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SeedyROM
03-12-2009, 04:43 PM
Obama is a failure as President, so says the survey!!

You voted for the wrong candidate!!

Obama is not the President Democrats Voted For!!!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123671107124286261.html
President Barack Obama and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner received failing grades for their efforts to revive the economy from participants in the latest Wall Street Journal forecasting survey.

Economists Give Obama an "F"

In striking contrast to President Obama's popularity with the public, a new Wall Street Journal survey of economists gives the president and his treasury secretary failing grades. WSJ's Phil Izzo and Kelly Evans discuss.
The economists' assessment stands in stark contrast with Mr. Obama's popularity with the public, with a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC poll giving him a 60% approval rating. A majority of the 49 economists polled said they were dissatisfied with the administration's economic policies.

On average, they gave the president a grade of 59 out of 100, and although there was a broad range of marks, 42% of respondents rated Mr. Obama below 60. Mr. Geithner received an average grade of 51. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke scored better, with an average 71.

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See forecasts for growth, unemployment, housing and more. Plus, views on the auto industry, ranking Fed chairmen, grading policymakers and more. Survey conducted March 6-10. (Or download all data as .xls)Real Time Econ: Economic news and analysisComplete Coverage: Forecasting SurveyThe economists, many of whom have been continually surprised by the depth of the downturn, also pushed back yet again their forecasts for when a recovery would begin. On average, they expect the downturn to end in October. Last month, they said the bottom would arrive in August. They estimate that U.S. gross domestic product will continue to contract in the first half of this year, with slow growth returning in the third quarter..

Economists were divided over whether the $787 billion economic-stimulus package passed last month is enough. Some 43% said the U.S. will need another stimulus package on the order of nearly $500 billion. Others were skeptical of the need for stimulus at all.

However, economists' main criticism of the Obama team centered on delays in enacting key parts of plans to rescue banks. "They overpromised and underdelivered," said Stephen Stanley of RBS Greenwich Capital. "Secretary Geithner scheduled a big speech and came out with just a vague blueprint. The uncertainty is hanging over everyone's head."

Mr. Geithner unveiled the Obama administration's plans Feb. 10, but he offered few details, and stocks sank on the news. The Dow Jones Industrial Average is down almost 20% since the announcement, as multiple issues have weighed on investors' confidence. The Treasury secretary has since appeared before Congress and offered more specifics but has said action on key parts of the plan still is weeks away.

About the Survey
The Wall Street Journal surveys a group of 54 economists throughout the year. Broad surveys on more than 10 major economic indicators are conducted every month. Once a year, economists are ranked on how well their forecasts have fared. For prior installments of the surveys, see: WSJ.com/Economist.
"We have taken an unprecedented level of action toward economic recovery, accomplishing in weeks what took other countries years to do," Treasury spokesman Isaac Baker said. "While Wall Street and investors were disappointed when they didn't get a sweeping bank bailout, we've laid out a plan to stabilize the financial system while protecting the taxpayer and ensuring government funds are spent wisely. This crisis was years in the making, and it will take time to solve."

Treasury has started implementing a housing-recovery plan, moved forward on a joint program with the Fed to boost consumer lending, and has begun stress-testing banks in an effort to determine which institutions will need additional capital from the government. The results of the stress tests won't be known for a few weeks. Meanwhile, a key part of the plan -- a public-private partnership to take toxic assets off bank balance sheets -- remains in the planning stages.

The economists' negative ratings mark a turnaround in opinion. In December, before Mr. Obama took office, three-quarters of respondents said the incoming administration's economic team was better than the departing Bush team. However, Mr. Geithner's latest marks are lower than the average grade of 57 that former Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson received in January.

How's Geithner Doing?
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Vote: A | B | C | D | F Join the discussion.Mr. Geithner, who is relying on a skeleton crew of advisers in the Treasury Department as the administration struggles to make key appointments to his staff, is encountering the same problems as his predecessor in dealing with the complexities of a bailout plan. Richard DeKaser of Woodley Park Research, who gave high marks to Messrs. Obama and Geithner, admitted disappointment in the delay in action but said he appreciated the magnitude of the task. "I don't know what's holding it up," he said. "But I'm assuming it's not just because they're hitting the golf course."

There was widespread initial support for the appointment of Mr. Geithner, who as president of the New York Federal Reserve had been on the front lines of the crisis since it erupted. However, in the ensuing weeks Mr. Geithner has had to deal with tax troubles and criticism from those opposed to any bailouts as well as those who think the government needs to be doing more.

