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01-26-2009, 12:47 PM
The end of the world is nearly upon us, but there's a silver lining: At least you know when your 401(k) will finally hit bottom. Mark Dec. 21, 2012 on your calendar. That's the exact day that lots of normally sane people believe some disaster will befall our planet - and not the kind of annoying everyday disaster like your cable going out or Ethan Hawke writing another novel. We're talking Biblical proportions - the end of life on Earth as we know it.
We're guessing this means the Second Avenue subway won't actually get finished.

If you're looking for someone to blame (and rightfully so), search no further than the Mayans. Examination of their calendar is responsible for much of the apocalyptic hand-wringing.

The ancient Mesoamericans were highly advanced in the areas of mathematics and astronomy, and they accurately tracked the movement of the sun and the planets. They used multiple calendars, but it's the one called the "long count" that has soothsayers so agitated. The long count calendar measures 5,126 years, then resets, marking the end of one age and the dawn of another. The current age is scheduled to end on - a cookie for anyone who can guess - Dec. 21, 2012. This day also happens to be the winter solstice and a time when the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in about 25,800 years.

Could the Mayans have known something huge was going to happen, simply by examining the stars? Lots of people think so. The doom and gloom is so mainstream, there's even "The Complete Idiot's Guide to 2012."
One such believer is Patrick Geryl, a 53-year-old Belgian, who in 2006 quit his job with an oil company and began preparing for the coming apocalypse. He's written three books on the topic, including "How to Survive 2012" and "The World Cataclysm in 2012."

He may not be the cheeriest fellow, but Geryl is committed. In Belgium, he's formed a survival group of about 20 people who plan on buying land in Africa to start building the foundation for a new society. That will be after the Earth's magnetic poles suddenly shift, causing a new Ice Age.
"The best thing you can do is stop working and go on vacation," he says. "I go on vacation six times a year."

Hollywood is on the bandwagon as well. To capitalize on the hysteria, Columbia Pictures will release "2012" this fall, a thriller starring John Cusack as a researcher trying to survive various global catastrophes. It's directed by Roland Emmerich, a man who, after reading the reviews for his wretched last film "10,000 BC," knows a thing or two about destruction.

And lest you think you'll live to see 2013 simply because you don't put much credence in a calendar created by people still primitive enough to believe in human sacrifice, don't get too cocky. There is a long, long list of predictions that could just as easily take us out in the next couple of years. Some are piggybacking off the Mayan theory, others aren't. Some highlights:
Pole shift - This is the one Geryl believes. An increase in solar activity will cause the earth's magnetic poles to reverse suddenly on December 20 or 21, 2012, causing catastrophic earthquakes and floods. Once-temperate countries will be covered by thick ice, and ash from erupting volcanoes will plunge the world into nuclear winter.

The earth's poles have reversed many times throughout the planet's history, but the process doesn't happen overnight. It takes tens if not hundreds of thousands of years, says Carol Raymond, principle scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. The idea that earth's magnetic field will suddenly go haywire in 2012 is "not supported by anything we've observed," Raymond says.

Planet X - Adherents to this theory believe that there is a massive planet (nicknamed Nibiru) whose elliptical orbit will bring it into our solar system in 2012, causing calamity on Earth. The existence of a 10th planet or dwarf star lying on the edge of our solar system was first suggested by astronomers in the 19th and early 20th centuries, who observed irregularities in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune. They speculated the irregularity was due to gravitational pull by a giant object nearby. In 1983, a NASA satellite discovered a mystery object some 50 billion miles away. Doomsday theorists postulate that this object has been moving toward earth ever since and will come close enough in 2012 to wreak havoc with the sun and our planet's climate.

Good luck finding anyone credible - or with a telescope - who believes in this one.

The Bible code - In 1994, statistics researchers discovered that there appeared to be prophecies hidden within the text of the Old Testament. By choosing letters at equidistant intervals, the researchers spelled words that they then combined into phrases. The technique has been used by others to uncover a prediction that an asteroid or asteroids will strike the earth in 2012.
The Roman oracle - According to a priestess known as the Cumaean Sibyl, who lived in Italy during the 6th century BC (she's so revered for her predictions, she was painted onto the Sistine Chapel), the world is set to end with the 10th generation - which is right about now. The planet will be ravaged by fire, earthquakes and the sky will fill with ash.

