Bought my first gun today

[Independent Harry]

So I bought my first gun today. I have been getting a little uncomfortable with the economic conditions and well I have always thought citizens should own guns to protect their homes.

Bought a .40 caliber Smith and Wesson M&P. It's real thin, sits nicely in my hand. The only thing I didn't really like about it, was the safety is on the trigger. I always preferred a lock safety somewhere on the barrel. But I wasn't about to spend $1200 for a gun.

Filling out the paperwork wasnt' too bad, took me about 10 min. I've been shooting with friends before, so I know how to handle a gun and how to use it safely, but what killed me was the safety course they gave. It was a 10 minute instructional video, that I half paid attention to while I filled out paperwork. Here in Maryland you don't need a license. So walked it, bought my gun, filled out the paperwork, now I just wait my 8 days and its off to the range...

[Dale escondido]

Good for you.

I believe revolvers are much safer for home defense as autos are ready to fire after discharge and with your adrenalin so high you can forget the weapon is ready for discharge again.
Just my opinion based on dealing with a break in 30 years ago.

[SeedyROM]

Nice choice!! I like the S&W trigger safety over the Glock style. Which gun finish did you buy? The interchangeable hand grip assembly make the M&P a nice gun for customizing for target practice. Many police departments use this gun so its duty tested for reliability and easy take down for cleaning.

There is an optional internal lock available for this gun, I'm not sure how it works but the left side has a pin hole punchout location near where the webbing in between the thumb and first finger meets the grip. The push in style trigger child safety locks work equally well.

The economy does bring out the loones and thieves as well this is a good buying time for anything of value. I'm hunting craiglist.com for collectable guns and specialty weapons.

[hdmarketing]

WOO HOO!

Hot Damn, I am proud of you!!!

Nice firearm too.

Although I own several semi auto's I do also perfer the revolvers too, they are much more dependable.

Go play some and get used to the feel.

Congrats!

:woohoo: :banana:

[Independent Harry]

Nice choice!! I like the S&W trigger safety over the Glock style. Which gun finish did you buy? The interchangeable hand grip assembly make the M&P a nice gun for customizing for target practice. Many police departments use this gun so its duty tested for reliability and easy take down for cleaning.

There is an optional internal lock available for this gun, I'm not sure how it works but the left side has a pin hole punchout location near where the webbing in between the thumb and first finger meets the grip. The push in style trigger child safety locks work equally well.

The economy does bring out the loones and thieves as well this is a good buying time for anything of value. I'm hunting craiglist.com for collectable guns and specialty weapons.

Yeah it was a toss up between that one and the Glock. I liked the way the S&W felt in my hand more than the Glock. Plus it came with night sites, and the Glock didn't have them on it. No children here, or even nieces and nephews that are around that I have to worry about. So I'm not real concered with getting a different lock than the cable lock it comes with.

I hate waiting the 8 days to pick it up though. I would have gone to the range today otherwise. I got the all black finish on the gun. I'm happy with the gun, the price went up pretty steeply after the SandW.

[Independent Harry]

WOO HOO!

Hot Damn, I am proud of you!!!

Nice firearm too.

Although I own several semi auto's I do also perfer the revolvers too, they are much more dependable.

Go play some and get used to the feel.

Congrats!

:woohoo: :banana:

Thanks man, appreciate that.

It is a semi auto, I think Dale got confused with which one I bought. I like this one because its going to pack more of a punch than a 9, but the .45 kicks too much for me to be any good with it right away. This one is really for target practice and home protecion, so I'm going to keep the clips loaded with .40 cal hollow points 180 grain. I live in attached town homes. I would hate to miss and have a bullet go through the wall and kill one of my neighbors. The next gun I get will probably be a shotgun. My buddy has a real nice tactical shotgun that SWAT uses. Probably something like that to scare the hell out of anyone.

Anyone know of a good website that shows how to maintain and clean guns. Since this is my first I'd like to be able to study up on how to keep it from blowing up in my face a few years down the road lol...

[Mr. Blue]

Congrats. I have to admit that I've been thinking about buying my first gun, but I've never shot one before or really ever felt the need to own one. I'm a pretty big guy, generally people don't mess with me, and I collect knives which oddly scares people more than gun ownership, lol.

