George Soro's move to take power from the NRA

[SeedyROM]

Does Soro's want to take guns off the streets to end gun violence or to take power away from the people of the USA? Soro's wants to remove guns from the streets to further the spread of Socialism in the USA. Both parties have been infected with the agenda from socialists hellbent on meddling directly and indirectly in our politics.

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Now, arch-reformer Soros is pouring perhaps as much as $30-million of his own money into left-wing "progressive" organizations he believes are uniquely inoculated against the restrictions of the very law Soros bought and paid for –restrictions like the ban on Broadcast political advertising.

When the U.S. Senate debated the so-called campaign finance reform bill, March 19, 2001, U.S. Sen. Susan M. Collins (R-Maine) said of The Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2001 (BCRA), "First and foremost, the bill closes the most glaring loophole in our campaign finance laws by banning the unlimited, unregulated contributions known as ‘soft money.’ Second, the bill regulates and limits the campaign advertisements masquerading as issue ads that corporations and labor organizations often run in the weeks leading up to an election. And third, the bill prohibits foreign nationals from contributing soft money in connection with federal, state, or local elections."

That oppressive law, which NRA opposed in Congress, and fought all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, bans any broadcast "issue advocacy" advertising paid for by independent organizations like NRA or by unions if the ads "refer to" a candidate for Federal office and can be seen or heard by people who are eligible to vote for that candidate. The ban takes effect 30 day before a primary and 60 days before the general election. And the ban has criminal penalties attached. Under rules adopted by the FEC, an ad that even refers to a candidate by generic title, such as "the President," is prohibited. An ad where the viewer can guess the subject of the ad is also prohibited.

U.S. Sen. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.) voiced the "reformers" definition of the evil term "soft money" during the floor debate, saying, "Money that threatens to drown out the voice of the average voter of average means; money that creates the appearance that a wealthy few have a disproportionate say over public policy…"

Bingo.

But in terms of the public policy of so-called campaign finance reform, Dodd’s words couldn’t have been truer. Without Soros spending at least $18 million to fund an army of the slickest "public interest" D.C. lobbyists and PR spin meisters, it is doubtful that McCain-Feingold would have become law. Soros was the hand in the sock-puppet.
Once he bought that "disproportionate say" over that public policy, Soros moved on to fund opposition to the NRA’s U.S. Supreme Court challenge to the broadcast ban, and the umbrella suit bearing the name of U.S. Sen. Mitch McConnel, which challenged most sections of BCRA on First Amendment grounds.

Having done that, Soros moved on to what may have been his real purpose. The Washington Post – in a fawning November 11, 2003 profile interview with Soros – served up his political manifesto, erasing illusions about the "soft money reform," or at least the notion of the average little guy versus the average billionaire

Does that statement meet Chris Dodd’s cry of concern? "Money that threatens to drown out the voice of the average voter of average means" is a phrase that surely describes most NRA members, who pooling individual worth could not match the fortune at Soros’ disposal.

Soros believes he is the apostle of something he calls "the open society" under which national sovereignty is subjugated to global "democracy;" a vision that includes the borderless spread of international gun control. Soros has promoted this cause with an outpouring of funds from his Open Society Institute (OSI), which he also used to fund campaign finance lobbying for the last half of the 1990’s.

The Washington Post puff piece on Soros was sparked by news that the one-world billionaire had given $5-million – the largest "soft money" contribution in American history -- to an organization called MoveOn.org. It was the first of many such massive Soros contributions to this and other similar "stealth" groups set up after enactment of McCain-Feingold.

But Soros, as an unspeakably wealthy donor, is not alone. He is an enabler, a networker, a fund-raiser sparking huge contributions from other leftist billionaires – personal friends and business associates -- like Peter B. Lewis, chairman of Progressive Corp. (insurance), and Hollywood mogul Stephen Bing. These friends have ponied up millions to fund MoveOn.org, along with other shadowy, under-the-radar political organizations. Soros -- a self-styled citizen of the world who has spent billions meddling in the internal affairs of many nations -- has been credited with wrecking national currencies and toppling governments

In other words, Soros believes he is above the law, above even the question of appearance of corruption, because, in his heart he knows he’s right. Soros indeed believes he is special -- not just in moral purity, but under the law as well.