Meanwhile, the economists surveyed this month predict that the economy will shed another 2.8 million jobs over the next 12 months as the unemployment rate climbs to 9.3% by December, up from the 8.1% rate recorded in February. Economists also see nearly a one-in-six chance that the U.S. will fall into a depression, defined as a decline in per-person GDP or consumption by 10% or more.

"We just keep moving the date [when the recession will end] out, hoping at some point in time we will be able to move the date back in," said Diane Swonk of Mesirow Financial.

The economists didn't just single out the U.S. for criticism; 70% of participants said the response of governments around the world to the global recession has been inadequate. "The Europeans or Japanese don't seem to be doing near enough to kickstart their economies," said Nariman Behravesh of IHS Global Insight. "It could be we've done all the right things, but the rest of the world goes down the tubes."

Despite the growing criticism elsewhere, the respondents were broadly supportive of the Fed. More than 85% of the economists agreed that the central bank's proliferating lending programs are well-designed, well-executed and helping the economy. And while grades for Mr. Bernanke remain off of their 2007 highs, the average has stabilized after falling as low as 69 in the November survey.

Amid all the gloom, there is a bright spot: Four-fifths of the economists said now is a good time to buy equities, especially if the investor has a long-term view.

BlackAsCoal
03-12-2009, 04:47 PM
Comedy central ain't got nothing on some of the mindless ridiculous comments one can find on a message board.

EIGHT YEARS OF TOTAL REPUBLICAN FAILURE .. then about 2 months into Obama's presidency .. who is wildly supported by the American people .. the clowns on the right are ready to declare he's a failure.

:lmao2:

You guys bring such joy to the world. ;)

SeedyROM
03-12-2009, 04:57 PM
Comedy central ain't got nothing on some of the mindless ridiculous comments one can find on a message board.

EIGHT YEARS OF TOTAL REPUBLICAN FAILURE .. then about 2 months into Obama's presidency .. who is wildly supported by the American people .. the clowns on the right are ready to declare he's a failure.

:lmao2:

You guys bring such joy to the world. ;)

I'm not on the right dipshit, obviously you can't read nor remember what I've told you in the past. See my quotes.

Wake up and use some common sense, the thread is about the aritcle which you ignore like child would, so ridiculous!! Especially for someone who voted for Cythia Mckinney!! Would Mckinney waste the taxpayers dollars on pork projects that do not create jobs, would she lie to people and decieve them with alterior motives?

Obama support is falling because he is doing the exact opposite of what he campaigned for. Funny how you forget 8 years of democrat failure!!! God know they fucked up too!!! Talk about mindless, you are talking just like all the Tabula Rasa's!!!

ROdger Right
03-12-2009, 05:01 PM
Im still praying for that prediction i made about 7-4-09

mwillman
03-12-2009, 05:05 PM
Seedy

It doesn't matter what President Obama does you will still spew your vitriolic nonsense.

BlackAsCoal
03-12-2009, 05:11 PM
I'm not on the right dipshit, obviously you can't read nor remember what I've told you in the past. See my quotes.

Wake up and use some common sense, the thread is about the aritcle which you ignore like child would, so ridiculous!! Especially for someone who voted for Cythia Mckinney!! Would Mckinney waste the taxpayers dollars on pork projects that do not create jobs, would she lie to people and decieve them with alterior motives?

Obama support is falling because he is doing the exact opposite of what he campaigned for. Funny how you forget 8 years of democrat failure!!! God know they fucked up too!!! Talk about mindless, you are talking just like all the Tabula Rasa's!!!

Super-duper uber-stupid brother.

Uber-stupid.

The "survey" says that most Americans support Obama and his policies. I don't, but the American people do.

*8 years of democratic failure"? Clinton left office with thehighest approval rating of any president, including the vegetable with hair, Ronald Reagan .. AND, if not for term limits he would have been elected again. HE LEFT A FUCKING SURPLUS .. A BIG ONE.

I'm not a democrat, didn't vote for Clinton .. but does honesty count in debate or would you rather I use bumper-sticker logic?

It is INCREDIBLY silly to declare Obama's presidency a failure two months after he took office and I don't give a damn what party you belong to or who you voted for .. especially given the challenges he was handed when he took office.

As for Cynthia McKinney .. she could never have been president .. I knew that when I voted for her.

ROdger Right
03-12-2009, 05:27 PM
Well it may be silly but i doubt he will change my opinion in the next four years.