Since the topic is open here though, which type of gun would you all recommend for home defense? Would it be practical to use something like a short barrel shotgun instead of a handgun?

[foxbaron]

So I bought my first gun today. I have been getting a little uncomfortable with the economic conditions and well I have always thought citizens should own guns to protect their homes.

Bought a .40 caliber Smith and Wesson M&P. It's real thin, sits nicely in my hand. The only thing I didn't really like about it, was the safety is on the trigger. I always preferred a lock safety somewhere on the barrel. But I wasn't about to spend $1200 for a gun.

Filling out the paperwork wasnt' too bad, took me about 10 min. I've been shooting with friends before, so I know how to handle a gun and how to use it safely, but what killed me was the safety course they gave. It was a 10 minute instructional video, that I half paid attention to while I filled out paperwork. Here in Maryland you don't need a license. So walked it, bought my gun, filled out the paperwork, now I just wait my 8 days and its off to the range...

Unfortunately in Maryland you have to have one hell of a reason to get a concealed carry permit. It is controlled by the State Police and as far as they are concerned you don't need one. For those that have one there is absolutely no reciprocity with any other state in the Union. You can have a permit, investigated by and issued by the Maryland State Police yet you can not carry that concealed weapon into any State Police Barracks in the State although they are the ones who cleared you and said you are trustworthy enough to have one. Pretty ridiculous. This also applies to entering the Handgun Permit Section who issues the permits. What a joke.

Go out and get more weapons, get trained, also get a shotgun. Good luck in trying to get a concealed weapons permot though, it ain't gonna happen in the State of Maryland.

However, for $100.00 you can get an out of state concealed weapons permit in Virginia that allows you to carry concealed in Virginia and any state that has reciprocity. File through the Virginia State Police. It is a must issue law, they can't deny you unless you are a felon. They at least appreciate their armed citizens.

[foxbaron]

ALso check out the Springfield XD in all calibers.

AN excellent weapon and gets better every year. Plus it is reasonably affordable.

[foxbaron]

Good for you.

I believe revolvers are much safer for home defense as autos are ready to fire after discharge and with your adrenalin so high you can forget the weapon is ready for discharge again.
Just my opinion based on dealing with a break in 30 years ago.


The best weapon for home defense is the shotgun.. easy to load and simple to use, you just point and shoot. AND the sound of a round being racked is a sound like none other that the bad guys will immediately, without exception, recognize.

[foxbaron]

Thanks man, appreciate that.

It is a semi auto, I think Dale got confused with which one I bought. I like this one because its going to pack more of a punch than a 9, but the .45 kicks too much for me to be any good with it right away. This one is really for target practice and home protecion, so I'm going to keep the clips loaded with .40 cal hollow points 180 grain. I live in attached town homes. I would hate to miss and have a bullet go through the wall and kill one of my neighbors. The next gun I get will probably be a shotgun. My buddy has a real nice tactical shotgun that SWAT uses. Probably something like that to scare the hell out of anyone.

Anyone know of a good website that shows how to maintain and clean guns. Since this is my first I'd like to be able to study up on how to keep it from blowing up in my face a few years down the road lol...



Check out US Concealed Carry.com

[Independent Harry]

Congrats. I have to admit that I've been thinking about buying my first gun, but I've never shot one before or really ever felt the need to own one. I'm a pretty big guy, generally people don't mess with me, and I collect knives which oddly scares people more than gun ownership, lol.

Since the topic is open here though, which type of gun would you all recommend for home defense? Would it be practical to use something like a short barrel shotgun instead of a handgun?

Shotguns are the safest for home defense. They won't penetrate walls and hit neighbors or family members. And most of the time a big shotgun will scare the crap out of someone. And they will run without you having to fire it.

If you do want a handgun, you want something that you only have to shoot once or twice. A .40 or .45 would be the best. But get hollow point bullets, they flaten on impact and are less likely to penetrate walls and hit unintended targets.

[Independent Harry]

ALso check out the Springfield XD in all calibers.

AN excellent weapon and gets better every year. Plus it is reasonably affordable.

I think I looked at the XD, it was much heavier than the Glock or S&W. And I didn't like the way it felt in my hand as much.