While the long debate over campaign finance was rife with the use of the pejorative, "loophole," Soros and the handful of "progressive" political activists he funds believe they have found total immunity from the laws Soros paid so heavily to have applied to everyone else. The loophole they have sought comes not in the BCRA, but in the Federal Tax Code, which covers certain entities known as "527’s."

Since it is now against the law for national parties to receive "soft money" -- which they used in pre-McCain-Feingold days used for get-out-the-vote drives and issue advertising -- the theory is that those functions, along with the unlimited funds from big donors like Soros can be shifted to "527’s".

In essence, "527’s" claim to have immunity from sunshine reporting and all other strictures demanded by the FEC under BCRA, because they were created under the U.S. Tax code. It’s like a drunk driver saying the traffic laws don’t apply to him because anti-pollution laws in a vehicle cover him. Hiding under the "527" category are some very inbred Democratic Party operatives – all on the radical left. Their organizations have become stealth political parties – in the case of Soros’ benefaction, stealth ultra-left, anti-gun-rights political parties. George has in reality shut down the traditional functions of political parties. Campaign finance reforms have allowed a small handful of left wing radicals to hijack the key machinery of a whole segment American politics.

[Hog Trash]

George Soro is a very evil man, and because of his fortune, a very dangerous man...The world would be a better place without him.

[SeedyROM]

Soro's should be banned from entering the USA except for vacation purposes. I hope the CIA & NSA snoop in on his phone calls. The bastard manipulated the entire presidential election for his person and financial gain. An NRA solution is acceptable to me......so long as they use something with a name that ends in the caliber of CARBINE!!:thumbsup:

[Smurf-Herder]

Better not let the "SM" administrator in the Sarah Palin suit see this.

He (she or it) doesn't believe Soros is anybody important. :)

[Independent Harry]

Better not let the "SM" administrator in the Sarah Palin suit see this.

He (she or it) doesn't believe Soros is anybody important. :)

If you have two poinsonous snakes, and you ignore the one that you believe is the least poisonous, you are still a fool smurfy...

[Smurf-Herder]

If you have two poinsonous snakes, and you ignore the one that you believe is the least poisonous, you are still a fool smurfy...


Which "poisonous snake" is that?

The people who want to keep their guns?

[Independent Harry]

Which "poisonous snake" is that?

The people who want to keep their guns?

I see that metaphors are lost on you completely, neo-cons and neo-libs...they are both dangerious to society, yet you dismiss one because of your partisanship

[Smurf-Herder]

I see that metaphors are lost on you completely, neo-cons and neo-libs...they are both dangerious to society, yet you dismiss one because of your partisanship

No, I'm specifically referring here to the NRA, as a pro-gun organization.

I'm not partisan. I have no love for what I refer to as the "Republican Elite", and you guys call neo-cons.

[Moby]

He (she or it) doesn't believe Soros is anybody important. :)
Now here's how you bastardise and twist things. I've never stated that Soros should be ignored, protected, considered a good guy or doesn't have any influence over politics.

I have stated that I don't think he comes any where close to the influence that Murdoch, Mays and Moon have over American politics and so far no one has come close to pointing to anything about Soros that shows that he has the media reach and connection that the above 3 have.

Move On is no where close to Murdoch's media power or the radio pundits controlled by Mays. Comparing Soros to Murdoch is like comparing the Hungarian military to the USA military.

If you there is some evidence that Soros controls media that reaches 10s of millions of people a day then post it.

[Smurf-Herder]

Now here's how you bastardise and twist things. I've never stated that Soros should be ignored, protected, considered a good guy or doesn't have any influence over politics.