SeedyROM
03-12-2009, 05:39 PM
Seedy

It doesn't matter what President Obama does you will still spew your vitriolic nonsense.

Read the article, economists say Obama is making mistakes. You haters are all alike. You lack depth and clarity with your opinions and you fail to see the writing that is right in front of you. You are so full of hate you can't even comprehend the article nor its implications for the country.

BlackAsCoal
03-12-2009, 05:48 PM
Read the article, economists say Obama is making mistakes. You haters are all alike. You lack depth and clarity with your opinions and you fail to see the writing that is right in front of you. You are so full of hate you can't even comprehend the article nor its implications for the country.

Were you under any illusion that he would not make mistakes?

Can you tell me a of a single politician in the history of Man who did not make mistakes?

I absolutely agree that he is making mistakes, but it is uber-stupid to suggest he has a failed presidency two months into his term with any intelligent recognition of the challenges he faces.

That is stupid no matter how you paint it.

SeedyROM
03-12-2009, 05:51 PM
Super-duper uber-stupid brother.

Uber-stupid.

The "survey" says that most Americans support Obama and his policies. I don't, but the American people do.

*8 years of democratic failure"? Clinton left office with thehighest approval rating of any president, including the vegetable with hair, Ronald Reagan .. AND, if not for term limits he would have been elected again. HE LEFT A FUCKING SURPLUS .. A BIG ONE.

I'm not a democrat, didn't vote for Clinton .. but does honesty count in debate or would you rather I use bumper-sticker logic?

It is INCREDIBLY silly to declare Obama's presidency a failure two months after he took office and I don't give a damn what party you belong to or who you voted for .. especially given the challenges he was handed when he took office.

As for Cynthia McKinney .. she could never have been president .. I knew that when I voted for her.

Idiot, I wasn't talking about Clinton, I was talking about dem mistakes during the Bush years......there were many Bills that needed to be repealed and new regulations needed to regulate banking and wallstreet. Dems refused to vote for hope and change whn Bush asked for support!! It doesn't surpise me you overlooked dem failure because I doubt you care to admit dems were failures the last 8 years too!!!!! You are super fucking uber stupid!!:lmao2:

I didn't declare Obama to be a failure, the article suggests the survey grades Obama with the grade of an F that is a fact. You are so full of shit with your stupid hateful nonsense. You sould like one of those liberals who can't comprehend facts but I know better so maybe you need to smarten up. I never said Obama is a failure, I said his grade from economists grades him an F, F for Failure!! There is a big difference between humor and actual accusations, you need to comprehend the difference and be honest with your words. Spin don't fly here BAC.

Sometimes humor is actually just humor, maybe we should take up a collection and buy you sense of humor?:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

SirMoby
03-12-2009, 06:41 PM
About 1/2 of them think that the stimulus package needs to be $500 Billion more and about 1/2 think that we shouldn't have done anything.

What action do you think might have gotten a better score?

BlackAsCoal
03-12-2009, 06:51 PM
Idiot, I wasn't talking about Clinton, I was talking about dem mistakes during the Bush years......there were many Bills that needed to be repealed and new regulations needed to regulate banking and wallstreet. Dems refused to vote for hope and change whn Bush asked for support!! It doesn't surpise me you overlooked dem failure because I doubt you care to admit dems were failures the last 8 years too!!!!! You are super fucking uber stupid!!:lmao2:

I didn't declare Obama to be a failure, the article suggests the survey grades Obama with the grade of an F that is a fact. You are so full of shit with your stupid hateful nonsense. You sould like one of those liberals who can't comprehend facts but I know better so maybe you need to smarten up. I never said Obama is a failure, I said his grade from economists grades him an F, F for Failure!! There is a big difference between humor and actual accusations, you need to comprehend the difference and be honest with your words. Spin don't fly here BAC.

Sometimes humor is actually just humor, maybe we should take up a collection and buy you sense of humor?:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Trust me brother .. I find much humor here .. not much serious conversation .. but lots of humor.

BlackAsCoal
03-12-2009, 06:57 PM
About 1/2 of them think that the stimulus package needs to be $500 Billion more and about 1/2 think that we shouldn't have done anything.

What action do you think might have gotten a better score?

There is a reason why Obama left the wisdom of Krugman, Stiglitz, and Roubini out of his so-called "team of rivals." It's because his team of rivals are not rivals at all. Those three would be .. you know, the ones who have been right in predicting this collapse. Obama's team is filled with people who have been wrong and are still wrong.