Hopi tradition - The Indian tribe believes that the world has been created and destroyed four times. According to predictions, some of which are carved onto a rock in Arizona, the fifth world will begin when a series of criteria have been met - almost all of which, including earthquakes, rising seas and increasing temperatures, have. A great purification by fire is supposedly on the way.

Solar Armageddon - The sun's solar cycle, which lasts 11 years, reaches its peak in 2012, and some believe that the increased solar activity could do widespread damage to us down here. Could a massive solar flare wipe out most of life on earth? Not hardly. Gigantic flares have hit earth before, and it was far from an extinction-level event. Solar activity can cause blackouts (as it did in Canada in 1989), but that's about the extent of it. "The idea that there would be changes in climate, there's no connection there," Raymond says.

Pretty bleak, huh? But even among those who believe there's something mystical contained within the Mayan calendar, the world ending in 2012 is hardly a certainty. Many feel that the end of the long count signals some sort of transformation, not necessarily a catastrophe.

"I don't respond well to the idea that some cataclysmic event is going to happen," says Ken Jordan, co-editor of "Toward 2012: Perspectives on the Next Age." "There's a reason to believe that something may well be happening when the earth crosses through the galactic center. What we may see is a sudden consciousness opening, an awakening. People may suddenly have some experience that opens them up to the spiritual."

Or, most likely, nothing will happen. Susan Milbrath, curator of Latin American art and archeology at the Florida Museum of Natural History, calls all the doomsday predictions "utter nonsense." She says the Mayan calendar doesn't simply end, it rolls over like a car's odometer.

"We don't have any evidence that the Mayans thought the rollover of a new calendar was associated with the creation of a new world," she says.
Milbrath says scholars have also found inscriptions on monuments in Palenque, Mexico, that allude to dates well beyond 2012. Why would they go to the trouble of marking dates if every human would be turned to ash by then?

She attributes the Armageddon hysteria simply to the fact that the long count is rolling over in our lifetimes. The Apocalypse is probably a lot more interesting if you're around to see it. Plus, this would hardly be the first time for end-of-the-world panic. Astronomers, soothsayers and religious figures have been predicting doomsday for thousands of years. Many in the Christian world thought Christ would return around 1000. In London in 1524, thousands abandoned their home, fearing a coming flood predicted by astrologers. In 1999 in America - well, you were probably there, so you know what happened. Or didn't.

The bottom line is, the world isn't going to end because the Mayan said it will. It's going to end because Al Gore said it will.
Link:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01252009/postopinion/postopbooks/2012__the_end_is_nigh__151704.htm?&page=3

Moby
01-26-2009, 03:29 PM
That's why Bush said that his tax cuts would start paying for themselves and we'd have a balanced budget again in 2013.

ROdger Right
01-26-2009, 05:20 PM
Lets make a grand end to this world and create a greater one.
Let the streets become rivers of blood and remove the system that enslaves us to become the future that awaits us.

foxbaron
01-26-2009, 11:43 PM
Maybe, just maybe, 2012 is the time of the Anti-Christ.

Smurf-Herder
01-27-2009, 12:03 AM
Maybe, just maybe, 2012 is the time of the Anti-Christ.

Several preconditions would be required before we would see the Antichrist.

A time of wars and rumors of wars, like none before.

Unprecedented poverty, disease and natural disasters.

The reemergence of the Roman Empire, in principle.

And "what appears to be" peace in the middle east.


And they would have to start materializing approximately 42 months before he shows his true face - which would be sometime this summer, for the 12/21/12 timeframe.

Moby
01-27-2009, 12:06 AM
Several preconditions would be required before we would see the Antichrist.

A time of wars and rumors of wars, like none before.

Unprecedented poverty, disease and natural disasters.

The reemergence of the Roman Empire, in principle.

And "what appears to be" peace in the middle east.


And they would have to start materializing approximately 42 months before he shows his true face - which would be sometime this summer, for the 12/21/12 timeframe.
I think all except the highlighted item above are very possible before we see a bottom to this recession.

Smurf-Herder
01-27-2009, 06:35 AM
I think all except the highlighted item above are very possible before we see a bottom to this recession.

