Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws

[SeedyROM]

Practice what you preach.........oh the hypocrisy and ignorace of politicians whom we should bt trust do to conflicts of interest, direct ties to lobbiests even the liberals pretend otherwise and Daschles wife is a lobbiest. We cannot trust this tax cheat with our healthcare. He's already proven he's is a liar and a conflict of interest.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDdjZjFkYmIwZjRhNmM2MjIzYzAzYTNmNWRmMjg0MmI


http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/call-your-senators-and-tell-them-to-vote-no-on-tax-cheat-tom-daschles-confirmation/
“Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. ” Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.

If Daschle’s right, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter, then shouldn’t Senators vote against confirming an admitted tax cheat as our new Health and Human Services Secretary?

Call your Senators and tell them to vote NO! on Tom Daschle’s confirmation.

Here’s the Capitol switchboard (ask the operator to connect you to your Senators): 202 - 224 - 3121.

While you’re at it, tell your Senators to make Daschle give Sally Jesse Raphael her signature red glasses back too. Poor Sally, fumbling around somewhere, nearly slightless, looking for her scarlet specs (which Daschle appears to have “borrowed”, by “accident”), yet Sally’s still magicaly able to pay her damn taxes.

Imagine that.

Why can’t Sally Jesse Raphael be Health and Human Services Secretary? If Sanjay Gupta’s going to be Surgeon General, how is that even remotely ridiculous, relatively speaking?

[Dale escondido]

Believe me they do if you work for a living.
My son dropped a class his final year of college and didnt think he had to tell me. Which put him short of full time student.
The irs waited for 7 years to inform me of my mistake and now had 6000 in fines and interest.
If I had gone into politics they would have never mentioned it unless I was getting a cabinet posistion.:lmao2:

[foxbaron]

Believe me they do if you work for a living.
My son dropped a class his final year of college and didnt think he had to tell me. Which put him short of full time student.
The irs waited for 7 years to inform me of my mistake and now had 6000 in fines and interest.
If I had gone into politics they would have never mentioned it unless I was getting a cabinet posistion.:lmao2:



Doesn't it make you feel all warm and fuzzy that you are being held accountable for something you didn't even know about while he was just sloppy and they forgive his fines and penalties.

Sure would be nice to see one of these guys criminally prosecuted for a change, just like they would do to you given the chance.

[SeedyROM]

Believe me they do if you work for a living.
My son dropped a class his final year of college and didnt think he had to tell me. Which put him short of full time student.
The irs waited for 7 years to inform me of my mistake and now had 6000 in fines and interest.
If I had gone into politics they would have never mentioned it unless I was getting a cabinet posistion.:lmao2:
Lol, the truth is optional in politics. :lmao2:

[Moby]

He's already prove he is a liar
Just curious, do you think anyone in Washington politics isn't a liar?

[SeedyROM]

Just curious, do you think anyone in Washington politics isn't a liar?

Yes, all children under the age of 15. I do beleive , McCain, Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee are sincere and somewhat honest but they are far from perfect. This story is proof the vetting process isn't what it used to be.

[Cat slave]

I resent the sight of McAmnesty on the screen acting like a point man for
anything north of the border. He doesnt know shit and should just go away,
mad or whatever...just go away.

The train has left the station Johnny Boy and youre history. The new blood
has arrived and youre a has been...has been what, I dont know...POW?
About like Kerry and everything he had an answer for was "I was in V.N."!
Pathetic. Both of them.

The only good thing we can credit him with is Palin. As smart as she is she
would have hit the scene without McAmnestys help anyway.

[disrupter]

61 percent of all U.S. companies paid

ZERO

federal taxes

. . .

At least

half the hedge funds,
which cater to the mega-rich,

are offshore, many in the

Cayman Islands.http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/?article=246

Tax cheating seems to be the way of life,

at least for American corporations.

Then when they have bankrupted themselves they expect the taxpaying public to bail them out at the point of gun from the US congress & Whitehouse under George Bush & Hankie Paulson.