I have stated that I don't think he comes any where close to the influence that Murdoch, Mays and Moon have over American politics and so far no one has come close to pointing to anything about Soros that shows that he has the media reach and connection that the above 3 have.

Move On is no where close to Murdoch's media power or the radio pundits controlled by Mays. Comparing Soros to Murdoch is like comparing the Hungarian military to the USA military.

If you there is some evidence that Soros controls media that reaches 10s of millions of people a day then post it.

You put all your focus on the media who report the news, but completely belittle the actual political organizations that are the actual poeople doing things. There's a real disconnect there.

[Hog Trash]

I have stated that I don't think he comes any where close to the influence that Murdoch, Mays and Moon have over American politics and so far no one has come close to pointing to anything about Soros that shows that he has the media reach and connection that the above 3 have.
Yes, you most certaily have stated this at least more than a couple hundred thousand million times. :banghead: You put all your focus on the media who report the news, but completely belittle the actual political organizations that are the actual poeople doing things. There's a real disconnect there.Ain't that the truth!

Moby's pretty much a one-issue, 'dog and pony' show. He's been spoon fed this shit till it's comin out his ears.

[Moby]

You put all your focus on the media who report the news, but completely belittle the actual political organizations that are the actual poeople doing things. There's a real disconnect there.
There's a think tank that was created by William Kristol in 1997. Some of the members of the Think Tank are:

The Vice President
The President's brother
The Secretary of Defense (for 4 years)
The last Republican Vice President (who happens to be the President's father's VP)
The Deputy Secretary of Defense

And that's just a few of the members in the think tank. Almost all of the members took on advisory roles of some sort in the current administration.

If you have evidence that anything like this exists any where else in the free world created by anyone else then please show us. Otherwise just look at the facts and stop trying to ignore the real world.

Just because you believe something doesn't make it real outside of your mind.

[Moby]

Moby's pretty much a one-issue, 'dog and pony' show. He's been spoon fed this shit till it's comin out his ears.
So can you show any facts at all or are you just a little drunken mouse in Smurf's pocket?

[Smurf-Herder]

There's a think tank that was created by William Kristol in 1997. Some of the members of the Think Tank are:

The Vice President
The President's brother
The Secretary of Defense (for 4 years)
The last Republican Vice President (who happens to be the President's father's VP)
The Deputy Secretary of Defense

And that's just a few of the members in the think tank. Almost all of the members took on advisory roles of some sort in the current administration.

If you have evidence that anything like this exists any where else in the free world created by anyone else then please show us. Otherwise just look at the facts and stop trying to ignore the real world.

Just because you believe something doesn't make it real outside of your mind.


Get over it, already.

They're no longer in power as of Jan 21st.

[Smurf-Herder]

Yes, you most certaily have stated this at least more than a couple hundred thousand million times. :banghead: Ain't that the truth!

Moby's pretty much a one-issue, 'dog and pony' show. He's been spoon fed this shit till it's comin out his ears.


HT, I'm getting the feeling there's something deeper going on here. Beyond simply individuals with their own misguided political opinions.

I'll elaborate more as I see things develop and evolve after the inauguration.

[Hog Trash]

There's a think tank that was created by William Kristol in 1997. Some of the members of the Think Tank are:

The Vice President
The President's brother
The Secretary of Defense (for 4 years)
The last Republican Vice President (who happens to be the President's father's VP)
The Deputy Secretary of Defense

And that's just a few of the members in the think tank. Almost all of the members took on advisory roles of some sort in the current administration.

If you have evidence that anything like this exists any where else in the free world created by anyone else then please show us. Otherwise just look at the facts and stop trying to ignore the real world.

Just because you believe something doesn't make it real outside of your mind.Every issue in the world has some sort of "Think Tank" associated with it, einstein.

You hate the people involved and would see evil in anything they do.

