Fisher Price and Nintindo promoting Islam with toys and games.

[Hog Trash]

Islam is the light?...Isn't that sweet?...What kind considerate people.

Their trying to convert our children so they won't have to kill them. :bowdown:
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[Smurf-Herder]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7xMCe_SGudk/RtZ8ImsqI_I/AAAAAAAAACw/synBYU__PDY/S180/Me-in-white-burqa-standing-closeup.jpg

"But I am your daughter."

[Mr, gone]

WTF is that??? This fucking reporter doesn't even ask Nintendo if this wording is correct? Sounds at the very least to be an incomplete story on this matter.

If it turns out to be correct, then we ALL need to boycott these idiots!!

[Mr. Blue]

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/01/29/publisher-responds-quotislam-lightquot-ds-game-controversy

The response from the video game maker was the following:

In creating the Nintendo DS game “Baby Pals”, the game developer Brain Toys / InXile used sounds files to simulate the life like baby noises and babbling. The sounds are publicly available for license. It is a recording of a 5 month old baby babbling non-intelligible phrases. In over 200 hours of testing the product, no recognizable English words or phrases were discernable.

The sound in question of this babble may sound like the words night, right or light, but it is only coincidence as the baby recorded was too young to pronounce these words let alone a whole grammatically correct phrase.

We at Crave Entertainment and InXile regret that there was any misinterpretation of the baby noises and in no way have intentionally put any words or phrases into the baby sounds.

We hope this eases any concerns and fans continue to enjoy playing the game.

Kind of reminds me of people listening to white noise and hearing something...spend enough time with random sound and you're bound to get incidents like this.

The public license is why that islam is light thing keeps popping up in various places, lol.

[Bill]

Wow, what kind of a mind actually could possibly believe that the big toy corporations are planting islamic propaganda in one woman's two different toys?

Man, that must be a freekin dark place. One can barely imagine paranoia at that level.

radioheads, wtf?

[Moby]

What kind of mind would one day claim to be a free thinker, hate 100s of millions of Americans and then quote Fox News the next? :dunno:

[disrupter]

What?

Competition for all of those nauseating 'Christian Book Stores'?

Well, i never.

WTF society do we have,
free market capitalism or something?

"Whatever people are foolish enough to buy, Virginia."

[Mr, gone]

Hog and Smurfy, two peas in a very surreal pod.:D

[Mr. Blue]

The second I heard that two different toys, from different companies, was using the same sound file, I pretty much guessed it was something like the manufacturer stated.

The whole topic is kind of funny though...now all we need is Jesus burnt into toast and blame the toaster company for spreading Christianity.

[Smurf-Herder]

Hog and Smurfy, two peas in a very surreal pod.:D


What?

I was having fun with it. :D

Didn't you get my send-up of "The Others"?

[Mr, gone]

Okay Smurf, often though it is hard for me to differentiate you being serious - or just jerking around.

[Hog Trash]

Hmmm?....I sorta suspected all the liberals would rush to the defense of the muslims,

seeing as how Islam now falls under the blanket of protection of Political Correctness. :winkwink: So predictable. :lmao2:

Funny how anyone who declares themselves the enemy of America, earns the friendship and support of the liberals. :D

[Smurf-Herder]

Okay Smurf, often though it is hard for me to differentiate you being serious - or just jerking around.


When I'm jerking around, it doesn't always mean I don't think there may be merit to the subject. But it does always mean I don't feel it's worth my time getting into an argument over.

[Hog Trash]

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/01/29/publisher-responds-quotislam-lightquot-ds-game-controversy

The response from the video game maker was the following:
In creating the Nintendo DS game “Baby Pals”, the game developer Brain Toys / InXile used sounds files to simulate the life like baby noises and babbling. The sounds are publicly available for license. It is a recording of a 5 month old baby babbling non-intelligible phrases. In over 200 hours of testing the product, no recognizable English words or phrases were discernable.

The sound in question of this babble may sound like the words night, right or light, but it is only coincidence as the baby recorded was too young to pronounce these words let alone a whole grammatically correct phrase.

We at Crave Entertainment and InXile regret that there was any misinterpretation of the baby noises and in no way have intentionally put any words or phrases into the baby sounds.

We hope this eases any concerns and fans continue to enjoy playing the game.