[SeedyROM]

http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/?article=246

Tax cheating seems to be the way of life,

at least for American corporations.

Then when they have bankrupted themselves they expect the taxpaying public to bail them out at the point of gun from the US congress & Whitehouse under George Bush & Hankie Paulson.

Don't forget all those Democrat tax cheating crooks and thier appeasing mass of stupid followers who voted for virtually zero taxes too.

[Cat slave]

I truly understand the gravity of the problem we are in, but I cant help but
laugh at the messiah and his gaggle of minions. It gets funnier and funnier
by the day. You have to wonder, what are all those dems thinking now?

And Biden! Hes funnier than anything on SNL....chronic foot in mouth syndrome.

Im starting to really get a kick out of "them". They make me think of rodents
who wander onto a big glue board then flop around trying to get unstuck.

[Dale escondido]

Just curious, do you think anyone in Washington politics isn't a liar?

If they tell the truth they would vaporize instantly.
Now thats change I could get behind.
Maybe we should only elect people with down syndrome. I was never lied to by one of these generally sweet people.

[Cat slave]

Good point!

Im up for another secession from the states...outsource congress....deport
wayward politicians to Cuba and let them take the places of those terrists....
use it for home grown terrists starting with Fwank, Dodd, Reid, Pelosi and
tah dah, the messiah.

I vacillate between outright rage and spells of laughing. What a bunch of
lying, cheating, criminal buffoons but its funny watching them screw up
on a daily basis and its amusing to see them dangle like a mouse being
held out in mid air by its tail.

Oh, for the days of having a president whose soul interest and heart were
with America and put our interests first above anything or anyone. Kennedy &
Reagan really are all that I can remember.

The safety valve on this citizenry is about to blow. There is too much pressure and everyone I talk to is fed totally up and ready to blow.

[Hog Trash]

Wasn't it someone at Fox News Network who said the reason Democrats don't mind enacting and raising taxes is because they never pay them? :lmao2: :thumbsup:

[Hog Trash]

Just curious, do you think anyone in Washington politics isn't a liar?Typical liberal defense! :thumbsup:

[Dale escondido]

Good point!

Im up for another secession from the states...outsource congress....deport
wayward politicians to Cuba and let them take the places of those terrists....
use it for home grown terrists starting with Fwank, Dodd, Reid, Pelosi and
tah dah, the messiah.

I vacillate between outright rage and spells of laughing. What a bunch of
lying, cheating, criminal buffoons but its funny watching them screw up
on a daily basis and its amusing to see them dangle like a mouse being
held out in mid air by its tail.

Oh, for the days of having a president whose soul interest and heart were
with America and put our interests first above anything or anyone. Kennedy &
Reagan really are all that I can remember.

The safety valve on this citizenry is about to blow. There is too much pressure and everyone I talk to is fed totally up and ready to blow.

I actually went looking for a liberal message board to try to understand the liberal thinkers among us.
I tried talk radio for a while but they dont give libs a chance and begin personal attacks if they get in trouble with someone more informed.
Long way too my point , but I wondered what amount of pain would need be for conservatives to have had enough.
I agree with secession but it wouldnt be allowed without a major fight.
It is hard to find compormise with those who believe in sharing the wealth ,as long as its not their wealth.

[ROdger Right]

Major fights or as what that would be, Soldiers slaughtering Americans.
If the right people fall itll make the transition easier. Hard to find those though. Even though we all know who a few are.
Im fairly certain most government officials are pointless.

I guess if you wanted to write down this in history it would be the poor fighting the rich.

[Dale escondido]

Major fights or as what that would be, Soldiers slaughtering Americans.
If the right people fall itll make the transition easier. Hard to find those though. Even though we all know who a few are.
Im fairly certain most government officials are pointless.

I guess if you wanted to write down this in history it would be the poor fighting the rich.

