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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081126/ap_on_go_ot/terror_warning_7
By EILEEN SULLIVAN and DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writers Eileen Sullivan And Devlin Barrett, Associated Press Writers – 24 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Federal authorities are warning police of a possible terror plot against the New York City subway and train systems during the holiday season, prompting local officials to beef up security at stations. An internal memo obtained by The Associated Press says the FBI has received a "plausible but unsubstantiated" report that al-Qaida terrorists in late September may have discussed attacking the subway system.
A person briefed on the matter, speaking to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the intelligence-gathering work, said the threat may also be directed at the passenger rail lines running through New York, such as Amtrak and the Long Island Rail Road, which are particularly busy with Thanksgiving holiday travelers.
A U.S. counterterror official, also speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to do so publicly, said senior government officials have been briefed because the FBI very recently received credible information about possible attacks over the holiday season, and authorities are particularly concerned about this long holiday weekend.
FBI spokesman Richard Kolko confirmed only that his agency and the Homeland Security Department issued a bulletin Tuesday night to state and local authorities, and the information is being reviewed.
Department of Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said the warning was issued as a routine matter, but added that there may be an increased police presence in New York and other large cities.
The internal bulletin says al-Qaida terrorists "in late September may have discussed targeting transit systems in and around New York City. These discussions reportedly involved the use of suicide bombers or explosives placed on subway/passenger rail systems," according to the document.
"We have no specific details to confirm that this plot has developed beyond aspirational planning, but we are issuing this warning out of concern that such an attack could possibly be conducted during the forthcoming holiday season," according to the warning dated Tuesday.
The Big Apple's tightly packed passenger trains and subway cars have long been a source of concern for cops — and a tempting target for would-be terrorists — but there is often disagreement as to how seriously authorities should take specific intelligence reports.
A Pakistani immigrant was arrested and convicted for a scheme to blow up the subway station at Herald Square in 2004. There was also a planned cyanide attack on the subways by al-Qaida operatives that authorities say was called off in 2002; another aborted al-Qaida plot to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge in 2003; and a plot to bomb underwater train tunnels to flood lower Manhattan, which was broken up in 2006 by several arrests overseas.
Three years ago, authorities weighed reports that bombers might try to use baby strollers to bring explosives into city trains. Many security officials later concluded that was a false alarm.
NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said they have received an unsubstantiated report and as a result have "deployed additional resources in the mass transit system."
While federal agencies regularly issue all sorts of advisory warnings, the language of this one is particularly blunt.
Intelligence and homeland security officials are working with local authorities to try to corroborate the information "and will continue to investigate every possible lead," the memo says.
Rep. Peter King, the top Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, said authorities "have very real specifics as to who it is and where the conversation took place and who conducted it."
"It certainly involves suicide bombing attacks on the mass transit system in and around New York and it's plausible, but there's no evidence yet that it's in the process of being carried out," King said.
Knocke, the DHS spokesman, said the warning was issued "out of an abundance of caution going into this holiday season."
No changes are being made to the nation's threat level, or for transit systems at this time, he said.
"However, transit passengers in larger metropolitan areas like New York may see an increased security presence in the coming days," Knocke said.
The increased personnel could include uniformed and plainclothes "behavior detection" officers, federal air marshals, canine teams, and security inspectors, Knocke said.
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Associated Press Writers Lara Jakes Jordan in Washington and Colleen Long in New York contributed to this report.
Hog Trash
11-26-2008, 05:30 PM
Now don't get me wrong. I'm not condoning terrorism or murder but if terrorist are going to kill people , New York City is the most exceptable US target.
The town is filled with mostly foreigners and liberals. The only other cities that may be as "casualty acceptable" would be Los Angeles or San Francisco.
asroc
11-26-2008, 05:32 PM
Now don't get me wrong. I'm not condoning terrorism or murder but if terrorist are going to kill people , New York City is the most exceptable US target.
The town is filled with mostly foreigners and liberals. The only other cities that may be as "casualty acceptable" would be Los Angeles or San Francisco.
Is this one of those patented clever "pointlessly stir shit up" posts.
It's strange that somebody so patriotic would find the most populated cities in the US to be "exceptable" targets at all.
Was 9/11 more acceptable to you because it didn't happen in Iowa?
