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Moby
02-26-2009, 03:21 PM
Another fine example of the sheep following the Neoconservative media being wrong and the source is a of course one of Boehner's boys (at least no tears today).

Here's Sean Hannity not only lying about but acting like he's actually the bill that he's discussing which obviously he hasn't.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200902250006?f=h_top


http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_11696283?nclick_check=1&forced=true

By Paul Rogers
Bay Area News Group
Posted: 02/13/2009 12:27:14 AM PST

It was the mouse that roared.

A 1-inch-tall endangered rodent found in the marshes of Palo Alto and other San Francisco Bay cities became a national symbol of wasteful spending Thursday for opponents of President Obama's stimulus plans.

"Pork for Rats?" CNN trumpeted. "Pelosi's mouse slated for $30M slice of cheese," proclaimed the Washington Times.

Trouble is, the facts were mostly wrong. But the lightning speed of Internet news enabled it to take on urban legend stature within hours.

The tale began Wednesday, when Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, sent an e-mail to reporters and political leaders that noted Republican staff members have been asking federal agencies how they would spend the stimulus money.

"One response? Thirty million dollars for wetland restoration in the San Francisco Bay Area — including work to protect the salt marsh harvest mouse," wrote Steel.

The Washington Times then wrote a story citing Steel and claiming that $30 million for the mouse project is contained in the bill. The paper suggested the money was put there by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco. Blogger Matt Drudge, whose Web site receives 26 million hits a day, posted a link to that story.

And by mid-day Thursday, the tiny salt marsh harvest mouse — and Democratic supporters of the stimulus bill — had been ridiculed by hosts Megyn Kelly and Bill Hemmer on Fox News;

Rep. Mike Pence, R-Indiana on CNN; MSNBC host Joe Scarborough and by bloggers from coast to coast.

Steel, however, said the Washington Times story is incorrect.

"There is no language in the bill that says this money will go to this project," Steel told the San Jose Mercury News. "There are large pots of money in the bill that go to various agencies. One of those agencies said the salt marsh harvest mouse project is something we'd do if you gave us the money."

Pelosi spokesman Drew Hamill agreed that funding for the mouse is not in the bill, and said she did not lobby for it to be on any list.

Then where did the $30 million figure come from, if it's not in the bill? It turns out that $30 million is the total amount that the California Coastal Conservancy, a state agency, recommended more than a month ago to numerous federal agencies, looking for lists of "shovel ready" projects as part of the stimulus bill planning.

The conservancy's wish list included five major ongoing wetlands restoration projects totaling nearly 4,000 acres, said civil engineer Steve Ritchie, a Coastal Conservancy staff member who helped draw it up. And the federal Army Corps of Engineers included all five projects on its own list of possible ways to spend stimulus money.

The projects, which range from Napa County to Silicon Valley, involve moving levees, creating islands and converting former industrial salt ponds back to marshes. Each could begin by year's end and would benefit dozens of species, including salmon, steelhead trout, ducks, egrets, and yes, the endangered mouse, Ritchie said.

The work also would provide increased flood protection to homes and businesses around San Francisco Bay, he said. In 2003, the Bush administration endorsed and helped fund the largest of the projects, the purchase of former Cargill salt ponds for wetlands restoration.

"This isn't school kids planting little sprigs of plants. We are talking about thousands of acres, building levees and islands with heavy equipment," said Ritchie. "It's at least 100 new jobs."

Even if the stimulus passes, there's no guarantee the projects will get the money, since they're not named in the bill. That will be up to the Army Corps of Engineers, which does everything from harbor dredging to building dams to restoring wetlands.

Is Ritchie upset his "wish list" became a national punching bag?

"In the atmosphere we're in you expect it," Ritchie said. "But the disappointing part is that this isn't just about one critter. It's about jobs, construction, flood control — there's a lot there."

Moby
02-26-2009, 03:22 PM
After the China oil drilling, the Michelle Obama calling out "Whitey", being told republicans stand for conservative spending you think people would wake up and stop listening. Sheep will be sheep.

Dale escondido
02-26-2009, 03:35 PM
After the China oil drilling, the Michelle Obama calling out "Whitey", being told republicans stand for conservative spending you think people would wake up and stop listening. Sheep will be sheep.

Its discouraging that this is done as it destroys the credibility of anything we feel is source materials.
We have to beware when we do anything personal or in business as deciet is respected as smart or cunning.
You seem to seek out only certain groups that practice this.
It does make you seem a little bias.

Hog Trash
02-26-2009, 03:40 PM
Bay Area mouse spurs national debate over stimulus bill
You defend the indefensable Moby....Regardless of your attempt to justify your beloved Obama and this wasteful Congress, the fact remains that this has nothing to do with stimulating the economy, and shouldn't have been included in a Stimulus Bill, along with about 400 billion dollars of even more waste.

If you believe people were quick to judge the Stimulus Bill, don't you think we can attribute this to Congress and Obama's rush to push it through the house before anyone had time to read it thoroughly?....We still don't know what all is in there....Knowing how beholding this Congress and Obama is to the left, we may be shocked at what might show up.

SeedyROM
02-26-2009, 11:59 PM
Some say the Pokulus is 7% stimulus and 93% spending. It is quite obvious that pork waste is out of control. I say 60% is wasteful spending that will create few if any jobs, pork waste is all about taking advantage of the people. Something democrats did the last 8 years. Dems didn't mind Bush signing every Bill into law because dems were stealing from taxpayers to fund pet projects.

The San Jose new paper is covering up facts, that is quite obvious. The earmark requests are there, I'll trust the Washington Times over a patheitc liberal rag that is losing money because they spend al thier time inventing lies to cover up for NAZI PELOSI!!

Moby
02-27-2009, 02:23 PM
You defend the indefensable Moby....Regardless of your attempt to justify your beloved Obama and this wasteful Congress, the fact remains that this has nothing to do with stimulating the economy, and shouldn't have been included in a Stimulus Bill, along with about 400 billion dollars of even more waste.
I'm not defending anything here Hog, although as usual I can depend on you to make might point so much stronger when talking about the sheep that follow the Neoconservative pundits that you so enjoy listening to.

Where did you get that $400 Billion number Hog? We all know that you didn't read the bill so where did that number come from? :thumbsup:

Even in a thread about how the sheep follow the pundits no matter what, you follow the pundits no matter what. :lmao2:

SeedyROM
02-27-2009, 07:18 PM
He's right Hog, hes not directly defending, but he is attacking. The article is the usual liberal deception decigned to appease a corrupt political party that is as wasteful as it could possibly be. Posting the article though could be construed as defending wasteful spending. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone were honest and in aggreement that Porkulus is full of wasteful spending??

Moby
02-27-2009, 08:25 PM
He's right Hog, hes not directly defending, but he is attacking. The article is the usual liberal deception decigned to appease a corrupt political party that is as wasteful as it could possibly be. Posting the article though could be construed as defending wasteful spending. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone were honest and in aggreement that Porkulus is full of wasteful spending??
Would you please stop following me around and harassing me? Certainly you must have something better to do then try to take threads off topic.

SeedyROM
02-28-2009, 12:28 AM
Would you please stop following me around and harassing me? Certainly you must have something better to do then try to take threads off topic.

The thread is not off topic, your games are off topic.