That the one upside to dictatorships, only a few head need to come off:lmao2:

[Moby]

Typical liberal defense! :thumbsup:
Asking some one's actual thoughts is liberal defense?

No Hog, asking some one's opinions and listening to them is free thought. Remember when you had that freedom that you gladly and willingly gave up and didn't even know it?

[Cat slave]

I actually went looking for a liberal message board to try to understand the liberal thinkers among us.
I tried talk radio for a while but they dont give libs a chance and begin personal attacks if they get in trouble with someone more informed.
Long way too my point , but I wondered what amount of pain would need be for conservatives to have had enough.
I agree with secession but it wouldnt be allowed without a major fight.
It is hard to find compormise with those who believe in sharing the wealth ,as long as its not their wealth.


The cooker is running on high and I dont think anything is off the table anymore.

Ive had enough...more than enough! Somethings going to have to give.

[Hog Trash]

Asking some one's actual thoughts is liberal defense?

No Hog, asking some one's opinions and listening to them is free thought. Remember when you had that freedom that you gladly and willingly gave up and didn't even know it?No, asking a question is fine, except liberals always ask these questions as a defense mechanism when corruption is discovered in their ranks.Just curious, do you think anyone in Washington politics isn't a liar?You don't think people notice?......You so silly Moby! :winkwink:

[SeedyROM]

Wasn't it someone at Fox News Network who said the reason Democrats don't mind enacting and raising taxes is because they never pay them? :lmao2: :thumbsup:

Gullible suckers never have a problem with tax cheats because they are afraid to speak freely for fear they'll be labeled patriots. :D

[disrupter]

Does that mean corporations are run by Democrats?

Because corporations never pay taxes any more.

[disrupter]

Speaking of FOX network,
owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporations:
Rupert Murdoch

In four years prior to March 1999 Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation paid just $250 million in corporation tax worldwide – a mere six per cent of its profits. At the time, corporation tax in its three main areas of operation - Australia, Britain and the US - was over 30 per cent. During the previous 11 years Newscorp Investments,

Murdoch’s holding company in Britain, had paid

no corporation tax at all,

despite accumulated profits of $2.8 billion.

His
‘financial engineering’ constructed a
worldwide maze of about
60 News Corporation subsidiaries in

tax havens such as the

Cayman Islands,

Bermuda and the

British Virgin Islands.

At the same time, Murdoch was encouraging parents in Britain to compensate for the lack of funds for public education by collecting tokens in his newspapers to buy school textbooks.http://www.newint.org/features/special/2008/11/20/most-artful-tax-dodger-nominees/

Yeah it is pretty rich to have FOX spokesmodels talking about

Tax Cheating.

But i am sure all the right wing fools will continue to eat their tax cheat dog turds.

Just how dumb are you guys?

Oh, right, dumber than that.

[disrupter]

So Rupert Murdoch who owns FOX broadcasting is a Democrat?
Mr. Murdoch’s to defer taxes to future years, the

News Corporation paid

no federal taxes

in two of the last four years, and in the other two it paid only a fraction of what it otherwise would have owed.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/25/business/media/25murdoch.html?pagewanted=print

Is there anyone as stupid as the Republican base?

[SeedyROM]

Does that mean corporations are run by Democrats?

Because corporations never pay taxes any more.

LOL, my guess is half the corporations are run by dems.

You could be on to something Dis.

Ever looked at Bill Gates (democrat) taxes or Bill Clinton?

[disrupter]

No, feel free to clue me in with the facts & figures.

but isn't it ironic that FOX mouthpieces are talking about dodging taxes?
that is almost laughable.

[SeedyROM]

No, feel free to clue me in with the facts & figures.

but isn't it ironic that FOX mouthpieces are talking about dodging taxes?
that is almost laughable.

I'm sure there are statistics that show party affiliation in corporations. Fact is neither party is that different when it comes to taxes and tax cheats. Why are dems considering the repatriaton of investment money in overseas banks? Big Pharma and Tech firms want low taxes if they return the money to US banks. Dems may support this.