The so-called stimulus is about half of what it should be, but that required bold action that ignored what all those who have been wrong would have to say about it.

That is something Obama does not have the political courage to do because he's a centrist .. courage never comes from the center.

SeedyROM
03-12-2009, 06:59 PM
About 1/2 of them think that the stimulus package needs to be $500 Billion more and about 1/2 think that we shouldn't have done anything.

What action do you think might have gotten a better score?

$500B would have produced a better score. Its also where the money is going that counts with economists. if more funds went towards jobs than pet projects then the score would have been better. Before the article loaded I expected the grade of C minus but economists don't consider anything but the number and the projected results. Now Obama and Pelosi talk about another TARP. They need to take a break and let the economy recover naturally because the CBO and bernake are right that we are bottoming out now. Spending will hurt the economy further.

SeedyROM
03-12-2009, 07:00 PM
Trust me brother .. I find much humor here .. not much serious conversation .. but lots of humor.

That's because you refuse to address the article. I'm having fun with you today, its a gas my brother. :lmao2: :thumbsup:

SeedyROM
03-12-2009, 07:04 PM
There is a reason why Obama left the wisdom of Krugman, Stiglitz, and Roubini out of his so-called "team of rivals." It's because his team of rivals are not rivals at all. Those three would be .. you know, the ones who have been right in predicting this collapse. Obama's team is filled with people who have been wrong and are still wrong.

The so-called stimulus is about half of what it should be, but that required bold action that ignored what all those who have been wrong would have to say about it.

That is something Obama does not have the political courage to do because he's a centrist .. courage never comes from the center.

Yes his cabinet is the wrong stuff, yet on another thread you suggest his cabinet makes Obama a centrist. Centrist is far from what Obama is, he was centrist when he was sworn in, but 51 days later centrist is fading fast. If his team are wrong then Obama looks even more foolish but I doubt he follows them too closely if at all. Obama is thinking for himself and it appears to be financially and economically dangerous.

SirMoby
03-12-2009, 07:08 PM
$500B would have produced a better score. Its also where the money is going that counts with economists. if more funds went towards jobs than pet projects then the score would have been better. Before the article loaded I expected the grade of C minus but economists don't consider anything but the number and the projected results. Now Obama and Pelosi talk about another TARP. They need to take a break and let the economy recover naturally because the CBO and bernake are right that we are bottoming out now. Spending will hurt the economy further.
Aren't most pet projects really localized job creation? Senators talk about jobs they create through the pork spending. They brag about bringing in more then their share.

I'd love to see the $8 Billion stripped out. I also voted against a representative and a senator that added massive amounts of pork to this bill. It's just other voters wanted to keep them and keep letting them add pork.

Did you vote for any incumbents that are adding pork? I didn't.

BlackAsCoal
03-12-2009, 07:09 PM
Yes his cabinet is the wrong stuff, yet on another thread you suggest his cabinet makes Obama a centrist. Centrist is far from what Obama is, he was centrist when he was sworn in, but 51 days later centrist is fading fast. If his team are wrong then Obama looks even more foolish but I doubt he follows them too closely if at all. Obama is thinking for himself and it appears to be financially and economically dangerous.

At what point are you going to post where I called hispanics "spics" or are you just that dishonest?

SeedyROM
03-12-2009, 07:12 PM
At what point are you going to post where I called hispanics "spics" or are you just that dishonest?

Go to the other thread, I posted it with a link. Stop lying.

BlackAsCoal
03-12-2009, 07:19 PM
Go to the other thread, I posted it with a link. Stop lying.

Oh yeah. so let me demonstrate your ignorance here as I did there.

Are you too stupid to know what comments in quotes mean?

Did I put those comments in quotes?

What does that mean?

Additionally, I'm black. Are you too stupid to realize the content of my comment when I said I don't know any "niggers or spics" ??? Are you really that stupid?

SeedyROM
03-12-2009, 07:24 PM
Oh yeah. so let me demonstrate your ignorance here as I did there.

Are you too stupid to know what comments in quotes mean?

Did I put those comments in quotes?

What does that mean?

Additionally, I'm black. Are you too stupid to realize the content of my comment when I said I don't know any "niggers or spics" ??? Are you really that stupid?

You just don't get it now do you, lol! :lmao2: :lmao2: Racists never learn:lmao2:

SeedyROM
03-12-2009, 07:50 PM
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