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Moby
11-26-2008, 05:04 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081126/ap_on_re_as/as_india_shooting_9
MUMBAI, India – Teams of heavily armed gunmen stormed luxury hotels, a popular tourist attraction and a crowded train station in at least seven attacks in India's financial capital, killing at least 78 people and wounding at least 200, officials said Thursday.

The gunmen were specifically targeting Britons and Americans, media reports said, and may be holding hostages.

The gunmen also attacked police headquarters in south Mumbai, the area where most of the attacks, which began late Wednesday and continued into Thursday morning, took place.

"We are under fire, there is shooting at the gate," said constable A. Shetti by phone from police headquarters.

Hours after the first attacks, A.N. Roy, a senior police officer, said police continued to battle the gunmen.

"The terrorists have used automatic weapons and in some places grenades have been lobbed, the encounters are still going on and we are trying to overpower them," Roy said.

Johnny Joseph, chief secretary for Maharashtra state, of which Mumbai is the capital, said 78 people had been killed and 200 had been injured.

The motive for the attacks was not immediately clear but Mumbai has frequently been targeted in terror attacks, often blamed on Muslim militants, including a series of blasts in July 2007 that killed 187 people.

Gunmen opened fire on two of the city's best known luxury hotels, the Taj Mahal and the Oberoi. They also attacked the crowded Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus station in southern Mumbai and Leopold's restaurant, a Mumbai landmark.

A British restaurant-goer at the Oberoi told Sky News television that the attackers were singling out Britons and Americans.

Alex Chamberlain said a gunman, a young man of 22 or 23, ushered 30 or 40 people from the restaurant into a stairway and ordered everyone to put up their hands.

"They were talking about British and Americans specifically. There was an Italian guy, who, you know, they said: 'Where are you from?" and he said he's from Italy and they said 'fine' and they left him alone. And I thought: 'Fine, they're going to shoot me if they ask me anything — and thank God they didn't," he said.

Chamberlain said the gunman spoke in Hindi or Urdu.

He managed to slip away from the group as they were forced to walk up the stairs, but said most of the group was still being kept hostage.

Early Thursday morning, several European lawmakers were among those still barricaded inside the Taj, a century-old seaside hotel complex and one of the city's best-known destinations.

"I was in the main lobby and there was all of a sudden a lot of firing outside," said Sajjad Karim, part of a delegation of European lawmakers visiting Mumbai ahead of a forthcoming EU-India summit. He turned to get away "and all of a sudden another gunmen appeared in front of us, carrying machine gun-type weapons. And he just started firing at us ... I just turned and ran in the opposite direction," he told The Associated Press over his mobile phone.

Hours later, he remained holed up in a hotel restaurant, unsure if the incident was over, and whether it was safe to come out.

At the Oberoi, police officer P.I. Patil said shots had been fired inside and the hotel had been cordoned off. He would not give any other details.

The Press Trust of India news agency quoted Mumbai General Railway Police Commissioner A.K. Sharma as saying that several men armed with rifles and grenades were holed up in the train station.

Leopold's restaurant was riddled with bullet holes and there were blood stains on the floor and shoes left by fleeing customers, according to an Associated Press reporter at the scene.

At least 25 people had been brought to the G.T. Hospital near the shootings, said hospital official Yogesh Pandey.

India has been wracked by deadly bomb attacks in recent years, which police blame on Muslim militants intent on destabilizing this largely Hindu country. Since October 2005, nearly 700 people have died in the bombings. And since May a militant group calling itself the Indian Mujahideen had taken credit for a string of blasts that have killed more than 130.

The most recent was in September when a series of explosions struck a park and crowded shopping areas in the capital, New Delhi, killing 21 people and wounding about 100 others.

Mumbai has been hit repeatedly by terror attacks since March 1993, when Muslim underworld figures tied to Pakistani militants allegedly carried out a series of bombings on Mumbai's stock exchange, trains, hotels and gas stations. Authorities say those attacks, which killed 257 people and wounded more than 1,100, were carried out to avenge the deaths of hundreds of Muslims in religious riots which had swept India.

