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America
01-09-2009, 05:22 PM
A new study from the National Academy of Sciences outlines grim possibilities on Earth for a worst-case scenario solar storm.

Damage to power grids and other communications systems could be catastrophic, the scientists conclude, with effects leading to a potential loss of governmental control of the situation.

The prediction is based in part on a major solar storm in 1859 that caused telegraph wires to short out in the United States and Europe, igniting widespread fires.

It was perhaps the worst in the past 200 years, according to the new study, and with the advent of modern power grids and satellites, much more is at risk.

"A contemporary repetition of the [1859] event would cause significantly more extensive (and possibly catastrophic) social and economic disruptions," the researchers conclude.

When the sun is in the active phase of its 11-year cycle, it can unleash powerful magnetic storms that disable satellites, threaten astronaut safety, and even disrupt communication systems on Earth.

The worst storms can knock out power grids by inducing currents that melt transformers.

Modern power grids are so interconnected that a big space storm — the type expected to occur about once a century — could cause a cascade of failures that would sweep across the United States, cutting power to 130 million people or more in this country alone, the new report concludes.

Such widespread power outages, though expected to be a rare possibility, would affect other vital systems.

"Impacts would be felt on interdependent infrastructures with, for example, potable water distribution affected within several hours; perishable foods and medications lost in 12-24 hours; immediate or eventual loss of heating/air conditioning, sewage disposal, phone service, transportation, fuel resupply and so on," the report states.

Outages could take months to fix, the researchers say. Banks might close, and trade with other countries might halt.

"Emergency services would be strained, and command and control might be lost," write the researchers, led by Daniel Baker, director of the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics at the University of Colorado in Boulder.
"Whether it is terrestrial catastrophes or extreme space weather incidents, the results can be devastating to modern societies that depend in a myriad of ways on advanced technological systems," Baker said in a statement released with the report.

Stormy past
Solar storms have had significant effects in modern time:
— In 1989, the sun unleashed a tempest that knocked out power to all of Quebec, Canada.

— A remarkable 2003 rampage included 10 major solar flares over a two-week period, knocking out two Earth-orbiting satellites and crippling an instrument aboard a Mars orbiter.

"Obviously, the sun is Earth's life blood," said Richard Fisher, director of the Heliophysics division at NASA. "To mitigate possible public safety issues, it is vital that we better understand extreme space weather events caused by the sun's activity."

"Space weather can produce solar storm electromagnetic fields that induce extreme currents in wires, disrupting power lines, causing wide-spread blackouts and affecting communication cables that support the Internet," the report states. "Severe space weather also produces solar energetic particles and the dislocation of the Earth's radiation belts, which can damage satellites used for commercial communications, global positioning and weather forecasting."

The race is on for better forecasting abilities, as the next peak in solar activity is expected to come around 2012.

While the sun is in a lull now, activity can flare up at any moment, and severe space weather — how severe, nobody knows — will ramp up a year or two before the peak.

Some scientists expect the next peak to bring more severe events than other recent peaks.

"A catastrophic failure of commercial and government infrastructure in space and on the ground can be mitigated through raising public awareness, improving vulnerable infrastructure and developing advanced forecasting capabilities," the report states. "Without preventive actions or plans, the trend of increased dependency on modern space-weather sensitive assets could make society more vulnerable in the future."

The report was commissioned and funded by NASA. Experts from around the world in industry, government and academia participated. It was released this week.

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Moby
01-09-2009, 07:21 PM
There's a reason why Bush claimed that his tax cuts would pay for themselves and the deficit would level off in 2013. The same year that McCain said we'd win in Iraq.

Dale escondido
01-09-2009, 09:16 PM
There's a reason why Bush claimed that his tax cuts would pay for themselves and the deficit would level off in 2013. The same year that McCain said we'd win in Iraq.

Very funny SM:lmao2:

America
01-10-2009, 12:38 PM
I hope this is all BS.

Smurf-Herder
01-10-2009, 12:46 PM
The 2012 dead end appears to show it's coming face in everything.

Whatever happens in 2012, I hope we all find a way to psychologically and emotional prepare ourselves by then. I'm not sure what will happen, but I know there will be at least the beginning of a quantum change for humanity, in some way. And it doesn't appear that it's going to be subtle.

2012 - Childhood's End.

Dale escondido
01-10-2009, 01:02 PM
The 2012 dead end appears to show it's coming face in everything.

Whatever happens in 2012, I hope we all find a way to psychologically and emotional prepare ourselves by then. I'm not sure what will happen, but I know there will be at least the beginning of a quantum change for humanity, in some way. And it doesn't appear that it's going to be subtle.

