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Smurf-Herder
01-07-2009, 01:13 AM
New cold war in Europe as Russia turns off gas supplies

Fears of a deep chill spread across Europe yesterday after a row between Russia and Ukraine over gas prices cut supplies to the rest of the continent on a day of plummeting temperatures and heavy snowfalls.

The European Union said the situation was "completely unacceptable" as thousands of businesses were urged to switch fuels, and households struggled to keep warm in sub-zero temperatures. But there was no sign of an end to the standoff between Russia's energy monopoly Gazprom and Ukraine, locked in battle since New Year's Day.

Gazprom stopped pumping gas to Ukraine for domestic consumption on 1 January after the two countries failed to agree on a fixed price for 2009. The pipelines that cross Ukraine also carry gas to Europe but that continued to flow, until Moscow accused Ukraine of siphoning off Europe's fuel and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin retaliated by ordering Gazprom to cut EU-bound exports by the amount being stolen.

Yesterday Russia stopped gas supplies through Ukraine to Bulgaria, Hungary, Greece, Turkey, Romania, Serbia, Bosnia and Macedonia. The government of Slovakia declared a national emergency; Austria and Italy reported falls of 90 per cent; France said Russian supplies had tailed off 70 per cent, and Germany also reported a decline although did not quantify it.

The Czech Republic, which took over the EU presidency this month, had sharp words for Moscow. "Drastically curbing deliveries this way is no solution to business disputes," said Alexandr Vondra, the Czech Deputy Prime Minister. "It is impossible to hold other countries hostage." He demanded the warring sides reach an agreement by the end of the week.

In Bulgaria, the government has declared a "crisis situation". The country not only has the lowest GDP per capita in the EU, but relies on Russia for all of its gas.

"Everyone was sent home from school after the gas suddenly went off," said Patrizia, an 18-year-old student in the provincial town of Pazardzhik, where the daytime temperature was minus 8C. "It's the first time I remember this happening, there was no warning, and people are worried because they have no idea how long it will last."

Douglas Erskine, a British expat, said many of Bulgaria's seven million residents would struggle. "Houses are poorly insulated, the electricity supply is unpredictable, and the elderly will struggle to get coal and wood. In many towns and villages, people gather in cafés to keep warm because they can't pay for heating at home. What will become of them if the heating goes off?"

Bakers say the price of bread could rise by 5 per cent because of gas shortages. The disruption has already forced two big fertiliser producers and a major brewery to stop production, and metals and pharmaceutical firms warned they may have to follow suit.

An EU delegation headed to Kiev for talks yesterday. Separate discussions are planned with Gazprom representatives today in Berlin.

Most European countries say they have enough gas in storage to cover at least a few weeks of disruption. The 27-nation EU gets about a quarter of its gas from Russia, of which 80 per cent is pumped through Ukraine.

Diplomatic chill: What caused it?

What sparked the gas wars?

On New Year's Eve, the deadline expired for Russia and Ukraine to agree a new contract for 2009 gas supplies. Moscow had wanted to raise its prices and charge Kiev $250 per 1,000 cubic metres, up from $179.5 last year. The Ukrainians thought that excessive and refused to pay a cent more than $201. Russia promptly put its price up to $450. Then at 10am on New Year's Day Russia's Gazprom halted supplies of all gas meant for domestic use in Ukraine.

So why are other European countries suffering?

It wasn't quite as simple as Moscow turning off the Ukraine gas tap. The EU gets about a fifth of its gas from Russia via the same pipes that pass through Ukraine. Russia cut the total volume of gas it was pumping by the amount Ukraine imports. But Russia says Ukraine stole some gas intended for Europe, and has cut deliveries by the same amount that was siphoned off.

Is this business or politics?

Russia's economy has been shaken by the credit crunch. Gazprom has debts of about $50bn and Russia's foreign reserves have dropped by more than a third, so Prime Minister Putin may be concerned about getting as much cash as possible for his gas. But the political dimension cannot be ignored given the bad blood between Kiev and Moscow. Mr Putin has not forgiven the Western-leaning President Viktor Yushchenko for sweeping to victory in the Orange Revolution in 2004, an animosity strengthened by Ukraine's ambition to join Nato and its support for Tbilisi in the Russia-Georgia war in August. Compare Ukraine with Belarus, which made supportive noises about South Ossetia and has been promised cheaper gas.

What happens next?

Kiev and Moscow need to return to the negotiating table, and with disruption starting to hit Europe, pressure for a deal is mounting. The EU is sending a mission to meet separately with Ukrainian and Russian officials, and if all else fails there could be a three-way EU gas summit. In the meantime, affected countries will have to rely on their gas stocks, which vary in size; for some, it's a matter of weeks, for others just days.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/new-cold-war-in-europe-as-russia-turns-off-gas-supplies-1230036.html

(NOTE: Notice how the only gas line to Europe not going through Russia itself goes through Georgia)

Bill
01-07-2009, 02:03 AM
Russia is sitting pretty. Lots of natural resources, and a people used to tightening belts.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes for fossil carbon prices to start that inevitable inexorable climb back up.

And this next time people won't be so unquick to uncap those expensive wells, to turn the tap back on. Why should they?