Ten years later, in 2003, 52 people were killed in Mumbai bombings blamed on Muslim militants and in July 2007 a series of seven blasts ripped through railway trains and commuter rail stations. At least 187 died in those attacks.

Relations between Hindus, who make up more than 80 percent of India's population, and Muslims, who make up about 14 percent, have been relatively peaceful since British-ruled India was split into independent India and Pakistan in 1947. But there have been sporadic bouts of violence.

Bill
11-26-2008, 05:19 PM
The "Deccan Mujahideen" they say.

Crazy shit.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SP200405.htm


Deccan Mujahideen claims it behind Mumbai attacks-TV
26 Nov 2008 21:17:28 GMT
Source: Reuters

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NEW DELHI, Nov 27 (Reuters) - An organisation calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen has claimed it was behind attacks in India's financial capital Mumbai that have left at least 80 people dead, television channels reported on Thursday.


The previously unknown or little known group sent an email to news organisations claiming responsibility.


India has suffered a wave of bomb attacks in recent years. Most have been blamed on Islamist militants, although police have also arrested suspected Hindu extremists thought to be behind some of the attacks. (Reporting by Simon Denyer; Editing by Alistair Scrutton)

Bill
11-26-2008, 05:43 PM
Pics, supposedly very recent, still being uploaded to a flickr account, of the attack scenes and aftermath...

http://flickr.com/photos/vinu/page2/

Bill
11-26-2008, 05:55 PM
Wow, the situation room has some wild live video - man thats nuts!

Really fancy major hotels seized, hostages, fires, explosions.

Smurf-Herder
11-26-2008, 10:12 PM
CNN periodically goes live to Indian TV.

10 targets, with firefights with police still going after 8 hours. Hostages in possibly three hotels and two hospitals. They blew up a gas station. Fighting at train terminals, a police station, the main municipal block of the city; and an apparent taxi car-bomb. A couple explosions in different locations this morning (India time). The city is in lockdown and commando units have arrived at the Taj Hotel.

The terrosists had multiple initial targets, then some groups moved on to additional targets. Killing the three top anti-terrorist police officials in the city.

A local expert believes this is an old group using a new name.

Bill
11-26-2008, 10:24 PM
If it turns out to be sponsored and funded by Pak-based groups, woooosh, that will be intense I would think.

So lets hope it's internal. Even then, there could be some nasty reprisals.

This will also be one of the biggest tests the anti-terror inter-nation systems for co-operation has faced. Will the other inerested nations and India work well together?

The Pak/India thing has been the major nuclear threat since the collapse of the USSR, and maybe a bigger threat before then as well.

Smurf-Herder
11-26-2008, 10:40 PM
If it turns out to be sponsored and funded by Pak-based groups, woooosh, that will be intense I would think.

So lets hope it's internal. Even then, there could be some nasty reprisals.

This will also be one of the biggest tests the anti-terror inter-nation systems for co-operation has faced. Will the other inerested nations and India work well together?

The Pak/India thing has been the major nuclear threat since the collapse of the USSR, and maybe a bigger threat before then as well.

These guys pulled this off like a well-coordinated military operation. And I've seen a couple references to front groups that are supported by Pakistani Intelligence over Kashmir.

If this connects to Pakistan, it would be serious.

I notice not much mention of total number of terrorists involved ......... only that some escaped at least one location. And there are possibly 40 foreign hostages at one location.

Moby
11-27-2008, 01:55 AM
The numbers I've heard about wounded are all over the place right now. I just heard 3 different number sets while channel surfing.

I've heard that the terrorists were checking passports and have engaged at least one Jewish center. I didn't catch if it was a synagogue or not but I bet Israel has people on the ground now.

Pakistan involvement would be very bad

Smurf-Herder
11-27-2008, 03:25 PM
The numbers I've heard about wounded are all over the place right now. I just heard 3 different number sets while channel surfing.

I've heard that the terrorists were checking passports and have engaged at least one Jewish center. I didn't catch if it was a synagogue or not but I bet Israel has people on the ground now.

Pakistan involvement would be very bad

They've found a couple speedboats filled with military explosives near the shoreline. The prevailing theory is that at least three speedboats were launched in waves from a Pakistani cargo ship off the coast, and the total number of militants is around 30. Everytime they think an area is cleared, these guys turn up somewhere else to continue fighting.