Kind of reminds me of people listening to white noise and hearing something...spend enough time with random sound and you're bound to get incidents like this.

The public license is why that islam is light thing keeps popping up in various places, lol.I believe it's very possible that someone could put this in the toys intentionaly.

It's not diifucult to splice and arrange baby jibber-jabber to say anything you want.

Just because these Jihadist are savages doesn't mean their to stupid to perform this simple task.

Muslims are in every industry and are capable of anything.

Even blowing themselves up to kill innocent men, women and children.

Was this intentionaly put in these toys and games?.....I don't know.

Is it possible that it was put in intentionaly?......Damn right it is.

[Hog Trash]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7xMCe_SGudk/RtZ8ImsqI_I/AAAAAAAAACw/synBYU__PDY/S180/Me-in-white-burqa-standing-closeup.jpg

"But I am your daughter."Hmmm???.....Is it just my imagination, or does anyone else see a simularity too the Ku Klux Klan???

[Mr. Blue]

I believe it's very possible that someone could put this in the toys intentionaly.

It's not diifucult to splice and arrange baby jibber-jabber to say anything you want.

Just because these Jihadist are savages doesn't mean their to stupid to perform this simple task.

Muslims are in every industry and are capable of anything.

Even blowing themselves up to kill innocent men, women and children.

Was this intentionaly put in these toys and games?.....I don't know.

Is it possible that it was put in intentionaly?......Damn right it is.

Anything is possible, but does it mean that it's probable? .......No.

White noise is very similar, where you have people that swear they heard words, etc, but string enough minutes together you can hear anything you want to hear. Play records background and you can get some really freaky cool stuff out of it. Does it mean that the musician was going, oh yeah, I don't care how this is going to sound going forward, but the subliminal message backwards is more important...probably not.

Now, the license on this basically means dozens of different companies have used this child babble...I seriously doubt they're all invested in spreading Muslim ideals.

Also, if Muslims were so invested in a good public image, I think there would be other areas that they could score better points than a baby talk babbling that phrase.

[Hog Trash]

Anything is possible, but does it mean that it's probable? .......No.

Now, the license on this basically means dozens of different companies have used this child babble...I seriously doubt they're all invested in spreading Muslim ideals.

Also, if Muslims were so invested in a good public image, I think there would be other areas that they could score better points than a baby talk babbling that phrase.The Koran tells muslims they must either convert the world to Islam or kill them....These people are fanatics and dedicated to these beliefs....Never underestimate your enemy...I believe it's very possible that someone could put this in the toys intentionaly.

It's not diifucult to splice and arrange baby jibber-jabber to say anything you want.

Just because these Jihadist are savages doesn't mean their to stupid to perform this simple task.

Muslims are in every industry and are capable of anything.

Even blowing themselves up to kill innocent men, women and children.

Was this intentionaly put in these toys and games?.....I don't know.

Is it possible that it was put in intentionaly?......Damn right it is.Especialy when their willing to strap a bomb to their belly and blow themselves up to kill you and your children.

[And one more thing....Muslims are in no way "invested in a good public image"....To them we are infidels.]

[Mr. Blue]

The Koran tells muslims they must either convert the world to Islam or kill them....These people are fanatics and dedicated to these beliefs....Never underestimate your enemy...Especialy when their willing to strap a bomb to their belly and blow themselves up to kill you and your children.

[And one more thing....Muslims are in no way "invested in a good public image"....To them we are infidels.]

Name a religion that doesn't say spread the faith? It's one of the reasons I'm not a fan of organized religion as it's more about forcing people to believe rather than presenting a reason to believe.

Carefully read through the bible and there's some remarkable amounts of violence and things we wouldn't consider today as "civilized" people as being kosher. Just like there's violence and intolerance in the Koran.

Never underestimate your enemy? I don't necessarily believe someone of a Muslim faith is my enemy. Just as I don't think a Christian, Jew, or any other religion is necessarily out to get me. There will always be segments of every group that wants to pervert teachings and take it to the most extreme level.

That's not to say I'm pleased with the U.S. involvement in the middle east, I think we should move towards energy independence, and not deal with theocracy driven societies.

Let's say you're right though, would it really change people's minds? I doubt it. In fact our policy in the Middle East probably has done more to increase the power of the Muslim religion than any other thing in recent history.

[disrupter]

Religion is like obscenity.