Wait, strange isn't the proper word. Oh right, disgusting. That's it. You're basically a disgusting piece of shit.
Hog Trash
11-26-2008, 05:41 PM
Is this one of those patented clever "pointlessly stir shit up" posts.
Hey!.....Wait a minute!.....I think I'm gettin a bite! :happy:
asroc
11-26-2008, 05:45 PM
Bite this, you're on my ignore list.
Hog Trash
11-26-2008, 06:07 PM
Bite this, you're on my ignore list.If asroc doesn't take me off his "Ignore List" right this minute, I'm going to hold my breath till I turn purple and die!
Bill-SM!...Somebody do something!...I'm turning purple here!
HT, nice to see you releasing the bile which is your raison d'etre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raison_d'%C3%AAtre)
Repulsive, but thanks for laying bare the red soul. Very instructive.
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It seems inevitable that sooner or later we will be attacked again. Let's hope we've built the kind of anti-terror investigative and policing infrastructure we need to catch it in the planning, or stop it in the execution.
Lets hope that the new admin can approach this problem in a less wasteful and more efficient way than the Bush administration did.
Simply appointing competent people, rather than purely political appointees like "Hecuka Job Brownie', would be an important step.
Of course we will be attacked sooner or later and it will be a city that provides revenue that is distributed to a place where Hog lives as we all know that these liberal centers pay for the Conservative centers.
If the terrorists feel that America is on the right track they will attack and try to get us to move back to Bush policies.
Hog Trash
11-26-2008, 07:28 PM
HT, nice to see you releasing the bile which is your raison d'etre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raison_d'%C3%AAtre)
Repulsive, but thanks for laying bare the red soul. Very instructive.
Thank you for the "wiki link"....I woulda still been scratchin my head tryin ta figure that one out. :thumbsup:
Of course we will be attacked sooner or later and it will be a city that provides revenue that is distributed to a place where Hog lives as we all know that these liberal centers pay for the Conservative centers.
I'm retired, my stuff is paid for, and all my money is either sewed up in my mattress or buried in the back yard.....I'm cool. :cool:
SeedyROM
11-26-2008, 08:22 PM
Be thankful the Fed ignores requests to close the NSA or to accept the ACLU's dreadful attacks designed to weaken the nation. Be thankful we have the FBI and CIA to watch over the nation. Most terror plots will be stopped before they are executed, freedom rocks!!!
Liberalism and resentment of national security initiatives guarantees we'll see defenses weakened or challeneged in the future. So we must fight the temptation to weaken national security.
asroc
11-26-2008, 08:25 PM
Right, the ACLU is what weakened national security efforts. Not the hopeless bureaucracy of the DHS.
SeedyROM
11-26-2008, 08:43 PM
Right, the ACLU is what weakened national security efforts. Not the hopeless bureaucracy of the DHS.
It is a fact, the ACLU wants to weaken the NSA and end wiretapping. These defense mechanisms produce intelligence that protect our nation. The ACLU wants to subvert the accomplishments. Thanks to Bush, the bureaucracy is in better condition. Communications are far better than they were pre 9/11. Can you provide proof otherwise Asroc?
Mr, gone
11-27-2008, 12:50 AM
I worked in a telephone intercept capacity for 4 years with the feds in the 90's and have intimate knowlege of FISA
The ACLU just wants FISA to operate as it once did. Bush has dismantled it... There was absolutly NO reason it needed to be fucked with from the start.
Law enforcment agencies always had the ability to obtain immediate authorization for surveillance with just a division head's signature.
Then after two weeks of collecting data, the agency would present this to the FISA court asking for a continuence and possible title three if the data warranted.
Bush wanted this check and balance abandoned so he did not have to account for his actions plain and simple. FISA exists in name only now.
Back to the Nixon days!!:disbelief:
Seedy, unless that protective rose colored bubble the goverment maintains around you gets poped. You will only have the capacity to see what they WASH you to see.
Be thankful the Fed ignores requests to close the NSA or to accept the ACLU's dreadful attacks designed to weaken the nation. Be thankful we have the FBI and CIA to watch over the nation. Most terror plots will be stopped before they are executed, freedom rocks!!!
Liberalism and resentment of national security initiatives guarantees we'll see defenses weakened or challeneged in the future. So we must fight the temptation to weaken national security.