One theory is these guys (Lashkar-e-Toiba, using a front name in this case - who are affiliated with Al-Qaeda and have received support from Pakistani Intelligence) are trying to inflame tensions between India and Pakistan, to take pressure off Al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Pakistan, which is planning a major offensive in Waziristan.

Some of those captured are starting to talk.

Moby
11-27-2008, 04:55 PM
It's going to be interesting. I don't think that we've seen these types of tactics before so it's very confusing for everyone.

Frankg
11-27-2008, 08:20 PM
It's going to be interesting. I don't think that we've seen these types of tactics before so it's very confusing for everyone.
You're right Sir Moby at least not in this country, and we won't thanks to George W Bush ,President of the United States of America, but on Jan 9 , 2009 all bets are off.

Smurf-Herder
11-27-2008, 10:25 PM
It's going to be interesting. I don't think that we've seen these types of tactics before so it's very confusing for everyone.

I've heard at least twice that this is a game-changer, in terrorism.

Instead of preparing for suicide attacks or remotely detonated bombings, things have shifted to defending against well-coordinated "fidayeen" commando raids.

Smurf-Herder
11-27-2008, 10:27 PM
Pakistani ships seized after Mumbai attacks

The Indian navy has seized two Pakistani merchant ships as authorities try to track down those responsible for the Mumbai attacks.

Authorities believe the Mumbai attackers came ashore in a series of small boats, and all the merchant ships that have passed through Mumbai in the past few days have come under particular scrutiny.

According to Indian news agencies, intelligence sources pinpointed one particular cargo vessel that had stopped there briefly before leaving for Karachi and Pakistan.

By luck, Indian navy and coastguard vessels were engaged in routine exercises off the coast of Gujarat and were immediately dispatched to intercept the vessel.

Both it and another Pakistani freighter have now been boarded by Indian forces, but it is not yet clear if they found anything suspicious on board.

Earlier, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh blamed militant groups based in India's neighbours - usually meaning Pakistan - for the attacks, raising fears of renewed tension between the nuclear-armed rivals.

Three militants who were captured after the attacks have confessed to being members of the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba group, The Hindu newspaper has reported.

Lashkar-e-Taiba, one of the largest Islamist militant groups in South Asia, has denied that it had any role in the attacks.

Citing unidentified police investigators, The Hindu said one of the captives was a resident of Faridkot in Pakistan's Punjab province.

"Based on the interrogation of the suspects, the investigators believe that one or more groups of Lashkar operatives left Karachi in a merchant ship early on Wednesday," the newspaper said.

It said the group came ashore at Mumbai on a small boat and then split up into small teams to attack multiple locations.

Pakistan's ambassador to the United States, Hussain Haqqani, says it is important not to jump to conclusions.

"As far as evidence is concerned, nothing has been shared with us," he said.

"In the past, also there have been occasions when allegations have been levelled on Pakistan only to be proven wrong subsequently.

"So I would wait for evidence to come. The most important thing is that Pakistan has a government right now which feels the pain of India's citizens."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/28/2432350.htm?section=world

Mr, gone
11-28-2008, 02:33 AM
All information thusfar points to domestic terrorism as I have expected from the start. Pissed off local Muslims.

Smurf-Herder
11-28-2008, 07:51 AM
All information thusfar points to domestic terrorism as I have expected from the start. Pissed off local Muslims.

There are reports that at least some of the captured gunmen are foreigners, with IDs. Some from Pakistan and at least one British-born Pakistani.

Mumbai attacks: Gunmen 'could be British-born'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/3532829/Mumbai-attacks-Gunmen-could-be-British-born-Bombay-India.html

Mr, gone
11-29-2008, 12:00 AM
The US and British governments, as well as the vast majority of media sources - will continue to push outside influences being involved as it supports the 'war on terrorism' movement.

Moby
11-29-2008, 01:39 AM
The Indian media is going to first blame Pakistan. That's why I think it's going to take a few days for the information to solidify into something that seems reliable.

All of this seems so strange.

Lots of unexploded weapons
New tactics never seen before
Identification on the terrorists?


Too many strange things to form judgement yet.