You should only be allowed to do it in the privacy of your own home.

IMO, religion IS an obscenity of intellect.

[Captain Obvious]

First, you have to make a separation. Islamic ideology in general isn't synonymous with terrorism or radical, conservative Islamic beliefs. Had the toys said "Follow Muhammad or die, infidel pig", I might be a little pissed.

Having said that, political and/or religious messages don't belong in toys rated "E" IMO, just like religion and politics don't belong in our public institutions.

[Hog Trash]

Name a religion that doesn't say spread the faith? It's one of the reasons I'm not a fan of organized religion as it's more about forcing people to believe rather than presenting a reason to believe.

Carefully read through the bible and there's some remarkable amounts of violence and things we wouldn't consider today as "civilized" people as being kosher. Just like there's violence and intolerance in the Koran.

Never underestimate your enemy? I don't necessarily believe someone of a Muslim faith is my enemy. Just as I don't think a Christian, Jew, or any other religion is necessarily out to get me. There will always be segments of every group that wants to pervert teachings and take it to the most extreme level.

That's not to say I'm pleased with the U.S. involvement in the middle east, I think we should move towards energy independence, and not deal with theocracy driven societies.

Let's say you're right though, would it really change people's minds? I doubt it. In fact our policy in the Middle East probably has done more to increase the power of the Muslim religion than any other thing in recent history.Christianity does not teach that anyone who can not be converted to their faith should be murdered.

You have to go pretty far back in history to find church sanctioned acts of violence by Christians.

You said, "I don't necessarily believe someone of a Muslim faith is my enemy."......Neither do I!

[Mr. Blue]

Christianity does not teach that anyone who can not be converted to their faith should be murdered.

You have to go pretty far back in history to find church sanctioned acts of violence by Christians.

You said, "I don't necessarily believe someone of a Muslim faith is my enemy."......Neither do I!

Been awhile since you read the bible?

When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.

Now, you can take the bible, just like you can read the Koran, as what it is, a slightly outdated text that doesn't necessarily conform to modern society. I think the only thing going for Christianity at the moment is it's decline and reading the book more in an allegorical sense instead of a literal sense. I think the philosophy of the religion is changing a little more readily to match up with modern society.

[Mr, gone]

Most grandiose religions, after first splintering into many denominations - morph into more philisophical manderings. Of course this is only after the gross and meaningless slaughter of millions of inoccent people.:disbelief:

Jesus loves you yes he does...:lmao2:

[Hog Trash]

Been awhile since you read the bible?





Now, you can take the bible, just like you can read the Koran, as what it is, a slightly outdated text that doesn't necessarily conform to modern society. I think the only thing going for Christianity at the moment is it's decline and reading the book more in an allegorical sense instead of a literal sense. I think the philosophy of the religion is changing a little more readily to match up with modern society.Have you been paying attention to current events?....What have the christians been doing that compares to the murder and savagery of muslims?

Please Mr Blue....Lets not play silly word games just for the sake of political correctness....Besides, I don't practice PC....I deal in reality.

[Mr. Blue]

Have you been paying attention to current events?....What have the christians been doing that compares to the murder and savagery of muslims?

Please Mr Blue....Lets not play silly word games just for the sake of political correctness....Besides, I don't practice PC....I deal in reality.

No Hog, you said, "Christianity does not teach that anyone who can not be converted to their faith should be murdered."

And I just showed you the Bible does in fact have rather violent messages regarding how other people should be treated that's not part of their "god squad". Now, you can either admit you were wrong or you can change the subject which you tried to do with the Political Correctness crap.

You need to be reminded what Christians did recently? Fine, I didn't really want to school you on this topic and unlike others I'm not going to dismiss you by saying you're a sheep...Instead, I'm just going to prove you're wrong.

Bosnia...did you forget about the ethnic cleansing that was perpetrated by Orthodox Christians against Muslims? 200,000 people were killed. Do I need to continue?

Now, you throw political correctness at me, and it's not that at all. It comes to a simple fact that The Bible and the Koran, are both outdated treatises on the human condition. Anyone blindly following the faith to the letter and taking the teachings literally couldn't survive in a "civilized" manner.

Christianity, the flavor most Americans practice, is this watered down secularized version of the faith. The decline of Christianity is what makes it more palatable. The westernizing of the faith is what makes it acceptable. In its pure form, following every word of the bible, you get religious nut jobs that are just as bad as those muslim nutjobs.