Hey Seedy, how you been?
I didn't know that anyone was requesting that we close the NSA. Are you sure about that?
I know that the ACLU wants FISA implemented again but I've never heard about them wanting all wire tapping stopped.
Hog Trash
11-27-2008, 08:36 AM
It is a fact, the ACLU wants to weaken the NSA and end wiretapping. These defense mechanisms produce intelligence that protect our nation. The ACLU wants to subvert the accomplishments. Thanks to Bush, the bureaucracy is in better condition. Communications are far better than they were pre 9/11. Can you provide proof otherwise Asroc?Doesn't it almost seem sometimes like the ACLU's true objective is to destroy America. They are not really concerned about "Civil Liberties". They are very selective about what civil liberty issues they take on. For example, I heard they have never taken a case that involved defending an abuse of someones second amendment rights. They prefer cases that involve defending sexual perversions or that are anti-god. A homosexual being permited to be a Boy Scout Troop leader or removing the 10 commandments from a school or court house. They are not in the least bit interested in cases involving goodness or decency. Does anybody know if they recieve any government funding? It would be a shame to have good honest hard working American's money going to such a sick twisted organization.
Binky
11-27-2008, 10:03 AM
Well, I've always thought that if and when we are attacked again that it'll be in a huge populous area such as those Hog mentioned. If I were a terrorist I'd aim for areas with the most people jammed into it. Makes sense, don't you think?
It's not acceptable by any stretch of the imagination. Only logical. :( Let's pray it doesn't happen again.
Independent Harry
11-27-2008, 01:16 PM
Doesn't it almost seem sometimes like the ACLU's true objective is to destroy America. They are not really concerned about "Civil Liberties". They are very selective about what civil liberty issues they take on. For example, I heard they have never taken a case that involved defending an abuse of someones second amendment rights. They prefer cases that involve defending sexual perversions or that are anti-god. A homosexual being permited to be a Boy Scout Troop leader or removing the 10 commandments from a school or court house. They are not in the least bit interested in cases involving goodness or decency. Does anybody know if they recieve any government funding? It would be a shame to have good honest hard working American's money going to such a sick twisted organization.
I love how anytime someone says a programmed talking point, you get into this circle jerk with them. Stating all high and mightily that the liberals are out to destroy the world. When we have someone here. who understands the capacity in which FISA actually worked and how there was no need to screw with the accountability measures. So you want bigger government in essence standing for Bush's change to the FISA system. Amazing, for someone who claims to be a libertarian. You're an idiot that's programmed.
Independent Harry
11-27-2008, 01:17 PM
Well, I've always thought that if and when we are attacked again that it'll be in a huge populous area such as those Hog mentioned. If I were a terrorist I'd aim for areas with the most people jammed into it. Makes sense, don't you think?
It's not acceptable by any stretch of the imagination. Only logical. :( Let's pray it doesn't happen again.
Really, because Hog thinks New York is acceptable, because its filled with "foreigners" when America is actually a group of foreigners who got together and said we want to live together without boundaries. That's why I think he's a fucking racist, asshole prick.
Hog Trash
11-27-2008, 02:44 PM
I love how anytime someone says a programmed talking point, you get into this circle jerk with them. Stating all high and mightily that the liberals are out to destroy the world. When we have someone here. who understands the capacity in which FISA actually worked and how there was no need to screw with the accountability measures. So you want bigger government in essence standing for Bush's change to the FISA system. Amazing, for someone who claims to be a libertarian. You're an idiot that's programmed.My comment had nothing to do with FISA or Bush...It concerned nothing but the ACLU.
Unlike liberals, I can discuss issues without ever involving Bush and I challenge you to find a post by me showing support for him.
Dumb ass liberals think everyone who disagrees with them is a Bush fan......Idiots.
I wish whoever brain washed me would do the same to everybody else so we could vote these fucking Democrats and Republicans out of power.
Independent Harry
11-27-2008, 03:01 PM
My comment had nothing to do with FISA or Bush...It concerned nothing but the ACLU.
Unlike liberals, I can discuss issues without ever involving Bush and I challenge you to find a post by me showing support for him.
Dumb ass liberals think everyone who disagrees with them is a Bush fan......Idiots.