Your hatred has made you irrational and your opinions questionable.So can you show any facts at all or are you just a little drunken mouse in Smurf's pocket?I no longer provide you with facts, remember?...You recognize only left-wing propaganda.

You're the only mouse, Smurf needs in his pocket to make an ass out of you, SirMoby.

[Independent Harry]

HT, I'm getting the feeling there's something deeper going on here. Beyond simply individuals with their own misguided political opinions.

I'll elaborate more as I see things develop and evolve after the inauguration.

yup, its all a conspiracy, in your weed encrusted mind we are all actually agents of Obama, lol...retard..

[Moby]

Every issue in the world has some sort of "Think Tank" associated with it, einstein.

You hate the people involved and would see evil in anything they do.

Your hatred has made you irrational and your opinions questionable.I no longer provide you with facts, remember?...You recognize only left-wing propaganda.

You're the only mouse, Smurf needs in his pocket to make an ass out of you, SirMoby.
You never posted any facts to show that any think tank has had this much power over a presidency or the media. Never. Not a one. Once you post it it's here and it's recorded. If you've done it already then why can't anyone see it? Is it invisible with no supporting evidence other than what you feel like all of your insane conspiracies?

Come on Einstein. If you've shown facts there is a record of them.

These opinions can be seen. What me to show you again? Unlike your intuition and insane conspiracy theories, I've been able to show the trail and the connections.

What have you done?

[Moby]

Get over it, already.

They're no longer in power as of Jan 21st.
Now you just stated

You put all your focus on the media who report the news, but completely belittle the actual political organizations that are the actual poeople doing things. There's a real disconnect there..
So I'm pointing out, again, the political organizations that are the actual people doing things and you try to deflect again. There they are right in front of you again. This isn't some small under funded organization. This is a very powerful organization that has very strong ties not only to the media but to the people that actually do things.

Those things haven't been good for American as we can see the results and the media that you listen to hasn't been good for America either because they've been the cover.

Get it? Here is both that you claim I ignore yet they're right here in front of you again.

How many times will you deflect and skirt the issue?

Smurf, HAWG has no choice but to accept whatever reality is created for him. He's way too far gone to do anything else. You still research things and have the ability to think and form conclusions based on facts. You just don't seem to like the facts.

[Hog Trash]

Come on Einstein. If you've shown facts there is a record of them.

Nigga Pleez!.....You're not ensinuating that you're smarter than Hog are you?...LOL!

You're a liberal for christ sake! Please, try not to forget your place in the mental pecking order.

And why do you keep asking for "facts"? You know you don't except any facts that are not liberal based.

I have informed you countless times that I will no longer waste my time showing you what you refuse to see.

[Smurf-Herder]

Now you just stated

So I'm pointing out, again, the political organizations that are the actual people doing things and you try to deflect again. There they are right in front of you again. This isn't some small under funded organization. This is a very powerful organization that has very strong ties not only to the media but to the people that actually do things.

Those things haven't been good for American as we can see the results and the media that you listen to hasn't been good for America either because they've been the cover.

Get it? Here is both that you claim I ignore yet they're right here in front of you again.

How many times will you deflect and skirt the issue?

Smurf, HAWG has no choice but to accept whatever reality is created for him. He's way too far gone to do anything else. You still research things and have the ability to think and form conclusions based on facts. You just don't seem to like the facts.


Frankly Sir, with the Sarah Palin avatar, I'm starting to think you're incapable or rational objective thought.

Nothing but a "Troll Administrator".

[Independent Harry]

Frankly Sir, with the Sarah Palin avatar, I'm starting to think you're incapable or rational objective thought.

Nothing but a "Troll Administrator".

Deflection...seems like thats all you can do lately...

[Smurf-Herder]

Deflection...seems like thats all you can do lately...

I don't waste my time with someone who can't grasp the point.

[Independent Harry]

I don't waste my time with someone who can't grasp the point.

He grasped your point fine, you're the one that can't seem to do anything but deflect.