Compare the Old Testament to the New Testament, even in this time span, you see the watering down of the teaching to include more people. Christianity became more popular than Judaism because of some very key difference between the old and new testament.

The Muslim faith hasn't watered down yet...they have more theocracy driven societies, and that's probably why the religion seems more extreme. I'm not in anyway letting any religion off the hook, but I am pointing out that most religions have violent undertones if you follow it in the strictest possible manner...as witnessed in Bosnia.

You want to defend your religion and criticize another religion...I am criticizing both because both are worthy to be criticized based on the original documents that spawned the faith.

Nothing politically correct about me...you just got caught not knowing The Bible, the pillar of the faith you say is better than others, lol. Read it through once or twice, I have, not a bad read once you get past all the "begets" :D

[Hog Trash]

No Hog, you said, "Christianity does not teach that anyone who can not be converted to their faith should be murdered."

And I just showed you the Bible does in fact have rather violent messages regarding how other people should be treated that's not part of their "god squad". Now, you can either admit you were wrong or you can change the subject which you tried to do with the Political Correctness crap.

You need to be reminded what Christians did recently? Fine, I didn't really want to school you on this topic and unlike others I'm not going to dismiss you by saying you're a sheep...Instead, I'm just going to prove you're wrong.

Bosnia...did you forget about the ethnic cleansing that was perpetrated by Orthodox Christians against Muslims? 200,000 people were killed. Do I need to continue?

Now, you throw political correctness at me, and it's not that at all. It comes to a simple fact that The Bible and the Koran, are both outdated treatises on the human condition. Anyone blindly following the faith to the letter and taking the teachings literally couldn't survive in a "civilized" manner.

Christianity, the flavor most Americans practice, is this watered down secularized version of the faith. The decline of Christianity is what makes it more palatable. The westernizing of the faith is what makes it acceptable. In its pure form, following every word of the bible, you get religious nut jobs that are just as bad as those muslim nutjobs.

Compare the Old Testament to the New Testament, even in this time span, you see the watering down of the teaching to include more people. Christianity became more popular than Judaism because of some very key difference between the old and new testament.

The Muslim faith hasn't watered down yet...they have more theocracy driven societies, and that's probably why the religion seems more extreme. I'm not in anyway letting any religion off the hook, but I am pointing out that most religions have violent undertones if you follow it in the strictest possible manner...as witnessed in Bosnia.

You want to defend your religion and criticize another religion...I am criticizing both because both are worthy to be criticized based on the original documents that spawned the faith.

Nothing politically correct about me...you just got caught not knowing The Bible, the pillar of the faith you say is better than others, lol. Read it through once or twice, I have, not a bad read once you get past all the "begets" :DWhere did you get the idea that I am a Christian? I have never claimed to be christian. I neither claim nor practice any religion...I do not practice political correctness therefore I openly speak my observations without feeling the PC obligation of denouncing christianity to make the muslims look better.

What I do know is that christianity has evolved over time to become a predominately non-violent religion of love peace and charity. The murder in Bosnia may have been along religious divisions but was not the result of religious matters.

Experts tell us that it is their estimation that 10% of muslims either participate or support Islamic jihadist terrorism. With an international population of 1.1 billion muslims, that gives us more than 100 million muslim radicals in the world. I personally think the numbers are higher.

If muslims do not want the murder and suffering that is caused by these radicals in the name of their Islamic religion, they should openly denounce them and expose these savages to the world to be eradicated. I see very little outrage from the Islamic community, which leads me to believe there may be a gross underestimation of the true number of Islamic supporters the radicals may actually have.

[Mr. Blue]

Where did you get the idea that I am a Christian? I have never claimed to be christian. I neither claim nor practice any religion...I do not practice political correctness therefore I openly speak my observations without feeling the PC obligation of denouncing christianity to make the muslims look better.

What I do know is that christianity has evolved over time to become a predominately non-violent religion of love peace and charity. The murder in Bosnia may have been along religious divisions but was not the result of religious matters.

Experts tell us that it is their estimation that 10% of muslims either participate or support Islamic jihadist terrorism. With an international population of 1.1 billion muslims, that gives us more than 100 million muslim radicals in the world. I personally think the numbers are higher.