I wish whoever brain washed me would do the same to everybody else so we could vote these fucking Democrats and Republicans out of power.
I didnt say you were a Bush fan. i said you were against ACLU, even though they do things like attack FISA. everything they do may not fall in line with what you believe fine. But you spend 90% of your time bashing liberals, when that's not the problem. You act like liberals are going to destroy the world and its BS. So what if a gay man wants to be a boyscout troop leader. I know quite a few gay men and I have no qualms with any of them in that capacity. In fact I know one thats a teacher of the 4th grade. And he is loved by his students and peers quite a bit.
Hog Trash
11-27-2008, 04:21 PM
I know quite a few gay men
I don't doubt that one bit.
Hog Trash
11-28-2008, 09:22 AM
It is a fact, the ACLU wants to weaken the NSA and end wiretapping. These defense mechanisms produce intelligence that protect our nation. The ACLU wants to subvert the accomplishments. Thanks to Bush, the bureaucracy is in better condition. Communications are far better than they were pre 9/11. Can you provide proof otherwise Asroc?I understand people's concern about FISA. The intensions of the Act are good but the opportunity and likelyhood of abuse are almost certain. The Government has a track record of abuse of power.
During the Clinton Administration a disproportionately high number of conservatives and conservative organizations strangely fell under the scrutiny of the IRS....Hmmm, wonder why?
Under Reagan Administration the Posse Comitotus restrictions where relaxed to allow for use of the military in the War On Drugs, and years later was misused at the seige of Waco Texas.
The FBI and BATF, also under the Clinton Administration, knowingly lied saying they suspected the Davidians of having a meth lab on the premises in order to bring in military armored vehicles and helicopters.
Knowing that the intentions of the ACLU are usualy anti-America, I question whether their fighting FISA is to protect Americans from possible Government abuse or to aid America's enemies in their war on America.
Independent Harry
11-28-2008, 11:46 AM
I don't doubt that one bit.
Thats the best you got, some homophobic come back. This is why you're sucha retard.
Binky
11-28-2008, 11:53 AM
Really, because Hog thinks New York is acceptable, because its filled with "foreigners" when America is actually a group of foreigners who got together and said we want to live together without boundaries. That's why I think he's a fucking racist, asshole prick.
I don't spend every waking moment worrying about how Hog or others think. It's not for me to change him or them. Reverse rascism is ugly as well. There is plenty of rascism to go around. The world is swimming it it. And in the United States, it has stunted us. It has become the core of America. Step in any direction and there it is.
Hog Trash
11-28-2008, 01:46 PM
Thats the best you got, some homophobic come back. This is why you're sucha retard."homophobic"?!.....That's your comeback?.....All liberals have the same standard politically correct cleeshay comebacks for every situation.
I bet mine at least got a chuckle. :taunt: Your's was the same boring blau blau, as usual. :p Let's face it, you're boring Harry!
SeedyROM
12-01-2008, 06:45 PM
I worked in a telephone intercept capacity for 4 years with the feds in the 90's and have intimate knowlege of FISA
The ACLU just wants FISA to operate as it once did. Bush has dismantled it... There was absolutly NO reason it needed to be fucked with from the start.
Law enforcment agencies always had the ability to obtain immediate authorization for surveillance with just a division head's signature.
Then after two weeks of collecting data, the agency would present this to the FISA court asking for a continuence and possible title three if the data warranted.
Bush wanted this check and balance abandoned so he did not have to account for his actions plain and simple. FISA exists in name only now.
Back to the Nixon days!!:disbelief:
Seedy, unless that protective rose colored bubble the goverment maintains around you gets poped. You will only have the capacity to see what they WASH you to see.
LOL, thanks for the chuckles!!! Seriously do you tink the SCUMBAGS at the ACLU just filed lawsuits after9/11. Those losers file suits as a way to make money.
