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disrupter
12-31-2008, 09:13 AM
Forget about redemption or conversion to Christianity

Looks like the psycho right is down to executing anyone who doesn't claim to be Christian.

"[The religious psycho gunslinger] barged in and wanted to know who was a Christian and who wasn't a Christian,"

Eldora Ski Area GM Gunned Down, Shooter Killed
Sheriff: Gunman Engaged In Gun Battle With Deputy

POSTED: 7:52 am MST December 30, 2008
UPDATED: 11:46 pm MST December 30, 2008

NEDERLAND, Colo. -- The general manager of Eldora Mountain Resort was shot to death Tuesday, while the suspect died in a gun battle with a Boulder County sheriff's deputy who was injured by flying glass from his windshield.

The shooting happened in a maintenance building called the "pump house," at the base of Eldora Mountain.

Sheriff Joe Pelle told 7NEWS that

a ski resort employee was shot and killed there.

The victim was identified as Brian Mahon by Eldora Ski Resort Tuesday afternoon.

The shooting happened in view of 18 to 20 ski area employees who had gathered for a morning meeting.

According to a later news release from Boulder Undersheriff Tom Shoemaker, "The suspect ... fired a shot into the ceiling and yelled something about religion to the employees.”

"He (the suspect) barged in and wanted to know who was a Christian and who wasn't a Christian," said Pelle.

The general manager "entered the room and asked what was going on and was shot by the suspect. The wounded employee subsequently died at the Eldora location," Shoemaker said.

A 911 call, at 7:26 a.m., alerted a deputy, on patrol in the nearby Nederland area, who saw the shooting suspect's vehicle leaving the ski area along Eldora Road, near Nederland High School.

He pursued the vehicle to Highway 119, where it turned south on the highway toward Rollinsville.

"There was a gun battle between the deputy sheriff and the suspect,"
Pelle told 7NEWS. He said the suspect was shot and killed in the gun battle, after he stopped his car.

The suspect's silver Infinity sedan could be seen on the side of the highway with a tight pattern of at least four bullet holes in the windshield in front of the driver seat. There was a similar grouping in the rear window on the same side of the car.

The deputy's patrol vehicle was hit at least three times, with two shots visible in the hood and one shot in the windshield.

"Our deputy received minor injuries from flying glass when his windshield was shot," Pelle said.

"He was taking cover behind his Suburban," said Terry Bergin, a Nederland auto mechanic who said he came upon the scene on his way to work.

Bergin believed the gunfire had just ended when he drove by. He said the man was still in driver's seat and slumped over the steering wheel.

"There was no movement," Bergin said.

Boulder County Detective Commander Phil West said it appeared the gunman was shooting out the window at the officer, prior to the deputy returning fire.

The Boulder county coroner identified the suspect as Derik A. Bonestroo, 24, from Nederland.

Shoemaker said Bonestroo had a black, large-caliber, semi-automatic handgun with a high-capacity magazine and additional ammunition in the car.

The location of the final shooting was along Colo. Highway 119 near the Sundance Cafe, south of Nederland.

The sheriff's office said that when the suspect's car came to a stop, he leaned out the driver's window and began shooting at the deputy's car. The deputy exited his vehicle and went to the right rear when he used his AR-15 service rifle to fire at the suspect's car.

Bonestroo died in a hail of bullets while still sitting in the driver's seat.

The injured deputy was identified as John Seifert, a 46-year-old firearms instructor and SWAT member. He has been with the sheriff's office for about four years.

He was treated and released from Boulder Community Hospital and placed on administrative leave, a normal procedure when an officer is involved in a shooting.

Pelle said the suspect appeared to be going through some sort of emotional or mental crisis. "From discussions with roommates and co-workers he had been very emotional, not all there the last few days as far as sleep and a fixation on religion," said Pelle. Pelle said the suspect wanted to convert people that weren't Christians.

A Boulder skier told the Camera that ski resort employees and skiers who arrived early were told to gather in a bar at the ski area. He said several were crying and that one guy "collapsed in tears."

Witnesses said ski patrol members could be seen running to the pump house with first-aid equipment shortly after the shooting.