If muslims do not want the murder and suffering that is caused by these radicals in the name of their Islamic religion, they should openly denounce them and expose these savages to the world to be eradicated. I see very little outrage from the Islamic community, which leads me to believe there may be a gross underestimation of the true number of Islamic supporters the radicals may actually have.

Ah, so you're not Christian? See, now if you didn't follow religion, you'd pretty much be in the same position as I am on the topic. Religion on the whole creates unnatural divides. You want to just focus on Muslims, but I extend it to Christians with the caveat that the more secular we become in the west the less of a stranglehold religion has on us.

Now, how many times on this forum have you heard me say we should become energy independent and have nothing to with the Middle East? Probably a few dozen times by now and it's not because I have a Sand phobia. I just don't want to deal with any country that opens up a really old book and uses that for guidance.

[Hog Trash]

Ah, so you're not Christian? See, now if you didn't follow religion, you'd pretty much be in the same position as I am on the topic. Religion on the whole creates unnatural divides. You want to just focus on Muslims, but I extend it to Christians with the caveat that the more secular we become in the west the less of a stranglehold religion has on us.

Now, how many times on this forum have you heard me say we should become energy independent and have nothing to with the Middle East? Probably a few dozen times by now and it's not because I have a Sand phobia. I just don't want to deal with any country that opens up a really old book and uses that for guidance.Because of Islamic jihad terrorism, Muslims are the current problem. Not all, but I can't tell a good one from a bad one.

Christians as far as I know cause no problems nor present any danger to me, my family, my neigbors or my nation.

If they did, I would not hesitate to say something.....But the fact is, they are for the most part, a peaceful people.

[BlackAsCoal]

My question would be, so what if they are promoting Islam in their toys. It's a global market .. and what paranoid fool would be afraid of a toy?

[Mr. Blue]

Because of Islamic jihad terrorism, Muslims are the current problem. Not all, but I can't tell a good one from a bad one.

Christians as far as I know cause no problems nor present any danger to me, my family, my neigbors or my nation.

If they did, I would not hesitate to say something.....But the fact is, they are for the most part, a peaceful people.

Perhaps we're dealing with semantics here, but Christians near you don't bother you because they're no longer diehard Christians. They're more secular, they're more modern, they've allowed themselves to read the bible and compensate for modern civilization.

For example, those ultra Christians loons that were protesting at soldiers funerals. See that's what happens when Christianity becomes unhinged. In the area that I live, we happen to have a sect of extreme Christians. They'll stand every Sunday on the corner and harass people that walk by, yelling at them, screaming they're going to hell, and a few occasions they even got up in my face and I had to do my best not to just clock one of them.

So, perhaps we'll just have to disagree on the semantics of it, because if people read and followed the bible to the letter, we'd probably be doing a crusade or something of that nature. It's the decline that makes the religion peaceful.

The Muslim faith hasn't really hit that decline yet, but there's hope. The upcoming Iranian elections, if Muhammad Khatami wins, you suddenly see a more moderate face leading Iran. How dramatically that can change the region if people moved towards moderate views, allowed the religion to enter a decline, and accept a more Westernized view.

[BlackAsCoal]

Perhaps we're dealing with semantics here, but Christians near you don't bother you because they're no longer diehard Christians. They're more secular, they're more modern, they've allowed themselves to read the bible and compensate for modern civilization.

For example, those ultra Christians loons that were protesting at soldiers funerals. See that's what happens when Christianity becomes unhinged. In the area that I live, we happen to have a sect of extreme Christians. They'll stand every Sunday on the corner and harass people that walk by, yelling at them, screaming they're going to hell, and a few occasions they even got up in my face and I had to do my best not to just clock one of them.

So, perhaps we'll just have to disagree on the semantics of it, because if people read and followed the bible to the letter, we'd probably be doing a crusade or something of that nature. It's the decline that makes the religion peaceful.

The Muslim faith hasn't really hit that decline yet, but there's hope. The upcoming Iranian elections, if Muhammad Khatami wins, you suddenly see a more moderate face leading Iran. How dramatically that can change the region if people moved towards moderate views, allowed the religion to enter a decline, and accept a more Westernized view.

Given the recent Israeli elections which took Israel even further to the right, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Khatami to win.

Much of the problem is not directly related to religion, but rather power and dominance of the region.

