For The Sheep - Obama's Records Not Illegally Handed Out!

[Moby]

So some guy that works for a right wing media organization sends an email requesting Obama's birth records. They get the response that it's illegal for them to hand them out to just anyone. The guy then write a book and makes the claim that the records are sealed and THE SHEEP buy it.

Have any of you sheep that buy into this story sent an email trying to get a copy of someone else's birth certificate? Maybe you should try to get copies of Sarah Palin's birth certificate and see if the Alaska Governor will send you her personal documents.

Let's try Angelina Jolie Voight. Maybe Arny will break the law and send you a copy by email.

Let's try to get some university records. Pick a famous person and send an email demanding that you have copies of all personal records pertaining to an individual that you are not related to in any way shape or form and see what happens.

You see how the mass hysteria starts and the sheep follow? :lmao2:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=79174

Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.

The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama.

"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information.

Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.

WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft.

Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama.

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The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth.

The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf.

WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4."

In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for 1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed.

The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby.

In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born" citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1.

Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that he alleges exists.

In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4.

The Obama campaign website entitled "Fight the Smears" posts a state of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama reportedly was born.

"Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America."

Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess.

[Hog Trash]

So some guy that works for a right wing media organization sends an email requesting Obama's birth records. They get the response that it's illegal for them to hand them out to just anyone. The guy then write a book and makes the claim that the records are sealed and THE SHEEP buy it.

Have any of you sheep that buy into this story sent an email trying to get a copy of someone else's birth certificate? Maybe you should try to get copies of Sarah Palin's birth certificate and see if the Alaska Governor will send you her personal documents.

Let's try Angelina Jolie Voight. Maybe Arny will break the law and send you a copy by email.

Let's try to get some university records. Pick a famous person and send an email demanding that you have copies of all personal records pertaining to an individual that you are not related to in any way shape or form and see what happens.

You see how the mass hysteria starts and the sheep follow? :lmao2:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=79174This all seems a little suspicious to me, Moby.....Your reaction is also kind of odd.

What makes this oddly suspicious is the fact that you, of all people, aren't demanding evidence.

Hmmm?...I wonder what's up with that?...Are you also aware this is suspicious or are you maybe just stupid???

I myself believe there is too many locked doors and sealed lips for this to be anything but a coordinated coverup.

Your own link even makes this sound like a coverup. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=79174

[bairdi]

This all seems a little suspicious to me, Moby.....Your reaction is also kind of odd.

What makes this oddly suspicious is the fact that you, of all people, aren't demanding evidence.

Hmmm?...I wonder what's up with that?...Are you also aware this is suspicious or are you maybe just stupid???

I myself believe there is too many locked doors and sealed lips for this to be anything but a coordinated coverup.

Your own link even makes this sound like a coverup. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=79174
Once again you for you hawg. This is the United States of American where the burden of proof is placed upon the accuser not the accused. Go get your islamic fundamentalist self a one way ticket to the closet country that considers a person guilty until he proves his innocence. Your kind are not welcome in a free society.

[Moby]

This all seems a little suspicious to me, Moby.....Your reaction is also kind of odd.

What makes this oddly suspicious is the fact that you, of all people, aren't demanding evidence.
Hog, I am demanding evidence from all those making the false accusations. Why do you hate the American legal system where people are innocent until proven guilty.

If there is some actual evidence or legal precedence then by all means put it out there but so far there is just a bunch of fear mongering coming from the media and the tin foil hat wearing sheep are following.

You're trying to claim the man is guilty and insisting that he prove his innocence. Why hate our legal system and set of values Hog? You can find what you wish in other countries run by savages as you call them.

Of course the link makes it sound like a conspiracy. That how they sell books :lmao2:

[foxbaron]

THis is far more serious than a routine civil case in our court system.

We are talking here about a possible overthrow of the United States Government by bypassing or flat out ignoring the Constitutional requirement to be the Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces and the Administrative Head of our Government.

He owes it to the American Citizens to release his records so there is no doubt as to his legitimacy to be our President.

He owes it to the leaders of other nations around the world too so that they know, without a doubt, they are dealing with the legitimate head of our government.

If it turns out he is not legitimate but that is not determined until a year or two into his term than what would that do to any agreements he entered into with any other foreign government? What about any document he signed into law?

[Hog Trash]

Once again you for you hawg. This is the United States of American where the burden of proof is placed upon the accuser not the accused. Go get your islamic fundamentalist self a one way ticket to the closet country that considers a person guilty until he proves his innocence. Your kind are not welcome in a free society.Hog, I am demanding evidence from all those making the false accusations. Why do you hate the American legal system where people are innocent until proven guilty.

If there is some actual evidence or legal precedence then by all means put it out there but so far there is just a bunch of fear mongering coming from the media and the tin foil hat wearing sheep are following.

You're trying to claim the man is guilty and insisting that he prove his innocence. Why hate our legal system and set of values Hog? You can find what you wish in other countries run by savages as you call them.

Of course the link makes it sound like a conspiracy. That how they sell books :lmao2:I suppose that unless the authorities demand to see the locked away records or Obama voluntarily releases them for examination, there is no evidence.

This is what makes people suspicious. I believe you have your suspicions also, except in your case you don't really care if he's legitiment or not.

[Moby]

THis is far more serious than a routine civil case in our court system.

We are talking here about a possible overthrow of the United States Government by bypassing or flat out ignoring the Constitutional requirement to be the Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces and the Administrative Head of our Government.

He owes it to the American Citizens to release his records so there is no doubt as to his legitimacy to be our President.