[foxbaron]

Congrats. I have to admit that I've been thinking about buying my first gun, but I've never shot one before or really ever felt the need to own one. I'm a pretty big guy, generally people don't mess with me, and I collect knives which oddly scares people more than gun ownership, lol.

Since the topic is open here though, which type of gun would you all recommend for home defense? Would it be practical to use something like a short barrel shotgun instead of a handgun?

A shotgun is by far the best home defense weapon but if you prefer handguns than the handgun you are most comfortable iwth is the best home defense weapon. Forget, type, caliber, ammo and everything else. Whatever you decide on has to be comfortable to you whether it is a semi auto or a revolver. Withe revolver if you have a misfire you just pull the trigger again. With a semi-auto if you have a misfire than you damn well better know how to clear the weapon before you pull the trigger again, if you even can. Whatever you choose, practice with it, constantly so you know what its limitations are. You also develop muscle memory when you practice with the same weapon over and over again. That means you know instinctively how to point it, what to expect when it discharges, how much kick it will have, how hard it it to get it back on target after the first, second or third shot. The more practice the more instinctive it becomes. Pick one weapon and stick with it. I don't care if it is a 22 caliber as opposed to a 45 caliber. What matters is you hit what you are shooting at and you are able, if necessary, to hit it multiple times. Certainly the bigger the caliber the better the knockdown power but it does you know good if the first shot is gonna scare the hell out of you. Try different calibers, you can rent them, both semi-auto and revolver at any good range and try them out and see which caliber you are comfortable with and the go from there. Something is better than nothing even if it is a peashooter. AT the very least you will get their attention. Plus if you live in a townhouse or apartment, check with the gun shop guy as they have ammo that will do the job yet not pass through the wall and kill your neighbor or his kid. Big calibers are nice and obviously do a better job but they also go through walls and other stuff.

Remember, you and you alone, are responsible for every shot that comes out of your gun and it doesn't matter that you were trying to protect yourself or your family. It is your responsibility to know the the limitations of your ammo and it is your responsibility to know what is on the other side of what you are shooting at. They will prosecute you, understand that it doesn't matter to the prosecutors what your intent was, so know your weapon, know your limitations and shoot to kill, not wound, there is no such thing. Never even point a weapon, loaded or unloaded at anyone you do not intend to kill. If you point it at them, then kill them.

[Dale escondido]

Thanks man, appreciate that.

It is a semi auto, I think Dale got confused with which one I bought. I like this one because its going to pack more of a punch than a 9, but the .45 kicks too much for me to be any good with it right away. This one is really for target practice and home protecion, so I'm going to keep the clips loaded with .40 cal hollow points 180 grain. I live in attached town homes. I would hate to miss and have a bullet go through the wall and kill one of my neighbors. The next gun I get will probably be a shotgun. My buddy has a real nice tactical shotgun that SWAT uses. Probably something like that to scare the hell out of anyone.

Anyone know of a good website that shows how to maintain and clean guns. Since this is my first I'd like to be able to study up on how to keep it from blowing up in my face a few years down the road lol...

Harry I knew what you bought.
Everybody loves the firpower of the large autos and talks about knock down power.
For me the truth is unless you are a trained professional you really dont need alot.
Your not going to get into a shoot out like on tv.
Unless you have ever been involved you cant imagine the adrenalin rush and the quick decisions required.
You dont want to be shooting up your house as you dont see anything but what you are focused on. And when its all over the semi is in your hand and ready to be discharged with a very light pull, but by now you dont even realize the weapon is in still your hand possibly.

[Binky]

The best weapon for home defense is the shotgun.. easy to load and simple to use, you just point and shoot. AND the sound of a round being racked is a sound like none other that the bad guys will immediately, without exception, recognize.

Yep, they'll recognize the sound, for sure. I'd get more weapons and ammo. We have several and no one is going to take them from us. No anti gun laws and no criminals alike.

[hdmarketing]

Thanks man, appreciate that.

It is a semi auto, I think Dale got confused with which one I bought. I like this one because its going to pack more of a punch than a 9, but the .45 kicks too much for me to be any good with it right away. This one is really for target practice and home protecion, so I'm going to keep the clips loaded with .40 cal hollow points 180 grain. I live in attached town homes. I would hate to miss and have a bullet go through the wall and kill one of my neighbors. The next gun I get will probably be a shotgun. My buddy has a real nice tactical shotgun that SWAT uses. Probably something like that to scare the hell out of anyone.

Anyone know of a good website that shows how to maintain and clean guns. Since this is my first I'd like to be able to study up on how to keep it from blowing up in my face a few years down the road lol...

Like I said, Semi's are okay, I just prefer the revolver.
If you think recoil is too much, try porting the barrel.

My Taurus 375 has Ported Barrel and custom packmeyers and there is not much recoil at all, and I load my own 158 Grain Semi Jacketed Hollow Points.

As far as Shotgun, may I recommend the Mossberg 500 A cruiser 12Guage.
Best Shotgun I have ever owned. Cops like them too because that's what is mounted on almost every dash in the Police Cruisers across the country.
It's known as "The Scatter Gun".

Ohhh, by the way, I went and put myself on the waiting list for "The Judge (http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm)"

This is a real Bad Ass!
http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm

:happy:

[doctordog]

I have the Ruger P-90 preban with 3- 15 round clips all preloaded and in a belt with a holster for the gun. I have been certified and only put two shots outside the kill zone in testing.

[Independent Harry]

Like I said, Semi's are okay, I just prefer the revolver.
If you think recoil is too much, try porting the barrel.

My Taurus 375 has Ported Barrel and custom packmeyers and there is not much recoil at all, and I load my own 158 Grain Semi Jacketed Hollow Points.

As far as Shotgun, may I recommend the Mossberg 500 A cruiser 12Guage.
Best Shotgun I have ever owned. Cops like them too because that's what is mounted on almost every dash in the Police Cruisers across the country.
It's known as "The Scatter Gun".

Ohhh, by the way, I went and put myself on the waiting list for "The Judge (http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm)"

This is a real Bad Ass!
http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm

:happy:

Wow, the judge is pretty badass dude.

[foxbaron]

Beretta recently came out with a 12 guage that has almost no recoil at all. Pretty amazing.

[Mr. Blue]

Shotguns are the safest for home defense. They won't penetrate walls and hit neighbors or family members. And most of the time a big shotgun will scare the crap out of someone. And they will run without you having to fire it.

If you do want a handgun, you want something that you only have to shoot once or twice. A .40 or .45 would be the best. But get hollow point bullets, they flaten on impact and are less likely to penetrate walls and hit unintended targets.


A shotgun is by far the best home defense weapon but if you prefer handguns than the handgun you are most comfortable iwth is the best home defense weapon. Forget, type, caliber, ammo and everything else. Whatever you decide on has to be comfortable to you whether it is a semi auto or a revolver. Withe revolver if you have a misfire you just pull the trigger again. With a semi-auto if you have a misfire than you damn well better know how to clear the weapon before you pull the trigger again, if you even can. Whatever you choose, practice with it, constantly so you know what its limitations are. You also develop muscle memory when you practice with the same weapon over and over again. That means you know instinctively how to point it, what to expect when it discharges, how much kick it will have, how hard it it to get it back on target after the first, second or third shot. The more practice the more instinctive it becomes. Pick one weapon and stick with it. I don't care if it is a 22 caliber as opposed to a 45 caliber. What matters is you hit what you are shooting at and you are able, if necessary, to hit it multiple times. Certainly the bigger the caliber the better the knockdown power but it does you know good if the first shot is gonna scare the hell out of you. Try different calibers, you can rent them, both semi-auto and revolver at any good range and try them out and see which caliber you are comfortable with and the go from there. Something is better than nothing even if it is a peashooter. AT the very least you will get their attention. Plus if you live in a townhouse or apartment, check with the gun shop guy as they have ammo that will do the job yet not pass through the wall and kill your neighbor or his kid. Big calibers are nice and obviously do a better job but they also go through walls and other stuff.

Remember, you and you alone, are responsible for every shot that comes out of your gun and it doesn't matter that you were trying to protect yourself or your family. It is your responsibility to know the the limitations of your ammo and it is your responsibility to know what is on the other side of what you are shooting at. They will prosecute you, understand that it doesn't matter to the prosecutors what your intent was, so know your weapon, know your limitations and shoot to kill, not wound, there is no such thing. Never even point a weapon, loaded or unloaded at anyone you do not intend to kill. If you point it at them, then kill them.

Thanks for the responses, I think I'll take a closer look at the gun regulations in NY and then delve into the world of gun ownership myself.

[Hog Trash]

Bought my first gun today
You know your boy Obama doesn't believe you have the right to own that gun, don't you?......Probably not.

[kres24GT]

Good call, as governments begin to corrode it will soon be every man for himself.

[hdmarketing]

Wow, the judge is pretty badass dude.

Yea, I know heh heh heh...

Baisically it's just a sawed off shotgun;)

I will be replacing my 38 that I carry conceiled with my new Judge.:thumbsup:

Brings a whole new perspective to Clint Eastwood's " you gotta ask yourself punk, do ya feel lucky?
Well, do ya?

[Independent Harry]

Yea, I know heh heh heh...

Baisically it's just a sawed off shotgun;)

I will be replacing my 38 that I carry conceiled with my new Judge.:thumbsup:

Brings a whole new perspective to Clint Eastwood's " you gotta ask yourself punk, do ya feel lucky?
Well, do ya?

yeah, that thing would basically cut someone in half if you hit them in the same spot a couple of times.

[Dale escondido]

yeah, that thing would basically cut someone in half if you hit them in the same spot a couple of times.

Mack 10 or 11 is good also . very messy and easy to hide.
Rolling a grenade into a room is also very effective at clearing an area.
Harry your first gun is changing you my friend:lmao2:

[foxbaron]

Just remember folks, if you get a handgun, shotgun, howitzer or a tank be careful you don't let it make your anatomy grow any bigger than what it actually is. It is really not that hard to take it away from you.

The appropriate use of your handgun requires the use of the appropriate head.

[Independent Harry]

Mack 10 or 11 is good also . very messy and easy to hide.
Rolling a grenade into a room is also very effective at clearing an area.
Harry your first gun is changing you my friend:lmao2:

lol, I haven't changed at all. I can go far to the left or far to the right on different political issue, hence the term Independent...

[Independent Harry]

Just remember folks, if you get a handgun, shotgun, howitzer or a tank be careful you don't let it make your anatomy grow any bigger than what it actually is. It is really not that hard to take it away from you.

The appropriate use of your handgun requires the use of the appropriate head.

What you mean I can't take on the terrorists all by myself?

[SeedyROM]

The best weapon for home defense is the shotgun.. easy to load and simple to use, you just point and shoot. AND the sound of a round being racked is a sound like none other that the bad guys will immediately, without exception, recognize.

I prefer semi-autos for home defense, they hold more rounds and with extra clips, reloading is fast. If I were to use a shotgun, I'd buy 1 once steel slugs or steel jumbo buckshot. If you're gonna shot do the taxpayers a favor and do it right.:thumbsup:

[SeedyROM]

Shotguns are the safest for home defense. They won't penetrate walls and hit neighbors or family members. And most of the time a big shotgun will scare the crap out of someone. And they will run without you having to fire it.

If you do want a handgun, you want something that you only have to shoot once or twice. A .40 or .45 would be the best. But get hollow point bullets, they flaten on impact and are less likely to penetrate walls and hit unintended targets.

The problem with shotguns in homes is manuerability, with handguns its aim and shoot. Long barrels get in the way, in the dark you could give away your position. A shotgun would scare most villens no doubt though. The good thing about shotguns is that they sell bean bag rounds that will knock the shit out a crook. Load it as the first round and shoot them on sight and let them know the next round is gonna hurt more.:thumbsup:

[Dale escondido]

The problem with shotguns in homes is manuerability, with handguns its aim and shoot. Long barrels get in the way, in the dark you could give away your position. A shotgun would scare most villens no doubt though. The good thing about shotguns is that they sell bean bag rounds that will knock the shit out a crook. Load it as the first round and shoot them on sight and let them know the next round is gonna hurt more.:thumbsup:

The lawsuit you would be facing would make you wished the 00 was loaded first.
And how do you know your only dealing with one perp?

[SeedyROM]

The lawsuit you would be facing would make you wished the 00 was loaded first.
And how do you know your only dealing with one perp?

Liberal juries are easily swayed when it comes to self defense in the home. I think even in a lawsuit the arguement would favor me because the first shot would be deemed a warning. I prefer to be judged by 12 than
carried by 6. :thumbsup:

You know if there is more than one perp by the sounds of footsteps are talking. Shot one, the other runs away or toward you, then shoot number 2 and so on. I'm not going to be the victim who dies with an empty hands.

[Independent Harry]

Liberal juries are easily swayed when it comes to self defense in the home. I think even in a lawsuit the arguement would favor me because the first shot would be deemed a warning. I prefer to be judged by 12 than
carried by 6. :thumbsup:

You know if there is more than one perp by the sounds of footsteps are talking. Shot one, the other runs away or toward you, then shoot number 2 and so on. I'm not going to be the victim who dies with an empty hands.

Or bullets left in the gun lol...

[foxbaron]

What you mean I can't take on the terrorists all by myself?


Not this week Harry, you need more practice first. Maybe in a month or so.

[foxbaron]

The problem with shotguns in homes is manuerability, with handguns its aim and shoot. Long barrels get in the way, in the dark you could give away your position. A shotgun would scare most villens no doubt though. The good thing about shotguns is that they sell bean bag rounds that will knock the shit out a crook. Load it as the first round and shoot them on sight and let them know the next round is gonna hurt more.:thumbsup:


Whatever you feel comfortable with is what you should use. Manuverability with shotguns can be eliminated by getting a folding stock.

The main thing is you shoot to kill, not wound and not to scare away. You do not shoot unless you are in 'FEAR OF YOUR LIFE", if you are not in fear of your life or the lives of your loved ones you are not justified in shooting, therefore the KEY wording in any statement to the Police is, 'I WAS IN FEAR OF MY LIFE OR THAT OF MY FAMILY". Dead people can not testify against you. Ballistics can however. SO be sure they are inside and they are an immediate threat to you. You can not drag them inside afterwards. Let them get part way down the hallway before you smoke their ass. Some states require that you must show an intent to evade the situation. In other words you must show that YOU retreated as far as you could before you kill the prick. Know what your State laws are and what your limitations are before you start leaving dead bodies in the hallway.

[SeedyROM]

Whatever you feel comfortable with is what you should use. Manuverability with shotguns can be eliminated by getting a folding stock.

The main thing is you shoot to kill, not wound and not to scare away. You do not shoot unless you are in 'FEAR OF YOUR LIFE", if you are not in fear of your life or the lives of your loved ones you are not justified in shooting, therefore the KEY wording in any statement to the Police is, 'I WAS IN FEAR OF MY LIFE OR THAT OF MY FAMILY". Dead people can not testify against you. Ballistics can however. SO be sure they are inside and they are an immediate threat to you. You can not drag them inside afterwards. Let them get part way down the hallway before you smoke their ass. Some states require that you must show an intent to evade the situation. In other words you must show that YOU retreated as far as you could before you kill the prick. Know what your State laws are and what your limitations are before you start leaving dead bodies in the hallway.

Agreed, I know the laws in both states I live in. If I screwed up I'd go buy 2 gallons of fluoridic acid, put the body in my cast iron bath tub, run some water and bury them at sea. Bodies will melt to nothing in less than 20 minutes. :thumbsup:

[foxbaron]

Agreed, I know the laws in both states I live in. If I screwed up I'd go buy 2 gallons of fluoridic acid, put the body in my cast iron bath tub, run some water and bury them at sea. Bodies will melt to nothing in less than 20 minutes. :thumbsup:



Coca Cola can have the same effect and nobody traces the sale of coke.

[SeedyROM]

Coca Cola can have the same effect and nobody traces the sale of coke.

It takes a day or so just to melt a t-bone steak with coke.

[Bill]

Everybody should be buying guns. We'll need them.

The corporocracy and it's servants have tons of them. Keep that in mind.

[SeniorChief]

Congrats and welcome to gun ownership.

I am partial to Rugers myself, but I do own a Smith .38 Detective Special, circa 1984 or so. I bought it for my wife years ago to carry while she was in college.

I really have no idea how many guns I own. All I know is there's one "nearby" in every location of the home.

Perhaps someday I should take an inventory!

Again - congrats!