The highlighted item is Barry's priority, in international matters.

Although I don't see how anyone could realistically pull it off in such a short period of time ... although it will be just an illusion.

ROdger Right
01-28-2009, 12:29 AM
MMM maybe we got obama wrong being the messiah, instead he turns out to be the anti-christ.

The empire is already in place but unknown to the majority of the public.
poverty and disease shouldnt be a problem seeing how its in place.
By the end of the year we will have afghan in control so there be a false peace instilled, with rumors of nukes from iran, with russia doing most of its buisness with out blood but that wont last.

We must heed the call and break all plans.

Smurf-Herder
01-28-2009, 08:43 AM
MMM maybe we got obama wrong being the messiah, instead he turns out to be the anti-christ.

The empire is already in place but unknown to the majority of the public.
poverty and disease shouldnt be a problem seeing how its in place.
By the end of the year we will have afghan in control so there be a false peace instilled, with rumors of nukes from iran, with russia doing most of its buisness with out blood but that wont last.

We must heed the call and break all plans.

This is the basic thing people don't really grasp - the Antichrist is a charismatic figure who comes out of nowhere and fixes things, even in the end bringing an apparent peace and security to Israel; and who eventually is trusted by all, including the most influential religious leaders. And because of this, is given total control of a conglomerate of nations, which symbolize the might of Ancient Rome and sinister aspects of Ancient Babylon, combined.

His ego becomes greatly inflated, because of having so much power. The peace is broken apparently by Persia (Iran) in an alliance with Magog (Russia); and his reaction leads to "fire falling on them from the sky" - destroying a sixth of the opposing force. In the end, The Kings of the East join in, to fight him, crossing the Euphrates River (in Iraq). That's when the "stars fall from the sky" and "fire falls on them that dwell carelessly in the islses" ... all the major cities of the world will fall ... a third of the grass, a third of the life in the sea and a third of mankind are destroyed; a third of the fresh water is poisoned - with the smoke blackening out the sun and turning the moon red.

And that's what we get, for giving so much power to one man. And what that much power does to this man, in the circumstances given him.

...Then apparently "something" comes down from the sky and wipes out the military that's trying to shoot them down; and imposes a "peaceful" authoritarian rule upon the survivors. Eventually putting something the size of a city in geosynchrinous orbit.

"Childhoods End" - (it's an Interdimensional thing)

(Those are the basics I get from reading everything I've seen on this for 35 years)

Moby
01-28-2009, 09:01 AM
This is the basic thing people don't really grasp
Do you believe that there is really an Anti Christ?

I think the basic thing people don't really grasp is there isn't such a thing.

Cat slave
01-29-2009, 01:04 PM
While I donot embrace the Bible as fact, seeing Obama makes me reconsider....he definitely "fits"the profile of the anti christ. Big Time!!!!

Binky
01-29-2009, 01:09 PM
While I donot embrace the Bible as fact, seeing Obama makes me reconsider....he definitely "fits"the profile of the anti christ. Big Time!!!!


:lmao2: :lmao2: Seems to me this conversation has already taken place way back about six or seven months ago. I seem to recall people saying he fit the bill. Whether or not it's true, remains to be seen.

Cat slave
01-29-2009, 02:26 PM
:lmao2: :lmao2: Seems to me this conversation has already taken place way back about six or seven months ago. I seem to recall people saying he fit the bill. Whether or not it's true, remains to be seen.


LOL...oh, I know. Its just good for chitchat.

Smurf-Herder
01-29-2009, 06:02 PM
Do you believe that there is really an Anti Christ?

I think the basic thing people don't really grasp is there isn't such a thing.


It's a name used only twice in the Bible. But there are many references throughout, to an emd-time leader who takes down civilization with him.

Forget the name.

I'm interpreteing prophecy itself, as precognitive experiences heavily embellished by sybolism and ideology. And just laying out the series of interconnected events described.

Smurf-Herder
01-29-2009, 06:05 PM
:lmao2: :lmao2: Seems to me this conversation has already taken place way back about six or seven months ago. I seem to recall people saying he fit the bill. Whether or not it's true, remains to be seen.

He has to be the main character in a major Israeli Peace Deal, or it to fall into place.