View Full Version : Did the Dems want Bush to succeed at anything?
MintJulep
03-13-2009, 03:07 PM
No. There is no evidence democrats wanted Bush to succeed in his Presidency.
If anyone has an example of a leading democrat supporting or rallying their constituents to support the President, please share.
The memories of the past eight years of vaucous hate are still fresh in my mind, thank you very much.
MintJulep
03-13-2009, 03:10 PM
From my recollection, typical sentiments on the left were:
"Bush betrayed the country"
"Chimpy-Bushitler O'Halliburton"
"Bush lied, people died"
"War for oil"
"THE WAR IS LOST"
Support?
I think not....
Mr. Blue
03-13-2009, 03:23 PM
The War on Terror. Directly after 9/11 and for a period afterwards, Democrats did support most of what Bush was putting forward, barring a few loose cannons.
Now, it could have been because his poll numbers were through the roof, but there was support there. It kind of became amusing later when Democrats said they were tricked by Bush, basically admitting that they allowed one of the stupidest Presidents ever to trick them...which says what about them?
Also, they did give Bush a freehand, whether they wanted him to succeed or fail, that was his own policy that ultimately decided that issue. Unlike most people, I'm more than willing to say the last 8 years was the blame of both parties, more so Reps, because they had control of the Whitehouse and congress for a good amount of time...but that doesn't mean I give Democrats a freehand in the last 8 years, like they were somehow in the audience not participating in the process.
Ultimately though this argument of whether Republicans / Democrats support each other doesn't really matter. Bush's policy failed and it wasn't because you had a bunch of people yelling at him from the side.
Obama's success or failure will basically come down to policy. Republicans radio talk show hosts can talk until they're blue in the face, but that doesn't change the fact that Obama is in control and people booing and hissing him won't mean a damn thing in the final outcome. The final outcome rests solely on his shoulders...right now he's not doing a good job of it. He may turn it around, but ultimately success / failure rests on his shoulders, not someone on the sidelines criticizing him.
More witch hunts I see. It's sad really.
I wanted the Bush tax cuts to succeed and create new jobs but I knew they wouldn't.
I wanted "no child left behind" to improve our education system but obviously it wasn't going to.
I would have loved for the Iraq war to take 6 months and cost $65 Billion but I knew it wouldn't.
I would love to have unemployment back at 4.2% just like when he took office. I would love for American to have a balanced budget like he had when he took office.
I didn't want him to fail. Sure I knew he was going to fail but that doesn't mean I wished for it. It was just obvious based on the history of his 3 businesses and how his family profited from crashing financial institutions.
doctordog
03-13-2009, 03:37 PM
More witch hunts I see. It's sad really.
I wanted the Bush tax cuts to succeed and create new jobs but I knew they wouldn't.
I wanted "no child left behind" to improve our education system but obviously it wasn't going to.
I would have loved for the Iraq war to take 6 months and cost $65 Billion but I knew it wouldn't.
I would love to have unemployment back at 4.2% just like when he took office. I would love for American to have a balanced budget like he had when he took office.
I didn't want him to fail. Sure I knew he was going to fail but that doesn't mean I wished for it. It was just obvious based on the history of his 3 businesses and how his family profited from crashing financial institutions.
His tax cuts created more jobs that throwing money at welfare recipients will. Reagan created a great economy and OBama ignored these changes and is already halfway to China with hole he has put this country in.
MintJulep
03-13-2009, 04:53 PM
I wanted the Bush tax cuts to succeed and create new jobs but I knew they wouldn't.Oh, but they did create new jobs. What Keith Olbermann isn't telling you is that there were 52 straight weeks of positive job growth during the Bush admin.
I wanted "no child left behind" to improve our education system but obviously it wasn't going to.I agree that it has left much to be desired.
I would have loved for the Iraq war to take 6 months and cost $65 Billion but I knew it wouldn't.Name one war where a price tag and time limit were determined, in advance.
I would love to have unemployment back at 4.2% just like when he took office. I would love for American to have a balanced budget like he had when he took office.Bush inherited a recession, followed-up by 9/11. The tax cuts did help and unemployment was relatively low throughout his entire term.
I didn't want him to fail. Sure I knew he was going to fail but that doesn't mean I wished for it. It was just obvious based on the history of his 3 businesses and how his family profited from crashing financial institutions.In that case, I know Obama will be a complete failure because he has ZERO Executive experience or economic background. *My* crystal ball is predicting we're royally screwed.
SeedyROM
03-13-2009, 05:45 PM
Exactly!! Millions of jobs created while Bush was president. The economy was still in a decline due to the failing Clinton administration because Clinton refused to regulate corporations using tricky dick accounting, tech and internet stock scandals were left unregulated by Clinton. Bush didn't regulate much better but Bush inheirted a mess left by Clinton and Gore!!
Clinton and Gore's lack of regulation cost Americans jobs as the economy fell apart due to acounting and stock scandals. Clinton passed many laws that lead to the housing and energy scandals!