He owes it to the leaders of other nations around the world too so that they know, without a doubt, they are dealing with the legitimate head of our government.

If it turns out he is not legitimate but that is not determined until a year or two into his term than what would that do to any agreements he entered into with any other foreign government? What about any document he signed into law?
Have you made that claim about everyone else running for office or is this just the double standard?

You really should think about turning off the pundits once in a while.

[Moby]

I suppose that unless the authorities demand to see the locked away records or Obama voluntarily releases them for examination, there is no evidence.

This is what makes people suspicious. I believe you have your suspicions also, except in your case you don't really care if he's legitiment or not.
Your belief is wrong, again. You need to stop living through your intuition and start looking at facts now and then Hog.

He did release a copy of birth certificate. We've all seen it. Some accept it and some don't. That's how it will be no matter what.

The sheep have bought into the idea that a conspiracy was started almost 50 years ago with an unlikely child in Hawaii. Even World Net Daily claims that there was an article that's almost 50 years old announcing his birth in that state.

Wouldn't you think that if a conspiracy was started almost 50 years ago that if they forged an electronic document they'd make it look real?

[Moby]

It's funny how Stefan and Dis came under so much attack for sounding insane about the conspiracy theories of 9/11. Now the shoe is on the other foot and a conspiracy that would have to have started almost 50 years ago is making the pot call the kettle black.

It's really quite funny.

[Hog Trash]

It's funny how Stefan and Dis came under so much attack for sounding insane about the conspiracy theories of 9/11. Now the shoe is on the other foot and a conspiracy that would have to have started almost 50 years ago is making the pot call the kettle black.

It's really quite funny.Nothing conspiratorial here Moby....These are very rational questions concerning unresolved accusations, that could be very easily cleared up.

Concerned parties believe that Obama's refusal to comply with such a simple solution to dismiss these accusations make him look like he really is hiding something.

[foxbaron]

Have you made that claim about everyone else running for office or is this just the double standard?

You really should think about turning off the pundits once in a while.



No I haven't because I haven't seen any reason to make that claim about others running for office. No one else running for office or that has run for office seems to have this problem and I am sure if you were to ask them they could and would prove their eligibility to assume the office of the Presidency.

Is this the best argument you can come up with?

[Moby]

Nothing conspiratorial here Moby....These are very rational questions concerning unresolved accusations, that could be very easily cleared up.


You've seen a copy of his birth certificate as it was posted on the Internet.
You've at least read reports of the news article written in 1961 announcing his birth on US soil.
He was put on the ballot in 50 states in addition to the Nation's Capital.

Think about all the people that would have to be involved and all the work needed to do these things and you don't consider that a conspiracy theory?

I don't like Bill's term for the insanely angry members of the GOP but "Tin Foil Hat Voters" seems appropriate. :lmao2:

Do you think he should mail a copy of his birth certificate to each citizen in the USA or just give a copy to Sean Hannity?

[Moby]

No I haven't because I haven't seen any reason to make that claim about others running for office.
So if the GOP pundits tell you to think something is wrong then obviously they have so much credibility because they were right about the WMDs, the Bush tax cuts creating jobs, the lack of housing bubble, the economic fundamentals still being sound and the Anti Christ that they have so much credibility today. :lmao2:

I'm glad that you openly admit to having such an extreme double standard.

[StevenC]

[QUOTE=SirMoby]Your belief is wrong, again. You need to stop living through your intuition and start looking at facts now and then Hog.

Fact you used a wnd quote in one post: "The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf."

Fact Then your words: "He did release a copy of birth certificate. We've all seen it. Some accept it and some don't. That's how it will be no matter what."

So which is it?
Are we to believe dailykos, fightthesmears, snopes, factcheck, you, or are we to believe the state of Hawaii when they say they have released it to no one?

Fact on Obamas' COLB which you state is real but I say it's not. I choose to beleive the State of Hawaii.

His mothers' race says White, while his fathers says African now is that race or national origin?

My COB doesn't list me American as to my race.

Is that Arab African; Dutch African or should that be Black African? As there are White Africans also you know.

How does African define his race anymore than American define yours?

When you answer these questions please show definitive proof not opinion as you want everyone else to do for you.

[Moby]

So you think it's a conspiracy and a document was released that looks like a Hawaiian birth certificate and no one from the Hawaiian government is claiming it's a fake?

That seems a little far fetched doesn't it?

[StevenC]

So you think it's a conspiracy and a document was released that looks like a Hawaiian birth certificate and no one from the Hawaiian government is claiming it's a fake?

That seems a little far fetched doesn't it?

Answer not with question please.

[foxbaron]

So if the GOP pundits tell you to think something is wrong then obviously they have so much credibility because they were right about the WMDs, the Bush tax cuts creating jobs, the lack of housing bubble, the economic fundamentals still being sound and the Anti Christ that they have so much credibility today. :lmao2:

I'm glad that you openly admit to having such an extreme double standard.


What in the hell makes you think or assume that I can not make a decision for myself on things.

I have nevr had a double standard, what I have is an aversion to people who make statements like you did above.

You will be blaming Bush for everything for the next ten years.

[Hog Trash]

What in the hell makes you think or assume that I can not make a decision for myself on things.

I have nevr had a double standard, what I have is an aversion to people who make statements like you did above.

You will be blaming Bush for everything for the next ten years.Moby has been told that anyone who is not a liberal or does not support Obama is brainwashed by NLP pundits of Rupert Murdoch.

This is Moby's argument for every single issue....Many times my response for Moby is; "Somebody please bump the turn table". :thumbsup: