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Moby
12-01-2008, 02:41 PM
Thoughts?

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/12/01/obama-announces-national-security-team/
President-elect Barack Obama is choosing loyal friends and one-time foes to guide his wartime foreign policy decisions. Here, the full text of the news release.

CHICAGO – President-elect Barack Obama and Vice President-elect Joe Biden officially announced key members of their national security team today: nominating Senator Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State, selecting Defense Secretary Robert Gates to remain as Secretary of Defense, nominating Eric Holder as Attorney General, nominating Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano as Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, nominating Susan Rice as Ambassador to the United Nations and selecting General Jim Jones, USMC (Ret) as National Security Adviser.

“In this uncertain world, the time has come for a new beginning – a new dawn of American leadership to overcome the challenges of the 21st century, and to seize the opportunities embedded in those challenges. To succeed, we must pursue a new strategy that skillfully uses, balances, and integrates all elements of American power: our military and diplomacy; our intelligence and law enforcement; our economy and the power of our moral example. The team that we have assembled here today is uniquely suited to do just that. They share my pragmatism about the use of power, and my sense of purpose about America’s role as a leader in the world,” said President-elect Obama.

“It is an honor to be a part of this team, led by the President Elect – a team that will see to it that America can lead the world not only by the example of our power, but also by the power of our example. I believe we have assembled a national security team that is poised to recapture the totality of America’s strength,” said Vice President-elect Biden.

The national security team members announced today are listed below:

Senator Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State

Over nearly four decades in public service, as an attorney, First Lady, Senator, and presidential candidate, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has become one of the nation’s foremost champions for children and families and advocates for women’s rights and human rights. During the Clinton Administration, she transformed the role of First Lady, fighting for universal health care and helping to lead successful bipartisan efforts to improve the adoption and foster care systems, reduce teen pregnancy, and provide health care to millions of children through the Children’s Health Insurance Program. As a representative of the United States, she championed American interests as well as the rights of women and girls in more than eighty countries around the world. In November 2000, Senator Clinton became the first First Lady elected to public office and the first woman elected independently in New York State; she has since won reelection. In the Senate, she has continued to advocate for equal access to health care, education, and economic opportunity for women and girls around the world. As a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Senator Clinton has fought for and secured in law improved health care for members of the National Guard and Reserves and worked to bring our troops home safely and responsibly from Iraq. She also serves as the only Senate member of the Transformation Advisory Group to the Joint Forces Command, working to modernize our military. And Senator Clinton has continued to fight for quality, affordable health care for every American, working to strengthen the Children’s Health Insurance Program and expand the use of health information technology. Most recently, as a groundbreaking candidate for President of the United States, Senator Clinton became the first woman ever to win a presidential primary, receiving more than 18 million votes as an advocate for working families and a voice for millions of Americans who have felt invisible to their government.

Secretary Robert Gates, Secretary of Defense

Dr. Robert M. Gates was sworn in on December 18, 2006, as the 22nd Secretary of Defense. Before entering his present post, Secretary Gates was the President of Texas A&M University, the nation’s seventh largest university. Prior to assuming the presidency of Texas A&M on August 1, 2002, he served as Interim Dean of the George Bush School of Government and Public Service at Texas A&M from 1999 to 2001. Secretary Gates served as Director of Central Intelligence from 1991 until 1993. Secretary Gates is the only career officer in CIA’s history to rise from entry-level employee to Director. He served as Deputy Director of Central Intelligence from 1986 until 1989 and as Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Adviser at the White House from January 20, 1989, until November 6, 1991, for President George H.W. Bush. Secretary Gates has been awarded the National Security Medal, the Presidential Citizens Medal, has twice received the National Intelligence Distinguished Service Medal, and has three times received CIA’s highest award, the Distinguished Intelligence Medal. Secretary Gates received his bachelor’s degree from the College of William and Mary, his master’s degree in history from Indiana University, and his doctorate in Russian and Soviet history from Georgetown University.

Eric Holder, Attorney General

Mr. Holder is a litigation partner at Covington & Burling LLP in Washington, DC. During his professional career, Mr. Holder has held a number of significant positions in government. Upon graduating from Columbia Law School, he moved to Washington, DC and joined the Department of Justice as part of the Attorney General’s Honors Program. In 1988, Mr. Holder was nominated by President Reagan to become an Associate Judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia. He was confirmed by the Senate and his investiture occurred in October of that year. Over the next five years, Judge Holder presided over hundreds of civil and criminal trials and matters. In 1993, President Clinton nominated Mr. Holder to become the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia. He was confirmed later that year and served as the head of the largest United States Attorneys office in the nation for nearly four years. In 1997, President Clinton appointed Mr. Holder to serve as Deputy Attorney General, the number two position in the United States Department of Justice. He became the first African-American to serve as Deputy Attorney General. Mr. Holder briefly served under President Bush as Acting Attorney General pending the confirmation of Attorney General John Ashcroft. Mr. Holder attended Columbia College, majored in American History, and graduated in 1973. Mr. Holder then attended Columbia Law School from which he graduated in 1976. While in law school, he clerked at the N.A.A.C.P. Legal Defense Fund and the Department of Justice’s Criminal Division.

Governor Janet Napolitano, Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security

Named one of America’s Top Five Governors by Time magazine and one of America’s top women leaders by Newsweek, Janet Napolitano stands out as a leader in developing innovative solutions to some of our country’s greatest challenges. As Governor of Arizona, she’s fought for quality schools, affordable healthcare, sensible economic development, a safe homeland, a secure border, and a government that is run efficiently and responsibly. She led the successful effort to create a new grade level in public school by offering voluntary full day kindergarten to every Arizona family. She raised teacher pay, expanded access to health insurance, and saved seniors millions on prescription drugs. Her homeland security background is extensive: as U.S. Attorney for Arizona, Napolitano led the Arizona portion of the domestic terrorism investigation into the Oklahoma City bombing; as Attorney General, she helped write the law to break up human smuggling rings; and as Governor, she implemented the first state homeland security strategy in the nation and opened the first state counter-terrorism center. She is a leader in coordinating federal, state, local and bi-national homeland security efforts, having presided over large-scale disaster preparedness exercises to ensure well-crafted and functional emergency plans. Napolitano was the first governor to call for the National Guard to assist at the U.S. - Mexico border at federal expense, and is a leading national voice for comprehensive immigration reform. The past chair of the National Governors Association- the first woman in history to hold this position- Janet Napolitano was re-elected in 2006 in a landslide victory as Arizona’s 21st Governor. Prior to her election as Governor of Arizona, Napolitano served one term as Arizona Attorney General and four years as U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona.

Susan Rice, Ambassador to the United Nations

Dr. Susan E. Rice served most recently as a Senior Foreign Policy Advisor to the Obama for America campaign while on leave from the Brookings Institution where she is a Senior Fellow in the Foreign Policy and Global Economy and Development Programs. Rice currently serves on the Obama-Biden Transition Project Advisory Board. From 1997-2001, she was U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs. Prior to that, Rice served in the White House at the National Security Council as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs and as Director for International Organizations and Peacekeeping. Rice was previously a management consultant at McKinsey and Company. She received her B.A. in History with Honors from Stanford University and her M.Phil. and D.Phil. (Ph.D.) degrees in International Relations from Oxford University, where she was a Rhodes Scholar.

General Jim Jones, USMC (Ret), National Security Advisor

General Jim Jones, USMC (Ret) is president and chief executive officer of the U.S. Chamber Institute for 21st Century Energy. From July 1999 to January 2003, Jones was the 32nd Commandant of the Marine Corps. After relinquishing command as Commandant, he assumed the positions of Supreme Allied Commander, Europe (SACEUR) and Commander of the United States European Command (COMUSEUCOM), positions he held until December 2006. During this final assignment, he encouraged the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to regard global energy as a security issue and advocated that the alliance consider the defense of critical infrastructures as a 21st century collective security mission. Jones retired from active duty in the U.S. Marine Corps February 1, 2007, after more than 40 years of service. In addition to having been awarded national and international military awards, Jones received a bachelor of science degree (1966) and an Honorary Doctorate of Letters (2002) from Georgetown University. In June 1985, he graduated from the National War College in Washington, D.C.

SeniorChief
12-01-2008, 03:27 PM
Thoughts on Gates.

Invented the Surge.

Obama - Opposed the Surge and wanted withdrawl/surrender.

Why the change of heart? Perhaps REALITY sunk in.

asroc
12-01-2008, 03:43 PM
Gates invented the surge, huh?

News to me.

bairdi
12-01-2008, 03:45 PM
Gates invented the surge, huh?

News to me.
And withdrawal is surrender? That's news to me too.

SeedyROM
12-01-2008, 08:17 PM
Hillary and Napolitano have no foreign policy experience, so they fit the BO theme of no experience required. Actually Hillary will do okay so long as she follows the advice from advisors. The real question is, will Hillary always work for the President and serve only his interests or is she in business for herself???

Eric Holder released/pardoned terrorists from prison, so his ideals are in line with BO's former terrorist friendly ideals. We can trust terrorists so long as enough time has past, not!! Holder is one to watch, he may be soft on business crimes inluding democrats responsible for the housing crisis as well Holder maybe soft on Fannie Mae and Freedie Mac executives. Both companies have executives who are guilty of plenty of crimes. Somehow I doubt they'll be prosecuted as harshly as needed to prevent more financial crimes.

Smurf-Herder
12-01-2008, 11:39 PM
Gates invented the surge, huh?

News to me.

The Surge (pretty much exactly how it played out) was one of a number of recommendations in the final report of the Iraq Study Group, before anybody thought of Rumsfeld resigning and being replaced by Gates.

Mr. Blue
12-01-2008, 11:46 PM
It's certainly an interest mix. Gates really was kind of a surprise, but not really. I thought Obama would have to change his foreign policy stance once he got into office and I think this is the first step in that direction.

Smurf-Herder
12-01-2008, 11:53 PM
He's picking people that have the ability to perform well in their jobs.

Bill Clinton can be an asset, or a liability. We'll have to see.

The real test will be, when the rubber hits the road, if he takes charge of all those egos; and if he ends up making the right decisions, takes their experienced advice, if their advice is good, etc.

We still have to see how this crew works together.

SeniorChief
12-02-2008, 07:32 AM
Gates invented the surge, huh?

News to me.

Yep.

You're welcome.

Frankg
12-02-2008, 07:47 PM
Barack Hussein Obama Nominates Osama Bin Laden Bungler to UN Post
Yid With Lid (http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2008/11/obamas-un-disaster-susan-rice-woman-who.html) reported that Susan Rice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_E._Rice) is one those responsible for letting Osama Bin Laden get away (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/7/29/132456.shtml) in the 1990's.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/STNidxWrgeI/AAAAAAAAXOQ/XHM5ccIsTMA/s320/susan+rice.JPG (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/STNidxWrgeI/AAAAAAAAXOQ/XHM5ccIsTMA/s1600-h/susan+rice.JPG)
Susan Rice in Sudan. Rice bungled a deal with Sudan to capture terrorist mastermind Osama Bin Laden. (Sudan Net (http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fs earch%2Fimages%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3Dsusan%2520rice%26fr2%3Dtab-web%26fr%3Dyfp-t-501&w=512&h=369&imgurl=www.sudan.net%2Fgraphic%2Fnews%2Fpeople%2Fs usan_rice_rumbek_visit.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sudan.net%2Fgraphic%2Fnews%2 Fpeople%3FC%3DS%3BO%3DD&size=27.3kB&name=susan_rice_rumbek_visit.jpg&p=susan+rice&type=JPG&oid=8eafd5921c4645c2&no=11&tt=2,956&sigr=11g0bht3f&sigi=11tn6ob00&sigb=12ttrdagb))

On Monday, Barack Hussein Obama is expected to announce that he has chosen the same Susan Rice as his UN Ambassador and that the position will be elevated to a Cabinet Level job.

Here's more on the country's next UN Ambassador:

She deserves a hefty portion of blame for the fact that Osama bin Laden wasn't neutralized during the 1990s.

"The FBI, in 1996 and 1997, had their efforts to look at terrorism data and deal with the bin Laden issue overruled every single time by the State Department, by Susan Rice and her cronies, who were hell-bent on destroying the Sudan," one-time Clinton diplomatic troubleshooter Mansoor Ijaz told radio host Sean Hannity in 2002.

Richard Miniter, author of the book "Losing bin Laden," concurred, saying Rice played a key role in scuttling the deal that could have prevented the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington.

In November 2003, Miniter told World Magazine that while Sudan was anxious to turn bin Laden over to the U.S., Rice - then a member of Clinton's National Security Council - questioned Khartoum's credibility.

"Rice [cited] the suffering of Christians [in Sudan] as one reason that she doubted the integrity of the Sudanese offers," said Miniter. "But her analysis largely overlooked the view of U.S. Ambassador to Sudan Tim Carney, who argued for calling Khartoum's bluff."



http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/

Frankg
12-02-2008, 07:53 PM
U.N.-Ambassador-Designate Susan Rice's Greatest Hits
President-Elect Barack Hussein Obama is expected to name Susan Rice to be the next U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations.

Some of her greatest hits...


From April 1994 (http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTg5NjkxNzkwZWRjNWEzMzY0YTZkYjhlM2FiMzM0YTM=):A t an interagency teleconference in late April, Susan Rice, a rising star on the NSC who worked under Richard Clarke, stunned a few of the officials present when she asked, "If we use the word 'genocide' and are seen as doing nothing, what will be the effect on the November [congressional] election?" Lieutenant Colonel Tony Marley remembers the incredulity of his colleagues at the State Department. "We could believe that people would wonder that," he says, "but not that they would actually voice it." Rice does not recall the incident but concedes, "If I said it, it was completely inappropriate, as well as irrelevant."


A smear piece, Obama's defenders will likely claim. A biased correspondent.

The author of that piece? Samantha Power, a former foreign policy adviser to the Obama campaign.

On February 28 of this year, she insisted (http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGRjMGQyMjgxOGExODM5MzUwNmJmNWQzYjdlOGVlM2I=) "there had been no contact" between Obama advisor Austan Goolsbee and representatives of the Canadian government. There in fact had been a meeting (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/us/politics/04nafta.html).

On March 6, Rice said (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/mccain-camp-i-a.html) of Obama and Hillary Clinton, "they're both not ready to have that 3 am phone call."


On May 12, she told (http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTcxMzc1Y2RiN2Q3MzRjZDUyMmZjZmZiODMwMGE3MWY=) the New York Times that Obama had not pledged to meet unconditionally with Iran or any other "rogue" state, despite what he said at the YouTube debate.

On June 18, Rice said (http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTg5NjkxNzkwZWRjNWEzMzY0YTZkYjhlM2FiMzM0YTM=) that President Bush's counterterrorism policies were "stupid."

On July 1, she insisted (http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OGFjNTgxNjgzMmY4ZTA5ZDA4OTA3YTliYjJhZDU0ZTc=) that Obama's pledge to get all combat troops out of Iraq in sixteen months was not a deadline.

On July 21, she said (http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTVhN2YxMTJjM2I4MmZhMDNlZmI4YzAyZWE2NDRmNmI=) Obama "bows to nobody in his understanding of this world."

After Russia invaded Georgia, she declared (http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODBiZDA0N2YwNTBkOGFhMjhmMzYxYWZjOTY0Yjc0MGY=) that the "aggressive," "belligerent" actor in the situation was... John McCain.


Actually, from this list, she seems like a good fit for the United Nations.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OGE5MTgxYmY1MDAwZWE4OWY1MTEzNDRiNTQ2Njc2NzM=

asroc
12-02-2008, 11:19 PM
The Sudan offer wasn't credible.

“We have not found any reliable evidence to support the Sudanese claim.”

http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_statement_5.pdf

Moby
12-03-2008, 12:03 AM
The Sudan offer wasn't credible.



http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_statement_5.pdf
This is Frank you're talking to.

Kinky Jones
12-03-2008, 03:24 AM
Thoughts?

:doh: where is a vomit emoticon when you need one.

hillary is already phoning it in from the video i saw today, and she looks more pissed than at any time during the debates, i'm guessing she will do some sabotoging and leaking so she can run in '16 after obama gets cartered and the reds get back a country on the rebound once again in '12. (seriously people you cant see that hillary is a narcisist of epic proportions who now hates the american people because not enough voted for her?)

napolitano i cant believe, move out of big cities homeland security is gonna be a mess.

gates is the only smart move keeping him on so that the dems can blame him if the pullout goes badly, i think he is gonna do a good job of pulling us out, the most important part of that new security pact is that we hafta be outta the cities in Iraq pretty quick which will make for a pretty easy extracton down the road.


his team pretty much sux on paper, hopefully biden will bitch slap them all into submission like cheney but dont count on it, thay probly just gonna hug it out :D

his NSA has impressive credentials and most likely will become is defense sec once gates leaves, or at least that is what i would do (gates wants to go and i think he knows he is in a pretty tight postion that could end up getting him rummied)

and holy fuck did they throw about a ton of horseshit into ole napy's credentials, secure friggin borders? good schools? my god she made our nat'l guard carry water for our border patrol. where is the other state named arizona located i must be in the wrong one :banghead:

Kinky Jones
12-03-2008, 03:27 AM
This is Frank you're talking to.

maybe he will post his dubya as kissing sheep list, we can cross off like 5 more as miserable failures at this point can't we???

Frankg
12-03-2008, 07:22 AM
The Sudan offer wasn't credible.



http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_statement_5.pdf

Actually it was, they offered Bin Laden in exchange for the US lifting its sanctions against Sudan but the Clinton administration refused.

From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.

Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.

The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening.

As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster.

http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm

Frankg
12-03-2008, 07:23 AM
maybe he will post his dubya as kissing sheep list, we can cross off like 5 more as miserable failures at this point can't we???
What as kissing sheep list are you referring to?