[SeedyROM]

Speaking of guns, a friend emailed this video of a Glock Model 18 converted full auto fires 298 rounds per minute. Check out the dual round clip, big ass magazine!! S&W's can be converted too.

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[Hog Trash]

Speaking of guns, a friend emailed this video of a Glock Model 18 converted full auto fires 298 rounds per minute. Check out the dual round clip, big ass magazine!! S&W's can be converted too.
Any semi can be converted to full auto by simply filling down the sear pin.

My Sig Saur cannot be beat when it comes to reliability...Absolute primo hand gun by any standard.

[SeedyROM]

Any semi can be converted to full auto by simply filling down the sear pin.

My Sig Saur cannot be beat when it comes to reliability...Absolute primo hand gun by any standard.
That's true, many guns can take the heat and the wear and tear just like the Glock. Sig's are the best guns all around, I'm considering a 5.7mm Sig for my next gun show visit.

[ROdger Right]

lucky bastards i say to you alll, fuck this 21 bull shit, and they ask what do minorites do that pisses off everyone else. I say if there wearnt so many niggers and such id be able to stimulate the economy in my wya.

[SeedyROM]

Lol, with liberals in charge I expect gun legislation issues to flare up again. Liberals love to take sides with criminals so they can place the sole blame on legitimate gun owners and manufacturers. Not that manufacturers are not partly at fault. Clearly the person with the gun should be held accountable. Liberal lawyers and liberal politicians have destroyed hope for many families who deserve justice. Liberals love all the laws that give criminals more rights than the police and prosecutors.

[Dale escondido]

Lol, with liberals in charge I expect gun legislation issues to flare up again. Liberals love to take sides with criminals so they can place the sole blame on legitimate gun owners and manufacturers. Not that manufacturers are not partly at fault. Clearly the person with the gun should be held accountable. Liberal lawyers and liberal politicians have destroyed hope for many families who deserve justice. Liberals love all the laws that give criminals more rights than the police and prosecutors.

I have struggled with that one as guns are part of the scenery in my house.
I dont use trigger locks or safes, when my kids lived at home they were proficient with firarms very early.
Seems the truth is making the environment more dangerous by taking guns and protecting criminals keeps the courts busy, law enforcement needing more staff and laywers working. Its is just about the benjamins.

[Hog Trash]

Liberals love to take sides with criminals so they can place the sole blame on legitimate gun owners and manufacturers. Not that manufacturers are not partly at fault.Other than if my gun should malfunction when an intruder is breaking in my house, I can't think of any other way a gun manufacturer could be at fault or liable...In what way do you believe they could be at fault, Seedy?

[SeedyROM]

Other than if my gun should malfunction when an intruder is breaking in my house, I can't think of any other way a gun manufacturer could be at fault or liable...In what way do you believe they could be at fault, Seedy?

Manufacturers are at fault for refusing to budge for background checks at gun shows for all weapons, the NRA is partly at fault. A lot of guns wind up in the hands of criminals because of gun shows. Street sellers go to gun shows and buy guns to sell to crooks and soon to be crooks. I blame to big money executives because they are only interested in $$$.

[SeedyROM]

I have struggled with that one as guns are part of the scenery in my house.
I dont use trigger locks or safes, when my kids lived at home they were proficient with firarms very early.
Seems the truth is making the environment more dangerous by taking guns and protecting criminals keeps the courts busy, law enforcement needing more staff and laywers working. Its is just about the benjamins.

Yes it is, the system is unfair. I know several local cops here who say the system is rigged against them because of liberal lawyers and civil rights groups. Court trials cost a fortune when crooks fight the system. Liberal judges legislate from the bench, the whole system is flawed and corrupted in favor of the bad guys thanks to liberals.

[Hog Trash]

Manufacturers are at fault for refusing to budge for background checks at gun shows for all weapons, the NRA is partly at fault. A lot of guns wind up in the hands of criminals because of gun shows. Street sellers go to gun shows and buy guns to sell to crooks and soon to be crooks. I blame to big money executives because they are only interested in $$$.That makes sense to me. Are they still aloud to sell handguns at gunshows without background checks and waiting periods?

[SeedyROM]

That makes sense to me. Are they still aloud to sell handguns at gunshows without background checks and waiting periods?

In many states guns can be sold over the counter. Every state is different, some have cracked down I believe.