Americans somehow are beaten to the punch by migrant workers?

Bullshit.

If you're an American, and an immigrant worker knows of a job thats hiring before you do, than thats on you. There is no excuse not to be on the internet everyday, looking for jobs, handing in resumes or whatever. How can an illegal immigrant be in the know and you are not?

If some freakin' immigrant, soaked and pulling himself out of the Rio Grande knows of a job before you do, you probably do not want to work anyway.

Theres just no excuse. None.

By the way, on a political level. Hispanic families actually have a lot more in common with conservative values than most of you guys realize.

I think its a shame the GOP is just surrendering them to the dems.

Hispanics are very hard workers. Very religious, extremely family orientated, have strong morals and most are 99 per cent against abortion.

They are natural Republicans and conservatives.America is a nation of immigrants and supports immigrantion....Immigrants are welcome as long as they are law-abiding and come here legally....They will be welcomed with open-arms.

If Mexicans don't wish to come here the right way then they should grow some balls and fight the corruption and poverty in their own country that they are fleeing from.

Americans worked hard, sweated, struggled, fought, killed, bled, died, and sacrificed in every way immaginable to build what is now America.

I suppose some people believe it's easier to take what someone else has sacrificed, worked for, built and created than to do these things themselves.

Coming here illegally and taking what is ours is the same thing as breaking into someones home uninvited and taking or using their possesions without permission and being offended if they complain.

Americans are the most generous and charitable people in the world, but don't tell us we owe you anything or take what we have without asking.

Many Americans are not liberals and will kick your ass for coming into their home uninvited and taking advantage of their good nature.......As it should be!!!

[Hog Trash]

Why doesn't that surprise me?Keep in mind Chief....Like California, Canada is a sespool of liberalism also....The_Limit most likely had been socialized before he ever arrived on the left coast.

I doubt he has ever been exposed to independent, self-sufficiant people who don't depend on a nanny government to make their decisions and take care of them.

[SeniorChief]

I doubt he has ever been exposed to independent, self-sufficiant people who don't depend on a nanny government to make their decisions and take care of them.

Hard to find in a government owned trailer court.

[The Professor]

1. me too---NEVER resorting to PROFANITY is a mark of DISCIPLINE, ie, manliness

2. for goodness' sake, land---a couple 100,000 illegals is one thing, THIRTY MILLION is, well, it's an issue, put it that way

3. would be even for CANADA (LOL!)

4. arguing in AIR is mere argumentation, keep your FEET on the EARTH

5. ie, THIRTY MILLION---that's REAL

cliff

[Dale escondido]

I've been to California several times.

I do not for a single second believe it is in anyway the fault of the migrant worker. In fact, this was a topic of discussion last night at our church youth group meeting.

Its not their fault they are willing to jump through hoops, and do whatever it takes to get a job and give their kids a fighting chance in the land of the free, home of the brave.

Are you telling me, when the word is passed around that so and so company is looking for roofers, construction workers, janitors, tomato pickers, etc; that Americans somehow are beaten to the punch by migrant workers?

Bullshit.

If you're an American, and an immigrant worker knows of a job thats hiring before you do, than thats on you. There is no excuse not to be on the internet everyday, looking for jobs, handing in resumes or whatever. How can an illegal immigrant be in the know and you are not?

If some freakin' immigrant, soaked and pulling himself out of the Rio Grande knows of a job before you do, you probably do not want to work anyway.

Theres just no excuse. None.

By the way, on a political level. Hispanic families actually have a lot more in common with conservative values than most of you guys realize.

I think its a shame the GOP is just surrendering them to the dems.

Hispanics are very hard workers. Very religious, extremely family orientated, have strong morals and most are 99 per cent against abortion.

They are natural Republicans and conservatives.

20% of every mexican citizen is in the US possibly more.
This is not counting legals.
L.A is the second largest spanish speaking city in the world.
No city in spain has more.
Mexico city is no 1.
If I couldnt feed my family and could illegally work anywhere I would.
Thats not the issue.
Government allows this to happen to drive wages down to compete globally and that all there is to it.
We are an experiment in global economy 101.
Those who fought for the establishment of and the continuation of this nation probably didnt think they were fighting for a test program?

[SeedyROM]

Ok, reality check time.

Immigrant workers slaving under the intense sun picking god knows what vegetables in a farm in California are not, I repeat not taking the jobs of Americans.

If Americans wanted those jobs, they would have took them long ago.

Realize, no one wants to do that kind of hard labour if they don't have to, and I mean no one - except migrants from Mexico who think its actually better than back home and will settle for peanuts in pay.

C'mon guys be real, you know damn well Americans just don't like that kind of shitty ass job.


Wrong, Americans worked these jobs for decades. Right now many would settle for manual labor if they could find a job!! You make excuses to appease illegals who take the money overseas and they don't pay taxes, so wrong and I bet you are against any illegal taking your job which is also happening all over the country. Illegals are taking white collar jobs too. Americans worked farms since the beginning........you forgot the history of this country when you typed the nonsense above.

Fact is people like you guarantee the rich will get richer off illeagal labor instead of passing the profits to legal Americans. The deception is quite clear, the owners make more and they could careless about operating in a lawful manner.

[SeedyROM]

I'll gladly pay 25 cents more for lettuce and tomatoes just as I'd pay a dollar more for a meal if they could honestly justify the costs. But the fact is many companies do not use illegal labor and thier food costs are roughly the same so its quite obvious illegal aliens are not needed to keep costs down. Unless of course you like seeing Americans unemployed and US dollars going to Mexico and you are okay with TAX CHEATS!!!!!

Some of you people have bought the fake stories and political fakeness!!