[Moby]

I don't waste my time with someone who can't grasp the point.
Or bother dealing with the actual facts when you can just deflect.

Seriously, why not stop attacking me and go through and find a single source where Soros has done anything that actually compares with Murdoch or Mays?

I don't mean just a list of donations but something actually focused like what's been shown to you. I'm very open to it if I can see it.

[Hog Trash]

Or bother dealing with the actual facts when you can just deflect.

Seriously, why not stop attacking me and go through and find a single source where Soros has done anything that actually compares with Murdoch or Mays?

I don't mean just a list of donations but something actually focused like what's been shown to you. I'm very open to it if I can see it.

"Murdoch-Moon-Mays"

"Murdoch-Moon-Mays"

"Murdoch-Moon-Mays"

Could somebody please bump the turn-table! :banghead:

[Moby]

"Murdoch-Moon-Mays"

"Murdoch-Moon-Mays"

"Murdoch-Moon-Mays"

Could somebody please bump the turn-table! :banghead:
So you can't in any way discuss the issue on an intellectual level. That's all I needed to know.

[Hog Trash]

So you can't in any way discuss the issue on an intellectual level. That's all I needed to know.If you ever had an issue I could, and even might consider it. Deprogramming would make you more bearable.

But you are so blind to any information that does not come from a biased liberal source, you are considered a waste of time.

[Smurf-Herder]

Or bother dealing with the actual facts when you can just deflect.

Seriously, why not stop attacking me and go through and find a single source where Soros has done anything that actually compares with Murdoch or Mays?

I don't mean just a list of donations but something actually focused like what's been shown to you. I'm very open to it if I can see it.


Bullshit! You don't want to see it.

You can't get it through your head the actual people in the stories being reported, or that any media is liberaly biased. And where the money comes from.

[Moby]

Bullshit! You don't want to see it.

You can't get it through your head the actual people in the stories being reported, or that any media is liberaly biased. And where the money comes from.
You made the claim that Soros controls the media that I watch. I gave you a list of places I use for news and you couldn't make any connection between those sources and Soros or any large influential liberal organization. Not in any way shape or form.

If you can then please do it.

Here's the list again.

Reuters
Wall Street Journal
Washington Post
Associated Press
BBC
Yahoo
Google

The first 5 are my main sources of information. The bottom two aggregate stuff. There's other place I read but I don't think Soros is that heavily involved or has control over of them.

If there's a major news source that he controls or created then I'll make sure to keep it off my list. Please point at least one out. If his influence is anything like some others I'd make sure to avoid it or at least never take any of those sources seriously in any way shape or form.

[Smurf-Herder]

You made the claim that Soros controls the media that I watch. I gave you a list of places I use for news and you couldn't make any connection between those sources and Soros or any large influential liberal organization. Not in any way shape or form.

If you can then please do it.

Here's the list again.

Reuters
Wall Street Journal
Washington Post
Associated Press
BBC
Yahoo
Google

The first 5 are my main sources of information. The bottom two aggregate stuff. There's other place I read but I don't think Soros is that heavily involved or has control over of them.

If there's a major news source that he controls or created then I'll make sure to keep it off my list. Please point at least one out. If his influence is anything like some others I'd make sure to avoid it or at least never take any of those sources seriously in any way shape or form.

You're dumbing down the argument, by saying controlling, creating, funding and organizing political groups, that have a huge influence in many areas means nothing, if you don't control the media.

People who know Soros know he's the man behind the curtain in a lot of ways. There's no point in talking to you about this .......... even after I had posted months ago on how Obama got his start because Soros wanted him, when he first ran for Senate.

[Smurf-Herder]

Reuters
Wall Street Journal
Washington Post
Associated Press
BBC
Yahoo
Google



Didn't you put down the Wall Street Journal once as a neocon rag?


BTW, isn't your concentrating on me a deflection of your own; considering this thread was started by Seedy, with a lot of info?