It is ironic that Fox is talking bout tax dodges since both parties have created bills that allow corporate shills to pay less taxes than the poor.

[disrupter]

It used to be, throughout American history, that corporations paid more in income taxes than individuals.

But now we have the bipartisan corporate welfare state.

bipartisan means Dems & Repugs get what they & their corporate masters want,

and the American people get the shaft.

But it is ever worse under the Republicans.

[SeedyROM]

What we need is a minimal tax floor that all corporations must pay regardless of costs, deductions, allowances, credits and deductions. No company should get away with paying close to zero. Even the wealthy should have a tax floor. Ross Perot paid 7% in taxes when he ran for president and some thought he was brilliant, perhaps he was for his own devices. Today he would be labeled a pig.

[Dale escondido]

What we need is a minimal tax floor that all corporations must pay regardless of costs, deductions, allowances, credits and deductions. No company should get away with paying close to zero. Even the wealthy should have a tax floor. Ross Perot paid 7% in taxes when he ran for president and some thought he was brilliant, perhaps he was for his own devices. Today he would be labeled a pig.

Many business that operate globally do take advantage and play buy and sell games to self to avoid US coroporate taxes as they are about the highest in the world.
But your suggestion would kill off start ups that lose money for years before showing profit.
Or those who start losing money and try to adjust to changes in their industry would die off also.
We need jobs, not the opposite.
If we aggressively enforced fraud by business whenever we found it ,things would change.

[Moby]

What we need is a minimal tax floor that all corporations must pay regardless of costs, deductions, allowances, credits and deductions. No company should get away with paying close to zero. Even the wealthy should have a tax floor. Ross Perot paid 7% in taxes when he ran for president and some thought he was brilliant, perhaps he was for his own devices. Today he would be labeled a pig.
Why not move to France?

[Moby]

Gullible suckers never have a problem with tax cheats because they are afraid to speak freely for fear they'll be labeled patriots. :D
You do realize that you've been complaining about a billionaire being involved in politics and now you and Hog (a free thinker) are mindlessly following a billionaire that's spent gobs of money on his political message that you keep buying?

[disrupter]

SeedyROM it doesn't matter what tax rate you try to apply to corporations,

because they use offshoring accounting gimmicks to make it look like they 'make' the profit in the cayman islands where there are no taxes to pay. They use shell subsidiary companies.

AND when the international community tried to address this gross tax dodge,

The BUSH administration ignored it & instead continued to enable corporate tax cheats.

There is more 'business' [accounting monkey business] within corporations & their shell 'companies' than between corporations.

[Moby]

SeedyROM it doesn't matter what tax rate you try to apply to corporations,

because they use offshoring accounting gimmicks to make it look like they 'make' the profit in the cayman islands where there are no taxes to pay. They use shell subsidiary companies.

AND when the international community tried to address this gross tax dodge,

The BUSH administration ignored it & instead continued to enable corporate tax cheats.

There is more 'business' [accounting monkey business] within corporations & their shell 'companies' than between corporations.
But it's OK if the VP is connected to a company ripping off tax payers for $100,000,000. That's fine. If a democrat does it though watch out! It's that double standard of the sheep.

[disrupter]

Nobody said the Republican base were the brightest bulbs in the pack.
<shrug>

It is frightening exactly what we have to work with in the human gene pool.
Makes our continued survival a very dicey prospect.

[SeedyROM]

You do realize that you've been complaining about a billionaire being involved in politics and now you and Hog (a free thinker) are mindlessly following a billionaire that's spent gobs of money on his political message that you keep buying?

I don't know what you're talking about.

[SeedyROM]

SeedyROM it doesn't matter what tax rate you try to apply to corporations,

because they use offshoring accounting gimmicks to make it look like they 'make' the profit in the cayman islands where there are no taxes to pay. They use shell subsidiary companies.