The ACLU filed lawsuits back in 1994, the ACLU has been out to stop wiretapping regardless of what you think.
http://www.textfiles.com/digest/CPD/v5_038.txt
Another Civil Liberty Group Opposes Wiretap Bill
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) today wrote to Rep. Jack
Brooks, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, "to express the
ACLU's opposition to the FBI Wiretap Access Bill, H.R. 4922." The
organization's position is the latest indication that the legislation
is running into serious trouble in Congress for several reasons,
including strong opposition from civil liberties and privacy
advocates. The bill's proponents had initially hoped to bring it to a
vote on the floors of the House and Senate by mid-September. Instead,
the bill remains in committees of both houses and is the object of a
grassroots campaign to prevent its enactment.
http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/student-papers/fall94-papers/cohen-digital-telephony.html
Avoid terrorism and you will live a life free of wiretaps on your home and cell phones...................NUFF SAID.
SeedyROM
12-01-2008, 06:58 PM
Doesn't it almost seem sometimes like the ACLU's true objective is to destroy America. They are not really concerned about "Civil Liberties". They are very selective about what civil liberty issues they take on. For example, I heard they have never taken a case that involved defending an abuse of someones second amendment rights. They prefer cases that involve defending sexual perversions or that are anti-god. A homosexual being permited to be a Boy Scout Troop leader or removing the 10 commandments from a school or court house. They are not in the least bit interested in cases involving goodness or decency. Does anybody know if they recieve any government funding? It would be a shame to have good honest hard working American's money going to such a sick twisted organization.
The ACLU has fallen off the wagon. Today they only support special causes. Joe the Plumber has gotten no respect from them. Seems to me that his civil liberties were violated. The ACLU had an official opinion when John "the Scarecrow" Kerry was Swiftboated. I don't recall the ACLU ever going super whacko anti-American against gun rights, but they do slither into the issue.
Every lawsuit results in fund raising efforts from the public as well they get taxpayer money to pay for lawsuit costs from guess whom.....???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Attorney%27s_Fees_Award_Act_of_1976
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACLU#Funding
In some cases, the law permits plaintiffs who successfully sue government agencies to collect money damages or other monetary relief. In particular, the Civil Rights Attorney's Fees Award Act of 1976 leaves the government liable in some civil rights cases. Fee awards under this civil rights statute are considered "equitable relief" rather than damages, and government entities are not immune from equitable relief.[33] Under laws such as this, the ACLU and its state chapters sometimes share in monetary judgments against government agencies.[34]
The ACLU has received court awarded fees in numerous church-state cases. The Georgia chapter was awarded $150,000 in fees after suing a county demanding the removal of a Ten Commandments display from its courthouse;[35] a second Ten Commandments case in the State, in a different county, led to a $74,462 judgment.[36] Meanwhile, the State of Tennessee was required to pay $50,000, the State of Alabama $175,000, and the State of Kentucky $121,500, in similar Ten Commandments cases.[37][38] The Public Expression of Religion Act of 2005, introduced by Representative John Hostettler, sought to alter the rules put in place by the Civil Rights Attorney's Fees Award Act of 1976 to prevent monetary judgments in the particular case of violations of church-state separation.[39] Also, groups such as the American Legion have taken stances opposing the ACLU's right to collect fees under such legislation
http://www.aclu.org/crimjustice/gen/35904res20020304.html
The Second Amendment provides: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
ACLU POSITION
Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right. For seven decades, the Supreme Court's 1939 decision in United States v. Miller was widely understood to have endorsed that view.
The Supreme Court has now ruled otherwise. In striking down Washington D.C.'s handgun ban by a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court's 2008 decision in D.C. v. Heller held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, whether or not associated with a state militia.
The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment. We do not, however, take a position on gun control itself. In our view, neither the possession of guns nor the regulation of guns raises a civil liberties issue.
ANALYSIS
Although ACLU policy cites the Supreme Court's decision in U.S. v. Miller as support for our position on the Second Amendment, our policy was never dependent on Miller. Rather, like all ACLU policies, it reflects the ACLU's own understanding of the Constitution and civil liberties.
Heller takes a different approach than the ACLU has advocated. At the same time, it leaves many unresolved questions, including what firearms are protected by the Second Amendment, what regulations (short of an outright ban) may be upheld, and how that determination will be made.
Those questions will, presumably, be answered over time.
SeedyROM
12-01-2008, 07:15 PM
Hey Seedy, how you been?
I didn't know that anyone was requesting that we close the NSA. Are you sure about that?
I know that the ACLU wants FISA implemented again but I've never heard about them wanting all wire tapping stopped.
Hi Sirmoby, I'm good how are you?