[SeedyROM]

Now here's how you bastardise and twist things. I've never stated that Soros should be ignored, protected, considered a good guy or doesn't have any influence over politics.

I have stated that I don't think he comes any where close to the influence that Murdoch, Mays and Moon have over American politics and so far no one has come close to pointing to anything about Soros that shows that he has the media reach and connection that the above 3 have.

Move On is no where close to Murdoch's media power or the radio pundits controlled by Mays. Comparing Soros to Murdoch is like comparing the Hungarian military to the USA military.

If you there is some evidence that Soros controls media that reaches 10s of millions of people a day then post it.

Wrong, MoveOn.org has grown in strenght since we exposed thier fake political polls written with lies and halftruths and sent to DC. MoveON and other organizations came together to beat the republicans. Sure MO is smaller than Foxnews. But you seem to forget Fox also has many liberal reporters and I think one or two liberal talk shows in addition to Alan Colmes.
You'd be surpised at how many media outlets cater to men like Soro's. The list Smurfy posted in another thread is extensive. He's no small player.

[Moby]

Didn't you put down the Wall Street Journal once as a neocon rag?


BTW, isn't your concentrating on me a deflection of your own; considering this thread was started by Seedy, with a lot of info?
You mentioned my name in an earlier post in this thread. Don't you remember? I'm simply trying to see if you can defend your remarks. I guess you can't.

The Wall Street Journal was purchased by the man that is funding huge amounts of the Neoconservative movement and unlike The Boogieman "Soros" we can actually make direct ties to his involvement in politics and the media. We don't have to speculate and argue because there are facts to support it.

[Moby]

Wrong, MoveOn.org has grown in strenght since we exposed thier fake political polls written with lies and halftruths and sent to DC. MoveON and other organizations came together to beat the republicans.
:lmao2: Seedy, now you've really gone off the deep end into conspiracy land.

Check the stats for MoveOn.org and then get back to reality. OK? It's web site. I don't know that have a television network outlet. I don't know that they control numerous radio outlets. I don't know if they own any major news papers.

I do know that based on web traffic stats they're not a player. Get off the invisible conspiracy theories and look at real data.

Did you ever think that just looking at facts and figures was enough for the republicans to lose without a conspiracy? Jobs, health, life expectancy, debt, budget deficits, inflation, health care costs, jobs, median income, wealth .... all went negative under republican control. That's why they lost.

If you don't believe me then please make up a list of a some things that improved for the average America citizen from January, 2001 until today. Would you like a list of improvements from January, 1993 until January, 2001?

Just because your team didn't win doesn't mean they deserved to win.

[SeedyROM]

:lmao2: Seedy, now you've really gone off the deep end into conspiracy land.

Check the stats for MoveOn.org and then get back to reality. OK? It's web site. I don't know that have a television network outlet. I don't know that they control numerous radio outlets. I don't know if they own any major news papers.

I do know that based on web traffic stats they're not a player. Get off the invisible conspiracy theories and look at real data.

Did you ever think that just looking at facts and figures was enough for the republicans to lose without a conspiracy? Jobs, health, life expectancy, debt, budget deficits, inflation, health care costs, jobs, median income, wealth .... all went negative under republican control. That's why they lost.

If you don't believe me then please make up a list of a some things that improved for the average America citizen from January, 2001 until today. Would you like a list of improvements from January, 1993 until January, 2001?

Just because your team didn't win doesn't mean they deserved to win.

I have no team!! Being Indendant works best! So I made the right vote it doesn't mean I lean to the right now does it. 2votes for Clinton erase one vote for the right now doesn't it?

Moveon.org has grown, I'm not making a comparison to a tv network, but this group of far left loones is a problem for the country and at times they'll be a problem for Obama. The far left actually expects something in return for thier support and money raised. Obama owes them a thank you, nothing more, but if he disagrees then he's doing what he feels is best for the country. The loones will have to get used to being brushed aside.