2012 - Childhood's End.

Damn I was just getting over the Y2k scare:confused:

Sorry couldnt help myself

Smurf-Herder
01-10-2009, 01:28 PM
If "My Big TOE" and Astrotometry ( "http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=7525" ) are correct, every potential for any event exists in some "dimension" (like 'Sliders').

Therefore, I believe 2012 will be the nexus (on a global consiousness scale) of a series of events, either starting, or culminating on Dec. 21, 2012. Some natural, some man-made and some on other levels. But all intertwined.



....... like a Twilight Zone marathon .............

Cat slave
01-11-2009, 03:13 AM
Ive been watching some programs the last few days dealing with these
predictions. While its kinda scary, its also exciting to be around at such
a time of profound change. That said, I dont know how Ill feel beginning
in Dec of 2012. I may be totally wigged out.

You can really feel something in the "air" though! I heard it referred to as
a "bottleneck" of a lot of different problems coming together at the same
time with the question "can we survive"? Hope we live to find out.:disbelief:

SeedyROM
01-11-2009, 03:56 AM
There's a reason why Bush claimed that his tax cuts would pay for themselves and the deficit would level off in 2013. The same year that McCain said we'd win in Iraq.

Obama will still be in office in 2012, NoDramaBama + catastrophe= the end of the world, lol.:lmao2:

Binky
01-11-2009, 06:16 AM
Ive been watching some programs the last few days dealing with these
predictions. While its kinda scary, its also exciting to be around at such
a time of profound change. That said, I dont know how Ill feel beginning
in Dec of 2012. I may be totally wigged out.

You can really feel something in the "air" though! I heard it referred to as
a "bottleneck" of a lot of different problems coming together at the same
time with the question "can we survive"? Hope we live to find out.:disbelief:


I've had that feeling of "something in the air," as well. It's like electricity that is building to a huge blowup. Events have occured that are all coming together. I don't know if it's the end of the world or the end of the world as we know it now. Maybe it's this new world order thing. Or maybe God is warning us that he's coming for his believers and the others will be left behind. I don't know. Whatever it is, it's huge. It's catastropic. It's life altering or life taking. But it's coming, whatever it is. There is definitely friction in the air. Something in the wind, so to speak, that can make the hair on the nape of the neck stand up and wiggle. Creepy!

Smurf-Herder
01-11-2009, 12:21 PM
I've had that feeling of "something in the air," as well. It's like electricity that is building to a huge blowup. Events have occured that are all coming together. I don't know if it's the end of the world or the end of the world as we know it now. Maybe it's this new world order thing. Or maybe God is warning us that he's coming for his believers and the others will be left behind. I don't know. Whatever it is, it's huge. It's catastropic. It's life altering or life taking. But it's coming, whatever it is. There is definitely friction in the air. Something in the wind, so to speak, that can make the hair on the nape of the neck stand up and wiggle. Creepy!

I did a Googling on that, and found that lots of diverse people who are sensitive to such things are experiencing this "feeling".

http://www.traditionalwitch.net/forums/showthread.php?p=48455 (http://www.traditionalwitch.net/forums/showthread.php?p=48455)

Cat slave
01-11-2009, 01:22 PM
I've had that feeling of "something in the air," as well. It's like electricity that is building to a huge blowup. Events have occured that are all coming together. I don't know if it's the end of the world or the end of the world as we know it now. Maybe it's this new world order thing. Or maybe God is warning us that he's coming for his believers and the others will be left behind. I don't know. Whatever it is, it's huge. It's catastropic. It's life altering or life taking. But it's coming, whatever it is. There is definitely friction in the air. Something in the wind, so to speak, that can make the hair on the nape of the neck stand up and wiggle. Creepy!

Hmmm....glad to hear Im among others who feel it cause it does make the
hair stand up!

Smurf-Herder
01-11-2009, 02:14 PM
Just thinking ............


122112

Is there meaning in that?

Hog Trash
01-11-2009, 05:25 PM
We might consider a catastrophic disaster in 2012 as evidence that paranormal phenomena is a reality.

That there may be life after death as well as many other things people are skeptical about....Or simply coincidence?

Cat slave
01-12-2009, 03:15 PM
We will all find that out......or not.

Hog Trash
01-12-2009, 08:39 PM
We will all find that out......or not.Yea, but finding out a little in advance would be reassuring.

ROdger Right
01-12-2009, 10:36 PM
You would like to know whats going to happen unless your one who is making sure 2012 wont be an empty year.