AND when the international community tried to address this gross tax dodge,

The BUSH administration ignored it & instead continued to enable corporate tax cheats.

There is more 'business' [accounting monkey business] within corporations & their shell 'companies' than between corporations.

Both parties do it, if you and sirmoby were honest you both would admit it instead of being partisans shills for the rich. You two couldn't convince me otherwise unless you confessed. You also have a bad memory as does SM. Or is it more lies to yourself?

[Moby]

I don't know what you're talking about.
Can't you say that about most issues posted on this board Seedy?

[Hog Trash]

You do realize that you've been complaining about a billionaire being involved in politics and now you and Hog (a free thinker) are mindlessly following a billionaire that's spent gobs of money on his political message that you keep buying?I wish this fellow who brain-washed me had been more successful and influenced a few more voters to my way of thinking.

If he would of been a little better at brainwashing, we wouldn't have Barack Hussein Obama for our President.

[SeedyROM]

But it's OK if the VP is connected to a company ripping off tax payers for $100,000,000. That's fine. If a democrat does it though watch out! It's that double standard of the sheep.

No its not okay HAL and KBR operated pathetically. Clinton gladhanded those motherfuckers too and they got out of control back then and grew more corrupt with Bush/Cheney. Maybe a review will change the bid process someday. My cousin married a guy who is in Afganistan right now working for ATL based Inglitt & Stubbs. He is earning $240k from his company plus the $1000 a week that the Fed kicks in for hazard pay. Its outrageous! Those people are confined to Bagram air base, but a real shithole is beyond the gates. But heymore power to him, he's a Purchaser for FOB's run by the military and he's earning what the company pays. Crazy system!!

[disrupter]

I think we can all agree,

the corporate welfare free-ride must stop.

Even you Israeli terrorist appeasers.

I AM extreme in my humanity, & will NEVER back down from that.

As for Hamas,
I suspect, given time that many of them can be won over to the idea of a two-state solution,
once you give them a chance, so they can see how they can prosper & flourish under those conditions.

but if you treat them like shit & never give them any fair opportunities then there is only one logical path for them, namely the destruction of Israel.

Israel has to quit going out of its way to make life for Palestinians pure, unadulterated hell.

It also must quit stealing the very Palestinian land that is supposed to be part of the two-state solution.

There will always be psycho radicals in any population,
it is the vastly larger body of people who are open to rationality as long as you demonstrate the accessible logic of it.

The trouble with Israel & the US under Bush is that the psychos are the ones running the countries.

[SeedyROM]

Hamas continues to attack Israel today, Hamas is a terrorist organisation, nothing more. Death to Hamas! Hamas will no give peace a chance, they are rabid killers who must be thrown out of Gaza or taken out in body bags.

[Bill]

Since the corporations and the rich families control the politicians thru campaign donations, the one thing you can be sure of is that the corporations and rich will always have loopholes, and thus cheat the regular taxpayer.

[Hog Trash]

Since the corporations and the rich families control the politicians thru campaign donations, the one thing you can be sure of is that the corporations and rich will always have loopholes, and thus cheat the regular taxpayer.The wealthy rely on loopholes to cheat on taxes and Democratic Politicians just say "fuck it" and don't pay their taxes, knowing if they get caught it won't cost them their job or even a promotion and certainly no jail time will be involved. The wealthy should be angry that they have to pay those high priced Tax Lawyers and Accountants to avoid paying taxes.....Hmmm???...I wonder what would happen if we all practiced the Democrat Tax Plan Strategy? :thumbsup:

[SeedyROM]

SeedyROM it doesn't matter what tax rate you try to apply to corporations,

because they use offshoring accounting gimmicks to make it look like they 'make' the profit in the cayman islands where there are no taxes to pay. They use shell subsidiary companies.

AND when the international community tried to address this gross tax dodge,

The BUSH administration ignored it & instead continued to enable corporate tax cheats.