The Boulder County Bomb Squad was called in to examine a backpack in the suspect's vehicle, but nothing related to explosives was found by their remotely-controlled robot.

A search warrant was executed Tuesday night at the suspect's cabin in Nederland. What was discovered is unknown, but Pelle said the supect killed his cat prior to the shootings.

A multi-agency team is investigating the two shootings. One team is investigating the fatal shooting at the resort and interviewing witnesses and the second team is investigating the officer-involved fatal shooting on the highway.

The ski area was closed Tuesday but will reopen on Wednesday.

A message on Eldora's Web site said: "Having spent the day in shock, the employees of Eldora have decided the best thing to do to memorialize Brian is to open the ski area (Wednesday) with the slopes groomed 'Brian' perfect."

Eldora is located west of Nederland, in the mountains west of Boulder. It is a smaller Colorado ski resort, with six lifts on 660 acres, and is popular with skiers and snowboarders from Boulder and the University of Colorado.http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18380850/detail.html

Brian Mahon's interruption of this freak probably saved lives, sadly he paid the ultimate price.

This is the kind of thinking of many religious extremists.
Instead of religion being a source of reassurance & solace it becomes a rationale for killing, murdering, raping & robbing other people.
Religion as a means of infliction of violence.

Instead of religion as a ticket to reassurance & peace,
it is an excuse for the worst kind of barbarism & carnage.

Instead of inclusion is it about exclusion & execution.

They rationalize all of their problems & perceived effronteries as being a result of anyone who hasn't bought into their particular brand of psychobabble. "We didn't suck God's butthole tenderly enough."

And because society blindly accepts religious faith, it is a licensing of socially acceptable mental illness.

And Collective mental illness is the most dangerous kind.

Hog Trash
12-31-2008, 02:19 PM
Christian Psychos: Armed & Ready to Execute ALL non-Christians

Forget about redemption or conversion to Christianity

Looks like the psycho right is down to executing anyone who doesn't claim to be Christian.
Damn those murdering blood-thirsty Christian savages, disrupter!....Is it all of them or just most of them that went pysco?

I have the perfect solution to stop this senseless bloodshed...Everyone should convert to Islam, the religion of peace and love.

luciano
12-31-2008, 02:54 PM
Disrupter,

Do you really think the religion made him do it?

Mr, gone
01-01-2009, 12:11 AM
Stuctured religion is only a culture of acceptence. It appears a majority will rule what is correct and incorrect behavior within this structure. No practice of faith is ever intrinsically objective. Therefore, the human mind in all it's fantasy - operates outside the realm of logic and ration.

One group of people knowingly drank tainted kool-aid at the request of their leader. Another group believes aliens have put us here for some higher purpose. Yet another group (ATF & FBI), goes around destroying what it deems as improper behavior.

ALL religions in their dogmatic prejudice, often look toward other beliefs with comtempt. Failing to understand they are comdenming the very same actions that they themselves have perpetrated.

I sit back in amazement that the human mind is able to create such technological beauty - and at the same time operates within such a primitive philosophy regarding other peoples culture.

If one truly desires peace one earth, dismantling structured religion might be the key - that unlocks the door to enlightenment.:D

SeniorChief
01-01-2009, 11:56 AM
Pity he wasn't a peace-loving Muslim.

Mr. Blue
01-01-2009, 05:31 PM
ALL religions in their dogmatic prejudice, often look toward other beliefs with comtempt. Failing to understand they are comdenming the very same actions that they themselves have perpetrated.

I sit back in amazement that the human mind is able to create such technological beauty - and at the same time operates within such a primitive philosophy regarding other peoples culture.

If one truly desires peace one earth, dismantling structured religion might be the key - that unlocks the door to enlightenment.:D

Remove religion and something else will takes it's place. One only has to look at the hysterical loyalty many people have towards their political party to see that the masses need something to organize under and yes even hate people that have different thoughts.

Even Atheism, as time passes, you'll see more of an organized movement there. Take the example of the atheist sign that was put up in Washington, technically, they could have put up a sign that said, "We believe in nothing" and that probably wouldn't have mattered to anyone, but instead they chose to go after religion by more or less insulting them.