Bush was inaugurated into a weak defense and a weak intelligence and weak law enforcement policies that allowed terrorists to conspire and execute 9/11.
The housing scandal shares equal blame to reps and especially dems who refused to come to the aid of their president who wanted to regulate and curtail banking, dems said no repeatedly. Bush bought into the hysteria of false information generated by banks and supported by Crook Frank and Crook Dodd........son of a convicted crook!! :hi:
The econmy never had a chance after 9/11 because we never fully recovered from the Clinton scandals. The attacks destroyed decades of
hard work. The markets went up while GDP dropped slowly then recovered only to drop again. The economy would have fallen even if Gore had beat Bush in 2000. Dems were acting like sore losers, Al Gore was the only dem who accepted the Supreme Court ruling, everyone else whined Bush stole the election.....a total fabrication. Yes many dems wanted Bush to fail.
What we didn't see coming was the Far Left Freak Circus of lying, deceiving degenerate scumbag losers who were rising up and taking power from moderate and centrist dems who now have a smaller voice in the legislature. Nazi Pelosi and Scary Reid have demoralized the nation into a frenzy, these 2 degenerates are unfit to lead the legislature and they are not providing leadership. People like Reid and Nazi Pelosi secretly wanted Bush to fail, that I am sure of. Thier agenda towards Bush and Reps was all for a power grab. I have no respect for those scumbags who shit on the troops and call themselves Patriotic, I'd rather see those two exectuted than have the gavels removed from them.
There is no witchhunt on this thread, that I can assure you all!
SeedyROM
03-13-2009, 05:52 PM
His tax cuts created more jobs that throwing money at welfare recipients will. Reagan created a great economy and OBama ignored these changes and is already halfway to China with hole he has put this country in.
Yes he did. For years Dems have priased the work of Reagan but htanks to the Marxist Potus Obama and his evil minion Rahm Emanual are making up lies about Reaganomics and dems are beng programmed to think Reagan was wrong but none of them have economic training, none can support thier facts with old data, they are using newly fabricated numbers that do not support the facts. Lies and spin do not sell the false story of Reaganomics. Dems pretend to forget how many times Obama touted the polices of Reagan. Dems pretend to forget that Obama campaigned on Reagan style policies. Hell they couldn't make up thier minds which president Obama was like, it was all talk and no proof except for the talk that Obama is like Carter.......that is hope and change no one wants to believe in. ;)
Oh, but they did create new jobs. What Keith Olbermann isn't telling you is that there were 52 straight weeks of positive job growth during the Bush admin.
Positive job growth when the number of people entering the work force is a default. The unemployment numbers rose under Bush just like they did under every Republican President outside of Reagan.
Stop listening to the pundits and check the numbers for yourself. You'll quickly see that the Bush administration saw an increase in unemployment that even beat out Nixon. It was the worst in generations.
I'll be happy to post those numbers again but I'm getting kind of bored with it.
If 100 people enter the work force but only 80 new jobs are created that's usually considered negative job growth, unless of course you're a pundit.
Lady, I see that you've totally abandoned your attempt to show the leading dems that wanted Bush to fail and now you're taking a different approach. It's sad that you're not big enough to admit that you made a mistake but it's expected.
doctordog
03-13-2009, 06:31 PM
Positive job growth when the number of people entering the work force is a default. The unemployment numbers rose under Bush just like they did under every Republican President outside of Reagan.
Stop listening to the pundits and check the numbers for yourself. You'll quickly see that the Bush administration saw an increase in unemployment that even beat out Nixon. It was the worst in generations.
I'll be happy to post those numbers again but I'm getting kind of bored with it.
If 100 people enter the work force but only 80 new jobs are created that's usually considered negative job growth, unless of course you're a pundit.
we don't count illegal aliens and season migrate workers:disbelief:
SeedyROM
03-13-2009, 06:51 PM
Positive job growth when the number of people entering the work force is a default. The unemployment numbers rose under Bush just like they did under every Republican President outside of Reagan.
Stop listening to the pundits and check the numbers for yourself. You'll quickly see that the Bush administration saw an increase in unemployment that even beat out Nixon. It was the worst in generations.
I'll be happy to post those numbers again but I'm getting kind of bored with it.
If 100 people enter the work force but only 80 new jobs are created that's usually considered negative job growth, unless of course you're a pundit.
SM you are 46 years old so I know you've been around long enough to learn that markets and the economy cannot and will not go up forever. A lot of Bush polices towards corporations and tax cuts kept the economy going even though the decline was inveitable. If the liberal media hadn't beat down on one Howard Dean speech then Dean would have been blamed for the decline. Regardless of the party in power the economy is going to tilt and roll over.
SeedyROM
03-13-2009, 06:51 PM
Lady, I see that you've totally abandoned your attempt to show the leading dems that wanted Bush to fail and now you're taking a different approach. It's sad that you're not big enough to admit that you made a mistake but it's expected.
Wait for the video, I shall backup the Lady's words because the proof is out there.
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