There is more 'business' [accounting monkey business] within corporations & their shell 'companies' than between corporations.

That's true. Funny you should mention it because Dems talked to Big Pharma and Tech companies who want to repatriate off shore investment dollars with a low or no tax when the money returns. More proof both parties love those corporate shills. I say US companies with offshore HQ's should be banned from Fed contracts........that kills 2 big pains in the ass and slows down Cheney's big retirement plans overnight. HAL and KBR provide no benefit to government.

[SeedyROM]

Many business that operate globally do take advantage and play buy and sell games to self to avoid US coroporate taxes as they are about the highest in the world.
But your suggestion would kill off start ups that lose money for years before showing profit.
Or those who start losing money and try to adjust to changes in their industry would die off also.
We need jobs, not the opposite.
If we aggressively enforced fraud by business whenever we found it ,things would change.

We could setup special rules for startups and delay the normal a tax floor for startups. The tax floor should be the same as the lowest rate paid by the public which is equal to what startups would pay once profitable. If we changed to a flat tax I think a 12% floor would suffice. Companies need to
contribute more to the government rather than forcing the burden on the public. Some big companies pay less than 10% because politicians on both sides refuse to standup to them.

[Hog Trash]

That's true. Funny you should mention it because Dems talked to Big Pharma and Tech companies who want to repatriate off shore investment dollars with a low or no tax when the money returns. More proof both parties love those corporate shills. I say US companies with offshore HQ's should be banned from Fed contracts........that kills 2 big pains in the ass and slows down Cheney's big retirement plans overnight. HAL and KBR provide no benefit to government.Liberals would notice this, if their mother did it......But they are blind when their "Party of Choice" is involved.

[Dale escondido]

We could setup special rules for startups and delay the normal a tax floor for startups. The tax floor should be the same as the lowest rate paid by the public which is equal to what startups would pay once profitable. If we changed to a flat tax I think a 12% floor would suffice. Companies need to
contribute more to the government rather than forcing the burden on the public. Some big companies pay less than 10% because politicians on both sides refuse to standup to them.

Many nations have incentives to draw business out of our borders.
Once in the global arena they play shell games. That why I believe in higher corporate taxes for them.
We really have nothing to offer manufacturing to come here tax wise.
If logistics didnt factor in all jobs in this sector would leave.

[SeedyROM]

Liberals would notice this, if their mother did it......But they are blind when their "Party of Choice" is involved.
Yes they are. Asroc was a contractor in Iraq or so he said. Dems handed out outrageous contracts to Halliburton and KBR too, but that was okay. Hopefully Obama will avoid such mistakes, time will tell.

[SeedyROM]

Many nations have incentives to draw business out of our borders.
Once in the global arena they play shell games. That why I believe in higher corporate taxes for them.
We really have nothing to offer manufacturing to come here tax wise.
If logistics didnt factor in all jobs in this sector would leave.

You are correct indeed. We have many politicians who have made thier careers giving away jobs to other countries. Manufacturing is hard to compete with all the cheap labor out there.

[Rtazmann]

Nowhere in our Constitution does it say we have to pay taxes. If I"m not mistaken it was the brainchild of our government(Both Rep&Dems)as a temporary thing to help fund WW2. It was suppose to be temporary. Now our government wants us to think taxes are law. Why do you think so many in our government doesn't pay taxes? They know it's not law.

[SeedyROM]

SeedyROM it doesn't matter what tax rate you try to apply to corporations,

because they use offshoring accounting gimmicks to make it look like they 'make' the profit in the cayman islands where there are no taxes to pay. They use shell subsidiary companies.

AND when the international community tried to address this gross tax dodge,

The BUSH administration ignored it & instead continued to enable corporate tax cheats.

There is more 'business' [accounting monkey business] within corporations & their shell 'companies' than between corporations.

This applies to Clinton as well as Bush, in fact both parties ahve encourage offshoring by refusing to pass laws to curtail the practice. Offshoring has been going on for decades.