When all is said and done, most people need some institution, organization, or even myth, to believe and follow. It's too scary for them to exist in the world and think for themselves.

As for this case posted...You'll have nuts in every religion that will take things too far. Too much is made of the bad and not enough made of the good. How much money, time, and effort do Christian groups donate in charity, etc.

Mr, gone
01-01-2009, 11:49 PM
There seems to be varying levels of this good/bad response within all areas of the human condition. It's more the petty prejudices that people need to dismiss, before further understanding of how destructive this obsolete attitude is.

disrupter
01-02-2009, 07:57 AM
I notice most news soft pedals this by saying he said/yelled 'something religious'.

the bald truth of murderous Christian psychos is just too tough for their viewer ratings?

Self-rationalizing Christians must want to blindly ignore the large [growing?] segment of Christian psychos?

Yes Virginia, Christianity too can become wildly, monstrously inhuman.

The point of disciplined atheism is that it takes constant work to adhere to nothing. There isn't a lot of energy left over [wasted?] to devote to malicious, violent, homicidal rejection of other human beings.
Sticking to nothing is difficult,
sticking to shit is much, much easier.

Mr. Blue
01-02-2009, 09:45 AM
Yes Virginia, Christianity too can become wildly, monstrously inhuman.

No shit? lol, one only has to look at history to see that Christians can be just as bad as any other group.

The problem becomes people think it's one group or another group, when it comes down to a basic flaw in humans. People want to make it like humans are intrinsically good, but they're not. Doesn't matter if we're talking about Christians, Muslims, Atheists, etc.

I mean Stalin once said, "You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...all this talk about God is sheer nonsense"...now I wouldn't judge all atheists based on Stalin's history.

There's some animalistic herding instinct in them that they have to form a group, be part of the group, and hate anyone that's not in said group. For the most part you'll find this in any place that people congregate into one area.

The herd mentality is the problem and I don't think it will ever be overcome. We have a rather bloody world history that is basically written on the topic of "them vs. us"

Hog Trash
01-02-2009, 04:18 PM
There's some animalistic herding instinct in them that they have to form a group, be part of the group, and hate anyone that's not in said group. For the most part you'll find this in any place that people congregate into one area.

The herd mentality is the problem and I don't think it will ever be overcome. We have a rather bloody world history that is basically written on the topic of "them vs. us"The human animal is actually more of a pack animal rather than a herding species. Much like dogs, wolves or hyennas.

We seek the company, comfort, cooperation and safety of numbers, but we are not above preying on the weak among us.

There's good news though....We are getting better....We'll get there someday if we last long enough. :thumbsup:

Mr. Blue
01-02-2009, 05:12 PM
The human animal is actually more of a pack animal rather than a herding species. Much like dogs, wolves or hyennas.

We seek the company, comfort, cooperation and safety of numbers, but we are not above preying on the weak among us.

There's good news though....We are getting better....We'll get there someday if we last long enough. :thumbsup:

lol, pack animals...okay I agree with that. Are we getting better? I suppose we've gotten a bit better, but if you look at world history there are periods of calm and "civilization" that suddenly explodes in violence again.

Moby
01-02-2009, 05:22 PM
Dis, do you think this guy did it because he was a Christian or do you think he did it because he was fucking nuts?

Personally I think his idea of Christianity was warped, disturbed and no different then anyone that thinks God would actually want us fighting a religious war. They're all fucking nuts.

This guy just happened to spend time in a Christian Church. Or maybe not.

luciano
01-03-2009, 12:54 PM
Dis, do you think this guy did it because he was a Christian or do you think he did it because he was fucking nuts?

Personally I think his idea of Christianity was warped, disturbed and no different then anyone that thinks God would actually want us fighting a religious war. They're all fucking nuts.

This guy just happened to spend time in a Christian Church. Or maybe not.


Exactly, the guy was obviously completely bat-shit crazy. Religion+Insane=Bad things

Smurf-Herder
01-03-2009, 02:17 PM
Disrupter ........

By the same logic you show here, we should lump ALL environmentalists into the Unabomber category. Which I personally don't believe. There are a diverse range of individuals in any and all beliefs and causes. As diverse as humanity itself.

disrupter
01-06-2009, 11:15 AM
Organized, Socially accepted Religion [or ideology] acts as a shield for a large number of psychos, enabling collective psychosis,

and often subverts our national interests for their unnecessarily violent aggressive agenda(s).