ROdger Right
01-07-2009, 03:22 AM
hahahahha i wonder how many countries will change their minds on allowing some countries in the eu or u.n

Smurf-Herder
01-07-2009, 07:41 AM
Russia is sitting pretty. Lots of natural resources, and a people used to tightening belts.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes for fossil carbon prices to start that inevitable inexorable climb back up.

And this next time people won't be so unquick to uncap those expensive wells, to turn the tap back on. Why should they?

Actually, it already has.

Between the Gaza conflict and the Russian gas cutoff, Oil went up in the past few days and gas at the pump jumped 16 cents a gallon in the past 48 hours.

Roadvirus
01-07-2009, 12:14 PM
These countries screwed themselves for becoming so dependent on Russia for oil. They need to diversify their fuel sources.

Cat slave
01-07-2009, 12:49 PM
Wars have started over less than this and this is huge!

Cat slave
01-07-2009, 12:49 PM
Lets all drill, baby drill.

Scumbag
01-08-2009, 08:04 AM
Actually, it already has.

Between the Gaza conflict and the Russian gas cutoff, Oil went up in the past few days and gas at the pump jumped 16 cents a gallon in the past 48 hours.
Um, you DO all realize that Russia has cut off the gas supplies?
You know, gas for heating and cooking and stuff. Not the gas you use in your SUV, right?

You really are in a vacuum, smurf! lol.

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Moby
01-08-2009, 11:23 AM
Um, you DO all realize that Russia has cut off the gas supplies?
You know, gas for heating and cooking and stuff. Not the gas you use in your SUV, right?

You really are in a vacuum, smurf! lol.

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:
Lets all drill, baby drill. ;)

Mr. Blue
01-08-2009, 12:30 PM
Um, you DO all realize that Russia has cut off the gas supplies?
You know, gas for heating and cooking and stuff. Not the gas you use in your SUV, right?

You really are in a vacuum, smurf! lol.

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Lets all drill, baby drill. ;)

If natural gas isn't available....what do you think these countries are going to move to? Oil perhaps. What happens when demand increases for a non-renewable item? Prices will.......go up.

I'm pretty sure Smurf understood that they were talking about Natural Gas and he's drawing future implications of Russia's actions. Remember that oil speculations and futures is what helps to drive the price of gasoline up.

Binky
01-08-2009, 12:43 PM
This is a perfect example of why one should NOT be dependant on another for it's life support, so to speak. There is always the chance it will be ripped out. These people are in a world of hurt. No gas, no heating oil and in many cases, no way to cook their food.

Drill, drill, drill, but in America the environmentalists have our hands tied. Our politicians that are wanting to drill are going to have to find ingenious ways of accomplishing that task. These same environmentalists are people that were shouting like the rest of us about high gas prices and heating oil. Duh.

I'm beginning to believe we are headed straight for the Mad Max lifestyle at some point in the future.

Mr. Blue
01-08-2009, 12:55 PM
This is a perfect example of why one should NOT be dependant on another for it's life support, so to speak. There is always the chance it will be ripped out. These people are in a world of hurt. No gas, no heating oil and in many cases, no way to cook their food.

Drill, drill, drill, but in America the environmentalists have our hands tied. Our politicians that are wanting to drill are going to have to find ingenious ways of accomplishing that task. These same environmentalists are people that were shouting like the rest of us about high gas prices and heating oil. Duh.

I'm just going to address this topic of Drill, Drill, Drill once because it seems to keep coming up as a topic and both sides of the coin are wrong on the issue.

Drilling is a necessary, but temporary bridge to the future. Should we drill more, no doubt about it, but as we're doing that we essentially need to find a permanent solution.

To have a complete path to energy independence we need to take nothing off the table. Energy independence comes by doing everything possible and it seems both sides have a myopic view on the issue.

People that keep saying to drill focuses too much on one area.

People that poke fun at drilling have unrealistic expectation of environmentally friendly energy.

When it comes down to it we need to drill, we need to use nuclear, we need to use coal, we need to explore all solar, wind, etc, etc, etc.

Cat slave
01-08-2009, 04:33 PM
I'm just going to address this topic of Drill, Drill, Drill once because it seems to keep coming up as a topic and both sides of the coin are wrong on the issue.

Drilling is a necessary, but temporary bridge to the future. Should we drill more, no doubt about it, but as we're doing that we essentially need to find a permanent solution.

To have a complete path to energy independence we need to take nothing off the table. Energy independence comes by doing everything possible and it seems both sides have a myopic view on the issue.

People that keep saying to drill focuses too much on one area.

People that poke fun at drilling have unrealistic expectation of environmentally friendly energy.

When it comes down to it we need to drill, we need to use nuclear, we need to use coal, we need to explore all solar, wind, etc, etc, etc.


Cant argue with that but the issue of "drill, drill, drill" keeps coming up because it is so insane that we have let the dirt people keep us form
using our own resources.

IMO, we do need to drill, drill, drill......that is while we are finding new
ways to generate the energy that we need...there should be no stone
left unturned. That would bring us to a time when we would be independent
and not at the mercy of a bunch of temperamental camel jockies.

If the upcoming administration was on its toes it would be thinking of the
jobs that could be created when companies are given incentives to stay
in the USA and create new technologies. Wind, solar, nuclear, tidal, geo
thermal and probably things I cant even imagine...is there not a "Tesla"
out there somewhere and investors ready to stand behind development
of 21st century technology? Theres still money around, its just not playing
the market. Given the right climate entrepreneurs would come out of the
woodwork.