[Mr. Blue]

Given the recent Israeli elections which took Israel even further to the right, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Khatami to win.

Much of the problem is not directly related to religion, but rather power and dominance of the region.

Religion often gets blending in the mixture. There's so much blurring of faith, power, and dominance. The "leaders" almost always know how to manipulate all aspects of the situation and unfortunately religion is still used in that regard. Granted, if religion were completely removed from human existence they'd find something else to gather people around.

[BlackAsCoal]

Religion often gets blending in the mixture. There's so much blurring of faith, power, and dominance. The "leaders" almost always know how to manipulate all aspects of the situation and unfortunately religion is still used in that regard. Granted, if religion were completely removed from human existence they'd find something else to gather people around.

I could not agree with you more on this.

[Hog Trash]

My question would be, so what if they are promoting Islam in their toys. It's a global market .. and what paranoid fool would be afraid of a toy?You must understand something BAC. Much of what I post is for the sole purpose of exposing the hypocricy of the liberals.

Christian messages in toys would set them off on a anti-religion crusade. But being muslims, they defend them.

I detest liberals and their hypocricy....Without a doubt, they are the stupidest, educated people on the planet.

[Hog Trash]

Perhaps we're dealing with semantics here, but Christians near you don't bother you because they're no longer diehard Christians. They're more secular, they're more modern, they've allowed themselves to read the bible and compensate for modern civilization.

For example, those ultra Christians loons that were protesting at soldiers funerals. See that's what happens when Christianity becomes unhinged. In the area that I live, we happen to have a sect of extreme Christians. They'll stand every Sunday on the corner and harass people that walk by, yelling at them, screaming they're going to hell, and a few occasions they even got up in my face and I had to do my best not to just clock one of them.

So, perhaps we'll just have to disagree on the semantics of it, because if people read and followed the bible to the letter, we'd probably be doing a crusade or something of that nature. It's the decline that makes the religion peaceful.

The Muslim faith hasn't really hit that decline yet, but there's hope. The upcoming Iranian elections, if Muhammad Khatami wins, you suddenly see a more moderate face leading Iran. How dramatically that can change the region if people moved towards moderate views, allowed the religion to enter a decline, and accept a more Westernized view.These "fringe" christian groups are an extreme minority and are mainly annoying, but rarely violent, unlike their muslim counterparts. I attribute modern christian morals to civilization, rather than any "decline".

[Mr. Blue]

These "fringe" christian groups are an extreme minority and are mainly annoying, but rarely violent, unlike their muslim counterparts. I attribute modern christian morals to civilization, rather than any "decline".

The fringe used to be the mainstream. The Spanish Inquisition is a good example of it, or that the Pope used to have a standing army, lol, the witch trials in Mass. is another one, etc, etc. Now we can argue on whether it's a decline or modernized, it's not worth the breath to narrow it down exactly and pinpoint it, but the bible itself is just as screwy as the koran.

So whatever the reason is, whether it's decline or modernizing the faith, I'm glad that Christianity is moving towards that in the westernized world.

[Hog Trash]

The fringe used to be the mainstream. The Spanish Inquisition is a good example of it, or that the Pope used to have a standing army, lol, the witch trials in Mass. is another one, etc, etc. Now we can argue on whether it's a decline or modernized, it's not worth the breath to narrow it down exactly and pinpoint it, but the bible itself is just as screwy as the koran.

So whatever the reason is, whether it's decline or modernizing the faith, I'm glad that Christianity is moving towards that in the westernized world.We have become more civilized in just about every aspect of our lives. Religion, education, crime punishment, child rearing, war, and even the way we treat animals. The human race is getting better. Religion may of even helped in some ways. I believe the teachings of Jesus, weather he's the son of god or not, was a major turning point in civilization. I can find very little fault in his teachings.

[Moby]

I wonder if we actually pay attention to the teachings of Jesus. At a very early age I realized that no politician in DC could follow the teachings of Jesus and be successful yet for some reason we believe that our politicians have faith.

I don't believe any of them follow the teachings of Jesus. Not even Huckabee.

However, I do think many of the teachings of Jesus are wonderful and we should consider them far more then we do but every one interrupts them differently.

I don't believe that calling someone a "Pin Head" is part of Jesus's teachings and such a person that would treat others that way and claiming to be Born Again, well, is selling snake oil.