Why has painting Muslims as 'terrorists' been so much more successful than painting domestic 'militia groups' as 'terrorists'? Why did one lodge in our consciousness & not the other?

Blind Religious Bigotry.

Cockroaches of religion need the light of critical thinking shined on them so they can clearly be seen for what they are,
not always evil but very rarely noble.

Organized Religion mostly takes vile selfish impulses & gives them a pretense of nobility.*

And with psychos this is wildly dangerous.

Imagine if people had seen this guy as simply mentally disturbed rather than dismissed him as 'merely' a religious zealot. They might have suggested he get help. Instead he was considered not that far from 'normal'.

Religion acts as a cover for mental disease,
as any ideology can,

And because we collectively, blindly accept religion,
it becomes a much bigger reservoir of mental illness & therefore arguably more dangerous.

*Vile, Criminal Capitalism does a similar thing pretending it is some kind of virtuous 'mission', instead of the well heeled criminal dirt it is.

Binky
01-06-2009, 11:54 AM
Religion in itself isn't a bad thing. It's when the groups, so to speak, filled with individuals who are bound and determined to undermine how others think and believe, that the problem rears its ugly head. These "groups" are filled with religious fanatics and some of these fanatics take it to the ultimate step and do something evil. They are always ready to impose their beliefs on others but don't tolerate anyone elses beliefs. Doesn't matter which religious group because they each believe theirs is the true belief and the only one that matters.

disrupter
01-06-2009, 12:09 PM
It is equally true of any radically imposed ideology as well.

We are inherently psychologically & capably imperfect.

Religion is good when it is a temporary bandage for the personal wounds we incur in a brutal domain until we heal.

Religion is good if it reasonably curbs our vicious, wicked, baseless psychological assaults on one another, but often it conversely becomes a rational for collective, baseless psychological assaults on outsiders [groups].

you have as much 'right' to exist as any God, let alone another human being,
because everyone & thing has zero rights,
all people really have is spin & bullshit that they use as bludgeons against one another.

Autonomous psychology is ideal & healthy IMO.
In reality anything not profoundly flawed will do, as long as we are reasonably civil.

But if we don't do the work to inflict deserved shame & perhaps punitive criminality on those who have violated honesty & trust, how can we claim to be anything more than primitive small-minded animals?

Religion should not work as a pretense of nobility for small-minded petty animals,
or for profoundly sick & disturbed people,
that is logically absurd.

mild religion is a disease, like the common cold, we can live around as long as you don't spread it to others.

Hog Trash
01-06-2009, 01:04 PM
It is equally true of any radically imposed ideology as well.

We are inherently psychologically & capably imperfect.

Religion is good when it is a temporary bandage for the personal wounds we incur in a brutal domain until we heal.

Religion is good if it reasonably curbs our vicious, wicked, baseless psychological assaults on one another, but often it conversely becomes a rational for collective, baseless psychological assaults on outsiders [groups].

you have as much 'right' to exist as any God, let alone another human being,
because everyone & thing has zero rights,
all people really have is spin & bullshit that they use as bludgeons against one another.

Autonomous psychology is ideal & healthy IMO.
In reality anything not profoundly flawed will do, as long as we are reasonably civil.

But if we don't do the work to inflict deserved shame & perhaps punitive criminality on those who have violated honesty & trust, how can we claim to be anything more than primitive small-minded animals?

Religion should not work as a pretense of nobility for small-minded petty animals,
or for profoundly sick & disturbed people,
that is logically absurd.

mild religion is a disease, like the common cold, we can live around as long as you don't spread it to others.You really got it in for religion disrupter. You must of had a bad spiritual experience.

Did a inconsiderate fag priest corn-hole you without giving you a reach around or something?

Smurf-Herder
01-06-2009, 07:37 PM
You really got it in for religion disrupter. You must of had a bad spiritual experience.

Did a inconsiderate fag priest corn-hole you without giving you a reach around or something?

Disrupter needs to "exorcise his demons" ;)