Do you really not know? Seriously, it has been discussed to death. The scumbags want to shut down all activities so drug dealers can speak freely and so terrorists can plot thier next attack.
The actual ACLU complaints are linked on this site
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2006/06/12/aclu-vs-nsa-lawsuit-heard-today/
Today is the day for the ACLU’s attack on the NSA terrorist surveillance program in Detroit. The ACLU wants the program completely shut down. The plaintiffs don’t really even have a case sense they have absolutely no evidence that they have been spied on. They are arguing that the mere existence of the program prevents them from talking to clients and being able to do research. The Government is doing its best to get the lawsuit tossed out in order to protect classified information.
I found this exerpt from the ACLU’s press release particularly amusing:
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/spying/25833prs20060612.html
ROdger Right
12-01-2008, 07:54 PM
lol terrorism, such a simple word that has taken such great meaning over the past few years. now im supposed to say i want everyone of those bastards dead but the truth is i only want the muslim ones dead. For their purpose is against my way of life while if we had some American terrorists start blowing shit up like financial building and what ever else i wouldnt mind as much. if u cant talk with them it only makes their resolve that much stronger out of necessity. we kill more of us than terrorists do so who gives a fuck
Mr, gone
12-03-2008, 05:01 AM
Originally posted by SeedyROM
Avoid terrorism and you will live a life free of wiretaps on your home and cell phones...................NUFF SAID.
Seedy, So basically you are asking the american people to bend over and shit away our civil rights as the fearmongering phrase 'War on Terrorism' will NEVER be avoided, just like the 'War on Drugs'. NUFF SAID.:disbelief:
SeedyROM
12-03-2008, 05:14 AM
I understand people's concern about FISA. The intensions of the Act are good but the opportunity and likelyhood of abuse are almost certain. The Government has a track record of abuse of power.
During the Clinton Administration a disproportionately high number of conservatives and conservative organizations strangely fell under the scrutiny of the IRS....Hmmm, wonder why?
Knowing that the intentions of the ACLU are usualy anti-America, I question whether their fighting FISA is to protect Americans from possible Government abuse or to aid America's enemies in their war on America.
The ACLU wants something it is not allowed access too, so they can go eat it! National Security laws prevent the ACLU from spawning a lawsuit into a waste of time any further than they've done thus far. They cry foul and raise money to be used for whatever purposes they desire. Lots of nice cars parked at the ACLU. They help the public some and fleece them too.
I remember people talking about Reps claiming the NSA was used against them, even saw a feature on 60 Minutes. Some claim Reagan used wiretapping too. It wouldn't surpise me who abused power in DC anymore. Everything is classified and it will never be reveled, I can with with that so long as terrorist plots are stopped.
SeedyROM
12-03-2008, 05:19 AM
Seedy, So basically you are asking the american people to bend over and shit away our civil rights as the fearmongering phrase 'War on Terrorism' will NEVER be avoided, just like the 'War on Drugs'. NUFF SAID.:disbelief:
Can you name one instance where your conversations would have been monitored by the NSA? Computers cypher keywords, algorithms and artificial intelligence programs review communications all the time. Only relevant facts get kicked out for review by humans.
Remember you head it from me first, Republicans were against the NSA in the 1990's and they'll bitch and whine soon after Obama steps into power. Obama has taken the right side of the NSA and I stand with him!!!
Mr, gone
12-04-2008, 01:43 AM
Seedy,
Just knowing that FISA [most likely] now has been dismantled, [may] show an enormous amount of intent by our goverment. And Seedy, stating that only key phrases in a certain order will illicit a response - is a poor justification to [possibly] violate peoples rights.
The PNAC [seems] to have been drooling over this desire, and 9/11 [may] have been the meal that has now made then all bloated and full of themeselves. Without checks and balances, and with the advancement of technology. Every person on this planet, has [possibly] lost their most basic human right - That of privacy and of being innocent until proven guilty.
Just crank some pink noise and speak quietly, the post above speaks volumes. And once humans get information turned out by above mentioned machine, they [may have] already aquired a prejudice.
Oh shit, what have I done!! Any body here know where a can find a used non linear junction detector?
I [feel] we may all now be slaves on a government plantation.
P.S. If I cease to post future banter within this forum, they [may have] taken me away for violating a new freedom speech directive.
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